============================================================== Guild: Antares Development Initiative Channel: Associate Quarters / associate-planning Topic: Used for any kind of PrUn planning. New players, ask for advice here! Unless you're planning to get an AGP grant, then โ #agp-operations is better for that. ============================================================== [12-Jan-24 06:30 PM] havanista#0000 I dunno where to put my plans, so as this is named planning i'll explain here. I'm curently governor of a Small Planet called LS-746b, it's a planet exactly half way beetween ANT and BEN so it's practical . It's actually normal grav, temp and such, so cheap to establish. It has no real ressources, but it's compensated by the fact it cost normal mats to establish a base here. Currently it has a Chamber of commerce dedicatel to fuel refinning. But this can be changed , becaus enot so many people there so far. It also has allready a Local market builded, and a very small infracstructure of one safety station and One Infirmary. So if u are interested and you have no company, you could get some share of my company there who get the Taxes, and then futher one develop the HQ there. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ ๐Ÿค” (2) [12-Jan-24 06:31 PM] havanista#0000 I think the best of this planet it's his location Halfway BEN_ANT in the Antares space of course . [12-Jan-24 06:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 Here or #deleted-channel works just fine for plans. [12-Jan-24 06:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 This channel can be seen by just a small fraction more people. [12-Jan-24 07:09 PM] jvaler#0000 that's simply Northern Antares ๐Ÿ˜Œ {Reactions} antares (2) ๐Ÿ’ฏ [12-Jan-24 11:02 PM] havanista#0000 whatever you call it, it's still Antares :), so it goes well with the Antares development Initiatives Plans ๐Ÿ™‚ and this part of the space is very undevelopped ( i mean the southern LS planets ) [24-Jan-24 09:04 PM] schizophoric_38402#0000 Ok. I'm planning out the extent of my first base, aiming for HER production. As this will be my first full base, I would appreciate a look-over before I go spend all my grant money [24-Jan-24 09:04 PM] schizophoric_38402#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a99e2724-caf6-4d9e-a813-9cfea2ec7bd6 [24-Jan-24 09:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 RIGs and FP on Harmonia hurt. [24-Jan-24 09:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd just run full FRMs and import. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Jan-24 09:08 PM] schizophoric_38402#0000 just import the raws hm? I'll look into that, thanks [24-Jan-24 09:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Build towards COGC. [24-Jan-24 09:31 PM] jvaler#0000 RIGs on harmonia aren't too bad compared to something like RIGs on proxion [24-Jan-24 09:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 just about anything is better than RIGs on Prox. It's all about opportunity cost though. Are the RIGs saving you more money than the same amount of area would make you as FRMs. [24-Jan-24 09:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 1 FRM growing HER and buying all inputs from CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1199923915598856253/image.png?ex=6814e97a&is=681397fa&hm=4c9e3a79544923eb448ed7c95e3056045ac023b2384c2996996e99a41f38c4e3& [24-Jan-24 09:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 3 RIGs on Harmonia selling H20 on CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1199924019378540584/image.png?ex=6814e993&is=68139813&hm=85223799a05d99e3bd20b3ce02cf163953050d43fdbf854159cef4f0a26738c5& [24-Jan-24 09:51 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 so you save 1727 on H2O but you could have made 12545 on the same land. So the opportunity cost of the 3 RIGs is over 10k CIS [24-Jan-24 09:58 PM] jvaler#0000 my situation was a bit niche. having the 2 extra FRMs vs 5 RIGs didn't hit any clean breakpoints for being able to burn into C. but the 5 RIGs let me not have to worry about importing water [28-Jan-24 09:11 AM] limp_wristed#0000 bweh, antares seems to be running low on RCO... might have to figure out how to retool my hephaestus base to something else [28-Jan-24 09:13 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 do you need it for you or are you just trying to capitalize on the shortage? cause I could grow some RCO if it's needed [28-Jan-24 09:18 AM] limp_wristed#0000 i need it for inputs my hephaestus base makes ove / pwo / exo. im not really in trouble yet though, i just mean like. mid-term [28-Jan-24 09:23 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just dropped a core module on Harmonia but haven't build anything yet. I'll probably have 10 FRMs there soon though and could definitely make you some RCO [28-Jan-24 09:23 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 maybe even process it if you'd rather use COT [28-Jan-24 09:29 AM] limp_wristed#0000 i think i'll just switch my own production on harmonia to RCO at some point. it's kind of the least profitable thing to produce still is the problem [28-Jan-24 09:31 AM] limp_wristed#0000 maybe i can just shift some of my production to some of the other things you can produce at a bmp to reduce my dependence on cotton [28-Jan-24 09:53 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 PE and MCG are the $$$ [28-Jan-24 09:54 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I don't even make my own PWO/OVE/EXO/etc. PE makes so much money for me that it's more profitable to make PE then just buy all that (though I do make REP) [28-Jan-24 09:56 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That's honestly what I'd recommend. A mix of PE and MCG depending on which is more profitable. Figure out the breaking point for consumables where it's better to make them yourself, and if the price ever goes over that then make them, otherwise buy them with the PE/MCG money ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [28-Jan-24 10:07 AM] havanista#0000 i make tons of money smleting ores, then transforming those metals in alloys, thne or making hulls, selling alloys or reserving that to make cargo later on [28-Jan-24 10:08 AM] havanista#0000 and to make more money, i make my own carbon for the ore smelting [28-Jan-24 10:08 AM] havanista#0000 if not the Carbon itself is twice more expensives to get that the ores [28-Jan-24 10:31 AM] limp_wristed#0000 i added some mcg and lst for now. i might end up not making mcg though bc for imports it's kind of a pain, takes it from a 4 day touch to a 2 day touch pretty much single handedly [01-Feb-24 06:38 AM] schizophoric_38402#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192957192219934841/1202585496102899732 should probably continue here so as not to junk up gas with non-gas ideas [01-Feb-24 06:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Move to a G.A.S channel to not fill G.A.S with non-G.A.S ideas? ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Feb-24 06:42 AM] schizophoric_38402#0000 I meant any replies should go here lol [01-Feb-24 06:43 AM] schizophoric_38402#0000 Oh wait, I see I did that backwards didn't I. I'm off my game [01-Feb-24 06:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Feb-24 09:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 So I figured I should share the development plans that we have been working on in SE-110, in coordination with the two [FCST] folks. We recently settled several planets and added COGCs, ADMs, WARs, and local markets. We added: SE-110a (food processing) SE-110b (agriculture via HYFs) SE-110d (resource extraction for INCs) And of course, SE-110c is Ice Station Alpha, which has been doing great. SE-110b has been around the longest, and it's got a nice population bonus, we can probably add a HYF base every other week, maybe more with some notice. Sidepipe is governing for OOG SE-110a has ~800 open pioneer jobs out of 2100, but it's growing fast. It doesn't have a governor but Tuffy from OOG is going to fill in when his other governor role is up. SE-110d is governed by Komalarn from [FCST]. Got 1280 open jobs and 3292 pioneers. Also growing very fast so those jobs will be filled soon. Harpercz continues to run ISA and it's been doing great on population. I have bases on all 4 planets and it's been great for DW and C production. My HYF base feeds plenty of HCP to the corp so I'm really happy with the project so far {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [07-Feb-24 09:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Really nice growth over the past few weeks and months: http://kortham.net/temp/chrome_2024-02-07_21-41-02.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/chrome_2024-02-07_21-41-02.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kqrfOYSJ0Yk16IO3UWRUSXqyzWVyj2N4RudmRwxLNgQ/http/kortham.net/temp/chrome_2024-02-07_21-41-02.png [07-Feb-24 09:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice!! this is awesome. I've been trying to build up some high-tier consumables infrastructure in KAWA before I build some big shipbuilding bases in Ant1. This actually seems like a great place to do some of that. I've got a ORC on Harmonia already... hmm... [08-Feb-24 08:17 AM] nyanism#0000 Need some expert advice on my expansion toward Harmonia / Phobos https://prunplanner.org/shared/bf3041a7-b108-4d7f-9de8-1f662b36f64f https://prunplanner.org/shared/be047f22-1a95-42d2-b3d4-9c6fcd2bb95b Currently Harmonia has priority cus of the more appropriated COGC [08-Feb-24 08:22 AM] nyanism#0000 the aim was to set up the cheapest base with quick return, that doenst require much shipping and other support as im relatively new, and the budget are somewhat limited [08-Feb-24 08:44 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Harmonia base looks good. Honestly I really wouldn't farm on Phobos, especially if you build on Harmonia. I'd just build 12 FRMs on Harmonia and go from there. *maybe* the FP on Phobos, but those would be better on Norwick. Building whole bases in one industry is the way to go, *especially* if you synergize with the CoGC bonus, but even if you don't the expert bonus still makes it idea to stick to one industry per base, so all FRM on Harmonia, all FP on Phobos would be better than splitting both bases, and the shipping for that wouldn't be too difficult at all {Reactions} โœ… [08-Feb-24 08:48 AM] nyanism#0000 understandable, and thanks for the clarification, i just think providing 2 plans are better in term of comparison, and yes it does explain things a bit more thoroughly with clear idea of what i should do [08-Feb-24 08:53 AM] nyanism#0000 i'll adjust the starting loadout to be pure FRM between 8-12 plots depend on how much i have for em, and the stock for DDTs, dont want to make too many trips too (unless ofc, heres shipping work to be done lol) [08-Feb-24 09:21 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 FRM bases usually aren't too bad for shipping. I have one that I visit once a week, could visit it even less if I was growing something else [08-Feb-24 10:02 AM] wolftomoe#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/29cacd61-f6a8-47f4-8605-dd4c76df2ccb Can someone confirm if the link is working? [08-Feb-24 10:02 AM] wolftomoe#0000 i tried addinng this prod in prun but not sure if its added correctly {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1205181972310261800/image.png?ex=6814ecad&is=68139b2d&hm=e3af5e6a82903085c3689fe9dde42512e8f3e46d19f5d3f525da174765d88427& [08-Feb-24 10:03 AM] wolftomoe#0000 also workforce is calculated wrong for some reasonin prun {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1205182064727556137/image.png?ex=6814ecc3&is=68139b43&hm=6f36bbf5853626290edf535d17d1ce04e3774a0a28e178fa52b87a68f25e486c& [08-Feb-24 10:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Did you build HBBs or HB1s? [08-Feb-24 10:31 AM] wolftomoe#0000 i got two habitat. 200 each [08-Feb-24 12:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oh! yeah, that's on the workforce screen. The first number is how many you have, the second is what you have the capacity for. So you have capacity for another FRM wihtout building another HB1 if you wanted [09-Feb-24 03:56 PM] spekktra_#0000 Hello there, guys, I need help, I'm thinking about Metalurgy, we have main base for that on Deimos, but we need expand, and im not sure, if the Vulcan is good choice, bcs there is another interesting option = What do u thing about - ZV-194c? First 3 planets are rly close each other (even closer than SE-110) and first two are nicely develop for construction. I'm thinking about C like a nice base for supplies on A + B. What whould u do?? (Sorry for Grammer ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‡) [09-Feb-24 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Vulcan would be good for FEO EXT and you could pair with INC for C production for your smelters on Deimos [09-Feb-24 03:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or there is Nascent where you would swap FEO for ALO [09-Feb-24 04:02 PM] spekktra_#0000 We have C farm on SE-110d [09-Feb-24 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok then Vulcan would be FEO and Nascent would be ALO [09-Feb-24 04:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could also look into TIO [09-Feb-24 04:05 PM] spekktra_#0000 Wow, a lot of ppls on Nascent, but it's to far away... ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Feb-24 04:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not that bad tbh I do it, but there are a lot of people who sell AL [09-Feb-24 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With FE you could process it more and get STL which could maybe be profitable [09-Feb-24 04:10 PM] spekktra_#0000 STL.... ouch Steal... I was like, why he is talking about fuel ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ [09-Feb-24 04:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah sorry steel ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Feb-24 04:17 PM] spekktra_#0000 Steel/steal.. omg.... English is crazy ๐Ÿคช [09-Feb-24 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeahโ€ฆ English is a bit much at times [09-Feb-24 04:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also I wouldnโ€™t go for ZV-194c until a bit later. Vulcan is a lot better for FEO [09-Feb-24 04:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vulcan is a good option for metallurgy. [09-Feb-24 04:59 PM] spekktra_#0000 The thins is: I will be need supply 194a and b with AL and FE, and it's not perfect way to do it from Vulcan, my opinion is, is much easier supply it from 194c and bring ALO from Deimos, bcs ALO is rly light. But this planning need develop the 194c for that..... [09-Feb-24 05:00 PM] spekktra_#0000 Or, I can build only PP2 and then I will be need only AL.... to.many possibilites... ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [09-Feb-24 05:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Vulcan and Deimos CoGC have metallurgy programs goingโ€ฆ so you wouldnโ€™t get a boost for your EXT on those planets. [09-Feb-24 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nascent has a resource extraction program in the CoGC [09-Feb-24 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 that would buff the EXT on the planet [09-Feb-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The Metalurgy one would buff SME or other Metalurgy buildings [10-Feb-24 10:29 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Hello! New metallurgist based on Phobos. I'm ready to be guided as to how I can best contribute to the glory of Antares. ๐Ÿซก {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Feb-24 10:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 My first suggestion if you really wanted to do metallurgy.. coliq and start on Deimos, haha. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Feb-24 10:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 It may sound rough to do but this early on you have nothing to lose. [10-Feb-24 10:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 Phobos is a dubious starter at best. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [10-Feb-24 10:34 AM] jvaler#0000 you're only 4 days in, how much better deimos is greatly makes up for that small time loss ^ [10-Feb-24 10:34 AM] Deleted User#0000 And! You'll most likely always be able to grab a Phobos base, Deimos is full and so it'll be more than likely impossible. [10-Feb-24 10:43 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yup agreed on all those [10-Feb-24 11:08 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Got a code for Deimos? Struggling to find it. ๐Ÿซ  Also could you elaborate on the factors that make Deimos superior? [10-Feb-24 11:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 Deimos is ZV-759c, so you can do `PLI ZV-759c` in a new buffer to see it [10-Feb-24 11:11 AM] archielvahr#0000 the most important thing is the COGC (C hamber of Global Commerce) of the planet. Deimos has a metallurgy project, so it gives you a 25% bonus [10-Feb-24 11:12 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Ahh ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป [10-Feb-24 11:12 AM] archielvahr#0000 Phobos is Electronics, which is difficult to get started with [10-Feb-24 11:13 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Wow I donโ€™t realise it was full. Guess I got in just in time lol. [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] archielvahr#0000 Ooh it's over by 58 now. it is very full [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Yeah so about that. If itโ€™s full, what do I do? [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] archielvahr#0000 So, even if it's full, you can start there- then you get what is called a "ghost plot" [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 Thought you started on Deimos. [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah I did, Iโ€™m just saying Iโ€™m lucky I got in before it was full [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] archielvahr#0000 basically it's a mechanic to let new players start anywhere, even if it's full. But you can't make your second, third, etc base on a full planet. [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's not how it works. [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 You can start on a full planet. [10-Feb-24 11:14 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Aww [10-Feb-24 11:15 AM] archielvahr#0000 Prom, for example, is half ghost plots [10-Feb-24 11:15 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Okay gotcha. So how do I โ€œcoliq?โ€ [10-Feb-24 11:16 AM] Deleted User#0000 Open a new buffer and just type in "coliq". [10-Feb-24 11:16 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Ahh I see [10-Feb-24 11:18 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Iโ€™ll get started on that setup. Can I request being added to the grant waiting list? [10-Feb-24 11:19 AM] Deleted User#0000 Sent you the grant, waiting list is pending a revamp at the minute. [10-Feb-24 11:20 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Thank you very much! [10-Feb-24 11:21 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Please do let me know your guidance on investments I should make, or what would be helpful for the initiative. Thus far I was just focusing on getting a production line for Silicon. [10-Feb-24 11:21 AM] Deleted User#0000 Make sure you terminate the cont. [10-Feb-24 11:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 Wait.. question, are you on Deimos now or are you still yet to coliq? [10-Feb-24 11:22 AM] Deleted User#0000 @degeneratesupreme [10-Feb-24 11:24 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's going to need an answer since if you coliq and you aren't on Deimos, that money is gone. [10-Feb-24 11:27 AM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿฅฒ [10-Feb-24 11:31 AM] archielvahr#0000 yes, coliq before taking grant money ๐Ÿ˜† [10-Feb-24 11:31 AM] archielvahr#0000 He is on Phobos now [10-Feb-24 11:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 My financial situation isn't great anymore, the grant money is starting to run dry. [10-Feb-24 11:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 Here's hoping we don't have to resend that. [10-Feb-24 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok I will start making fat stacks ๐Ÿ˜Ž [10-Feb-24 11:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 Haha, don't worry about it. [10-Feb-24 11:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 We'll be fine. [10-Feb-24 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I still want fat stacks tho ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [10-Feb-24 11:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Fair, fair. [10-Feb-24 11:58 AM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Phew, glad I read this. lol Iโ€™ll need to send the money back to you [10-Feb-24 11:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Cont sent. [10-Feb-24 12:00 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Paid [10-Feb-24 12:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Make sure you terminate those conts btw. [10-Feb-24 12:00 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Done. What happens if I don't? [10-Feb-24 12:01 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Anything else that needs to be done before coliq? [10-Feb-24 12:02 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Should I have my ships abort their routes, or will they magically vanish mid-flight? lol [10-Feb-24 12:02 PM] jvaler#0000 they're going to magically vanish once you COLIQ anyways. it's a reset [10-Feb-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why the money australis sent would be lost [10-Feb-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 but you start with 2 starter ships so those don't matter. it's not like you can trade prebuilt ships between players anyways [10-Feb-24 12:06 PM] jvaler#0000 and sending off your starting resources before coliq-ing is against the rules too so... [10-Feb-24 12:32 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 @Deleted User New company code DIS. Ready for the grant, for realzies this time. [10-Feb-24 12:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 Sent. [10-Feb-24 12:33 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Okay! Now back to recommendations on what I do with this mountain of cash. [10-Feb-24 12:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 I got chu fam {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [10-Feb-24 12:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Molp bless. [10-Feb-24 12:37 PM] shagie#0000 But the Chu farmers are in IC space... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [10-Feb-24 12:38 PM] shagie#0000 Chu famers. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1205945811867799732/Screenshot_2024-02-10_at_12.37.51_PM.png?ex=6815110e&is=6813bf8e&hm=688e6a512df12841390c86ad42cedb0ce05eb231a03600edad1a8a8bd1ea95c4& [10-Feb-24 12:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh wow, had no idea [10-Feb-24 12:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's a name brought forward from the prev universe then? [10-Feb-24 12:39 PM] shagie#0000 One of the weird worlds - its fertile... but _not_ 3x green. [10-Feb-24 12:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah that is pretty weird [10-Feb-24 12:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 I guess the fertility is pretty poor... fertile is fertile, but maybe you might as well just do HYFs somewhere instead [10-Feb-24 12:40 PM] shagie#0000 Its part of the IC push to the southwest. [10-Feb-24 12:43 PM] shagie#0000 Normally, when people pull up the FIO planet search and look for fertility, no other planet modifiers are selected - just tripple green because what else would you consider? But Chu is out there. [10-Feb-24 12:43 PM] shagie#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Fertile=true&Rocky=true&Gas=true&LowGrav=true&HighGrav=true&LowPres=true&HighPres=true&LowTemp=true&HighTemp=true Third worst at -15.15% [10-Feb-24 12:44 PM] shagie#0000 Lemuria is another in the SW outward growth. There is an interesting shipping route with Lemuria at one end. [10-Feb-24 12:44 PM] shagie#0000 ... but that's all IC space, not Ant space. [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Can Oxygen be obtained simply by running a Collector on Deimos? [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Rad [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not really worth it though. [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Full smelter would still be better. [10-Feb-24 02:10 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Bummer. So just always buy Oxygen? [10-Feb-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 The most ideal way is always buy everything to turn into AL. [10-Feb-24 02:12 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 the only reason to *not* run all SME is if you can't keep up with shipping, but it's definitely less profitable than just buying all the inputs so there's a cost to that convenience. As a first planet you should be fine though. [10-Feb-24 02:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah Iโ€™d agree with that statement [10-Feb-24 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have 3 Col and 17 SME rn [10-Feb-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 There are also people here who would help you out with shipping here and there, along with us offering ship upgrades too. [10-Feb-24 02:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 But if you have only one base you'd be fine I'd imagine for Deimos. [10-Feb-24 02:14 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 Makes sense. So would it make sense to produce Oxygen and Carbon if I had dedicated bases on planets with CoGC bonuses to those materials? Like a Gases base and an Elements base? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [10-Feb-24 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It dropped my ROI by 5 days by producing my own Oxygen [10-Feb-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Eventually imma axe it tho and full smelter press on Deimos [10-Feb-24 02:17 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 possibly. vertically integrating your empire, but sticking to one industry type per planet, is what most people do. Maximum efficiency from experts and CoGC on each planet. [10-Feb-24 02:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 or if you find that you're able to source your inputs easily enough, the more profitable thing is to move *up*. So if you're smelting AL, build some PP2s on Nike, or something else that uses the AL and turns it into a more profitable product [10-Feb-24 05:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Will finally have 3 EXT and 12 PP2 by tomorrow afternoon, finally maxed out the Nike base, now to max outthe Deimos smelters next. [10-Feb-24 05:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Things are definitely moving faster now with the help of the community here ๐Ÿ˜Ž [10-Feb-24 05:37 PM] kaosaur#0000 Why are there no good planets for Limestone extraction? [10-Feb-24 05:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Nike is good, get about 21 per extractor [10-Feb-24 05:37 PM] kaosaur#0000 i mean nowhere with a cogc for extraction [10-Feb-24 05:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 True. but still 21/extractor is still crazy [10-Feb-24 05:38 PM] kaosaur#0000 yeah [10-Feb-24 05:38 PM] kaosaur#0000 that's probably where my second base will go [10-Feb-24 05:39 PM] kaosaur#0000 and then Antares I b for chems [10-Feb-24 05:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 even 2 for my 7 PP2 is still too much and i make excess. [10-Feb-24 05:39 PM] kaosaur#0000 maybe i'll buy people's excess and make FLX [10-Feb-24 05:39 PM] kaosaur#0000 and other things [10-Feb-24 05:40 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean there's YK-715c with a blank COGC if you feel like going 4 jumps out {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1206021837083910235/image.png?ex=6814af1c&is=68135d9c&hm=7afa6d9c7329a474a78b959d8188e76f105c2748b95fde0b006a6092f3955cd1& [10-Feb-24 05:40 PM] kaosaur#0000 interesting. [10-Feb-24 05:40 PM] kaosaur#0000 tiny pops [10-Feb-24 05:41 PM] kaosaur#0000 i'm not at the "build up planets" point of things yet ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Feb-24 05:41 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 If you build on Nike, i can just give you excess. [10-Feb-24 05:41 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Keeps my storage from overflowing ๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Feb-24 05:41 PM] kaosaur#0000 hah [10-Feb-24 05:42 PM] kaosaur#0000 i'm still figuring it out. it's gonna be some weeks anyway [10-Feb-24 05:42 PM] jvaler#0000 the infrastructure is already kinda there. all you'd need to do is provide for COGC upkeep and maybe some OFF for infrastructure upkeep [10-Feb-24 05:43 PM] jvaler#0000 hell if you decide to i'm happy to provide the MCG, PE, and OFF for free with my heph base. this is the Antares Development Initiative after all {Reactions} antares_initiative [10-Feb-24 05:43 PM] jvaler#0000 already making 2/3 of those things rn [10-Feb-24 05:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 This was going to be the next logical step ***eventually***. [10-Feb-24 05:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 There's plenty of rocks that can be used for pretty much anything. [10-Feb-24 05:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 POPI/CoGC inputs is my primary industry and I'm planning to expand it further. I already make tons of PE/MCG, as well as OFF, SUN, FOD, TUB, REA, SOI, PFE, UTS and soon MHP, HOG [10-Feb-24 06:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I wonder if we should have some ANT specific starter guides. There's lots of tutorial content that's great, but people are perpetually unsure what stuff to make where. And ANT is at a comparative disadvantage because of the huge number of players starting on Phobos. Lots of farmers and manufacturers on Phobos [10-Feb-24 06:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 That'd be a good idea, honestly. [10-Feb-24 06:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 like.. your first 5 buildings or something. Even for players not getting pro for the grants [10-Feb-24 06:09 PM] kaosaur#0000 of even "early base ideas" [10-Feb-24 06:10 PM] jvaler#0000 yes absolutely. we need an anti-phobos campaign [10-Feb-24 06:11 PM] jvaler#0000 so much wasted potential [10-Feb-24 06:11 PM] spekktra_#0000 Phobos electronics?? [10-Feb-24 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 phobos is electronics. which is why it's terrible ๐Ÿ˜พ at least as a starter [10-Feb-24 06:13 PM] spekktra_#0000 wow, sign me in, finally ๐Ÿ˜„ i hate that GoGC setting on Phobos [10-Feb-24 06:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think they're advocating for changing phobos' COGC (though i'd love to do that) just to raise awareness that phobos is a bad starter so that new players make better choices [10-Feb-24 06:15 PM] kaosaur#0000 i don't think players really have enough info to make good choices by the time they have to {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [10-Feb-24 06:15 PM] kaosaur#0000 I consider at least one COLIQ guaranteed [10-Feb-24 06:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 I stand by never coliqing. [10-Feb-24 06:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Deimos was a great first choice. [10-Feb-24 06:16 PM] jvaler#0000 until the new player onboarding is updated i think that's inevitable. you can't even see what COGC a planet has on the selection screen! [10-Feb-24 06:16 PM] kaosaur#0000 yeah well, you didn't do a fuel start on Katoa [10-Feb-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 actually phobos is only ~4% worse fertility than harmonia petition to make phobos agri COGC when {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [10-Feb-24 06:49 PM] archielvahr#0000 Phobos electronics is great, we just need them to change the starting planet list ๐Ÿ˜› [10-Feb-24 06:49 PM] archielvahr#0000 Heph should be in the list [10-Feb-24 06:53 PM] drunkiebrewster#0000 ok guys im gonna save my alo and sell it [10-Feb-24 06:53 PM] drunkiebrewster#0000 if i do it right i could be making 84000 [10-Feb-24 06:53 PM] drunkiebrewster#0000 but its gonna be a 3 month deal :/ [10-Feb-24 06:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 I agree. [10-Feb-24 07:00 PM] drunkiebrewster#0000 i see how to start new bases [10-Feb-24 07:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm always going to be looking to buy ALO for smelting on Deimos [10-Feb-24 09:34 PM] degeneratesupreme#0000 @Deleted User My business associate redja150 GFC is coming aboard, and he'll be going pro and seeking a grant (which I assume is still available given your recent post in the general discord server). [11-Feb-24 04:29 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I have a bunch excess I can give you, I have too much lol. [11-Feb-24 04:29 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Free of charge [11-Feb-24 11:49 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Is the offer still up for 100 ALO ? [11-Feb-24 12:01 PM] tanda#0000 do you need it right now? I have some I could offer at the listed 50/u [11-Feb-24 12:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I still have some supply [11-Feb-24 12:08 PM] tanda#0000 I have about 200 on hand at the moment, let me know if you wind up needing [11-Feb-24 12:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You know what, I just looked at prun planner and found how much ALO I will be guzzling [11-Feb-24 12:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And then I looked at the CX [11-Feb-24 12:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So now I think I'll buy it, thank you very much. Sending contract [11-Feb-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you need ALO on Deimos? [11-Feb-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could sell you some that I have on Deimos [11-Feb-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @histidinedwarf [11-Feb-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help you out and sell some to you at 75/u [11-Feb-24 12:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Does everybody here sell ALO or what [11-Feb-24 12:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll be buying more later [11-Feb-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Feb-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just have tons for my SME [11-Feb-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So if you needed some quick to get going I could help you out temporarily [11-Feb-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I generally just make enough for my own needs, but it's been piling up for a bit [11-Feb-24 12:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i eat all my own ALO output lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1206304757249998929/image.png?ex=68150dda&is=6813bc5a&hm=cad17c380b6eca68895006cf2b21bbb4f13008c93be5943e018ff74c534ad134& [11-Feb-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t produce any so I buy it in mass [11-Feb-24 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 that is some very tight production lines there, jvaler [11-Feb-24 12:25 PM] jvaler#0000 tight in what way? [11-Feb-24 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 no over or under run at all [11-Feb-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah, it's very nice lol [11-Feb-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 7 nascent EXT pretty perfectly feeds 20 deimos SME [11-Feb-24 12:26 PM] jvaler#0000 so the rest of the nascent base can be used for INC [11-Feb-24 12:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd sell that C excess to y'all if i didn't also have a vulcan base to feed lol [11-Feb-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 that's alright, I think I'm looking at getting 2 INC started in the next couple days on Nascent [11-Feb-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 still have to shell out 60k for C right now, though [11-Feb-24 12:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think the contract was sent correctly ? [11-Feb-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 yes sir [11-Feb-24 12:29 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't like that you have to send it to a user and can't use the company code [11-Feb-24 02:17 PM] scorpio089#0000 Also, if some of you are using PRUNplanner for planning and run into issues or have questions: ping me, iโ€˜m the developer & happy to help. {Reactions} โค๏ธ (6) [11-Feb-24 02:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow in the Shadow of Giants we are {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [14-Feb-24 09:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I should have my Deimos SME base fully maxed out tomorrow, so I am thinking of where to expand next. My current idea is going to Hephaestus and making B or L fabs with my aluminum. Before I commit, I am curious, what other industries can I go into that take aluminum as input that you'd recommend ? [14-Feb-24 09:19 PM] spekktra_#0000 Better Nikke for that [14-Feb-24 09:19 PM] spekktra_#0000 I need to ask u, bcs of your nickname, where are u from? ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Feb-24 09:20 PM] spekktra_#0000 Another way is welding plant ๐Ÿ™‚ or Alloys for ships needs a lot AL [14-Feb-24 09:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Irl ? Russia [14-Feb-24 09:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What's odd in my nick [14-Feb-24 09:22 PM] spekktra_#0000 Dvorak, it's pretty common Czech last name ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Feb-24 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 sounds like you need some ALO support. As soon as I can afford WCBs I will be moving my extractors to Nascent [14-Feb-24 09:23 PM] spekktra_#0000 So, u gys trying to tell me, u are using Deimos only for smelting and ALO transposrting from Nascent? [14-Feb-24 09:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The idea came from the keyboard layout because I thought it sounded neat {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Feb-24 09:24 PM] tanda#0000 Heck no, I'm still extracting ALO on Deimos. Logistics overhead is way too high for shipping in from Nascent at this point [14-Feb-24 09:25 PM] spekktra_#0000 Yeah, bcs a i was wondering about Nikke and other two planets in the same system, there is a nice planet C, which can be use like a smelting planet for Supply Nikke and B with AL... [14-Feb-24 09:31 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Hull Welding Plants look alright as well. It's mostly aluminum [14-Feb-24 09:31 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But I can't really use them myself the way I can use fabs [14-Feb-24 09:33 PM] spekktra_#0000 If u are talking about second base, I definitely recommend nikke, u will safe a lot of money with Prefab plant 2 ๐Ÿ™‚ and Nikke has LST [14-Feb-24 09:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Ok, I thought Hephaestus was a good idea because I didn't realise manufacturing COGC wasn't about fabs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [14-Feb-24 09:34 PM] spekktra_#0000 And my corporation is looking for more members, we have cheap consumables for our members ๐Ÿ™‚ and I can help u with SEA on nikke ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Feb-24 09:36 PM] spekktra_#0000 If u are interest, let me know in DM ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Feb-24 09:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh hey there's LST on Nike [14-Feb-24 09:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I assume extracting it is a pretty good deal ? [14-Feb-24 09:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well actually extracting ALO was a bad idea so maybe not [14-Feb-24 09:42 PM] spekktra_#0000 It depends... LST is rly heavy for transport, but u will be need it for PP [14-Feb-24 09:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll try it out in prunplanner [14-Feb-24 09:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I got a plan going and it looks pretty good https://prunplanner.org/shared/08ac63ad-90c0-4b41-8bdd-596970ac8dec [14-Feb-24 09:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 However it's not using 30 area which makes me sad [14-Feb-24 10:00 PM] spekktra_#0000 What about some Storage? [14-Feb-24 10:00 PM] spekktra_#0000 I can't see the planner, not yet registered [14-Feb-24 10:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah actually I haven't added them yet [14-Feb-24 10:01 PM] spekktra_#0000 U can add 2, I'm using 2 on almost all planets [14-Feb-24 10:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Just mining LST makes almost as much [14-Feb-24 10:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If the export mass wasn't 1200t daily [14-Feb-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, pure LST extraction bases basically have to trade to a construction base on the same planet to manage the export volume [14-Feb-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 I was shocked when I was running the numbers for that [14-Feb-24 11:04 PM] literaltrash#0000 Thoughts on a nanofiber Phobos base? https://prunplanner.org/shared/7632c7f7-7550-40c2-99da-a95e57a9c39b [14-Feb-24 11:05 PM] literaltrash#0000 I don't think there's enough market demand to support that [15-Feb-24 05:46 AM] jvaler#0000 prefab plants are construction industry, not manufacturing [15-Feb-24 10:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I know now [15-Feb-24 10:10 AM] jvaler#0000 oh oops missed that message [19-Feb-24 12:06 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 So I am almost ready to build the CM and make a second base. Beforehand, I used my little program to look around the market for what's the most profitable at the moment and I am now torn between making a PP3 base on Nike building rfabs or a BMP base on Hephaestus making SEA and OFF [19-Feb-24 12:07 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I like the Nike plan since it overall should make more and I can use the fabs myself at some point [19-Feb-24 12:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I like the Hephaestus plan because it will be cheaper to build, it's right next to CX, and it wouldn't be making that much less [19-Feb-24 12:10 AM] tanda#0000 how is the volume on your options? [19-Feb-24 12:13 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 The BMP base is pushing it, especially with OFF. The PP3 base is 370 in and 83 out [19-Feb-24 12:13 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/08ac63ad-90c0-4b41-8bdd-596970ac8dec - Nike https://prunplanner.org/shared/406d70f7-0586-47f6-b70b-6476c5de9dda - Hephaestus [19-Feb-24 12:14 AM] tanda#0000 okay, but how is the sales volume on your options? are you going to be able to sell enough to make it pay off in a reasonable time frame? [19-Feb-24 12:17 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 The RBH looks much better in that department. I would be making 2000 - 2500 SEA or 34.28 RBH {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1209020864624992307/2024-02-18_22-15.png?ex=68150c2c&is=6813baac&hm=4b6bd19c77a3edaedd4164031905aab25ba5784f2a6db42be09f47bb2e011d43& [19-Feb-24 12:22 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Why would people supply 35k of SEA when it's being sold at like 100-300/d [22-Feb-24 05:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How does this look for Nike Bfab and Lfab base? [22-Feb-24 05:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/7c36f8f4-4712-4b4e-8ff5-71ae86efad43 [22-Feb-24 05:39 PM] jvaler#0000 the buildings look correct, can't comment on the recipes chosen though [22-Feb-24 05:40 PM] jvaler#0000 you could get a 2nd STO with 5 HBB but i don't think it's really necessary [22-Feb-24 06:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just put all the recipes [22-Feb-24 06:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 @.urpalhal You have anyone making PG for you? [22-Feb-24 06:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 You are using like 100k a day alone on PG. [22-Feb-24 06:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nah I just put all the recipies bc I was curious what they would take thats not what Im going to do [26-Feb-24 04:03 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 finally got my 4th base set up on Harmonia [26-Feb-24 04:03 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 carbon farming here we come [27-Feb-24 11:22 AM] havanista#0000 harmonia is quiet , no local market ads... [29-Feb-24 11:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What do y'all look for in a good material to produce, generally speaking ? How much must be traded daily vs your base's daily production ? How much demand must there be to consider a material ? How many orders should there be ? [29-Feb-24 11:10 PM] tanda#0000 I'm locked into AL production and I guess I go down with this ship [29-Feb-24 11:12 PM] jvaler#0000 good vibes ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ as long as the base prod is < half of weekly traded it seems alright to make... maybe idk [29-Feb-24 11:12 PM] jvaler#0000 quarter is probably better but i don't think i'm following that lol [29-Feb-24 11:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I can't code my program to recognize good vibes, but the 1/2 or 1/4 of weekly is helpful. I thought above 1/7 weekly is hard to sell [29-Feb-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 well i mean adjusted for rate per day. you'd multiply your base's prod by 7 to compare the numbers [29-Feb-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 like i make 200 REP/d and REP.AI1 7d units is 1838 rn [29-Feb-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 so it'd be 1400 REP/wk vs 1838 [29-Feb-24 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 wait that's worse than i thought it was [29-Feb-24 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 that'd explain my liquidity issues lmfao [29-Feb-24 11:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You still selling all that ? [29-Feb-24 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 it is not all selling no [29-Feb-24 11:15 PM] jvaler#0000 starting to pile up, been keeping a close eye on CXOB to fight people for lowest spot though [29-Feb-24 11:16 PM] jvaler#0000 and i shipped some over to BEN to sell lmfao [29-Feb-24 11:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think 1/3 would be a good start as a metric of decent deals [29-Feb-24 11:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What if there are usually 3 buy orders from different companies on any given day, you reckon it's good enough ? What would be your limit ? [29-Feb-24 11:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Do you consider that at all ? [29-Feb-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 not sure what you mean... [29-Feb-24 11:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You `CXOB` a prospective ticker and see that there are 3 companies placing buy orders [29-Feb-24 11:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't pay buy orders much mind, they're kinda immaterial. anyone can put up a super lowball buy order for a bit of cash [29-Feb-24 11:26 PM] jvaler#0000 most people buy from sell orders rather than wait for someone desperate enough to sell to a buy order [29-Feb-24 11:27 PM] jvaler#0000 they can be a nice safety net to sell to if they're around, but i don't consider them consistent or reliable demand [29-Feb-24 11:35 PM] jvaler#0000 @histidinedwarf i'm probably a bad person to get market advice from actually... like 2/3 of my bases are contracted out to co-ops or other people [29-Feb-24 11:46 PM] okamicheems1#0000 What combo of inputs do people use for mass ration production? [03-Mar-24 02:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So I looked into how much of the weekly trade can one base make for each material at AI1 and got this, which confused me. This should be every single material where a dedicated 100% efficiency base would make less than 50% of weekly trade, excluding dead markets, defined as having 0 buy orders. In total, 24 materials {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1213939254405763072/2024-03-03_11-40.png?ex=68147bc8&is=68132a48&hm=5585daba317747220df8e450b0fe7fb20e465aef7a592ea78c5dc1971f8f0da2& [03-Mar-24 02:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If you define a dead market as 0 weekly trade, then it's 33 materials [03-Mar-24 02:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Not sure if I messed up in my program or it's just the way it is [03-Mar-24 02:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There was a previous problem with my profit graph but I fixed it now and it gives the exact same numbers as prunplanner [03-Mar-24 02:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I kinda expected more [03-Mar-24 02:09 PM] jvaler#0000 honestly it doesn't surprise me. the playerbase isn't small by any means, but lots of people aren't at a point where they can make max efficiency 500 area bases(and some just don't want to in favor of sub-optimal self sufficiency) so the people that can/do make a big impact. hephaestus only has ~100 plots used [03-Mar-24 02:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That still seems insane to me... That's such a good planet and I've had my eyes on it for almost a year now. Idk why it's not more full [03-Mar-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr [03-Mar-24 02:13 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Astraeus has ~20 full plots, so 1/5th of the people on Hephaestus are probably also there, I'd guess shipbuilders. So about 80 people in Antares have a single manufacturing base there... Where are people manufacturing there? Or is everyone just getting that stuff on CX? [03-Mar-24 02:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'll be on Hephaestus soon though... still trying to get fabs but I'll be making a bunch of ship parts there soon. [03-Mar-24 02:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Bringing me to a total of 5 permits used for manufacturing... [03-Mar-24 02:15 PM] jvaler#0000 the AA AFAB project uses 3 astraeus bases to leave it's members open to using hephaestus for personal use [03-Mar-24 02:16 PM] jvaler#0000 for KV and NL prod cause WPL is low building count for 500 area to save on HSE [03-Mar-24 02:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oh that's cool [03-Mar-24 02:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This kinda makes me think that most trade happens in-corp with marketshare like this [03-Mar-24 02:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 In Antares specifically I think that's almost certainly true [03-Mar-24 02:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Lots of really big corps doing corp projects that don't really bother with CX [03-Mar-24 02:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 BEN can be the same with a lot of materials. I think MOR and HRT probably have the most active CXs [03-Mar-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 it's unfortunately not really possible to do large scale base min-maxxing using the CX due to it's unreliable supply. that's why these projects minimize touching the CX as much as possible. but this aversion to the CX at large scale just further drives the problem of underutilization of the CX. it's an unfortunate cycle [03-Mar-24 02:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well what my new base should be making is not on the list so I'll see how it goes [03-Mar-24 02:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll look into having the program find profitable bases making more than 1 material to stay under the 50% [03-Mar-24 02:46 PM] jvaler#0000 that's probably best [03-Mar-24 02:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd be struggling way more if i was making 100% REP in my 20 BMP lolol [03-Mar-24 02:56 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh, and I noticed something while coding, I believe prunplanner daily cost in the overview does not include degradation cost, which is something I expected it did since it's mentioned in the cost of goods manufactured [03-Mar-24 03:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 It doesn't afaik. [03-Mar-24 03:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Despite the fact I've seen several people claim it does. [03-Mar-24 03:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 But if you add up the cost of all the materials it perfectly matches the cost per day with no room for degredation. [03-Mar-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i had no idea it didn't wth if it's already a thing in the CoGM why wouldn't it be included... [03-Mar-24 05:25 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 When I messaged them about it they just said they thought it was included [03-Mar-24 05:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll make a request on the PCT server [03-Mar-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i'm writing one up rn lol oops [03-Mar-24 05:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's fine, finish it then [03-Mar-24 05:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 People gonna wake up to all their bases making less money [03-Mar-24 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [04-Mar-24 12:14 AM] okamicheems1#0000 At what point should I repair degraded buildings? [04-Mar-24 12:43 AM] jvaler#0000 it depends, this spreadsheet has a lot of information though https://discord.com/channels/667551433503014924/668299335540408351/1210760393191071834 [04-Mar-24 11:25 AM] okamicheems1#0000 https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Rk-kt4MVKzdvKcF0oQua55kTjofPfGjHb3m4e7gYb_0/https/media.tenor.com/Z6uHH2k0_vEAAAAe/understandable-have-nice-day.png [05-Mar-24 04:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah that question gets complicated, some people have *really* gotten into the specifics of the best time to repair for any building based on what you're making. If that interests you go for it, there's some great tools for it. Most people just repair at 60 or ~80d though. [06-Mar-24 03:22 AM] flor2081#0000 45 or 90 days is best [06-Mar-24 03:22 AM] flor2081#0000 also easiest to calculate, repair costs at 90 days are exactly 50% of the initial building cost [06-Mar-24 03:23 AM] flor2081#0000 but at 90 days your efficiency goes to 80%, so it's best to keep it at 99+% by repairing at 45 days [06-Mar-24 06:39 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 The efficiency drop is super slow for the first ~80d, so the general rule I've heard is to repair at 80d or right before the material tick before 80d (if the most expensive repair material is needs 3 for the full building, you'll need 1 more for repairs at 60d, so repairing at 50d is most efficient.) 45d seems fast and would be wasting a lot of material for certain buildings yeah? [06-Mar-24 08:51 AM] flor2081#0000 depends on what special conditions the planet has (AEF, INS, SEA etc) but in a normal green planet the best is 45d or 90d [06-Mar-24 08:52 AM] flor2081#0000 but yeah in some conditions its best at 60 days [06-Mar-24 08:53 AM] flor2081#0000 I've heard that AEFs have an ideal repair time at 30 days [06-Mar-24 08:54 AM] flor2081#0000 also depends on the building, FP, PP1 and CHP for example are best repaired at 30d instead of 45d [10-Mar-24 07:41 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Looking to start up my SIO base in the next few days so I will be able to provide MCG at internal prices within the next week ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} PogChamp (2) pika [13-Mar-24 04:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 SIO base setup ๐Ÿ˜Ž [13-Mar-24 04:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 300 SIO/day isn't too bad [25-Mar-24 08:37 AM] talryk#0000 Anyone need anything shipped from Antares Station to Deimos in the next couple hours? 500/500 space available [25-Mar-24 07:58 PM] spekktra_#0000 @uncle_leslie69 where are u planning make INS? I'm still thinking about the system where the Nike is, second planet is close and GoGC is construction, and there is a 3rd planet, close, maybe for smelting AL.... I'm still thinking about that system [25-Mar-24 07:58 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Not really looked into it too much tbh, Iโ€™d need to have a look before I decided. [26-Mar-24 04:32 PM] talryk#0000 Got a ship hanging at Harmonia for the time being, if anyone has stuff to move. [26-Mar-24 04:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel bad I just sent a ship from ANT to Nikeโ€ฆ {Reactions} aerysWut [26-Mar-24 04:35 PM] talryk#0000 You feel bad? [26-Mar-24 04:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Shouldโ€™ve said something before I sent it off [26-Mar-24 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s been there for a day or so [26-Mar-24 04:36 PM] talryk#0000 Oh, meh. No biggie [26-Mar-24 04:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [26-Mar-24 04:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 I have some stuff that needs to go from Harmonia to ANT eventually - does 15k sound good? It'd be about 90t / 90m^3 [26-Mar-24 04:39 PM] talryk#0000 Sounds great! [26-Mar-24 04:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 cool, I'll send everything over - will do a 7 day due date if you want to wait for other stuff to fill your ship [26-Mar-24 04:40 PM] talryk#0000 Fine by me, I fly super slow if Iโ€™m hauling mostly sailboat fuel. :aerysLove: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-24 04:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sent both CONTs, thanks! [26-Mar-24 04:45 PM] talryk#0000 Totally missed the second one. Gotchu covered, boss. ๐Ÿซก [26-Mar-24 04:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 All good - I probably should have said 90t total ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Mar-24 05:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I've had a thought, Should i just switch my Deimos into a full SME base and just extract and smelt my FE i get from phobos and just turn Nike into all PP1's and just buy ALO and smelt it when needed? [27-Mar-24 05:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and just make my BDE with PE with the PP1's too? [27-Mar-24 05:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 might keep some PP2's for making Lfabs [27-Mar-24 05:29 PM] talryk#0000 From what Iโ€™ve been able to tell, good plan but do PP2s to use AL on bfabs instead? [27-Mar-24 05:30 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 well i was just going to do PP1's because for the sake of an hour and a bit difference is it really worth all the KOM, REP, EXO etc i would need for PP2's?? [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 this is my current Deimos setup [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1222674325124153416/image.png?ex=68149ef3&is=68134d73&hm=34a9d46defc2235d3d681bd05580cc0393d2401b6f4045754ec2c6a1049b26c0& [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] talryk#0000 Oh, fair pointโ€ฆ I hadnโ€™t considered the settlers versus pioneers [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 735/750 [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 idk, just some food for thought, wanted to see what everyone else thought tbh [27-Mar-24 05:31 PM] talryk#0000 I definitely think you could swap EXTs for SMEs and make out with more money, though [27-Mar-24 05:33 PM] talryk#0000 Other than that, though, I was definitely considering much the same [27-Mar-24 05:34 PM] spekktra_#0000 I must say, PP2 are worthit, yes, u need more types of consumables, but transporting AL vs FE to Nikke is the point, I prefer PP2 [27-Mar-24 05:45 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 only thing is, i would then need to find an ALO planet that i could extract from. [27-Mar-24 05:45 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Which is do-able, and i could transport that fairly easily when i upgrade my ships [27-Mar-24 05:46 PM] talryk#0000 Might be ultimately more profitable to import, rather than produce. [27-Mar-24 05:47 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so just buy a load of ALO? see i thought about that but then i thought that would eat into my profit quite alot [27-Mar-24 05:47 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 just kind of still trying to get myself solid and settled. [27-Mar-24 05:47 PM] spekktra_#0000 Nascent, that's my goal for AL, and maybe I will smelt it on zv-194c ๐Ÿ˜… still not sure [27-Mar-24 05:48 PM] talryk#0000 Depends! Every now and then some batches of ore go up on the Deimos LM, and the prices are pretty reasonable [27-Mar-24 05:49 PM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™m still pretty small-scale, so the last batch of 300 I picked up has offset my own production of ore by a lot [27-Mar-24 05:52 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i suppose you're right [27-Mar-24 05:52 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 when i build my H extract planet, i'll be moving all my INC off of Harmonia and moving them there and putting more farms on Harmonia. [27-Mar-24 05:53 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 because i didn't realise that incinerators are resource extract COGC [27-Mar-24 07:50 PM] jvaler#0000 FE you get from phobosโ‰๏ธ no... don't tell me... ๐Ÿ˜ฐ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Mar-24 07:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I get both SIO and FEO [27-Mar-24 07:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I have too much SIO so I switched it to FEO for a while [27-Mar-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [27-Mar-24 07:52 PM] spekktra_#0000 Photos = multipurpose planet, im using it for chemical staff bcs is cheap ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Mar-24 07:53 PM] jvaler#0000 all things considered ALO is pretty cheap. especially on the deimos LM [27-Mar-24 07:53 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah thatโ€™s true, just need to wait on adverts lol [27-Mar-24 07:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yktEt-qUlIuYOnmz_uR4O4J3e_8nsfWab8hmUfvMY8E/https/media.tenor.com/MYZgsN2TDJAAAAAe/this-is.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Mar-24 07:53 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Lmao [27-Mar-24 07:54 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Everything burning for me collecting the wrong resource lol [27-Mar-24 07:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ’š [27-Mar-24 07:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 no judgement, lol, I'm just joking. but for real, if you extracted SIO, then sold it on FX, then used all that money to buy FEO, you'd probably have more FEO than extracting from Phobos... [27-Mar-24 07:54 PM] jvaler#0000 like i've looked at my nascent base and it honestly doesn't save me that much money. CoGM is 20/u plus ~25/u for LM ads shipping it nascent -> ANT -> deimos {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1222710489868533861/image.png?ex=6814c0a1&is=68136f21&hm=040247fde70c2ba333cc3ad667b0ee2aebaa2c6743596e994390c98bd92d5581& [27-Mar-24 07:55 PM] spekktra_#0000 What is base time for mining on Nascent 1 extraxtor = ?? [27-Mar-24 07:56 PM] jvaler#0000 when ALO on CX is 100/u and on deimos LM is 75/u [27-Mar-24 07:57 PM] jvaler#0000 base time + CoGC? ~10hrs add experts and it's ~8hrs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1222711109891522630/image.png?ex=6814c135&is=68136fb5&hm=d860dbdc6a76c1e068184ea294f80471ffba2ef428c8c53f99c157333c865a2e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1222711110214353006/image.png?ex=6814c135&is=68136fb5&hm=512681579d4040325eaf8eab3599fce1c8239ab63693e5baac2ccb2811b8aca1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [27-Mar-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 I'm running full smelters on Deimos and have fully switched over to buying ALO on Local Market. I'm only running incinerators on Nascent. I honestly don't think it's worth the time to extract ALO on Nascent and haul it to Deimos. At least not until I get upgraded ships [27-Mar-24 08:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I mine most of the ALO on Deimos. The difference between full SME and mixed is minimal. The peace of mind and the easier logistics back and forth are worth [27-Mar-24 08:26 PM] tanda#0000 I agree, that's why I'm just buying on the LM for now. I did find that it's actually a loss to mine ALO on Deimos most of the time, which is why I made the switch [27-Mar-24 08:42 PM] spekktra_#0000 I think it's worth it when the Nascent will be supply at least 3 players at all. [28-Mar-24 12:11 AM] talryk#0000 Got 300/350 cargo space heading from Harmonia to ANT in a hour. Anyone need anything moved? [29-Mar-24 08:56 AM] coolfeather2#0000 whats a good place/way to make C [29-Mar-24 09:00 AM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™ve set up my second base on Harmonia with a farm setup and an incinerator. I doubt itโ€™s the most effective, but it works and is close. All I import are OVE, COF and PWO, since RAT and DW are produced on site {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [29-Mar-24 10:26 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Best growing HCP on Harmonia and you can start incinerating there too, but ideally best incinerating it on a resource extraction planet I.e ZV-759g [29-Mar-24 10:26 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Because incinerators come under resource extraction COGC [29-Mar-24 10:33 AM] coolfeather2#0000 ta [29-Mar-24 02:15 PM] spekktra_#0000 Negative, se110d is planet for C [29-Mar-24 02:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 Any planet with resource extraction works fine. [29-Mar-24 03:31 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If you're making AL on Deimos then a common setup is using half of a base on Nascent to extract ALO, and the other half to incinerate GRN from Harmonia ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ pretty efficient [29-Mar-24 03:35 PM] coolfeather2#0000 I'm thinking of getting a base on Harmonia first to do agriculture + carbon and get another base later for extraction GOGC {Reactions} bcaYaya3 (2) [29-Mar-24 03:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Get on Harmonia quick, lol [29-Mar-24 03:37 PM] spekktra_#0000 Why is nobody moving into se-110, we need more ppl there, perfect for agriculture, C and DW/RAT [29-Mar-24 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [29-Mar-24 03:38 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Any red bars? [29-Mar-24 03:38 PM] spekktra_#0000 many ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Mar-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Mar-24 03:40 PM] spekktra_#0000 good point, the system is rly expensive, but its worth it, ๐Ÿ™‚ 4 planets, u just need import NS, 1 ship is enough for that system, and u will get much more..... [29-Mar-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฟ HSE RIGs is what comes up in my nightmares {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223371970171895829/image.png?ex=681485ae&is=6813342e&hm=74d64fe9cf54c3146b35536cc86d7392f824b02e486f4af4ef41bafa248b3bdc& [29-Mar-24 03:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Oof, yeah that hurts. I can do SEA for days, no problem, but all these HSE planets I've been building on are killing me... KAWA will have plenty of HSE soon but until then I'm very hesitant to settle more [29-Mar-24 04:29 PM] coolfeather2#0000 Maybe if I can get a loan to place the base down :pleading: [29-Mar-24 04:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Ship upgrade underway ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223385172267761725/image.png?ex=681491fa&is=6813407a&hm=856962f6fe0a19f207bcba54dbb9dede8cdf8cab3e59c00f23ebc46090478ef7& [29-Mar-24 05:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 send me buy contracts at ANT for CM materials all at 1 AIC, KAWA needs some AL in Antares [29-Mar-24 05:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll fund CMs for free for anyone within Antares. [29-Mar-24 05:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Getting a base before the plots is important. [29-Mar-24 05:47 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Same here, i will provide the MCG for CMs free of charge, gotta help the homies out ๐Ÿค [29-Mar-24 05:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Are we trying to fill up Harmonia ? [29-Mar-24 05:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I just think we don't want people missing out on the opportunity to build bases because they didn't have the mats to build and get the slot before they were all gone. [29-Mar-24 05:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I am starting a new base soon so might as well join in [29-Mar-24 05:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 where you thinking? [29-Mar-24 05:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I thought I was going to do POL at Electronica but it can wait [29-Mar-24 05:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I like HER so I just build a CM on Harmonia for later use while I build other bases first. You can always just put down the CM to claim it... just make sure you actually use it and aren't taking up the space for too long with a 'ghost plot' [29-Mar-24 05:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've already had mine too long ๐Ÿ™ƒ built the CM, then we ran out of fabs and I changed plans cause real life got busy. I'll probably do that soon though. If I can find someone from KAWA to build a FP base I'll just grow RAT inputs [29-Mar-24 05:55 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I'm just trying to upgrade my ships rn so i can just haul an asstonne of C to deimos and AL to Nike and just let my Bfab pile up, saves me doing shipments everyday before work lol. [29-Mar-24 05:56 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Because ideally i want to be able to provide all (well most anyway) building mats/fabs [29-Mar-24 05:56 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 that's gonna be my business [29-Mar-24 05:57 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nice! [29-Mar-24 05:57 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And if i can help provide back to ADI then i'm happy to contribute! [29-Mar-24 05:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I might just make DW lol. I don't really understand the different farming outputs and based on THE GRAPH https://discordapp.com/channels/350171287785701388/816625580610027520/1222370126049841293 it might be about the same or better even with the COGC [29-Mar-24 05:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Or wine. Wine in small quantities is pretty good [29-Mar-24 06:01 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah definitely in very small quantities for WIN, but that's really profitable. you're right though DW is good. Might as well just build on a food planet for that though if you're going all in on it [29-Mar-24 06:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Looking back at the traded volume, there was 22 WIN sold this entire week so maybe not [29-Mar-24 06:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And 0 grapes [29-Mar-24 06:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 A3B is good for l and rfabs. [29-Mar-24 06:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 A3B? idk what that is lol. [29-Mar-24 06:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 unless i'm being stupid [29-Mar-24 06:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I keep trying different orientations and the most profitable ones I can find have 0 agriculture lmao [29-Mar-24 06:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Making your own material for FER is area better spent on making more FER [29-Mar-24 06:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares 3 B... [29-Mar-24 06:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Oh, yeah i've just found it on PRUN [29-Mar-24 06:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hmm, intresting [29-Mar-24 06:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ideally i'll need 2 planets for construction 1 50/50 PP1 & PP2 and another 50/50 PP3 & PP4 [29-Mar-24 06:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 You make bfabs on nike already, do you not? [29-Mar-24 06:20 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah [29-Mar-24 06:21 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but i've been thinking, so atm i think i've got 19 PP2's making BSE and BBH but i thought about reducing that and getting some PP1's too to make BTA and BDE with PE. [29-Mar-24 06:21 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 instead of making it with PG rn since it's cheaper with PE [29-Mar-24 06:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think I will pass on Harmonia for now and go to Electronica anyways. I am not really about consumables and I'd like to focus more on construction/red planet materials [29-Mar-24 10:10 PM] coolfeather2#0000 just work up, sent, thank you :bless: [30-Mar-24 03:27 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am beginning to save up now for my H base, wish me luck saving up for HSE and AEF ๐Ÿ’€ [30-Mar-24 03:29 PM] tanda#0000 best of luck sir! {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [30-Mar-24 03:33 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i've also decided i'm going to become a full SME base on Deimos [30-Mar-24 03:36 PM] tanda#0000 nice! [30-Mar-24 03:36 PM] tanda#0000 I'm actually running so far behind on shipping I'm actually having to use shipping LM contracts at this point [30-Mar-24 03:37 PM] tanda#0000 it's a good pain [30-Mar-24 03:54 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 what do you mean behind on shipping? [30-Mar-24 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 there's a lot of things on a lot of planets waiting to be shipped to other planets [30-Mar-24 06:26 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Ahh thatโ€™s fair, Iโ€™ve had a bunch of AL and FE sat on Deimos waiting to go to Nike whilst my ship was upgrading so I know your pain ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Mar-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 My shipping schedule for my carbon chain is: "remember bases exist, send all the ships, forget planets exist, repeat" [30-Mar-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm currently in the 'send all the ships' phase {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Mar-24 07:07 PM] tanda#0000 I was setting up a construction base on Nike and forgot to maintain my carbon chain and my smelting base. Nothing has run out yet, but I have literally hauled 8 ships of aluminum away from Deimos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [30-Mar-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 @thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald okay so this is what a max WPL base would look like. you get a free PPF making PSL (thing needed for base core modules) because it fits very neatly into the 500 area you get from 1 permit. now KV seems to be quite profitable but it's TCL input is quite costly. however supply doesn't seem to be an issue like i had thought, the CX is actually decently stocked {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223822532197613598/image.png?ex=6814d7cd&is=6813864d&hm=47a02d9153798a3947760520cf7d8b829da02b6696964b7dba6e59696c61fdcc& [30-Mar-24 09:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Damn what a profit. [30-Mar-24 09:35 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I grinded out contracts so Lowstrife would pay for a portion of this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223822950659264604/image.png?ex=6814d830&is=681386b0&hm=256da95b08f85988c9c351960d6ac2048377d9c214a50d9e971ef3dc6db43eec& [30-Mar-24 09:36 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I was looking at building something similar to yours on Australis's planet, but apparently you need a BILLION martian dollars in insulation [30-Mar-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 that you do lmao [30-Mar-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 triple green planets are very valuable for avoiding that [30-Mar-24 09:40 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm just worried you won't be able to keep up production if you build all that. that IND consumption/d is more than has been traded on the CX in weeks. what exists on the CXOB right now would only last ~2 weeks and i doubt it would get refilled in time because of what i said earlier about people only making it to consume themselves {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223824171788800040/image.png?ex=6814d954&is=681387d4&hm=6db2e56d957fe7f52aa29b79ac5ab47b642e98da3fb7631ebefbf849ffb7bb6b& [30-Mar-24 09:42 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 The fallback is purchasing from another exchange - in about a week that base *should* generate enough to buy the spooky inputs in bulk [30-Mar-24 09:43 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 although if someone buys all that up I could definitely lose everything MTP style [30-Mar-24 09:43 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 but that would be unlucky [30-Mar-24 09:43 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 business is about RISK [30-Mar-24 09:44 PM] jvaler#0000 *you'd* be buying it all up lmao [30-Mar-24 09:44 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 oh god [30-Mar-24 09:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean, if you're dead set on HMS there is a way to dampen your IND demand... [30-Mar-24 09:45 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I'm all in on HMS [30-Mar-24 09:45 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 Lowstrife will take everything from me if I falter [30-Mar-24 09:46 PM] jvaler#0000 alright, you could do a mixed base of WPL and CLF to supply your own NL and reduce the number of CLF you have while still using the most of your 500 base area [30-Mar-24 09:46 PM] jvaler#0000 drafting that up rn [30-Mar-24 09:46 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223825802341253301/image.png?ex=6814dad8&is=68138958&hm=66e4e2997e81337d7d2db4c5a5fe4eff87aca4308e919b946eb8083028a6d5cc& [30-Mar-24 09:46 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 this place has a good amount [30-Mar-24 09:47 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 OKAY SO THAT [30-Mar-24 09:47 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 thats what Im having trouble with rn [30-Mar-24 09:47 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 understanding which portions are worth integrating [30-Mar-24 09:47 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i saw that on CXM. might be a decent option. costs 1k less per unit too! [30-Mar-24 09:47 PM] jvaler#0000 well you're trying to maximize the # of CLF while being net neutral (or greater) on NL [30-Mar-24 09:48 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I definitely dont want to make everything myself, I personally think that slows everything down [30-Mar-24 09:48 PM] jvaler#0000 it can slow things down, but here that's kind of the goal right? cause you don't make the IND yourself and the CX supply is a scare [30-Mar-24 09:48 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 but figuring out which inputs are valuable enough to produce myself is annoying [30-Mar-24 09:48 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 Possibly, if a month goes by and IND dries up [30-Mar-24 09:49 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I can just destroy my CLFs and do something else [30-Mar-24 09:49 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 this game is very forgiving with how much it reimburses you [30-Mar-24 09:51 PM] jvaler#0000 halves your IND consumption while seeming to almost maintain the same profit levels as your plan {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223826904965054536/image.png?ex=6814dbdf&is=68138a5f&hm=41dc9a6a84703f22fd3bb461591f968fb1ffb55b7a1ee450344e04a90e311351& [30-Mar-24 09:51 PM] jvaler#0000 and is slightly net positive on NL [30-Mar-24 09:51 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 now thats a good base plan [30-Mar-24 09:52 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 I'm actually going to do that one [30-Mar-24 09:52 PM] jvaler#0000 we have a winner ๐Ÿ™Œ [30-Mar-24 09:52 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 thanks for the help [30-Mar-24 09:52 PM] jvaler#0000 np! [30-Mar-24 09:53 PM] jvaler#0000 though how much did you get from lowstrife? this whole base is over the 750k grant and that doesn't even count inputs [30-Mar-24 09:53 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 750k [30-Mar-24 09:53 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 this is what I have now [30-Mar-24 09:53 PM] jvaler#0000 okay okay that's not too bad [30-Mar-24 09:54 PM] thisaccountissponsoredbymcdonald#0000 4x HMS', 2 HB2s, 2 days HMS inputs, 8 days pop needs, max fuel [30-Mar-24 09:54 PM] jvaler#0000 fyi i've got a free :MCG: offer if you'd like to save your wallet a bit and add some cushioning to your consumables/inputs https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1221869524802863184 [30-Mar-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 says it could save 82k ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1223827897681186918/image.png?ex=6814dccc&is=68138b4c&hm=1a5ffbf53f3feeb870b0b57809228041e5e664b9e3560efdaf70f0177fccb8e7& [31-Mar-24 04:02 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 So, I'm thinking of making a base on Harmonia. Planning to make the base into a farm base. making rigs alongside said farms until I get a base at Ice Station Alpha [31-Mar-24 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 I did it for a while, but it might be easier for you to just buy the water [31-Mar-24 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 I don't miss my rigs [31-Mar-24 04:41 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 when I establish a base on Harmonia or instead of making a base on Ice Station Alpha? [31-Mar-24 04:43 PM] tanda#0000 just for harmonia as a whole. I'm thinking along the same lines as you, but establishing a base at Ice Station Alpha would be to supply both a Harmonia farm base and a Life HYF base [31-Mar-24 04:45 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 ah, ok [01-Apr-24 02:02 PM] talryk#0000 Is the :H2O: production that bad on Harmonia? [01-Apr-24 02:03 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 It's not that good from the look at the bar. There are plenty of planers that have better :H2O: production [01-Apr-24 02:05 PM] talryk#0000 Nothing particularly close. Maybe Iโ€™m just still in the small-scale thinking stages. Itโ€™s hard to grasp whatโ€™s a lot or a little when I havenโ€™t dipped my feet in yet [01-Apr-24 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 I think running rigs/col/ext on a planet while you're getting your supply lines under control is a valid idea [01-Apr-24 02:06 PM] tanda#0000 doesn't scale great, though [01-Apr-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ice Station Alpha is a good option. [01-Apr-24 02:09 PM] tanda#0000 once my water needs increase greatly, I plan on setting up a base there. But the amount of water that place can provide is just unnecssary for carbon farming on Harmonia [01-Apr-24 02:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe so, but it could be useful for doing a larger scale consumable production. [01-Apr-24 02:10 PM] talryk#0000 Iโ€™m still spreading out, canโ€™t expand too far too quickly. [01-Apr-24 02:10 PM] tanda#0000 I am feeling a little stretched thin with just my starter ships and the 4 bases I'm currently running, so I think that's wise [01-Apr-24 02:17 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 Ooo. Can I increase the ask to include setting up a base on Ice Station Alpha? [01-Apr-24 02:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i have too much H20 on Harmonia [01-Apr-24 02:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 eek [01-Apr-24 02:43 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 If i have a 750 permit base but i reduce the used space down to below 500, can i get that permit back? [01-Apr-24 02:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes. [01-Apr-24 02:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1224444049789026354/image.png?ex=681477a2&is=68132622&hm=99998ef5916f50b050ff79019f38dd9f73acaf3a3ecb785a5052f9ec62dc85e9& [01-Apr-24 02:44 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 based, DEimos is going back to a 500. [01-Apr-24 02:44 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I'm finally making sense when you were saying to not do more than 1 permit per base [02-Apr-24 12:57 PM] talryk#0000 Got an empty ship heading out of Phobos. Anyone need freight moved? [02-Apr-24 02:24 PM] pinecone_magg#0000 So is it max 5 jumps from the Deimos system for the grant? I am looking for a good ALO planet, and I guess I won't get a base on Deimos [02-Apr-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Try nascent [02-Apr-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The CoCG program is resource collection too [02-Apr-24 02:27 PM] pinecone_magg#0000 Sounds good! [02-Apr-24 02:27 PM] pinecone_magg#0000 Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Apr-24 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ofc [03-Apr-24 04:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i just discovered i bought 243 AEF and i only needed 184 [03-Apr-24 04:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ [03-Apr-24 04:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ you'll need it for repairs eventually [03-Apr-24 04:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 true [03-Apr-24 04:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 never thought about that [03-Apr-24 04:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hopefully at that point i can produce some myself [03-Apr-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can make it for you bby ๐Ÿ˜˜ [05-Apr-24 05:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Almost got enought for my H base just need: - `74 BDE` - `35 BTA` - `4 LDE` - `4 LSE` - `4 LTA` - `12 PSL` โœ… - `8 TRU` โœ… [06-Apr-24 07:51 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Should hopefully have my next base up by the end of the weekend [06-Apr-24 09:40 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Harmonia base is back down to 500 permit and now 3 RIG and 12 FRM making HCP, making better use of the CoGC. Moving INC to ZV-759g with my H collectors ๐Ÿ˜Ž [06-Apr-24 09:40 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am learning [06-Apr-24 09:58 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Deimos is now full smelting with 17 SME and 3 COL [06-Apr-24 09:58 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 The Irish Republican Space Army is making big changes [06-Apr-24 09:59 AM] coolfeather2#0000 Where are you sourcing ALO? Another base or trades? [06-Apr-24 10:00 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i have 1300 in stock rn but i'm going to be buying from LM until i get my nascent base setup in the next week or so [06-Apr-24 10:00 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 because now i have 3 spare permits since i reduced a bunch of my bases back down to 500 [06-Apr-24 12:27 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Got all the parts for my INC/H base, work starts tomorrow ๐Ÿ˜Ž [06-Apr-24 12:27 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Nascent next ๐Ÿ‘€ [06-Apr-24 02:18 PM] tanda#0000 heck yeah [06-Apr-24 02:36 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it'll produce about 630 ALO per day so i'll have a bunch spare to go around [06-Apr-24 03:59 PM] tanda#0000 sounds like you're going to need help transporting all that! [06-Apr-24 04:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I got a chonky ship, plus I can upgrade my second one soon [06-Apr-24 04:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Well, all I need is the WCB and an FSE. Got everything else [07-Apr-24 06:43 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Who was is that mentioned wanting to pull the price of PSL down? Vipo and I are about to do what we can. They make more than enough to fully supply the demand at BEN and ANT, but once the price starts dropping it'll get taken to MOR, which has *way* higher demand. We'll see what we can do though [07-Apr-24 06:48 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 me lol {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [07-Apr-24 06:48 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i don't have my PG base yet though so it'll be a couple of weeks [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That's fine, how much will you make per day? [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Just about to get my H base setup soon. [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 let me check [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 about 2300 on a 500 permit [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/549bd5b0-2d9b-4b92-8fbc-92b59e7a175f [07-Apr-24 06:49 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If you're selling at ANT I can build up a bigger supply and go sell directly to MOR instead of ANT [07-Apr-24 06:50 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 For PSL I mean [07-Apr-24 06:50 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'll probably make my PG base a 1000 permit though eventually [07-Apr-24 06:50 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 PG is nice [07-Apr-24 06:50 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 oh, uhm let me check that [07-Apr-24 06:51 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 16 PSL/day [07-Apr-24 06:53 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice. That's most of the average daily volume at ANT I think so that should pull it down pretty good (and make you some good money) [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Vipo is making almost 50/d, which isn't even half of what MOR moves... ๐Ÿ™ƒ [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 because the plan is: -Build H base -Build PG/chem base -Build Manufacturing Base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and then i'll be set [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 the PG base is the most expensive and i want to cry [07-Apr-24 06:54 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 INS and HSE gonna kill me [07-Apr-24 06:55 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Oof... yeah those hurt for sure. Wish I could offer some cheaper but kawa is buying those on CX right now... maybe for future repairs we'll be able to help {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [08-Apr-24 12:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Nascent lineup ain't looking too expensive [08-Apr-24 12:50 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1226952418848149604/image.png?ex=681505fc&is=6813b47c&hm=5b541b07331b8d2bc60e390d1a18f87f803d9fef38fbe7f4b0ff743ca1c9305c& [08-Apr-24 01:52 PM] coolfeather2#0000 looks free to me {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [08-Apr-24 02:54 PM] talryk#0000 https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-free-real-estate-eyebrow-gif-13024071 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-free-real-estate-eyebrow-gif-13024071 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EYRCbBXeSXUityze-lPC7HXetzXs9TPd633YUhqyKs8/https/media.tenor.com/sP4SQzZ4I1AAAAAe/minecraft-free-real-estate.png [09-Apr-24 11:38 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 The BBH and BSE boarding begins again ๐Ÿ‘€ Nascent here I come [09-Apr-24 11:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Norwick is my next colonization attempt. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [09-Apr-24 11:39 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 What you planning on Norwich like? [09-Apr-24 11:40 AM] Deleted User#0000 28 FPs making RAT. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ (2) [09-Apr-24 11:40 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Norwick** All my Homies hate Norwich [09-Apr-24 11:40 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 You are the aunt Bessie of Antares [09-Apr-24 02:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 So i've priced up my PG base and it's going to cost me 1'136'400 AIC roughly to buy the parts i don't produce myself to build it [09-Apr-24 02:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ [09-Apr-24 02:13 PM] talryk#0000 Half the price of mine. :3 [09-Apr-24 02:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 how many permits is yours? [09-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 1/3rd the price of my EPO base. [09-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 LFABs are a bitch. [09-Apr-24 02:14 PM] talryk#0000 Just 1, but I donโ€™t produce any prefabs and it was all Aerostat [09-Apr-24 02:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it's eyewatering, i feel like i've achieved alot by saving up 480k myself, nevermind 1.1m [09-Apr-24 02:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yikes, AEF is a bitch [09-Apr-24 02:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 mine is mainly HSE and INS [09-Apr-24 02:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 So i've kinda rough guessed it and it'll take me give or take 8-9 days to save that up [09-Apr-24 02:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 got a queue for some BSE and then just gonna pump out BBH to sell and dump them on the market at once [09-Apr-24 02:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 Check conts. [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 bruh [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 you have already given me a grant already bro [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 plus you got your own expansion to do [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] talryk#0000 Is not a grant, is investment. :3 [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've already paid for my 3 bases and still have a couple million left over. [09-Apr-24 02:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 Feel free to take it if you want. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [09-Apr-24 02:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Liquid is no good if it just sits there. [09-Apr-24 02:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 true homie right here [09-Apr-24 02:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'll take it thank you, i'll look at buying the parts i need and hopefully begin chem production within the week and start saving up again to pay debt back [09-Apr-24 02:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 You have debt? [09-Apr-24 02:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 no i mean like, pay back to you [09-Apr-24 02:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh, no don't worry about it. [09-Apr-24 02:41 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm not in debt with any antares loansharks dw [09-Apr-24 02:41 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 lol [10-Apr-24 02:41 AM] pinecone_magg#0000 What do you think about this Lfab plan for Aceland? It is meant to be pretty self sufficient, hence why I place it there. https://prunplanner.org/shared/d1179edb-9d41-42b2-945e-22ee0d2b246e Edit: Nascent alternative is better https://prunplanner.org/shared/121ed1d6-d6d6-4de8-8c65-5fdf36f96257 [10-Apr-24 10:22 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't really see a reason to try being self-sufficient with AL for Lfabs, unless you are trying to get low import/export weight or for a bit of general convenience [10-Apr-24 10:25 AM] flor2081#0000 I really dislike that but you're right [10-Apr-24 10:26 AM] jvaler#0000 SME on nascent? PP2 on nascent?? no 5th expert?? i cry ๐Ÿ˜ญ [10-Apr-24 10:26 AM] flor2081#0000 I'd still want to set up my own AL production just to make sure you've got a steady supply, but the CX is looking pretty good for that [10-Apr-24 10:27 AM] jvaler#0000 i mean why rep antares AL if we don't buy antares AL [10-Apr-24 10:27 AM] jvaler#0000 puts it in antares hands instead of those dirty bentenites [10-Apr-24 10:28 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Might as well go to Nike if you haven't made a base there yet [10-Apr-24 10:29 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah lmfao of all your antares options SME/PP2 on nascent is probably one of the worst {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227641633231863859/image.png?ex=6814e4dd&is=6813935d&hm=d7585144e490e505c50f9ded39c7f1f061e65e9fe07d6587f2e2b345f5b9e617& [10-Apr-24 10:30 AM] jvaler#0000 my CX settings say the nascent plan is ~44k/d so it'd *work* but it's like harmonia farming levels of meh. a minmaxxed nike PP2 base makes ~80k/d [10-Apr-24 10:31 AM] jvaler#0000 and you could cut out some of the PP2 for LST EXT [10-Apr-24 10:31 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Placing a few PP3 could also make it better [10-Apr-24 10:31 AM] Deleted User#0000 sme... pp2.... no. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227642160690499634/image.png?ex=6814e55b&is=681393db&hm=1f2c726eaf3d8e3ef11fc67733311cc29c4952a26dfe18d567de7080960b680d& [10-Apr-24 10:32 AM] flor2081#0000 is there even another metallurgy planet in ant? [10-Apr-24 10:32 AM] Deleted User#0000 Vulcan. [10-Apr-24 10:32 AM] flor2081#0000 oh right [10-Apr-24 10:33 AM] Deleted User#0000 WU-070a. [10-Apr-24 10:33 AM] flor2081#0000 AHA i found the AA [10-Apr-24 10:34 AM] jvaler#0000 deimos, vulcan, SE-648a, WU-70a, and KI-439b dunno what the apparent appeal of KI-439b is... [10-Apr-24 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i guess it has LIO and HAL in the same spot for LI [10-Apr-24 10:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 Turn Phobos metallurgy. [10-Apr-24 10:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 Protest the system. [10-Apr-24 10:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Antares will have it's AL, whether we burn the universe to get it or not. [10-Apr-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 i wanna say real but that'd mislead so many new players. before i knew what was going on i wanted to extract SIO on phobos for GL ๐Ÿ˜ญ [10-Apr-24 10:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 Starter being electronics is wild. [10-Apr-24 10:37 AM] jvaler#0000 ik... [10-Apr-24 10:38 AM] jvaler#0000 tbh it should be agri. it's like only 6% less fertile than harmonia iirc [10-Apr-24 10:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Just think, my entire existence on this game came down to either Phobos or Deimos. [10-Apr-24 10:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 It was a 50/50 chance. [10-Apr-24 10:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 ADI may have never even been a thing. [10-Apr-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm convinced it's an EDC/IDC conspiracy. they must be getting rich off it [10-Apr-24 10:39 AM] jvaler#0000 faction bonus *and* triple green planet [10-Apr-24 10:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Be the change you want to see. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227644700849344522/image.png?ex=6814e7b9&is=68139639&hm=80f27dd2b08f6938bcb481fdf81f7d77395d50526d1c123865867b90846cb3e8& [10-Apr-24 10:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Phobos International to the rescue. [10-Apr-24 10:42 AM] Deleted User#0000 I forsee great things. [10-Apr-24 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 god the ingame resource bars are so misleading lmfao. it's got some of the best LIO and HAL deposits in the game. makes sense now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227644922987810889/image.png?ex=6814e7ee&is=6813966e&hm=c7ac6564f2242ddd22ae1006129f6ad3f0b0428365c3bee7cbf041a636b970b5& [10-Apr-24 10:43 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227645029116416020/image.png?ex=6814e807&is=68139687&hm=29fc511a771827362df388203ce491dd63484d40490baf37977dbd352f094145& [10-Apr-24 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 be the change you want to see... i understand dropping 3 permits for 40 BMPs for 4000 PIO worth of CoGC voting power ๐Ÿซก [10-Apr-24 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 @Deleted User HEY don't think i don't see you... ๐Ÿ˜‘ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227646293854126162/image.png?ex=6814e935&is=681397b5&hm=409c7448a225a8c6ac034a8ec2aae1e92c95900228b25e739b61f92aa545a507& [10-Apr-24 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 oh wait it's for CAAP... grr [10-Apr-24 10:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 Truth be told I wanted to see my influence and was lazy. [10-Apr-24 10:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 I pretty much never vote on COGCs. [10-Apr-24 10:49 AM] Deleted User#0000 That's far too many button clicks for me to keep track of. [10-Apr-24 10:50 AM] Deleted User#0000 Needs a reoccur button. [10-Apr-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 you're not a very good model antares citizen ๐Ÿ˜พ [10-Apr-24 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 i collect my "i voted" pin every week ๐Ÿ˜Œ [10-Apr-24 10:51 AM] Deleted User#0000 Oh no, how will I ever repay my transgressions against Antares... [10-Apr-24 10:51 AM] Deleted User#0000 Who wants 2m? [10-Apr-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 LMAO [10-Apr-24 10:57 AM] Deleted User#0000 You cost one poor Antares citizen 3 permits on Heph with BMPs pumping out pins. [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 Unless you walk around like this, I'm saying that's very un-Antares like. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227648808599425104/image.png?ex=6814eb8c&is=68139a0c&hm=b3925bfc9eddf85bcbe2ed49d3f6f78d2ece786d4c5dd57aa83900151204caf1& [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 No.. no that's the wrong image. [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227648847367376896/jktmn2bzcur21-632909350.png?ex=6814eb95&is=68139a15&hm=f22c2044ecee7c77e6735bab8238ecf0783208466252de443f45c89299bf3237& [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 isn't that a job for the SFK FS on vulcan [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 wait no [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah the pins would have SFK in their recipe or something [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] Deleted User#0000 Don't you dare bring logic into my meme. [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 it;'d be BMPs ur right [10-Apr-24 10:58 AM] jvaler#0000 LOL [10-Apr-24 10:59 AM] jvaler#0000 where'd you get this image of me.., plz delete [10-Apr-24 10:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 First you declare I am not a True Antares Patriot, and now you mock my memes about mocking you and your democratic practice. [10-Apr-24 10:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 This will not stand. [10-Apr-24 11:00 AM] bojangles_1#0000 The Bureau of Proper Resource Allocation has dispatched officers to audit your facilities for potential waste. Please standby and have a positive day citizen. [10-Apr-24 11:00 AM] jvaler#0000 no nonononononononono you misunderstand [10-Apr-24 11:00 AM] jvaler#0000 i uh [10-Apr-24 11:00 AM] jvaler#0000 uhhh [10-Apr-24 11:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 literally him. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227649585682317442/image.png?ex=6814ec45&is=68139ac5&hm=a51378f27432fc959f661596bc6e4d131c9f32e30a37acb7cdc5434bbfe1c1d6& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1227649586215125012/image.png?ex=6814ec45&is=68139ac5&hm=c6b2da654f6de8884f8c1d27324914c518a1a331cbb47c9aac0112019e9e3a4c& [10-Apr-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 REAL [10-Apr-24 11:01 AM] jvaler#0000 post that to UFO [10-Apr-24 11:05 AM] bojangles_1#0000 Your lack of a timely response has been added to your ever growing file. This with the photographic evidence provided by Plus Citizen Australis has given The Ministry of Justice and Lawful Conduct the needed data to predict your guilt to within 99%. Please standby as a Mobile Justice Unit is dispatched to your location for summary legal proceedings. Have a positive day citizen. [10-Apr-24 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [10-Apr-24 11:07 AM] Deleted User#0000 Thoughtcrime malquoted ungood unperson. [10-Apr-24 11:17 AM] pinecone_magg#0000 That's exactly what I was aiming for. I don't want to haul heavy ore or metals around [10-Apr-24 11:27 AM] jvaler#0000 ALO isn't heavy, it's actually best to carry around in an LCB. but that's actually more expensive to buy than a WCB lol [10-Apr-24 11:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 LCB is the 2000 all round one yeah? [10-Apr-24 12:06 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [10-Apr-24 12:07 PM] jvaler#0000 it's more expensive because ~~most~~ a lot of(i forgor engine and reactor are expensive af) the expense in a ship upgrade comes from the increased volume requiring more emitters and crew quarters [10-Apr-24 12:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ships are expensive [10-Apr-24 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah :/ [10-Apr-24 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I upgraded one! Just need to do the other now [10-Apr-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 but their avaliability is way better now apparently. imagine moving FEO early universe in a starter [10-Apr-24 01:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 โ˜ ๏ธ [10-Apr-24 01:21 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I have a starter and then a large hauler 3000/1000 {Reactions} โค๏ธ [10-Apr-24 01:22 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 The starter is good for quickly running around consumables [10-Apr-24 01:22 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 My little Ferrari emergency ship ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [10-Apr-24 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Apr-24 11:35 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 piss off ๐Ÿ˜ญ [14-Apr-24 11:35 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229107884214718476/image.png?ex=6814f46b&is=6813a2eb&hm=8ed3871f146806f72b89fb53998827f21f5396ca883bf44c14bf339c4e85daa9& [14-Apr-24 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh oh [14-Apr-24 11:36 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i've just build my chem base only for the swine to vote for chemistry [14-Apr-24 11:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Can you vote it away? [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i only have like 380ish influence, food industries is sitting at 760 [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229108190176870490/image.png?ex=6814f4b4&is=6813a334&hm=eef4a9a08f2c85ab518247a8da6037f0fa74e1b8c68fccfa397dbbcdfbb59059& [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 like bruh, why would you want to do food here [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ๐Ÿคท [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 grr [14-Apr-24 11:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think I can sort it. [14-Apr-24 11:38 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 such a weird planet, it's like the time some dude tried doing chem on Deimos [14-Apr-24 11:43 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 base is built now anyway, just doing a run for consumables now ๐Ÿ˜Ž [14-Apr-24 11:43 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've sent a message to the gov who's in OOG. [14-Apr-24 11:44 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 you're a champion, thank you ๐Ÿซก [14-Apr-24 11:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 Try asking within the planet chat as well. [14-Apr-24 11:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'd assume most people there probably use chem if that's the main cogc. [14-Apr-24 11:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah i put a message [14-Apr-24 11:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah chem makes sense, food industries doesn't lol [14-Apr-24 11:51 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @igfloz So now that you can see the channels, what were you thinking in terms of building materials for Harmonia? [14-Apr-24 11:55 AM] igfloz#0000 ...So, Checking in Prun Planner, the way I need to go is +1 FRM, then +1 HB1, then +1 RIG, then +1 FRM again. Uhm, Let me check on mat requirements for that (I assume you need to know what I need, rather than dump a friendly mess of materials ?) [14-Apr-24 11:55 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 like here's mine for reference {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229112932139532470/image.png?ex=6814f91e&is=6813a79e&hm=062ed2e1012d9f9534a26d0c19fd4f6e66770e198bd25166b37453343c398538& [14-Apr-24 11:56 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah just show me the materials required in the construction tab [14-Apr-24 11:56 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and i'll see what we're working with [14-Apr-24 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229113466053333073/image.png?ex=6814f99e&is=6813a81e&hm=f856f5d14a6cf42ebc48e61afa296f1f85af424dd0c4a688ed7c8110d4212439& [14-Apr-24 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229113556402700328/image.png?ex=6814f9b3&is=6813a833&hm=d65829393e685368dd2945a91881f79aa9044e7164b968e70f7df386c84083c0& [14-Apr-24 11:58 AM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229113654067335238/image.png?ex=6814f9ca&is=6813a84a&hm=a532c6f2487e48b14116b9dc3dea1bb36ee7d8203937784edb40cdf19cc0a18c& [14-Apr-24 11:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 I think someone needs to be introduced to prunplanner. [14-Apr-24 11:59 AM] igfloz#0000 I do use prunplanner, I admit, I aint no expert tho [14-Apr-24 12:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 You can use prunplanner to show a full construction shopping list. [14-Apr-24 12:00 PM] igfloz#0000 whut ? I haven't found that [14-Apr-24 12:01 PM] igfloz#0000 ...I haven't even been able to figure out how to get FIO working [14-Apr-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229114257237606440/image.png?ex=6814fa5a&is=6813a8da&hm=b062fdfb66d39f09baf32cb5d0aea9e865d6615fc0178c759ec782c2f11dc175& [14-Apr-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229114277374328862/image.png?ex=6814fa5f&is=6813a8df&hm=b5dbac76c6eb1a20e04fa195665f6f6a09db69fcde86c09601e17e3a2ce85a29& [14-Apr-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 You click on construction and from there it allows you to see a full list. [14-Apr-24 12:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 It'll be easier than posting each building individually. [14-Apr-24 12:02 PM] igfloz#0000 omg, I now see the construction button staring at me [14-Apr-24 12:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 @uncle_leslie69 problem solved. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229114581872410816/image.png?ex=6814faa8&is=6813a928&hm=1f42ea2532df75368167b2dae4dc00abc98925dc8fc208c3e319a7053fc877bc& [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Australis for god? [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't know what that guy was thinking. [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 No place for it here though. [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] igfloz#0000 OK, this wh I have been trying to get up to (5 FRM) - I currently have 3 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229115896866279535/image.png?ex=6814fbe1&is=6813aa61&hm=c92f210ae295b27713d58c576f652b603308eb4a6709c2b7973515d18f821fe8& [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 exactly [14-Apr-24 12:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 gotta get my influence game up [14-Apr-24 12:08 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 right that's not too bad, do you already have a base on Harmonia? [14-Apr-24 12:09 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 or is this you planning to build it new? [14-Apr-24 12:09 PM] igfloz#0000 Yes, curently have 3 farms, 2 rigs and 1 FP (trying to keep RAT cost down) [14-Apr-24 12:10 PM] tanda#0000 real quick turn around on that [14-Apr-24 12:11 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so you can get rid of the CM, because you already have that built [14-Apr-24 12:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so you could se tyou FRMS to like plan 5, but put the building bit to 2 since you already have 3 built [14-Apr-24 12:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 if that makes sense [14-Apr-24 12:12 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh, I get it... [14-Apr-24 12:12 PM] igfloz#0000 This is what I need {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229117152884293734/image.png?ex=6814fd0d&is=6813ab8d&hm=c807f46f147a1b53386a3e98ede093199c7b1f55044ff86cef98d4d66d4673d9& [14-Apr-24 12:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 the plan is what you want to have in total, the building bit is for how many you still need to build [14-Apr-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so i can give you BBH, BSE and MCG easy [14-Apr-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 just the BTA and BDE is the difficult part [14-Apr-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 well, not difficult but i just don't produce them atm [14-Apr-24 12:14 PM] igfloz#0000 ok, any help is awesome. I have kinda been waiting around in the daily contracts for rewards that add to the building stuff [14-Apr-24 12:16 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 plan out how you would fill up the whole 500 space and then work down from there, usually how i use planner [14-Apr-24 12:16 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 then i can kinda set myself an end goal [14-Apr-24 12:17 PM] igfloz#0000 ok, erm, so should I use all of my permits to expand fully ? or just go to the starter 500 ? [14-Apr-24 12:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i would just do the 500 [14-Apr-24 12:17 PM] igfloz#0000 rgr [14-Apr-24 12:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 Permits become resource number 1 in the late game. {Reactions} โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Apr-24 12:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 There are times multipermits are useful, but they aren't towards the start. [14-Apr-24 12:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i've recently just switched most bases back to 500 and it's a million times better use of the permits [14-Apr-24 12:18 PM] igfloz#0000 ok, I'll go and play in planner and report back ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Apr-24 12:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 Easier on logi with pop consumables too. {Reactions} โœ… [14-Apr-24 12:19 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 only base i use more than 3 permits is Nike and i'm looking at reducing them too [14-Apr-24 12:19 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 agreed [14-Apr-24 12:23 PM] tanda#0000 it looks like I should drop a construction base over on aceland and just do nothing but BDE [14-Apr-24 12:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe not just BDE. [14-Apr-24 12:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 Keep a steady supply but not enough to drive down demand fully. [14-Apr-24 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 in order to do that, I would need to find a source for FE on aceland [14-Apr-24 12:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 FE is rough in general. [14-Apr-24 12:26 PM] tanda#0000 since making BDE from PG is more than a bit of a loss [14-Apr-24 12:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 FE in ANT is even rougher. [14-Apr-24 12:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vulcan maybe. [14-Apr-24 12:32 PM] igfloz#0000 OK, looks like I maybe drop the FP and go for 6 RIG and 11 FRM total. That takes me to 495/500 used space (but I do have 70 remaining in HB1 for Pioneers) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229121998689407017/image.png?ex=68150190&is=6813b010&hm=e2bd6609e4936e3b516c961ba42d8e607da21c3ee64c6750d928e809302a7a39& [14-Apr-24 12:32 PM] igfloz#0000 .....but that will at least give me some volume in sell products [14-Apr-24 12:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Personally I'd ditch the rigs. [14-Apr-24 12:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Or at least some of them. [14-Apr-24 12:37 PM] tanda#0000 This is my harmonia base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229123409913319494/Screenshot_2024-04-14_103721.png?ex=681502e0&is=6813b160&hm=5fdd9e6381ad057d0c9f3b2c739c02ac5d6742418720532cf5c4eca779d1d158& [14-Apr-24 12:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229123595989680390/image.png?ex=6815030d&is=6813b18d&hm=021db198e135af4dc1627b71174ed9b17855dd9c84b6a651c3584d89130c4cb1& [14-Apr-24 12:48 PM] igfloz#0000 ok, I know I am being a total noob here. Why not use the readily available H2O for the FRM ? isn't it more cost effective ? [14-Apr-24 12:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Not usually, no. [14-Apr-24 12:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 It makes logistics easier, sure, but it comes a point where another farm outweighs the cost of H2O, especially from a source like Harmonia. [14-Apr-24 12:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 People who need massive amounts typically use a resource extraction cogc for the 25% bonus and do it on either Ice Station Alpha or Boucher. [14-Apr-24 12:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 A full harmonia base doesn't use a whole lot of water though. [14-Apr-24 12:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Unlike my life base which uses about 1.2k a day. [14-Apr-24 12:50 PM] igfloz#0000 oic, thats my noob kicking in. Not knowing about the other (better) planets to produce on [14-Apr-24 12:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 There are upsides and downsides to it. [14-Apr-24 12:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 For example on Deimos there's a setup that nets you around 30/40k a day profit and pretty much negates your ALO and O logistical needs but has a lower profit than a full smelter base. [14-Apr-24 12:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you can stomach the logistics, which at your stage you definitely should be able to with two starters and one base, you'll be fine. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Apr-24 12:56 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 don't worry about the BBH, BSE and MCG, i can cover that in a day or 2 if you focus on the BDE and BTA [14-Apr-24 12:57 PM] igfloz#0000 Yup, after discussions here, I am certainly gonna do some demo and re-plan. Thanks for your help (and everyone else that has chipped in) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 @uncle_leslie69 bit more of an update. [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229129072538292334/image.png?ex=68150827&is=6813b6a7&hm=c6a789822d2eeefa00ed9cbaaf81478e6bb5791578c4aa66f35caa3eb79fed35& [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 I wouldn't worry about the COGC for the forseeable future. [14-Apr-24 01:00 PM] tanda#0000 oh lawd [14-Apr-24 01:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rust-emotes-rust-play-rust-rust-pvp-video-game-gif-15703741 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rust-emotes-rust-play-rust-rust-pvp-video-game-gif-15703741 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LXxGoCs4DPninoJTPJgnFTXUTtZD3DrqLit3P8l7UVM/https/media.tenor.com/AB2J2FByULQAAAAe/rust-emotes-rust.png [14-Apr-24 01:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hero [14-Apr-24 01:15 PM] tanda#0000 I'm strongly considering taking out a loan for ship upgrades. Is this a good idea? [14-Apr-24 01:22 PM] igfloz#0000 OK, I think I'm gonna follow @tanda and mimic their Harmonia setup. But I think I can look after The BDE and BTA need ( a little patience is all I need, lol) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229134739974127758/image.png?ex=68150d6e&is=6813bbee&hm=9697803e4e241ab6124f3ec3f0aa09036bbb326cba12e4b2883c089cea83a785& [14-Apr-24 01:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 we'll have you sorted before the end of the week, i'll throw in some money and help get your BDE and BTA for you. [14-Apr-24 01:29 PM] igfloz#0000 ...so awesome ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [14-Apr-24 01:30 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 probably a day or 2 realistically, and i'll ship it to harmonia too for you {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] tanda#0000 I have some BBH/BSE built up on Nike that I can kick in if you can do that transport [14-Apr-24 01:31 PM] tanda#0000 about 40 each [14-Apr-24 01:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 it's all good, idm doing it, i'll sell my excess BBH for funds to buy the BDE and BTA [14-Apr-24 01:35 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 not a lot to buy anyway tbh [14-Apr-24 01:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can cover the BBH, BSE, MCG and PSL at ANT. [14-Apr-24 01:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can't cover any construction materials, but I'd gladly sell some cheap H2O to get you started ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Apr-24 01:42 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @Deleted User quick question, How many PP3โ€™s you running to make HFABS and how many do you make/day? [14-Apr-24 01:43 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Thinking about following your line of work ๐Ÿ‘€ [14-Apr-24 01:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 1.) none, 2.) I think it averages out to about 3 of each per day. [14-Apr-24 01:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 It fluctates slightly week to week. [14-Apr-24 01:51 PM] igfloz#0000 With my current finances ( and all the help coming in) I am going to have to build slowly I think. Looking at figures to run a 13 FRM setup, I'm gonna need about $55K for a 10 day run. I am currently way short of that !! When I have some bank, I will certainly hit you up. Thanks for your support ๐Ÿ˜„ [14-Apr-24 01:53 PM] igfloz#0000 ...granted I do already have some stock of consumables, so I'm not in a $55K deficit, but still, I don't wanna burn my bank [14-Apr-24 01:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 how much water for a 10 day run? [14-Apr-24 01:55 PM] igfloz#0000 405 If I read prunplanner correctly [14-Apr-24 01:55 PM] tanda#0000 I've got that on the planet [14-Apr-24 01:55 PM] tanda#0000 I'll toss you 500 to get you going {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [14-Apr-24 01:56 PM] igfloz#0000 Thats awesome ! [14-Apr-24 01:57 PM] igfloz#0000 Got it, Thanks a lot ! [14-Apr-24 01:58 PM] tanda#0000 you're welcome [14-Apr-24 02:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 What you mean none? Aww is it PP4โ€™s? [14-Apr-24 02:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Consumables are 759d bound, the PG farm begins ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [14-Apr-24 04:51 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 going to potentially set up a glass factory on deimos to provide glass for making BTA/LTA's [15-Apr-24 04:25 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I've decided to hold off on the Nascent base for now, worked it out that it'll cost me more for the upkeep than it would be to just buy ALO of Deimos LM [15-Apr-24 07:13 AM] jvaler#0000 that's honestly the move [15-Apr-24 07:13 AM] jvaler#0000 i've been thinking... maybe nascent should just become metallurgy CoGC too [15-Apr-24 07:14 AM] jvaler#0000 we have such an abundance of ALO [15-Apr-24 07:14 AM] Deleted User#0000 People use it for C. [15-Apr-24 07:14 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™ll maybe look back into it later on to help provide for the rest of ADI but for now Iโ€™ll be stopping [15-Apr-24 07:15 AM] jvaler#0000 doesn't need to be on nascent. there's plenty of other resource extraction planets [15-Apr-24 07:15 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I feel like resource_extract or C smelting should be put on random planets and now ones that are abundant with ALO etc [15-Apr-24 07:15 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Exactly, I do mine on 759g ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [15-Apr-24 07:16 AM] jvaler#0000 deimos and nascent ALO deposits are identical, if it became metallurgy it'd literally be a second deimos [15-Apr-24 07:16 AM] jvaler#0000 but with free plots [15-Apr-24 07:18 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Does it have O tho? [15-Apr-24 07:22 AM] jvaler#0000 no... but deimos O is meh. with current O prices it's literally better to extract O than smelt AL lmfao, but SE-648c also exists with liquid O [15-Apr-24 07:24 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Oh damn lol, AL that bad? [15-Apr-24 07:48 AM] jvaler#0000 with the combination of low AL prices and high O prices yeah lmao [15-Apr-24 07:48 AM] jvaler#0000 yesterday prunplanner said the recipe is only +850 AIC every time you run it [15-Apr-24 08:50 AM] Deleted User#0000 This Deimos hate. [15-Apr-24 08:51 AM] Deleted User#0000 It breaks my heart. [15-Apr-24 09:27 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229437865503752294/image0.gif?ex=6814d63c&is=681384bc&hm=60233efff3b0271e1e8b07bfe1a637491182f92f771b5d06e60a9188e139ac05& [15-Apr-24 09:27 AM] cdgwaddell#0000 Make Deimos Great Again! [15-Apr-24 10:10 AM] jvaler#0000 i believe it will return to it's former glory once the AL market realizes what's up [15-Apr-24 10:54 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/e44e4522-9b03-4851-901c-6edb086804a6 [15-Apr-24 10:55 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 does that make sense or should the buildings be more diversified? [15-Apr-24 11:02 AM] evany.#0000 i believe the advice youll get is 0 EXT 15 SME- infact the opposite less diversification so that you get your 5 experts faster and they are more beneficial while simultaneously getting the benefits of cogc [15-Apr-24 11:03 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 hmm seems counter intuitive [15-Apr-24 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can build a max if 20 [15-Apr-24 11:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The CoGC will boost the SME but not the EXT making the efficiency higher [15-Apr-24 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Also if all 5 experts are for Smelting then the efficiency is higher as well [15-Apr-24 11:06 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 ok and then just buy ALO? [15-Apr-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [15-Apr-24 11:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can usually buy it from the local market for 75AIC/u [15-Apr-24 11:08 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 theres just one offer for 100ALO@91AIC/u [15-Apr-24 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I usually make a buy ad [15-Apr-24 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And price it at the 75/u [15-Apr-24 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I have yet to not have those filled [15-Apr-24 11:10 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 i see [15-Apr-24 11:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep ๐Ÿ‘ [15-Apr-24 11:11 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 thanks for the tip ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Apr-24 11:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ofc [15-Apr-24 11:13 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 do you know if apex has keyboard shortcuts? i hate closing windows by sniping the X [15-Apr-24 11:17 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 nvm CTRL+space opens a buffer and escape closes it... but you cant have a text field selected [15-Apr-24 11:35 AM] Deleted User#0000 I do think it was maybe a bit of our fault. [15-Apr-24 11:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Maybe when we see the construction boon we'll see prices start to rise as the demand goes up. [15-Apr-24 11:36 AM] Deleted User#0000 Especially if the people with a 500 area smelter base start producing their own bfabs with their supply, the market supply should decrease. [15-Apr-24 11:37 AM] jvaler#0000 it'll get better once O goes back down too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229470651128090684/image.png?ex=6814f4c5&is=6813a345&hm=d114fa83b925ba7d57037b614a920f816639f963f7f6547ebffd46eb59e2ddbf& [15-Apr-24 11:39 AM] jvaler#0000 i expect that too [15-Apr-24 11:39 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 alright then i'll get the materials for 18 more smelters and scrap the extractor [15-Apr-24 11:41 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 is it worth getting PWO? [15-Apr-24 11:42 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 COF seems expensive.. [15-Apr-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 luxury consumables are basically always worth it. if they aren't that means your profits are unreasonably low and there's likely issues with your plan [15-Apr-24 11:42 AM] jvaler#0000 because all they do is increase your efficiency(crafting speed) which amplifies whatever profits you already have [15-Apr-24 11:43 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah, once I started providing PWO, COF, KOM etc I realised how much better it is [15-Apr-24 11:44 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 ok i changed it: https://prunplanner.org/shared/e44e4522-9b03-4851-901c-6edb086804a6 [15-Apr-24 11:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 I don't know, buying KOM makes me reconsider my entire life. [15-Apr-24 11:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 That and COF. [15-Apr-24 11:45 AM] jvaler#0000 you don't hmu ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [15-Apr-24 11:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 No, Coleslaw has it cheaper. [15-Apr-24 11:46 AM] Deleted User#0000 And he doesn't hate Deimos.. [15-Apr-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 oh right [15-Apr-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 grr [15-Apr-24 11:46 AM] jvaler#0000 why you complaining then?? spoiled smh [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 You could have it from Coleslaw too. [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I want to make my own COF and KOM eventually [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Self sufficiency is the goal [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 damn 720k just for the building materials :E [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] jvaler#0000 well i get my DDT from them so i kinda do in a roundabout way [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Like I now make my own PT [15-Apr-24 11:47 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 the planner says 100 days before ROI {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [15-Apr-24 11:48 AM] jvaler#0000 jesus christ that's awful... something must be wrong [15-Apr-24 11:48 AM] jvaler#0000 are you using the 4x AL FLX recipe? [15-Apr-24 11:49 AM] archielvahr#0000 Ah yeah it's the wrong AL recipie in that prunplanner link [15-Apr-24 11:49 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 ah ok [15-Apr-24 11:49 AM] jvaler#0000 with current prices a 20 SME AL base should be ~50d ROI (still abysmal, ~20 to 30d ROI is standard for decent profits) [15-Apr-24 11:49 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 so i need to get FLX as well [15-Apr-24 11:50 AM] archielvahr#0000 For me, the profits from my AL comes from turning it into fabs on Nike [15-Apr-24 11:50 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 ok that took it down to 43d ROI [15-Apr-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 that AL could have been bought from the CX for 550/u. you gotta think of it as if you're selling the AL to yourself [15-Apr-24 11:51 AM] jvaler#0000 so just cause u use it yourself doesn't make the profits any different [15-Apr-24 11:52 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah definitely true [15-Apr-24 11:53 AM] archielvahr#0000 Although my Deimos base is 600 days old so... it's a long term decision as prices fluctuate [15-Apr-24 11:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 That gets to the question of how you value prices like that in prunplanner when you provide a lot of your own inputs. I'm pretty vertically integrated, so I like to set the buy price for the stuff I make to the COGM for each, and then each base making inputs provides basically no profits and it's all 'realized' at the final stage [15-Apr-24 11:54 AM] archielvahr#0000 I think AL is always in stock, unlike a lot of other things in my chains [15-Apr-24 11:56 AM] jvaler#0000 my deimos base is also old, except i've got a private deal from back when AL.AI1 was higher where someone buys my AL at a set price so i'm pretty much immune to the market ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229475371997728880/image.png?ex=6814f92b&is=6813a7ab&hm=a11d4e9d26eb811ca202b049406855088641d88b02e73ff0d6bae0b0a3c30fa8& [15-Apr-24 11:56 AM] jvaler#0000 i used to do that too, until i realized it makes it pretty impossible to determine the value any individual base actually provides you [15-Apr-24 12:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 That's a very important caveat. All accounting is wrong, but some is more useful than others ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-24 12:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 I also have an exchange preference with buy and sell at avg, with the idea that that still captures some of the cross-subsidy, but also still reflects the profits of individual bases well enough to make decisions [15-Apr-24 12:02 PM] jvaler#0000 cross-subsidy? [15-Apr-24 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 i make h20 which makes my rats and dw cheaper which I use as inputs to all my other bases which makes the other things cheaper etc etc. maybe cross-subsidy isn't the right word for it [15-Apr-24 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I'm not opposed to confidently using the wrong word ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [15-Apr-24 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've been thinking about making a tool (or at least a spreadsheet) for that sort of thing that can adequately capture the whole 'I sell X RATs at COGM to myself for upkeep, I sell the rest at ask/bid to the market', but haven't really had the time to play with it yet [15-Apr-24 12:07 PM] archielvahr#0000 I actually made a sheet to do that, with a ton of iterative circular calculations- because even extracting water uses DW... and making bfabs for the RIGs uses DW, which uses H2O, etc [15-Apr-24 12:08 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229478487895576596/Screenshot_2024-04-15_at_19.08.24.png?ex=6814fc12&is=6813aa92&hm=6b3af2ee97865f014f3b18bffc229eec770d4924e10ecb308cee797d93c5f496& [15-Apr-24 12:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you really want to price everything with no profit, the prices for everything get very very low [15-Apr-24 12:08 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 anyone wanna give me a deal on those materials? ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-24 12:09 PM] jvaler#0000 free :MCG: https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1228507717250056272 [15-Apr-24 12:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd love to take a look at it if you're willing to share. I'm interested at comparing what comes out of it vs what prunplanner shows with all the COGM settings. Just to see how wrong my accounting actually is [15-Apr-24 12:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 One of my big goals was to evaluate the markup of each MM item in isolation. [15-Apr-24 12:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 For niche products, you have to be aware of the amount you can actually sell. Markup on LFEs is great, but I have 100+ unsold ones. [15-Apr-24 12:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 MMs you can sell in any quantity.. So it's nice to know the minimum price of those, plus some idea of the price at each stage, in case there are opportunities to buy precursors. [15-Apr-24 12:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 Then I also calculate the total area per day required to make $1 with each MM [15-Apr-24 12:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 Since there was a big discussion of some otherwise good-looking MMs that just take too much area. (or are made really slowly). AIR actually came out looking pretty good, but there were some concerns since APFs are big and slow [15-Apr-24 12:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 I don't think I have taxes in the sheet though, and also google sheets tends to barf pretty bad sometimes on the iterative calculations. It helps to toggle them on and off. Sometimes it will seem to take 5+ minutes to calculate. Dunno what's up with that. It's almost so slow and unreliable to be useless ๐Ÿ˜• [15-Apr-24 12:23 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQio-Ou2znYif25GijFgRz9XSCVPSM8YGqcsMZu6EoQ/edit#gid=229198537 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQio-Ou2znYif25GijFgRz9XSCVPSM8YGqcsMZu6EoQ/edit Archiel Price Calc Core Prices MAT,Long Name,Ext price,Total Prod Price,Real price,Backup price,AI1-avg,Override,AI1-mm-buy,% of theoretical,Output/day/area,$ AI1 /day/area (just this stage),Area / unit * days (just this stage),Sum Area / unit * days,$/ sum unit/area * day,Lookup a Price,Production Cost Price,AI1... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2ZXoxteMlgdGqsW8EOzNm3SoSCWpidjIQWzN7OovIBI/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyJsiIDuCK8EvbosGYD8KQ0gTLcb48YDbNqIiHUllw0Bg_K_eZLCkmsQoJMyAjzjB1UquWXDKQhTtxFuNswNG7CsF_4CblriqpZ2SbkOEMTiArQ8c2M%3Dw1200-h630-p [15-Apr-24 12:24 PM] archielvahr#0000 I did mitigate some of the performance issues by breaking the circular loops by making value-only copies of some cells [15-Apr-24 12:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 so the sheet might be a mess, I don't know what was up when I stopped working on it. i think a manual calculate/download prices button might help. but that would be a lot of AppScripting [15-Apr-24 12:25 PM] jvaler#0000 don't let firefreak hear you say that [15-Apr-24 12:25 PM] archielvahr#0000 Heh yeah I haven't used any other spreadsheet software in 15+ years so I don't know if anything else would do better [15-Apr-24 12:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 Oh I also made some assumptions about extractor rates that could be tweaked to be more agressive [15-Apr-24 12:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 Really, the biggest condemnation of this approach (and idea in general) is that the calculations are so hard the results are probably useless if you half-ass it, (like I did) [15-Apr-24 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 This is very cool, thanks! Hopefully I can steal some ideas from it for my use-case, I didn't consider that you'd have to loop around and re-calculate input prices [15-Apr-24 12:35 PM] archielvahr#0000 If I redid it, maybe I would set price overrides for all the EXT goods and work from there [15-Apr-24 12:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 maybe this is an excuse for me to finally read up on linear programming ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Apr-24 12:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'd been thinking a lot about how each 'true' price (if you want to call it that) is just some linear function of the prices of the input goods (consumed directly or as overhead) [15-Apr-24 12:43 PM] tanda#0000 That sounds like a fantastic spreadsheet. I was just doing a baby version of that this weekend. I'm going to take a look at your calcs when I get home [15-Apr-24 01:20 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 cool! how does that work? custom contract? [15-Apr-24 01:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can do the BSE and BBH. [15-Apr-24 02:01 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Awesome, Iโ€™ll check how much i need after demolishing the extractor [15-Apr-24 02:02 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Just send me a contract for whatever you think is fair? [15-Apr-24 02:05 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Ok so i guess i just need 101 BSE, BBH still 116 [15-Apr-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Check #internal-offers and look at the sheet. [15-Apr-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 There are prices for Construction Prefabs. [15-Apr-24 02:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Just send me a contract for whatever those prices are, I can't remember out of memory and I'm not able to open the sheet. [15-Apr-24 02:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ah never mind got it working. [15-Apr-24 02:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 @m3tzg3r send me conts for 2000/u BBH and 1400/u BSE. [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Roger [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Pickup at antares station? [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] jvaler#0000 ofc [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Sorry i never created a contract [15-Apr-24 02:09 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Before [15-Apr-24 02:10 PM] jvaler#0000 that's where most people store their stuff because it has so much storage [15-Apr-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Deimos storage is op. [15-Apr-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‘ [15-Apr-24 02:11 PM] jvaler#0000 how many STO do you have there... [15-Apr-24 02:12 PM] jvaler#0000 the correct answer is 2 [15-Apr-24 02:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Back when I first started it was 4. [15-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 My journey of reformation has been a long and hard one, but I managed to cut it down to two for DNPC. [15-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I haven't relapsed since. [15-Apr-24 02:13 PM] jvaler#0000 thank god [15-Apr-24 02:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I do have random STOs on planets that have no need for them though. [15-Apr-24 02:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 At least one per base if I can fit it but not another production building. [15-Apr-24 02:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think that's justifiable though. [15-Apr-24 02:14 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah the jump from 1.5k to 6.5k is signifigant enough [15-Apr-24 02:14 PM] jvaler#0000 just in case, yk. in case of what? who knows [15-Apr-24 02:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 Deimos just holds like 20k fuel and that's about it. [15-Apr-24 02:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 AND ANYWAY, never mind my STO habits. [15-Apr-24 02:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've had enough of you being judgemental....... [15-Apr-24 02:16 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคญ [15-Apr-24 02:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm self conscious about my storage needs, you never know when you gotta store an entire new base at Griffonstone. [15-Apr-24 02:17 PM] jvaler#0000 so true... so so true [15-Apr-24 02:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 2 STO per base is the way to go. Having spare money is such a hassle, so itโ€™s much better to tie it all up in inventory [15-Apr-24 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 I have no shortage of spare money. [15-Apr-24 02:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 Because you donโ€™t have enough STO full of inventory ๐Ÿ˜› [15-Apr-24 02:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 Just joking, of course. But I do build a lot of STO because I get lazy with shipping [15-Apr-24 02:22 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 @jvaler @Deleted User sent contracts [15-Apr-24 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got 3 STO on vulcan for BGO/BRO/STL and it's only barely enough. constantly riding 0-3k free tonnage [15-Apr-24 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 will accept and fulfill when i get home :) [15-Apr-24 02:25 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Apr-24 02:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 just to come clean about my own STO habits ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1229513552956493996/image.png?ex=681473fa&is=6813227a&hm=c39e19dedf9f9465171db3f4256d69bad36402e6080c7d7ea8f6ac39bee31cb5& [15-Apr-24 02:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 Will accept when done at work. [15-Apr-24 02:35 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [15-Apr-24 06:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 Both contracts fulfilled. [16-Apr-24 12:02 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Perfect, thanks [16-Apr-24 10:38 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 My PG production is in full swing now, hopefully making 2000+ per day [16-Apr-24 10:38 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Finally ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Apr-24 06:31 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 How much PG do y'all guess we'd need to make to mess with the price ? [19-Apr-24 06:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 A lot [19-Apr-24 06:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wanna try to plan out how many of each base we'd need for the hypothetical PG crash [19-Apr-24 06:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Weekly trade at AI1 is ~160,000 rn [19-Apr-24 06:33 PM] spekktra_#0000 I wanted to say about 30k per day [19-Apr-24 06:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 My guess was ~11k daily ((160,000 * 50%) / 7). I think it would be a start [19-Apr-24 06:35 PM] spekktra_#0000 Sounds reasonable [19-Apr-24 06:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 30k daily is more than CI1 and IC1 trade this week combined [19-Apr-24 06:35 PM] spekktra_#0000 Ouch, my bad, it was just raw guess ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Apr-24 06:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think we might be able to convert some of the people EPO people as well to make PG (if we are short on people) [19-Apr-24 06:38 PM] spekktra_#0000 ANT is short on PG? [19-Apr-24 06:39 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We (ADI) might be short on people to control the amount of PG bases we would need [19-Apr-24 06:40 PM] acramernc#0000 why are we crashing the pg market? [19-Apr-24 06:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I thought it would be fun and also help out in Antares across the board since it's used in so many commodities [19-Apr-24 06:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 In my humble opinion it is overpriced [19-Apr-24 06:43 PM] jvaler#0000 if ADI somehow doesn't have enough people to affect PG maybe it's not overpriced lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Apr-24 06:43 PM] jvaler#0000 there's lots of people in here, surely it can be done [19-Apr-24 06:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Really doesn't look that bad. One 125% base can pump out 4.5k [19-Apr-24 06:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd throw in a permit - I'm always happy to ~~crash a market~~ adjust prices [19-Apr-24 06:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 3 bases would likely be enough [19-Apr-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 only 3? ADI has at least 3 people i think... lmao [19-Apr-24 06:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 (But if we supplied our own C it would help) [19-Apr-24 06:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 In the words of J.P Morgan, "pump it". [19-Apr-24 06:45 PM] acramernc#0000 dropping it more than 0.2 will take quite the doing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231028050435510343/image.png?ex=6814b076&is=68135ef6&hm=1243dcdbab1c544e69882089469abf5aa4866ddf3c77c329448d714506a58718& [19-Apr-24 06:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't know how much exactly we need to make. Especially considering after we lower the price, the cheaper PG could start moving across all 4 CXs [19-Apr-24 06:47 PM] jvaler#0000 unfortunately i have my own plans atm, so unless someone spoonfeeds me the resources to get something like ZV-759d built i'm out for now lol [19-Apr-24 06:48 PM] jvaler#0000 well if dvorak thinks the price should be lower than 39, selling it to gaia at that price is just extra money right? [19-Apr-24 06:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 there's no harm in starting 'small' with 3 bases plus supporting infrastructure and seeing how things go. worst case, we make some extra money on plastic [19-Apr-24 06:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ~90k/day with no experts is pretty darn good [19-Apr-24 06:50 PM] acramernc#0000 i'm cautiously interested [19-Apr-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 that's BBH numbers, i like it [19-Apr-24 06:50 PM] acramernc#0000 what would you need me to do [19-Apr-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no experts? [19-Apr-24 06:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Buying at ask prices and selling at bid {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231029474867417098/2024-04-19_16-51.png?ex=6814b1ca&is=6813604a&hm=3da337f4a1d6960ba4e6c7fd351c18d9c8ba04eb261e0f7cacf64840e35586ab& [19-Apr-24 06:51 PM] jvaler#0000 you usually plan things assuming max experts, cause most bases stick around long enough to get them. especially group projects [19-Apr-24 06:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 MG? Someone get Dean on the line, NOW. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ ๐Ÿคช [19-Apr-24 06:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 if we get to the point of actually building bases, I'd be happy to bankroll some of the construction and pitch in a permit myself ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Apr-24 06:52 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If you don't have the funds we'd likely pitch in to help you build a base making PG [19-Apr-24 06:52 PM] acramernc#0000 i think dean has long term aspirations to monopolize pg [19-Apr-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think Dean has long term aspirations to pay back his loan. [19-Apr-24 06:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 not if we do it first ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Apr-24 06:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Let alone anything else. [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 We as a group of individuals need to pick a side on the MG proxy war. [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 Dean or Filefolders. [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I like to know how much my base makes as soon as I build it [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah i haven't taken a grant yet so i could invest that into building whatever [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 i just feel that's shortsighted lol [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 and kinda misleading [19-Apr-24 06:53 PM] Deleted User#0000 We need some money is what I'm hearing? [19-Apr-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 dean produces such excess MG and it's such a minor portion of PG expenses i doubt it [19-Apr-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 if you want PG the main thing you need is CL [19-Apr-24 06:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well we gotta pick some a constant number of experts to compare bases and 0 experts works for me. Better to underestimate [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 why underestimate when you can be accurate [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] acramernc#0000 is there a way you can share this plan? [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 Who wants to see a magic trick? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231030431378309221/image.png?ex=6814b2ae&is=6813612e&hm=65fda6215d8b5505fb11feb65adefc3a7d6a2895d3d3f6e30aae093f9c323498& [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm watching ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231030515998654494/image.png?ex=6814b2c2&is=68136142&hm=f8cfbf314652e4b873a30d614a704ea1a0c03ac4b5bc358504d6003073814783& {Reactions} ๐Ÿช„ (2) ๐Ÿ’ธ [19-Apr-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 what'd you sell lmao [19-Apr-24 06:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 My soul. [19-Apr-24 06:56 PM] jvaler#0000 D: [19-Apr-24 06:56 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 [19-Apr-24 06:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm still working out what I want to do with my 50000 free PG. [19-Apr-24 06:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 could just turn it all into BDE [19-Apr-24 06:57 PM] acramernc#0000 lol could make a dent into intersteller gaia [19-Apr-24 06:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 or finally fix the PSL market at a slightly less extortionate price [19-Apr-24 06:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231031205286383626/image.png?ex=6814b366&is=681361e6&hm=eb0ffd2be99d76d024d8e84cb949362cb6e36928cdae7f3a11f80f9e5cd39215& [19-Apr-24 06:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't think that'd be worth it. [19-Apr-24 06:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd rather keep it on me for later use than yeet it into Gaia. [19-Apr-24 06:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i just remembered the whole point of co-ops is to maximize utilization of 5th experts... that's where the efficiency comes from lol your prod numbers will probably be off too without them [19-Apr-24 06:59 PM] jvaler#0000 so planning as if you have 0 experts doesn't make sense, idgi [19-Apr-24 06:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 can we just compromise on 3 experts so no one is happy? ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 No, I'm not happy with 3. [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think we should settle with 2.5. [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] jvaler#0000 real. better than voiding to an MM, but only slightly [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 i hate it so much. it's perfect [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Most of the price of PG is from C. The bases combined would be eating 300-333/day. I'll look if it's worth making bases to supply the C later but if somebody more knowledgeable about agri stuff would like to figure it out, go ahead [19-Apr-24 07:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 God this chart says a lot about me. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231031803570028678/image.png?ex=6814b3f5&is=68136275&hm=e9073211b65f0d0e63c4e01ec1c1ec7fc58a7dfb01a04ba87cda7decb572631d& [19-Apr-24 07:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 I am still curious about the jump I had to 999,999,999 equity not long ago. [19-Apr-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i remember there were some bug(s) with financial data collection piboy was trying to fix a while ago. iirc they said they did fix them [19-Apr-24 07:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 It was a while ago. [19-Apr-24 07:03 PM] Deleted User#0000 Plus my plugin got deleted so it won't be there anyway, sadly. [19-Apr-24 07:04 PM] acramernc#0000 what is the timescale for the volume metric in the CXP buffer [19-Apr-24 07:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 i think for the current day. volume is traded amount x price in that one, I think [19-Apr-24 07:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231033151359549491/image.png?ex=6814b536&is=681363b6&hm=24272aade52680953b1b303ce081da9e6fb89efb38c7a5b1f23f742e929cc512& [19-Apr-24 07:09 PM] acramernc#0000 ohh okay gotcha [19-Apr-24 07:09 PM] acramernc#0000 units would be epic on these lol [19-Apr-24 07:09 PM] acramernc#0000 so 50,000 pg traded per day? [19-Apr-24 07:10 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 make DCL or PSL [19-Apr-24 07:11 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i also discovered i make CL and it sells for a bomb [19-Apr-24 07:11 PM] jvaler#0000 my XIT FIN just tells me how bad i am at business lol. i think that january jump is when i started holding production inputs i don't technically own for a few co-op bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231034585283035217/image.png?ex=6814b68c&is=6813650c&hm=6928f5c40b38b5f479717247bd09d8fc4df0f6c5875ff83b04ed81fe33fe52d5& [19-Apr-24 07:12 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd be nowhere without AA [19-Apr-24 07:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 Wouldn't we all. [19-Apr-24 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh imma have to look at that on my account [19-Apr-24 07:12 PM] Deleted User#0000 If I hadn't sold my soul to the devil (rise), ADI would not have been a thing. [19-Apr-24 07:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 I coordinate sending inventory back and forth for a few bases, so my chart makes no sense anymore ๐Ÿ˜ฆ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฟ [19-Apr-24 07:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 My xit fin shits itself every time I send a sell cont for 3 million worth of NR. [19-Apr-24 07:13 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [19-Apr-24 07:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231035168458936420/image.png?ex=6814b717&is=68136597&hm=da0d8f37f370ed88e5df21b5c09d6e45e5773d069531ac75b8ca39856a38a0a0& [19-Apr-24 07:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 I fucking hate Bober. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Apr-24 07:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i fucking hate bober too {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Apr-24 07:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think my true worth is closer to 50M {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231035379235160134/image.png?ex=6814b749&is=681365c9&hm=1b41342f026f1b94716a9915a115fe931b437d2d0a3d95fd2e93ffd13fb3f999& [19-Apr-24 07:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 We need to start a petition for the renaming of Bober. [19-Apr-24 07:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 I feel like they should let us pay double to rename a planet [19-Apr-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 if we're doing that might as well petition for elon too. rise's account of prun history says it was a malicious name grab [19-Apr-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 but renamings aren't gonna happen, they paid for that with real money ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [19-Apr-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 it'd be unethical, even if the names suck [19-Apr-24 07:18 PM] jvaler#0000 yk i wanna buy galaxy to name antares VI and name another one of CAAP's planets, but i really shouldn't be spending 300$ on unnecessary things in this game lol [19-Apr-24 07:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 We gotta get Aphrodite in there somewhere. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231036614390714419/image.png?ex=6814b870&is=681366f0&hm=f572c14243cfb4f2cad444fc72fb8bed9f66d368a6a64229be49c3e7fe17d6ca& [19-Apr-24 07:20 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah i'm kinda disappointed that there isn't a mechanism to rename planets via politics [19-Apr-24 07:21 PM] acramernc#0000 but i think that ship sailed when they included it as a supporter perk [19-Apr-24 07:21 PM] jvaler#0000 not the war update we asked for, but the war update we needed [19-Apr-24 07:22 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah honestly i feel like political power positioning plays into this game better than open conflict [19-Apr-24 07:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares will be on the universe's map, even if it is the last map ever made. [19-Apr-24 07:23 PM] jvaler#0000 i want to name castillo-ito planets silly things [19-Apr-24 07:23 PM] jvaler#0000 and force them to pay taxes in AIC [19-Apr-24 07:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Antares LXIX in the middle of Hortus. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [19-Apr-24 07:30 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yep this tracks. said january co-op bases are astraeus KV and ZV-194b LDE/LTA and they make up like 20% of my current equity {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231039177710112828/image.png?ex=6814bad3&is=68136953&hm=c45f137f3b35e01b008a5c5f739907d90102b3f08e87620ccdc596c428606788& [19-Apr-24 07:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How do I do these things? [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 the command is at the top, `XIT FIN` [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 assuming you have PMMG that is [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oooh [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I donโ€™t think I have PMMG [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 blasphemy [19-Apr-24 07:38 PM] acramernc#0000 what browser do you use [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Edge {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฎ [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 err [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] acramernc#0000 that would be your problem lol [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 also blasphemy i guess [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Burn me at the stake I guess [19-Apr-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 don't mind if i do [19-Apr-24 07:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ [19-Apr-24 07:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Whenever I see edge pop up on my PC I know it is time for a reinstall of windows. [19-Apr-24 07:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 I typically get a good 3-4 months before it worms its way in. [19-Apr-24 07:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Apr-24 07:41 PM] acramernc#0000 https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/pmmg-extended/cadmmgnpgphgndeeoldoohkcbjkohigg {Embed} https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/pmmg-extended/cadmmgnpgphgndeeoldoohkcbjkohigg PMMG Extended Improve and tweak the interface elements of PrUn website https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EKkm2sFQ2V0177N4Kw39DbTc8yieeMMntW2eVr2Po9Q/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/agAvkl8Dv6bjPhuqMMApaXEii3L-mseLwD54GSWLz1p4EGAwIhKh-qo-VkFqIlYxl-75bSWLrjVh1RyOZMcB3j2M%3Ds128-rj-sc0x00ffffff [19-Apr-24 07:41 PM] acramernc#0000 should be able to use that with edge [19-Apr-24 07:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Got it โ˜บ๏ธ [19-Apr-24 07:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Need to add FรO api key to it? [19-Apr-24 07:47 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah for some features [19-Apr-24 07:47 PM] acramernc#0000 do you have fio [19-Apr-24 07:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [19-Apr-24 07:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not that kind of heathen [19-Apr-24 07:48 PM] acramernc#0000 lol [19-Apr-24 07:49 PM] acramernc#0000 man this pg base plan has some rough shipping requirements {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231044048534634566/image.png?ex=6814bf5c&is=68136ddc&hm=91369bb39fa3470ff222d14d8088e81f7fac0ee3236d20bc8f1b7e749eb46964& [19-Apr-24 07:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wows thatโ€™s quite involved [19-Apr-24 07:51 PM] spekktra_#0000 What's that and where can I find it? [19-Apr-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231044526332706928/image.png?ex=6814bfce&is=68136e4e&hm=2339b3dc8585e61f0c37239307890d95848ee59ca085a54265166e3f70f9159e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [19-Apr-24 07:51 PM] spekktra_#0000 Thanks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [19-Apr-24 07:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You need an extension in your browser [19-Apr-24 07:52 PM] spekktra_#0000 I have it ๐Ÿ™‚ I just didn't know about this command [19-Apr-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 for most features no. there's only like 1 feature that needs it now afaik that i've never seen anyone use [19-Apr-24 07:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh ๐Ÿ˜ฅ looks like I was just an uneducated heathen [19-Apr-24 07:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So it wonโ€™t show any data from before today? [19-Apr-24 07:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc it says Iโ€™ve got nothing [19-Apr-24 07:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yep - it collects that data separately, so you wonโ€™t have anything from before now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Apr-24 07:57 PM] spekktra_#0000 Did we decide something about PG, bcs our corp has potential 3 bases for PG ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-24 07:58 PM] spekktra_#0000 We need more people moving to se-110d for C [19-Apr-24 07:58 PM] acramernc#0000 i'm happy to help with it but i dont think i can do a base that needs resupply every 1.6 days lol [19-Apr-24 07:59 PM] spekktra_#0000 If we chose one planet for it, we can coordinate supply chains between everybody [19-Apr-24 08:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just upgraded my HQ [19-Apr-24 08:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I can build a new base [19-Apr-24 08:03 PM] acramernc#0000 yeah just tell me what to do and i'll do it lol ๐Ÿซก [19-Apr-24 08:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Still need more planning. 3 PG bases should be enough for a start but we need to decide on the planet, whether we want to spin up new incinerators/farms, and where the INC would go [19-Apr-24 08:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I am building a base producing EPO on Elon but could switch it to PG [19-Apr-24 08:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Elon seems like a pretty good chem planet [19-Apr-24 08:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also what price we want to lock in for PG [19-Apr-24 08:18 PM] acramernc#0000 great question, al1 is already the lowest for pg so if we send it too low we'll be fighting the whole galaxy to keep the price lol [19-Apr-24 08:19 PM] acramernc#0000 i think if we can get it below 39.0 that would be apretty big victory [19-Apr-24 10:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I looked at the supply of all the inputs for PG and I think MG might actually be the problem. [19-Apr-24 10:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 3 of our bases would eat about as much as all of MG weekly trade [19-Apr-24 10:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Get dean on this [19-Apr-24 10:58 PM] tanda#0000 what planet are you guys doing this on? [19-Apr-24 10:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Not certain yet but elon looks good [19-Apr-24 11:00 PM] tanda#0000 I was running some PRUN numbers and found an MG base with extractors can actually make enough to supply 4-5 bases manufacturing PG [19-Apr-24 11:00 PM] tanda#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/81c3477a-2272-4a59-ad34-15ca1c9654f2 [19-Apr-24 11:01 PM] tanda#0000 this is ZV-759d, though [19-Apr-24 11:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Elon has MGS [19-Apr-24 11:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We could make it on the spot at one extra base [19-Apr-24 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, if you have volunteers for the PG base, I don't mind supply an MG base [19-Apr-24 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 it doesn't even need COGC bonus to work [19-Apr-24 11:05 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, on Elon that base is exactly the same [19-Apr-24 11:05 PM] tanda#0000 same number of extractors even [19-Apr-24 11:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So far I got that if we decide to sell PG at 35/u, we'd be making 50k at 100% efficiency and 91k at full experts and CoGC. Thoughts ? [19-Apr-24 11:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not too shabby [19-Apr-24 11:32 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, Elon is within spitting distance of Nascent, so there should be a good supply of Carbon too [19-Apr-24 11:36 PM] jvaler#0000 & @tanda i could refactor my existing elon EXT base to cut off my AUO surplus in favor of MGS. i almost have 5 experts there right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231101248900694016/image.png?ex=6814f4a2&is=6813a322&hm=b10e9091a8b23faa3d4ae69627288c70c1b1334a5cd7b3b4803ebbbcdfce9e0e& [19-Apr-24 11:37 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231101534343921694/Screenshot_2024-04-19_213746.png?ex=6814f4e6&is=6813a366&hm=9ee74623792a8def6cc41fb238939225d990ff9f2e178c9f11156df6bc9312d2& [19-Apr-24 11:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If you could make the MG on the spot too, that'd be neat. Otherwise a base setup for MG on Elon is already making more than enough [19-Apr-24 11:38 PM] tanda#0000 I don't really think that's too necessary, though if you did that I could cut down on extractors a bit [19-Apr-24 11:39 PM] jvaler#0000 rise needs that CLI so i'd rather not cut down on EXT count [19-Apr-24 11:39 PM] jvaler#0000 although... [19-Apr-24 11:39 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231101975035248731/Screenshot_2024-04-19_213923.png?ex=6814f54f&is=6813a3cf&hm=671237d3242222e048c4b75cc6b6ea3c5a96b76bd6c8bfd501d073091539250b& [19-Apr-24 11:40 PM] tanda#0000 with the MGS you extract, this plan could bump up BMPs to push out another 200 MG a day [19-Apr-24 11:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We only need 350/day for the three bases, possibly more if 3 bases isn't enough [19-Apr-24 11:41 PM] tanda#0000 that makes this base really cheap then [19-Apr-24 11:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Whoever will be responsible for the base can make OFF or something with the remaining space [19-Apr-24 11:43 PM] tanda#0000 the funny thing is that all the requirements for PE are already being imported to the planet too [19-Apr-24 11:44 PM] jvaler#0000 nevermind, reducing the EXT while maintaining CLI and AUO levels and fitting in BMP to consume the MGS is just entirely awkward. the HB1 do not like it [19-Apr-24 11:45 PM] nyanism#0000 Wont your PG chain oversupply the current CX demand? [19-Apr-24 11:45 PM] jvaler#0000 but if the base only needs 350 MG/d the MGS i can supply should cover it entirely [19-Apr-24 11:45 PM] jvaler#0000 so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [19-Apr-24 11:46 PM] tanda#0000 I think I want to do a manufacturing base there to support this push. If you can just sell me MGS I don't even need extractors until the PG makers need more than 350 [19-Apr-24 11:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ People would start using cheap PG for more stuff like DW and BDE. Also some extra will be shipped to other CXs for arbitrage [19-Apr-24 11:47 PM] jvaler#0000 84.17/d can make up to 673.36 MG/d [19-Apr-24 11:47 PM] jvaler#0000 so i assume this will be organized like an AA co-op, so if this is the plan i'd just be paid a set rate for the MGS [19-Apr-24 11:47 PM] jvaler#0000 cause partial shares are a PITA from what i've heard [19-Apr-24 11:48 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just trying to match demand as closely as possible with the MG manufacture on PRUN. I don't like the look of the export volume with a lot of MG overproduction [19-Apr-24 11:49 PM] jvaler#0000 you don't have to match 84.17/d, that's just my maximum. i'd prefer it if it was less even cause that's more CLI to rise ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Apr-24 11:50 PM] tanda#0000 matching demand to what's projected (350/d) I would need 64.2 input per day [19-Apr-24 11:50 PM] tanda#0000 or around there. Let's say 65/d [19-Apr-24 11:51 PM] jvaler#0000 this seems to be the nicest i can wrangle it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231105033718730874/image.png?ex=6814f828&is=6813a6a8&hm=706a46b9511712125c210a1c50748745df44bcec6139dc9ecaf1387cfdbdffb1& [19-Apr-24 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 i eat 48 AUO/d and rise wants ~200 CLI/d [19-Apr-24 11:52 PM] jvaler#0000 so seems pretty good [19-Apr-24 11:52 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, you could also occassionally bump a cycle off MGS and be good, too [19-Apr-24 11:53 PM] tanda#0000 alright, well I guess I know what my next project will be. Time to start saving bfabs [19-Apr-24 11:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The MG situation seems clear [19-Apr-24 11:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I already have a base that could make 2k PG rn and 4k PG when finished, so looking for 2-3 more people on the PG side to put permits down on Elon [20-Apr-24 04:38 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™m making PG rn, just got a bunch of projects on rn before I can free up some stock [20-Apr-24 09:43 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I'm going to construct an FS on Deimos to provide MFK & SFK for us [20-Apr-24 09:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and potentially a glass factory too [20-Apr-24 09:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Antares #1 window maker [20-Apr-24 10:17 AM] jvaler#0000 they're so cheap the expenses are minimal... you sure? what are the profit numbers for something like that, i never looked [20-Apr-24 10:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 not so much for profit, just for making myself; OVE, EXO, DCM, DCS etc [20-Apr-24 10:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and i already make FE, AL & STL on Deimos so i might as well make the most of it [20-Apr-24 10:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and i'll need GL for making LTA etc [20-Apr-24 10:49 AM] jvaler#0000 just for the convenience of not having to open CXPO buffers is all? [20-Apr-24 10:50 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah, and i can't be bothered constantly buying stuff that i can just make ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ Semi self-sufficiency [20-Apr-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 understandable [20-Apr-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 ik i procrastinate sending out ships cause those CXPO buffers are a chore lolol [20-Apr-24 10:52 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah, like atm i don't really have a use for FE and STL too much, so i just thought if i'm extracting it from Phobos, i might as well make some use of it. even if i end up selling a lot of it for pennies, better than nothing. [21-Apr-24 12:35 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 Almost done with PRUNplanner. If I were to make a base on Harmonia. Would it be wise to make carbon on there as well as the rations and drinking water [21-Apr-24 12:37 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 I'm planning on using just one base permit for now [21-Apr-24 12:41 AM] seacilia#0000 Depends on the scale of carbon you need. For myself I couldn't squeeze enough out of Phobos, a similar planet, for it to feed both carbon my large scale smelteries and rations to feed my empire, not to mention I had already moved drinking water production to the Ice station in my plan as well. If you are planning to scale up may be best to let a farm planet focus on a single task so far in my opninon [21-Apr-24 12:42 AM] tanda#0000 the general consensus is to build strictly towards the planet's COGC. This is due to the rather strong 25% boost to production speed the COGC provides [21-Apr-24 12:43 AM] tanda#0000 I am starting to find this is not true in all circumstances, but I can definitely speak to that specific application [21-Apr-24 12:43 AM] tanda#0000 don't make C on Harmonia, export your grown products to Nascent and make C there [21-Apr-24 12:43 AM] seacilia#0000 That being said Harmonia is a way better farm planet for that reason so it may be more feasable [21-Apr-24 12:44 AM] seacilia#0000 Just yeah have a manufactory off world that you export agri products to [21-Apr-24 12:45 AM] seacilia#0000 FP or INC. Inc gets bonuses from resource production COGC [21-Apr-24 12:45 AM] tanda#0000 Norwick is the local FP planet for Harmonia [21-Apr-24 12:56 AM] jvaler#0000 imo carbon isn't very profitable atm. you may as well just be straight up selling the agri input to the CX instead of turning it into C and you'll get equivalent profits left screenshot is 7 INC {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231483704304730182/image.png?ex=68150752&is=6813b5d2&hm=d3dec348f4b4c72e85fa17d9a9fe38b05cfa01bfba38f17c070a99276266e824& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231483704711315517/image.png?ex=68150753&is=6813b5d3&hm=0456132b88b6b2946689ae3f7f67bfa6fff281f849faddfdab84256431c3e073& [21-Apr-24 12:56 AM] seacilia#0000 Interesting.. [21-Apr-24 12:57 AM] jvaler#0000 but then you don't get to utilize your agri experts for your INC so it ends up being worse than just 13 FRMs [21-Apr-24 12:57 AM] tanda#0000 that's incredible, since C has been rising for the last week [21-Apr-24 12:58 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 Really? Is that normal in the Antares area? [21-Apr-24 12:58 AM] jvaler#0000 C has been like this for months afaik [21-Apr-24 12:59 AM] seacilia#0000 I'm sure its still worth it if you're going for the SME route because the inputs are still low, just takes time, but that is astonishing considering how many people I've seen in global mentioning buying C [21-Apr-24 01:00 AM] jvaler#0000 like i talked about earlier, it's the new player misconception of "if i make it myself, it's free". they don't consider that there's more profitable things to focus on than covering for the stuff you buy off the CX [21-Apr-24 01:00 AM] jvaler#0000 i used to think the same way and complain about C prices lmfao [21-Apr-24 01:00 AM] jvaler#0000 but i realize now it's priced well, if a little low even [21-Apr-24 01:01 AM] seacilia#0000 Totes, right gotta remember that, I pulled myself off rations now I have to consider applying the idea elsewhere as well. [21-Apr-24 01:02 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 We're planning to mess with the PG price if you are interested in the near future [21-Apr-24 01:03 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Should be ~50k/day at 100% efficiency [21-Apr-24 01:03 AM] seacilia#0000 Intersting, I already though the price was really low, I was avoiding doing plastics myself for that reason. Importing seemed very profitable. [21-Apr-24 01:04 AM] jvaler#0000 ...which will end up being ~80k/d because bases don't run at 100% they run at 160% with 5 experts and CoGC ๐Ÿ˜’ [21-Apr-24 01:04 AM] tanda#0000 I just hope the numbers I got fed for the MG base accounted for 5 expert consumption, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [21-Apr-24 01:04 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 What percent efficiency you get can change by base layout [21-Apr-24 01:05 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 100% is an easy way to compare [21-Apr-24 01:05 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VnwOhDUugNKSl_xOu-1msxwvF-6otpjRoNQGhNvU6L0/https/media.tenor.com/mMvN5Ons12sAAAAe/talking-wall.png [21-Apr-24 01:05 AM] tanda#0000 which is why I actually planned around having no experts on my end, lol [21-Apr-24 01:05 AM] jvaler#0000 in the context of co-op projects, the point is to maximize efficiency utilization by not splitting industries in a single base. [21-Apr-24 01:05 AM] jvaler#0000 so ideally the efficiencies don't stray from 160% lol [21-Apr-24 01:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 My life is solely continued by the dopamine hit of "a new expert has arrived". {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [21-Apr-24 01:06 AM] jvaler#0000 wait this isn't how you'd calculate profits anyways, if you're splitting by shares like AA efficiency rates don't matter [21-Apr-24 01:07 AM] jvaler#0000 amount of end product and number of permits is all you care about [21-Apr-24 01:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 A co-op share system sounds annoying to manage, I had just consistent (higher) prices for MG in mind [21-Apr-24 01:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 A base at ***100%*** makes 80k rn so it's pretty wild for a basic material like that [21-Apr-24 01:09 AM] seacilia#0000 Ahhh, I understand [21-Apr-24 01:09 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคจ i guess that works... [21-Apr-24 01:10 AM] seacilia#0000 Maybe I should get in on the plastic game if the price is going to go up... :3 [21-Apr-24 01:10 AM] jvaler#0000 dvorak's plan is to bring the price down by supplying more of it lmao [21-Apr-24 01:10 AM] seacilia#0000 Oh, shoot. My apologies [21-Apr-24 01:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 At this present moment it could genuinely go sideways. {Reactions} ๐Ÿง (2) [21-Apr-24 01:10 AM] jvaler#0000 but it'll stay profitable [21-Apr-24 01:11 AM] tanda#0000 I've volunteered to supply the MG on site [21-Apr-24 01:12 AM] jvaler#0000 yup, and i've offered to refactor my elon EXT to make MGS for said MG. so that's 1/3 of the recipe covered the easiest 1/3... but still a third [21-Apr-24 01:13 AM] tanda#0000 and for one of the other thirds, I'm looking to buy HCP [21-Apr-24 01:14 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Having our own C would be nice but I wouldn't say necessary [21-Apr-24 01:14 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 If anything, we might raise the price and help newbie carbon farmers [21-Apr-24 01:14 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm planning on finally making my HYF base soon (2 weeks minimum) once i get my money back from a loan i gave out, so i could look into seeing if there's extra prod open for HCP [21-Apr-24 01:14 AM] jvaler#0000 i like that idea actually [21-Apr-24 01:15 AM] tanda#0000 considering this plan for PG production does not include C production to compensate, we Will be increasing the price of C [21-Apr-24 01:15 AM] jvaler#0000 hm [21-Apr-24 01:16 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 C trade this week is 18k, we will be eating 2100/week [21-Apr-24 01:16 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 So maybe a small bump [21-Apr-24 01:17 AM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah you can tell the price has reached it's lowest, cause people realize selling it for any lower makes it not worth it to produce {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1231488994349678602/image.png?ex=68150c40&is=6813bac0&hm=4640abdb265f982cdd1b62a12a93d47ba3f31e018dcfa53d93009ed381bc7d5f& [21-Apr-24 01:17 AM] jvaler#0000 neat to see visualized [21-Apr-24 01:19 AM] jvaler#0000 at least i think that's what's going on [21-Apr-24 01:19 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 seems legit [21-Apr-24 01:20 AM] seacilia#0000 Good night/happy earth cycle everyone [21-Apr-24 01:20 AM] jvaler#0000 gn! [21-Apr-24 01:20 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 gn [21-Apr-24 11:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Can we have an announcement or something to recruit people for the PG production ? I'd like to have the list of people by next weekend to hash out how we start [21-Apr-24 11:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Need 2-3 permits on Elon [21-Apr-24 11:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Preferably newer players [22-Apr-24 01:07 AM] nyanism#0000 @evany. @igfloz you guys can probably join the fun on elon, just need to talk a bit and see about the prospect income, if it looks good, additional loans can always be taken. @histidinedwarf what kind of base you guys lacking anyway? [22-Apr-24 01:49 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 I could help โœŒ๏ธ [22-Apr-24 01:49 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Only have the one base on Deimos [22-Apr-24 02:18 AM] Deleted User#0000 If there's any funding needed I'm sure we are available. [22-Apr-24 06:26 AM] acramernc#0000 add me to your list [22-Apr-24 10:11 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Sounds good [22-Apr-24 11:50 AM] evany.#0000 igfloz and i definitely meet the requirements of newer players. @histidinedwarf i'd certainly be interested {Reactions} GatoXD [22-Apr-24 12:29 PM] tanda#0000 Let me know how many PG bases we got, I'll adjust ratios and BMPs to make sure all are supplied [22-Apr-24 01:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The three that responded should be enough, if we produce too much we can start making EPO too [22-Apr-24 01:56 PM] igfloz#0000 I was planning a manufacturing base on Hephaestus which would include PG. Just to clarify, is the need for PG production on Elon, or just in general for ADI needs ? [22-Apr-24 02:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PG is chemistry and not manufacturing. PE is manufacturing. We don't need the PG for ourselves, we are trying to crash the price [22-Apr-24 02:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We are setting up on Elon because it has the CoGC and because we can make MG on the spot there, which there isn't enough on the CX [22-Apr-24 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was in the three that responded or no? [22-Apr-24 02:25 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I forgot if you responded. I was talking about @acramernc, @m3tzg3r, and @evany. {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Apr-24 02:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If we need more people pumping PG we'll recruit more. There's also probably going to be similar projects for other commodities in the future. You can plan out one such project yourself [22-Apr-24 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I remembered offering to help but couldnโ€™t remember what became of that um [22-Apr-24 04:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/desolate-empty-emptyemoji-emoji-emote-gif-22555455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/desolate-empty-emptyemoji-emoji-emote-gif-22555455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ja5WZvzIoLtlwDX_2Fwy9fBQM21U7JEplQ_nhWUspYk/https/media.tenor.com/dz1wVhRATEUAAAAe/desolate-empty.png [22-Apr-24 04:04 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The three bases together will be a nice, affordable 4.5 mil [22-Apr-24 04:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 [22-Apr-24 04:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Could also start with half and build up the bases as money comes in [22-Apr-24 04:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 + lowstrife [22-Apr-24 04:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 On an unrelated note, we'll be indirectly fucking over dean with low PG prices if the price drops in CI1 too [22-Apr-24 04:10 PM] acramernc#0000 its okay, dean has paid off his loan [22-Apr-24 04:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m sure we could figure out funding within ADI if you donโ€™t want to take loans [22-Apr-24 04:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd personally be happy to contribute a significant part of that as either a grant or 0% interest loan, whichever you'd be more comfortable with [22-Apr-24 04:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 likewise, just ping me! [22-Apr-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 @jvaler I'd like to drop the Elon MG base this weekend. Do you have any MGS I could buy so I can start getting a buffer ready for the PG bases? [22-Apr-24 08:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Additionally, we'd take some of these fabs at favorable prices as well if people are offering {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1232143956918272092/2024-04-22_18-38.png?ex=6814cb3b&is=681379bb&hm=49ec4014ceae8c133a11443bb85f5f23ac1315fb629df69504eb7ed18211b1fb& [22-Apr-24 08:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can do the BBH and BSE at internal prices. [22-Apr-24 08:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 If that's per base, I can probably cover all 3. [22-Apr-24 08:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can get you LDE [22-Apr-24 08:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And probably BTA and LTA [22-Apr-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 thank goodness this PG base thing will likely make it easier to do BDE as well [22-Apr-24 08:46 PM] jvaler#0000 i do not, was waiting for the heads up to switch prod. will do so now thx [22-Apr-24 08:48 PM] tanda#0000 I thought you might be, thank you! [22-Apr-24 08:52 PM] jvaler#0000 this weekend though? are the PG bases already planned and accounted for? [22-Apr-24 08:53 PM] jvaler#0000 this is surprisingly quick [22-Apr-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 I'm trying to get ahead of it. That and I'm going to start PE manufacture as well [22-Apr-24 08:54 PM] tanda#0000 I was already poised to do expansion this week. This plan just changed what direction I expanded in [22-Apr-24 08:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 My idea is to finish up planning this weekend as I am a bit busy this week. Actually build the bases soon after [22-Apr-24 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok base on Nascent for C and maybe ALO or FRM on Harmonia? [22-Apr-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 yes [22-Apr-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok well duh, but which one first? [22-Apr-24 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 harmonia and sell me some GRN for a minute while you step up your Nascent base? [22-Apr-24 09:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there are only 14 permits left there so... [22-Apr-24 11:07 PM] nyanism#0000 i can prolly provide LBH for 1 base, but waht would be favorable price on it, i have no idea, just call on em, as long as imn ot going deficit, it will go to the project [23-Apr-24 11:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 How does 12 FRM and 3 RIG on Harmonia sound? 13 day ROI [23-Apr-24 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/cbeac995-448d-405f-ac19-9c525e69450f [23-Apr-24 12:00 PM] tanda#0000 It works out great for me. I'm just using it for GRN right now and it keeps me in carbon [23-Apr-24 12:00 PM] tanda#0000 Water isn't that hard to haul out there, though. Probably don't need the rigs [23-Apr-24 12:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Meh thatโ€™s one less thing to worry about [23-Apr-24 01:15 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought the same thing when i did 11 FRMs 5 RIGs but if you have no imports your ship is running empty when it flies in to export. there's not really a downside to going full FRM [23-Apr-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 you just buy water at the same time you buy consumables [23-Apr-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm ๐Ÿค” true but I still go there for consumables ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [23-Apr-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll look at it some more in PrUnPlanner [23-Apr-24 03:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok can you fit 14 FRM and 7 HB1 in a 1 permit base bc PrUnPlanner says no... [23-Apr-24 03:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 says im 15 over [23-Apr-24 03:04 PM] igfloz#0000 13 FRM, 7 HB1 and 1 STO I have {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [23-Apr-24 03:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 OH I was forgetting about CM in my manual maths.... [23-Apr-24 03:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 damn [23-Apr-24 03:19 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it's sad ๐Ÿ˜” [24-Apr-24 02:09 PM] .shiva.#0000 So am I understanding it right that the CoGC bonuses basically make it such that you only really want very focused bases that take advantage of them? Like only produce AL/metals on demos, and then setup another base entirely to consume them? [24-Apr-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's the general idea. [24-Apr-24 02:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 It doesn't always work out like that, but if you can, stick to your cogc. [24-Apr-24 02:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 Thanks [25-Apr-24 06:59 AM] tanda#0000 Elon MG base is built, I'm just going to make PE for a few days with it. Good thing I got it up early, I'm going to need a POPR to get all the pioneers I need [25-Apr-24 08:51 AM] avalock#0000 Hey, how needed is CUO/CU within antares space? [25-Apr-24 08:56 AM] avalock#0000 I wouldnt mind planning a mine but its technically outside of antares space [25-Apr-24 09:08 AM] jvaler#0000 i personally consume 26.6 CUO/d, and i think @cptcoleslaw has demand for CU {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Apr-24 09:08 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yes. Yes I do ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Apr-24 09:09 AM] avalock#0000 noted, iโ€™d be more the mining side rather than smelting [25-Apr-24 09:09 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Where do you plan to mine? [25-Apr-24 09:10 AM] avalock#0000 LG-430 [25-Apr-24 09:19 AM] avalock#0000 i may reget pro to get one of the other grants to help, i have 200k to help start funding [25-Apr-24 09:35 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m going to also repivot my carbon farm and basically send it there to turn into a mine [25-Apr-24 09:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 Did you buy pro once? [25-Apr-24 09:38 AM] Deleted User#0000 If so, you'll have basic. [25-Apr-24 09:39 AM] avalock#0000 yeee i bought pro once lmao [25-Apr-24 10:00 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m more or less getting back into the game [25-Apr-24 10:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 Welcome back. [25-Apr-24 10:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 We are richer than ever. [25-Apr-24 10:02 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsWoo: [25-Apr-24 10:03 AM] avalock#0000 it looks like ALO/AL took a hit [25-Apr-24 10:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 Eh, it did for a bit but it is bouncing back. [25-Apr-24 10:04 AM] Deleted User#0000 Hovering between 550 and 600 now. [25-Apr-24 10:05 AM] avalock#0000 yeeee of course, iโ€™m rebranding myself into a mining corporation than trying to take on 3 sectors [25-Apr-24 10:06 AM] avalock#0000 ALO, CUO, FEO iโ€™m thinking [25-Apr-24 10:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Have fun with FEO. [25-Apr-24 10:07 AM] avalock#0000 is it no bueno? i see prices are on the lower end [25-Apr-24 10:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 More so the weight. [25-Apr-24 10:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 It is a lot heavier for less profit. [25-Apr-24 10:09 AM] avalock#0000 ahhhh word [25-Apr-24 10:10 AM] avalock#0000 could go AUO but it seems like it doesnโ€™t have much industry [25-Apr-24 10:12 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 AUO and CUO are also super heavy... [25-Apr-24 10:13 AM] avalock#0000 itโ€™ll be fine [25-Apr-24 10:13 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 WCBs and shipping ads when needed ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [25-Apr-24 10:13 AM] avalock#0000 yeeee thinking that [25-Apr-24 10:14 AM] avalock#0000 leaving the shipping to the professionals [25-Apr-24 10:15 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I might also pick up my own CUO from the source if I can buy it 3000t at a time [25-Apr-24 10:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 When in doubt, buy more ships. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Apr-24 10:15 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll prob need more capital for that [25-Apr-24 10:15 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: its a process [25-Apr-24 10:17 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Order one from Highlander Ships, their deal is on the UFO discord. Their wait time is super long, but that gives you time to save the money because they don't take payment until it's finished. Also definitely the best prices in the game for full kits. Almost as cheap as KAWAs internal ship prices, which is crazy [25-Apr-24 10:18 AM] avalock#0000 ahhhh noted, iโ€™ll check [25-Apr-24 10:20 AM] avalock#0000 time to make a budget thing :woopsNote1: [25-Apr-24 10:23 AM] avalock#0000 or well funds allocation [25-Apr-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 the margins on AUO EXT are pretty middling because it's relatively cheap on the CX already [25-Apr-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 but the weight isn't all that bad [25-Apr-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 `mat auo [25-Apr-24 02:19 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} AUO goldOre Category Ores Weight 3.86 t Volume 1 mยณ Used By SME [25-Apr-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 way better than FEO at least [25-Apr-24 02:20 PM] jvaler#0000 `mat feo [25-Apr-24 02:20 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} FEO ironOre Category Ores Weight 5.9 t Volume 1 mยณ Used By SME [25-Apr-24 02:37 PM] avalock#0000 yeah i more or less just want to focus on one market but diversify within that one market [25-Apr-24 03:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm sorry i'm spreading misinformation... AUO is actually pretty good now. seems the person who bought and is reselling all the AUO changed the price to be more reasonable {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1233152694533881856/image.png?ex=68148231&is=681330b1&hm=5eaeb6eab1aab59bf7588aa9ee6fcb954dcfaf86df8298a2deb5a325e7bf37ce& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1233152694869430332/image.png?ex=68148231&is=681330b1&hm=a0a4846d0780ab76087d3e1cbbb6810b318edaceaa0fe673014a7d4bc4502493& [25-Apr-24 03:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i just didn't notice cause i don't sell the AUO i mine to CX [25-Apr-24 03:29 PM] avalock#0000 word [25-Apr-24 03:31 PM] avalock#0000 sorry iโ€™m currently contact high om isoprop [25-Apr-24 03:31 PM] avalock#0000 i have no beain [25-Apr-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 how'd that happen? [25-Apr-24 03:32 PM] avalock#0000 i dropped a bottle and half of it spilled out on the floor [25-Apr-24 03:32 PM] jvaler#0000 oh damn [26-Apr-24 05:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I'm branching out [26-Apr-24 05:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm gonna start making NL and COT [26-Apr-24 05:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 PSL and PE by tonight, GL and SFK/MFK by tomorrow night and then i'm set [26-Apr-24 05:20 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 for a while anyway, want to save for a 3rd ship [26-Apr-24 11:52 AM] avalock#0000 love the corp ticker :giggle: [26-Apr-24 04:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Don't encourage him. [26-Apr-24 04:07 PM] avalock#0000 hecc [26-Apr-24 04:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 PSL is now in production {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [26-Apr-24 04:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 finally ๐Ÿ˜Ž [26-Apr-24 05:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Hell yeah let's crash this market {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [26-Apr-24 05:24 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Kinda shorted myself a little with O so i gotta remove it from my list for a while [26-Apr-24 05:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 also gonna slowly start shifting a lot of bulk/excess build up of materials to ANT to sell and free up base space. [26-Apr-24 05:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could help you ship things if you need [26-Apr-24 07:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I checked out LBH.AI1 and noticed there isn't actually enough LBH even if we buy all of it [26-Apr-24 07:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 For the PG bases [26-Apr-24 07:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 `math 192*3 [26-Apr-24 07:48 PM] FIDO#2937 576.00 [26-Apr-24 07:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @nyanism How much do you have ? [26-Apr-24 07:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can make some [26-Apr-24 07:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Full send the PP2 to make LBH for a few days [26-Apr-24 07:55 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I can also make some but I don't have a full base's worth [26-Apr-24 07:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a full base worth of PP2 [26-Apr-24 07:57 PM] tanda#0000 I can also contribute, I have the materials, just need to get them to nike [26-Apr-24 08:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Sounds like we can supply more if needed, @acramernc @m3tzg3r @evany. Are y'all still interested and do you have any cash on hand like leftovers from the grant ? Basically how much more would you all need ? [26-Apr-24 08:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The base plan: https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 (You can try building mixed housing but that's more $$$ just for 1 more POL) [26-Apr-24 08:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i got 19 PP2 on Nike, give me a day or 2 to ship the PE [26-Apr-24 08:15 PM] acramernc#0000 My current list {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1233587368527925299/image.png?ex=6814c583&is=68137403&hm=3958659394a38396f6c084913102d0047778a985edd09a78982bb995583caeb0& [26-Apr-24 08:15 PM] acramernc#0000 i have 600k AIC rn [26-Apr-24 08:16 PM] acramernc#0000 i have conts out for PSL and TRU, just waiting on those [26-Apr-24 08:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 How much are you willing to spend on the base ? [26-Apr-24 08:17 PM] acramernc#0000 all of it lol [26-Apr-24 08:17 PM] acramernc#0000 it's mostly grant money so i figurte that's what its for [26-Apr-24 08:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Estimation of funding required as of now (1.5mil for base, 200k for inputs): @acramernc - 640,000$ @m3tzg3r - 1.7 mil @evany. - 1.7 mil (One of these can be paid with sidepipe's help) Total - 2,340,000$ [26-Apr-24 08:23 PM] acramernc#0000 been trying to do as much prep as i can cause i won't be around tomorrow until ~27-Apr-24 05:30 PM [26-Apr-24 08:58 PM] evany.#0000 Yeah I could maybe put up 200k right now would need some time for that [26-Apr-24 09:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got enough PE to make 200 LBH [26-Apr-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @histidinedwarf And a special price of 1500/u [26-Apr-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For LBH [26-Apr-24 09:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Let's see how much stock we already have first and how much funding we get [26-Apr-24 09:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-24 09:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @sidepipe @Deleted User @archielvahr Are you interested in either giving some of the funding as grant/loan or fabs directly ? [26-Apr-24 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Actually I can just give the 200 LBH [26-Apr-24 09:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You sure ? That's quite a lot of cash and I didn't think you were doing massive numbers [26-Apr-24 09:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah itโ€™s fine ๐Ÿ‘ itโ€™s like 2 days of just LBH [26-Apr-24 09:23 PM] nyanism#0000 280 lbh [26-Apr-24 09:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 The plan is 3 bases of 24 POL each, all making PG? Or EPO too? Is the PG for sale on the CX, or is there a particular use case planned? [26-Apr-24 09:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 All planned to be sold on the CX. If we start producing too much we switch some POL to EPO and if we somehow make too much EPO, we switch to a different chem building [26-Apr-24 09:32 PM] nyanism#0000 switching building type shouldnt be in the plan? [26-Apr-24 09:33 PM] nyanism#0000 it does cost tons of monie [26-Apr-24 09:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If we make way too much PG AND EPO that nobody's buying it anymore we'll need to change plan, but I am humble enough to say that's not happening [26-Apr-24 09:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 EPO is good money and you won't oversaturate that market, although you will need a plan for the CL. [26-Apr-24 09:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 didja all get your 750k yet? [26-Apr-24 11:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think some of them have? [26-Apr-24 11:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 280 + Hal's 200 should be good enough, the rest we can fill with CX [27-Apr-24 05:11 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i probably won't be selling too much for a few days as i stock up ANT, feel bad everytime someone asks me for stuff and i ain't got it available {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’œ [27-Apr-24 03:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I looked through the AGP chat and I believe they all have [27-Apr-24 03:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can't speak for the others, but I'd be open to sponsoring one of the bases as either a grant or 0% interest loan with a pretty long term, whichever you'd be comfortable with [27-Apr-24 03:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 50/50 grant/loan sound good ? Either way it'd be a solid chunk off of the bill [27-Apr-24 03:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 That works for me ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Apr-24 03:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 I only mention the loan in case anyone doesn't feel okay taking free money. I'm not planning to make money off funding this, I just think it's interesting and want to see how it goes ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-24 03:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll update this one over time. ~2.3mil to go [27-Apr-24 03:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If this goes well we should try something like this on more markets. Become the inarguable #1 CX. If we just kept taking tons of free money we'd run out of steam quick. [27-Apr-24 03:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll fund the remaining 2.3m. [27-Apr-24 03:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Awesome ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-24 03:55 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Actual price tag likely lower because of Hal's 200 LBH and Nyannisms's 280 [27-Apr-24 04:11 PM] nyanism#0000 theres actually gonna be more of those LBH from both of us eventually, when would you like them delivered btw? [27-Apr-24 04:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I need to ask Metzger still but the other two seem ready to start whenever [27-Apr-24 04:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You think we should communicate with the Elon governor ? [27-Apr-24 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 always [27-Apr-24 04:29 PM] jvaler#0000 never hurts [27-Apr-24 04:37 PM] flor2081#0000 you wanna talk to Riseoffilth for that [27-Apr-24 04:37 PM] flor2081#0000 he's not the official gov but he gets the taxes and does all the stuff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1233894926039646369/image.png?ex=68149273&is=681340f3&hm=e4aa1fdfc4190f80a12dc654551347f2e9e711657a6187246e5d767c24db956d& [27-Apr-24 04:39 PM] flor2081#0000 I've got no clue whats going on and why you need to talk to them though ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 omg i forgot frozenice was with rise now lmfao [27-Apr-24 04:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 No idea either, there's a large amount of free PIO and SET available. [27-Apr-24 04:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 You'd be able to fill all bases in a POPR or two, but most likely in one go. [27-Apr-24 04:41 PM] flor2081#0000 bad timing that popr happened 30min ago hahah [27-Apr-24 04:41 PM] flor2081#0000 but yeah happiness is good, unemployment too, you're fine if you dont need tec or higher [27-Apr-24 04:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's alright then [27-Apr-24 04:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I thought it would be more fun to do it all in one go as a surprise [27-Apr-24 04:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't think it'd be massively noticed, but sure. [27-Apr-24 04:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Apr-24 02:39 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Iโ€˜ll supply my deimos base today and will be ready to start the new base this week [28-Apr-24 02:42 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Had a crazy work week thats why i was not as active [28-Apr-24 04:01 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Definelty going to need funding/mats tho ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜… [28-Apr-24 04:02 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Shouldnโ€™t we put at least 1-2 STO into it tho? [28-Apr-24 04:06 AM] Deleted User#0000 Can't really go wrong with an STO or two. [28-Apr-24 04:11 AM] flor2081#0000 unless you're doing some extremely light things like electronics, definitely at least 1 STO [28-Apr-24 04:16 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 kk because @histidinedwarf didnโ€™t include any in his base plan [28-Apr-24 04:17 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Anyone here know how i can get the regular apex interface on ipad? Even requesting desktop site through settings will just load the mobile interface [28-Apr-24 05:04 AM] jvaler#0000 might get more answers from the official discord, the actual devs are there too [28-Apr-24 05:06 AM] flor2081#0000 https://discord.gg/WTJaHP3ynz [28-Apr-24 05:09 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Thanks! [28-Apr-24 06:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 Keep in mind this is the weekend and they work on this game as a job, so. [28-Apr-24 06:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 Don't be too surprised if you don't get a reply. [28-Apr-24 06:12 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Yea makes sense, worth a shot tho [28-Apr-24 11:07 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Putting a STO is fine, one POL isn't changing anything. As long as the base has about 20 POL I don't care about the exact base layout. Just communicate how much MG you'll be needing to @tanda {Reactions} ๐Ÿคจ [28-Apr-24 11:32 AM] flor2081#0000 just saying, max POL layout is 24 POL, 1 STO, 4 HBB and 3 HB2 [28-Apr-24 11:39 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 @.urpalhal Seems like we are starting in a few days so you can start making the LBH if you haven't yet [28-Apr-24 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep I started last night [28-Apr-24 03:14 PM] darkgineer#0000 Anyone here know how i can get the [29-Apr-24 08:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone fancy taking a 3h course on lemon laws for me instead? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‹ ๐Ÿš— [30-Apr-24 04:33 AM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™ll do yours if you do mine [30-Apr-24 04:33 AM] evany.#0000 8hour asbestos course ? [30-Apr-24 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My LBH is at ANT in 3 hours [30-Apr-24 12:27 PM] acramernc#0000 I'll send my ship that way [30-Apr-24 12:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @Deleted User @sidepipe Could you start giving funds ? The distribution should go something like this: [30-Apr-24 12:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Instinct gets the 640,000 from Australis, the others get 830,000 each from him. Then Sidepipe gives a 425,000 grant to each Metzget and Evayoo and 425,000 in loan (Discuss what period of time would work but I think 7 weeks or longer is fine) [30-Apr-24 01:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 That works for me - are @m3tzg3r and @evany. okay with taking 0% loans? If not, I can do grants for the whole amount, either works for me. Just let me know what you prefer ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Apr-24 01:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Remember my 200 LBH are free [30-Apr-24 01:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 A little extra cash to throw around for inputs is nice. Try to distribute the LBH more or less equally [30-Apr-24 01:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just wanted to make sure you didnโ€™t forget ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [30-Apr-24 01:31 PM] acramernc#0000 if y'all want I can ship Hal's LBH from ANT to elon and we can distribute it there, save everyone a trip potentially? [30-Apr-24 01:39 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Grant or Loan i would be grateful for both [30-Apr-24 01:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll just send grants, that way everyoneโ€™s getting the same benefit ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Apr-24 01:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i doubt that'd save a trip, that much LBH per person isn't much [30-Apr-24 01:41 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 With the 2 full bases i should rake in some good profit [30-Apr-24 01:41 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 For a noob that is [30-Apr-24 01:43 PM] jvaler#0000 PG is good money for anyone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [30-Apr-24 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Soon, yes. [30-Apr-24 03:25 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ๐Ÿ‘Œ [30-Apr-24 03:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 For now let's try to sell PG at 37.50 with the idea that bids will be slightly lower. We may go down to 35.0 later [30-Apr-24 06:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sent out the 850k as grants to evayoo and metzger! [30-Apr-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 5th expert ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1235067642126008361/image.png?ex=6814e220&is=681390a0&hm=1a7af35d56538c5bb85b1f4d199667debaed27d59ad865e60905dfc7ea86db1e& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (5) [01-May-24 05:23 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 cheers man [01-May-24 05:29 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 @histidinedwarf are you already setting up? [01-May-24 09:19 AM] evany.#0000 sorry it took awhile to accept. had a long day yesterday [01-May-24 10:09 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I've had my base up making EPO for a week at least lol [01-May-24 10:09 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll switch to PG when people are set up [01-May-24 10:24 AM] nyanism#0000 i have these on ANT, for anyone that need dem LBH for PG project, send cont to "Nyannnism" agreed price is 2.5k i believe {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1235250474677047369/image.png?ex=6814e3a7&is=68139227&hm=b0785742b602c4ba5f1080a2b1430838e91e3a8a266db8e1412c7b954a56c3c3& [01-May-24 10:24 AM] nyanism#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1235250519212167291/image.png?ex=6814e3b1&is=68139231&hm=496b49c169c58b2d7571b774e2e7d646f3109119af26c31ce55dfc4b7df39190& [01-May-24 05:03 PM] acramernc#0000 @.urpalhal sent you `CONT NCMRU30` for ~1/3 of the LBH [01-May-24 05:03 PM] acramernc#0000 ignore the other cont, i forgot to set the right material [01-May-24 05:08 PM] acramernc#0000 @nyanism sent `CONT 1OETTC9` for LBH [01-May-24 05:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok I rejected both. Manually change the price to be 1 AIC afterwards [01-May-24 05:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No reason to pay extra [01-May-24 05:48 PM] acramernc#0000 sent a new one [01-May-24 08:40 PM] evany.#0000 are we supposed to contract you hal for lbh ? [01-May-24 08:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah, grab your third of the free LBH and then grab the remaining from nyannism [01-May-24 08:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I believe combined that's enough LBH to not even need the CX [01-May-24 08:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For 67 [02-May-24 10:54 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™m slowly shifting stuff back to ANT to stock up my internal prices [02-May-24 04:49 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 also, just realised i have too much LST on Nike so i'm gonna switch to BOR for a few days [02-May-24 05:07 PM] evany.#0000 nike or ant1 ? [02-May-24 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ANT [02-May-24 07:40 PM] nyanism#0000 123 LBH left on ANT, more will come later if you stil need em, i already supplied 2 ppl so the last one should be a few short, i'll try to move em to ANT asap [02-May-24 07:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Good to hear [02-May-24 07:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The PG must flow [02-May-24 07:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-dave-bautista-glossu-rabban-dune-coming-gif-18400787 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/on-my-way-dave-bautista-glossu-rabban-dune-coming-gif-18400787 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/i-9Tb_hm0GR-3NLZXUrHfsvvVp3tDW0hyZGmJlle3YU/https/media.tenor.com/dWyZkzq4xgUAAAAe/on-my-way-dave-bautista.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’œ [02-May-24 07:51 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Glad you fixed that. I stole all the spices. ๐Ÿ˜… [02-May-24 07:52 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1235755736374448209/image0.gif?ex=6814bff6&is=68136e76&hm=8f0b22d9e98805e6d9b403b5672ff6ed768c10fe2358e2447b6f6007393baa0a& [02-May-24 08:28 PM] evany.#0000 Hi, Should we open a contract to you ? [02-May-24 08:29 PM] Deleted User#0000 No. [03-May-24 03:11 PM] evany.#0000 you rejected ? [03-May-24 03:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah you only need to pay 1 AIC [03-May-24 03:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So I sent one for you 1 AIC [03-May-24 03:12 PM] evany.#0000 i see. a lot of conts to go through. was just confused thanks [03-May-24 03:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lol all good [04-May-24 11:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 as not finiancially viable as it is, i need to make my PG Farm a 2 permit base [04-May-24 11:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 the PG must flow ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [04-May-24 11:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 sometimes having a 2 or 3 permit base isn't horrible. I've had 3 permits on harmonia for a long time now [04-May-24 11:09 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 my Nike base is 3 permits already and i wanted to try have as little 2+ permit bases as possible [04-May-24 11:13 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 although it's not too bad rn, i can always reduce later in game when it becomes mega expensive {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-May-24 12:47 PM] archielvahr#0000 Nike is one of my only multi permit bases because the corp hq bonus is to good to pass up on. Especially with pp4s [05-May-24 05:39 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Should i start with the partial funding and upgrade the PG base later? [05-May-24 05:56 AM] flor2081#0000 About that, could you let your oog fellow know that we're losing engineers? ๐Ÿ˜… [05-May-24 09:56 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Start what you can while waiting for Australis [05-May-24 10:19 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ [05-May-24 11:09 AM] darkgineer#0000 Hello, folks. Please, advice. I've somewhat completed my construction pipeline at Nike with aluminum and glass from Deimos. I have 6 PP2 and 6 smelters for `AL` (and two glass furnaces). And I'm kinda stuck with what to do next? Biggest expenses for running this setup are smelting stuff (`C` >> `FLX` >>>> `O`) and basic consumables (`RAT` and `DW`). Should I aim to produce these things to be almost completely self-sustained or move in another direction? [05-May-24 11:13 AM] tanda#0000 Vertical integration isn't the worst idea, It's what I've done. It helps keeps costs down, but I find it somewhat logistically taxing given size of imports and exports. [05-May-24 11:14 AM] jvaler#0000 the thing with C is that it *looks* expensive, but making it in the current market isn't actually all that profitable. so you're not "saving" as much as you think you are when that money could be better spent elsewhere(more PP2 imo) [05-May-24 11:21 AM] jvaler#0000 things aren't suddenly worth less when you make them yourself and happen to consume them yourself. that money you saved comes from avoiding the CX, so it still has value tied to what it would have cost off the CX. you need to look at each item you want to make self-sufficient and assess if they're profitable to produce alone with no other factors, because that determines how much you're actually saving [05-May-24 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 PrUnPlanner has a function that allows you to see how much it would cost you to make an certain MAT [05-May-24 11:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would look there [05-May-24 11:28 AM] jvaler#0000 that's divorced from the product's value and leads to distorted perspectives on what's worth to produce the main screen already shows you delta profit without building degradation and that doesn't make much difference [05-May-24 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s true it does have that [05-May-24 12:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 From a different perspective, youโ€™d probably want two bases to make C (like harmonia and nascent, I think) - so Iโ€™d just look at those on their own and see how much youโ€™d make selling on the CX. Thatโ€™s how Iโ€™ve started evaluating these things. If theyโ€™re profitable on their own, theyโ€™re probably worth building {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-May-24 01:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 @evany. @m3tzg3r @acramernc money sent as per: [05-May-24 01:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If I were in your shoes, I'd just make whatever is most profitable and aligns with my end game goal (mine is to produce whatever helps people colonize) and not bother trying to be self-reliant. [05-May-24 01:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 INS is looking good if you still have space on Nike [05-May-24 01:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe something consuming PG since we're about to drop it [05-May-24 01:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 BDE stock when our bases get online: ๐Ÿ“ˆ๐Ÿ“ˆ๐Ÿ“ˆ [05-May-24 02:34 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† self-sufficiency as a factor alone isn't really important for a less established player. it only really matters once you start getting into the more thinly traded higher tier goods [05-May-24 02:53 PM] m3tzg3r#0000 Thanks mate! Iโ€˜ll build the base asap [05-May-24 02:56 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Tell us whenever y'all finish your bases [05-May-24 02:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 One of them still needs the LBH that Iโ€™ve got [05-May-24 03:02 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1236769923699576942/Screenshot_2024-05-05_130152.png?ex=68147bff&is=68132a7f&hm=f846328633aeeb6485d5f423ad4800a7b22a97596634b02cc724033c0e03f614& [05-May-24 03:02 PM] tanda#0000 MG went nutty today [05-May-24 03:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Wild [05-May-24 03:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What could be the cause [05-May-24 03:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Truly a mystery [05-May-24 03:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Unless it actually isn't us [05-May-24 03:03 PM] tanda#0000 I have about 3k in buffer for when that runs out that I can start feeding the bases as they drop [05-May-24 03:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh yeah, @evany. @m3tzg3r @acramernc, we have Tanda supply our own MG for future resupplies [05-May-24 03:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Though seeing this graph is fun [05-May-24 03:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Dean is salivating looking at this {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [05-May-24 03:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You should show this in the main server [05-May-24 03:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 10k units seems excessive so it might be somebody else. Idk if y'all are supplying a month ahead [05-May-24 03:10 PM] tanda#0000 hopefully not, lol [05-May-24 03:10 PM] tanda#0000 10k is rather sizeable to haul [05-May-24 03:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 `math 300 * 7 * 3 [05-May-24 03:10 PM] FIDO#2937 6,300.00 [05-May-24 03:19 PM] jvaler#0000 we're 100% insulated aren't we? don't see why it would be [05-May-24 03:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I am guessing people forgot we have our own MG [05-May-24 03:20 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It hasn't been very loudly announced [05-May-24 03:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean that's the whole point of a co-op right...? 5th expert utilization? oh well lol [05-May-24 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 whoever bought it, it was one person. 8k volume in the span of 5 minutes [05-May-24 04:20 PM] acramernc#0000 cont accepted [06-May-24 01:36 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 If you ever need any MG or MGS make a bunch too. [06-May-24 02:06 AM] nyanism#0000 Only 2 guy send me cont for LBH, are we good eith the PG base yet? Or should i hold on to them a while longer [06-May-24 10:13 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Who didn't get theirs yet ? [06-May-24 09:28 PM] nyanism#0000 Metzger, just realize the fund only came out a while back, so thatโ€™s understandable [06-May-24 09:31 PM] tanda#0000 @jvaler This is the current setup with Elon. No CoGC bonus and 3 experts at this point {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1237230194406850671/image.png?ex=6814d728&is=681385a8&hm=8388386d24b91c2f8f721c374e054612326668bfc2f4aab91aedd2d0bdd1e8bd& [06-May-24 09:31 PM] jvaler#0000 gonna price it assuming 5 experts, but good to know thx [07-May-24 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t think Metzger has gotten my LBH either, bc I still have enough for one person [08-May-24 08:19 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 who's trying to drop PSL price with me?... [08-May-24 08:19 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got some piled up, considering an attempt to push it down to 3k/u [08-May-24 09:44 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 @Deleted User sorry i accidentally let the contract expire :E [08-May-24 09:59 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 could you send it again? [08-May-24 10:54 AM] jvaler#0000 i could, but i should probably keep it in case of emergency for corp mates [08-May-24 01:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™m currently stocking up PSL rn. I will soon though [08-May-24 03:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got over 1000 piled up at BEN now. I'm just undercutting and asks and filling all bids of at least 3k. There's probably much more volume at ANT though [08-May-24 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 1000 damn. yeah mine wouldn't put a dent in anything lol sorry [08-May-24 06:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 sure it would, 1000 is probably overkill so I'm sending some to ANT as well [08-May-24 06:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 we build a whole base of PPFs for shipbuilding, but we don't have the next base in the supply line running yet, so they're just making all PSL to dump on the market to fund the next base ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [08-May-24 06:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 most of the other stuff moves slow, and I figured cheap PSL is good for everyone [08-May-24 06:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Planning a new base once I get my ship upgrades. Know of anything undersupplied/overvalued right now ? [08-May-24 06:57 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Current idea is DDT and some other chemistry stuff or BMP stuff [08-May-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 BMPs are very profitable, highly recommend\. hephaestus my beloved {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1237917689855606865/image.png?ex=6814b470&is=681362f0&hm=591c33869a9b08665203432697158767e0868c55d5c20200a44620d1cbf93bd7& [08-May-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1237917912954834964/image.png?ex=6814b4a5&is=68136325&hm=afbfcbd39a34351b46550b56ce6193b8d93f4622a64f1a36f55e437a68b6b047& [08-May-24 07:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Mhm, would probably be useful if I ever need to make governing consumables too [08-May-24 07:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Those may be good numbers, unfortunately you used 5 experts so I can't read this [08-May-24 07:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 smh [08-May-24 07:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 My goal is to make stuff to help settle more planets so it works out [08-May-24 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1093529378253721610/843A5021-FA9C-4C70-9D1A-5E84151D6D7D.gif?ex=6814ca18&is=68137898&hm=62b1e427dd785d5cf19f97b412f1b870ea1c7c3903b6624a6fa53933cc626f86& [08-May-24 07:11 PM] jvaler#0000 there will come a day where you are judged for your sins [08-May-24 07:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 No cat genocide within #associate-planning, please. [08-May-24 07:11 PM] jvaler#0000 apologies [08-May-24 07:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is strictly a common area activity. [08-May-24 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 as soon as I can get more BMPs on Elon, I'm going to start producing SEA, and OFF as well as PE [08-May-24 07:29 PM] jvaler#0000 seeing that base only half full makes me sad. if you'd like i can offer you a 0 interest loan to fill it out [08-May-24 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 honestly I'm mostly holding off due to ship upgrades! I'm reluctant to expand further on several bases due to logistics [08-May-24 07:30 PM] jvaler#0000 ah understandable [08-May-24 07:30 PM] jvaler#0000 BMPs can be intensive depending on the recipe [08-May-24 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I just shipped 2 loads of MGS out there in addition to what jvaler has been supplying me just so I have some buffer. Took two ships [08-May-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 jvaler... i think i know her [08-May-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 *squints* it's been a day I thought I was talking to someone else [08-May-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 failing at reading name tags! [08-May-24 07:34 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [09-May-24 10:03 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I've got enough to dump the bid price down to 39/u {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238144373796110439/Screenshot_2024-05-09_at_8.03.15_AM.png?ex=6814dece&is=68138d4e&hm=927bb90be6e283a9c54ffe4718b448c0a7cfe641275d041c9e246d7b5be73625& [09-May-24 10:04 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 How has everybody's bases been doing ? Set up yet ? [09-May-24 10:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 One of your 3 musketeers never got their LBH from me [09-May-24 10:06 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Apparently they didn't get their grant [09-May-24 10:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Mine is free [09-May-24 10:06 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 True [09-May-24 10:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @m3tzg3r come get your free 67 LBH ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ It just wants to be in the warm embrace of your warehouses [09-May-24 10:09 AM] Deleted User#0000 I sent out grants to everyone who was listed. [09-May-24 10:10 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 They let it expire ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [09-May-24 10:10 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'm about to resupply all my bases with 30d so I have no idea how much I'm going to have left after it. [09-May-24 10:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 Think last time it was about 7m to do so we'll see how much is left. [09-May-24 10:11 AM] Deleted User#0000 Sure I can liquidate something. [09-May-24 10:21 AM] acramernc#0000 i've got 10 PE plants running rn, i miscounted a couple of prefabs, so i'm waiting on those before building the rest [09-May-24 10:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 I can also cover the grant if that helps, just let me know ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-May-24 10:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 Should be fine. [09-May-24 10:29 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 PE ? [09-May-24 10:29 AM] Deleted User#0000 I've got a lot of afabs to go through before we have any issues. [09-May-24 10:29 AM] acramernc#0000 POL sorry, making PG [09-May-24 10:29 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 aight, sounds good [09-May-24 10:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 I forget youโ€™re in the high-value commodities ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-May-24 10:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 If we get really bad.. I've got 2k FIM. [09-May-24 10:30 AM] Deleted User#0000 Either way, we'll be a-ok. [09-May-24 11:04 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Yea i let the grant from @Deleted User expire i failed to accept the contract [09-May-24 11:04 AM] m3tzg3r#0000 Kk Iโ€™ll check when Iโ€™m home [09-May-24 01:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @nyanism is also offering LBH at I believe 2500/u [09-May-24 02:19 PM] pinecone_magg#0000 Thanks for the MCG @jvaler ! Setting up Lfab production on Nike {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [09-May-24 03:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh and buy MG from Tanda here. There isn't enough on the CX for all of us. 100 AIC per MG {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โค๏ธ [09-May-24 04:30 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i got 1000 at ANT, 45/u [09-May-24 04:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and a spare 300 MGS too [09-May-24 07:07 PM] acramernc#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-distorted-pointing-gif-17727854 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock-distorted-pointing-gif-17727854 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vHMAOMHyT-eEEfBbG-wuk4kKuJLJThFwSCowoqSc5Ts/https/media.tenor.com/mj-fLzpLRI8AAAAe/jontron-ill-take-your-entire-stock.png [09-May-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 dang that's cold [09-May-24 09:46 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Sent cont [09-May-24 11:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just send me a cont itโ€™s at ANT [10-May-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 meowdy, i have 530 :ALO: on Nascent, i donโ€™t have pro just yet, gotta get home and reget it :hehe: [10-May-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 you don't need to get pro for the sake of the contract [10-May-24 12:13 PM] avalock#0000 oh sweet :WICKED: [10-May-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Like, i don't want you to have to get pro [10-May-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 are you not able to accept them if i send them or do you also need pro for that? [10-May-24 12:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i don't want you having to spend you money for the sake of this [10-May-24 12:15 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 you get where i'm coming from? [10-May-24 12:16 PM] avalock#0000 i wonder, and yeag i get you [10-May-24 12:18 PM] avalock#0000 i think i can accept them [10-May-24 12:19 PM] avalock#0000 for the contract do you just need my name in game? [10-May-24 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think you need at least basic {Reactions} โœ… [10-May-24 12:21 PM] avalock#0000 wicked, i got basic [10-May-24 12:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Cool then youโ€™re good I think ? [10-May-24 12:27 PM] avalock#0000 @uncle_leslie69 how does 590 :ALO: @ 80 = 47200 sound [10-May-24 12:51 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Works for me, let me send you contract [10-May-24 12:51 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Nascent right? [10-May-24 12:59 PM] avalock#0000 yep! [10-May-24 12:59 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 let me send [10-May-24 01:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 sent it, made it 85/u [10-May-24 01:01 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 gives you some extra funds [10-May-24 01:04 PM] avalock#0000 oh iโ€™m guessing you need a ship here? [10-May-24 01:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Warehouse I think actually [10-May-24 01:04 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hmm, i just bought a warehouse [10-May-24 01:04 PM] jvaler#0000 590 needs 2 WAR [10-May-24 01:05 PM] avalock#0000 done [10-May-24 01:05 PM] jvaler#0000 1.35t/1m^3 [10-May-24 01:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 thanks, you can use the money for stuff now ig lol [10-May-24 01:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 you got any plans lined up? [10-May-24 01:06 PM] avalock#0000 started up a titanium mine :hehe: [10-May-24 01:06 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 oh, what you got planned for TIO? [10-May-24 01:07 PM] avalock#0000 just selling to the market, my only operation is mining ore [10-May-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what [10-May-24 01:07 PM] jvaler#0000 a2j?? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238553097157218376/image.png?ex=681509f5&is=6813b875&hm=7391f7a584185c0eb0c6b10477e1e41c5f577fefcc3c406e7408715991891b41& [10-May-24 01:08 PM] avalock#0000 :neko_nod: [10-May-24 01:09 PM] flor2081#0000 uh [10-May-24 01:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [10-May-24 01:09 PM] flor2081#0000 that doesnt look so great [10-May-24 01:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler bout to drop some knowledge [10-May-24 01:10 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 they can be my apprentice, average niche planet enjoyers [10-May-24 01:10 PM] jvaler#0000 SE-648c is the antares TIO (and O... really good cause it's liquid O) planet... it has resource extraction CoGC and pop to support bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238553784473620552/image.png?ex=68150a99&is=6813b919&hm=2f76282a0c2b02f9106c5c1ec88c9241f886fa2fab462f583863ede073af816a& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238553784876138516/image.png?ex=68150a99&is=6813b919&hm=62ca8aa73568c2fe8cf203cd93cf052926c4a0e90dde1d64ecf14e8e879e365c& [10-May-24 01:11 PM] flor2081#0000 fact that he already lost 40 of his 200 pio ๐Ÿ˜ญ [10-May-24 01:11 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: could move there [10-May-24 01:11 PM] jvaler#0000 it's got identical construction material requirements as A2J too so if you deconstruct ASAP you could reuse most of your materials [10-May-24 01:14 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah settling new planets is a bit more work than just plopping a base down unfortunately @avalock if you don't supply population infrastructure your workers will migrate away [10-May-24 01:15 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhh heard [10-May-24 01:15 PM] jvaler#0000 but it's definitely not impossible or even difficult really. i did it myself with hermes (KI-448b) [10-May-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 though it's lonely out here... [10-May-24 01:16 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m looking out for a silicone spot [10-May-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch [10-May-24 01:16 PM] flor2081#0000 nono [10-May-24 01:16 PM] flor2081#0000 should be fine if he has built something [10-May-24 01:16 PM] flor2081#0000 i dont think you need to supply any popi at all for just a pio base [10-May-24 01:16 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh that's right the life support metric [10-May-24 01:16 PM] flor2081#0000 your natural health and safety that 1 base gives is enough [10-May-24 01:16 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m zooming out already lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [10-May-24 01:17 PM] flor2081#0000 if you build some buildings you'll get the pop (in time) [10-May-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 inch resting [10-May-24 01:18 PM] jvaler#0000 WU-070a is the main SIO supply of antares afaik. it has a metallurgy CoGC to smelt on-site [10-May-24 01:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i think because the deposits are so rich you don't need many EXT to supply the SME [10-May-24 01:19 PM] avalock#0000 heard, so i could sell to local market too [10-May-24 01:19 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe ๐Ÿง but i doubt it's as lively as deimos or nike down there [10-May-24 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 only 16 people on the planet according to plots [10-May-24 01:20 PM] avalock#0000 i do have a little appeal for spots with not a lot [10-May-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~come make a demeter FRM -> hermes FP/FER base then~~ [10-May-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 don't actually do that, you haven't gottem a harmonia or norwick base yet [10-May-24 01:22 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m only for mining :hehe: sorry [10-May-24 01:23 PM] jvaler#0000 based actually [10-May-24 01:23 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m doing SIO, ALO, and TIO cause they seem lighter than the others [10-May-24 01:23 PM] avalock#0000 and once i can iโ€™ll branch into AUO, CUO, LIO [10-May-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [10-May-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 well if you ever get a WCB elon mining is actually really nice [10-May-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 lemme pull up the numbers [10-May-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 40-50k/d is what you should expect from AUO/CLI here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238557750305493103/image.png?ex=68150e4a&is=6813bcca&hm=3a053ebb0ab23a892c2e2ce37f391502893b6902339b555715a9dd119bc7ea2d& [10-May-24 01:26 PM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: [10-May-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not bad considering there's no inputs to worry about other than consumables [10-May-24 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 the MGS is rich too and apparently even more profitable [10-May-24 01:28 PM] avalock#0000 i wonder how much volume MGS has [10-May-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 but the daily/weekly traded units on CXM are kinda low so be careful with that full MGS out of 14 EXT is 493/d which dwarfs the traded volume {Attachments} 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at 200/u, but that's mediocre profits [10-May-24 01:32 PM] jvaler#0000 i gotta go pick my brother up now tho [10-May-24 01:32 PM] jvaler#0000 cya later [10-May-24 01:34 PM] avalock#0000 o/ [10-May-24 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 well in the context of mining it might not actually be bad profits [10-May-24 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 okay actually going now lol [10-May-24 04:46 PM] avalock#0000 How would Norwick SIO be :woopsHmm1: [10-May-24 04:49 PM] jvaler#0000 can't check right now but pretty meh if not outright bad i predict [10-May-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 has worse deposits than WU-070a on top of not having a relevant CoGC [10-May-24 04:50 PM] avalock#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238609066549317652/image.png?ex=68149555&is=681343d5&hm=64032744fe2ee96642375987dfefb2bb87c4fab4a92ec23df351ebccf6d05d4d& [10-May-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait they're on par [10-May-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i remembered it being like 2/3 [10-May-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 huh [10-May-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 okay then maybe it'd be fine [10-May-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 it's COGC is food which :Bleh: but that number looked good and I was like [10-May-24 04:51 PM] avalock#0000 :chaewonVibin: [10-May-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 well WU-070a is also metallurgy so if you're not smelting on-site it makes no difference either way [10-May-24 04:52 PM] avalock#0000 yeah true, I'm probably not :hehe: [10-May-24 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 this seems really export intensive though {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238610288417439764/image0.jpg?ex=68149679&is=681344f9&hm=3ebf78bc4a52a21d4168badfff6970aea11da234a20f4731505685ed4c4d79bb& [10-May-24 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 780 SIO/d [10-May-24 04:55 PM] avalock#0000 yeaaah, I would really need to update my ships to be able to hold the amount [10-May-24 04:55 PM] flor2081#0000 which is why most people do smelt on site haha {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-May-24 04:56 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: I don't want to really smelt [10-May-24 04:56 PM] jvaler#0000 understandable [10-May-24 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 for my first few months of playing i wanted to do nothing but metallurgy and metallurgy adjacent things... but now i do everything ๐Ÿ˜” except electronics, fuck electronics [10-May-24 04:57 PM] avalock#0000 yeah, like the children, I yearn for the mines [10-May-24 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 so real [10-May-24 04:57 PM] avalock#0000 :minee: [10-May-24 04:58 PM] avalock#0000 smelting is for people who live in pittburgh, and I dislike the steelers [10-May-24 04:58 PM] avalock#0000 Go bills baby [10-May-24 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 those are sports teams right i'm too gay to be into that โ˜น๏ธ [10-May-24 05:00 PM] avalock#0000 I'm too gay to not like the bills [10-May-24 05:05 PM] avalock#0000 but yeag, I think I'll keep Norwick on my radar [10-May-24 06:50 PM] jvaler#0000 it'll be interesting i don't know of anyone else who's done that, though i haven't checked any plots there [10-May-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 well, I have been looking at doing SEA, so I'm going to need SI [10-May-24 09:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 I wanted to do a full metallurgy biggest smelting empire when I first started. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ค [10-May-24 09:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 I fully support any one who wants to only do one thing. [10-May-24 10:55 PM] avalock#0000 My idea is generally just that I can be apart of one market and not spread myself tooo thin [10-May-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 oh yeah, @Deleted User for the 750k does one need pro for it [10-May-24 10:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 Or basic. [10-May-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 I got basic [10-May-24 10:57 PM] tanda#0000 My dream is to make so much money I can hand out grants too [10-May-24 10:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 Why do you ask? [10-May-24 10:57 PM] avalock#0000 :hehe: I had gotten the one grant before, but was wondering what the conditions were for the 2nd [10-May-24 10:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Oh. [10-May-24 10:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean we don't typically do a 2nd grant, since the idea is the 750k, any additional money after that is typically as needed and if things align. [10-May-24 11:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 If we had people regularly taking 2nd grants that may put too much pressure on the funding. [10-May-24 11:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 What did you have in mind though? [10-May-24 11:00 PM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: heard [10-May-24 11:01 PM] avalock#0000 It was mostly just for expansion, was wanting to upgrade ships at some point [10-May-24 11:07 PM] avalock#0000 oh i should say the first one was 250k [10-May-24 11:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 You received 750k. [10-May-24 11:10 PM] Deleted User#0000 Avacyn AAT 250,000 08/01/24 Avacyn AAT 500,000 30/01/24 [10-May-24 11:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 But give me a day or two to sort some stuff out and I can probably help you out. [10-May-24 11:13 PM] avalock#0000 :0_think: huh i think thereโ€™s a mistake on my end [10-May-24 11:15 PM] avalock#0000 i wish i could see back that far on my financials [10-May-24 11:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 I mean there's always the chance the sheet is wrong, it is manually inputted after all and isn't well maintained anymore.. but it makes sense you'd have gotten it since we did the catchback on 500k for everyone at the same time. [10-May-24 11:19 PM] avalock#0000 yeeee i donโ€™t think youโ€™re wrong, iโ€™m off my computer so i got mobile financials and they only go back 7 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238706988091969536/IMG_4871.png?ex=6814f088&is=68139f08&hm=e6715962540bdff682027e0a6864f7c3ab801b7d35a6eed7537fc26b0f7287b9& [10-May-24 11:19 PM] avalock#0000 but these are my figures [10-May-24 11:20 PM] avalock#0000 i donโ€™t know if iโ€™ve lost 250k in assets, while also selling materials [10-May-24 11:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 You quit for a while, did you not? [10-May-24 11:20 PM] avalock#0000 yee [10-May-24 11:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 Building degredation probably did a number depending on how long it was. [10-May-24 11:21 PM] avalock#0000 ahhhhhhh okay [10-May-24 11:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 But I mean 500k current with nearly 80k liquid, depending on how much you've done since you came back.. it doesn't look too wrong. [10-May-24 11:21 PM] avalock#0000 yeah it makes sense now [10-May-24 11:23 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what's the difference between equity and "current assets" [10-May-24 11:26 PM] avalock#0000 idk lmao, thereโ€™s this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238708911780134912/IMG_4872.png?ex=6814f252&is=6813a0d2&hm=889cee6b08bb329ce185311626aeee0ccd4b12b4f8f2f966489a579be16c9f08& [10-May-24 11:28 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god that whole command is a wall of nonsense to me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238709295416213554/image.png?ex=6814f2ae&is=6813a12e&hm=64de78543074d7f673b36b96d398e2d3b061ab2c91b012329e1600f1061c35b4& [10-May-24 11:28 PM] jvaler#0000 i still have no idea how long a "period" is [10-May-24 11:28 PM] Deleted User#0000 Mon-Sun. [10-May-24 11:28 PM] jvaler#0000 oh [10-May-24 11:28 PM] jvaler#0000 huh [10-May-24 11:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 FINIS is funny. [10-May-24 11:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238709685121454132/image.png?ex=6814f30b&is=6813a18b&hm=509a378c6e9c049bad5b633bef30858a34e3c4afcab247665c2a0512c017aa2c& [10-May-24 11:30 PM] avalock#0000 thank you for the clarification iโ€™m big dum sometimes :eavNyehe: [10-May-24 11:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 Nah no worries, it was nearly 5 months ago anyway. [10-May-24 11:30 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can't even remember yesterday. [10-May-24 11:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 XIT FIN is much better ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [10-May-24 11:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 God bless those who have converted me to the true gospel of XIT [10-May-24 11:31 PM] jvaler#0000 especially after the new chart update [10-May-24 11:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 May angels sing their praises forever [10-May-24 11:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 New chart update? [10-May-24 11:32 PM] avalock#0000 i donโ€™t remwmber like 5 hours ago [10-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 i am a goldfish [10-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 i just [10-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 :minee: :ALO: [10-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 then the people take it [10-May-24 11:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 My only thought is Antares. [10-May-24 11:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :digging: [10-May-24 11:33 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it uses a new library or something so you can now resize the chart and hover specific points for details {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238710673022652426/image.png?ex=6814f3f6&is=6813a276&hm=440c0fcc86d3abd0722300bdf3ed97dd3a7e579044aa5c3a6a949f53213078df& [10-May-24 11:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 Huh. Mine looks nothing like that. [10-May-24 11:34 PM] avalock#0000 giving one out of every 17 units of ore i mine a kiss so they know its good quality [10-May-24 11:35 PM] jvaler#0000 have you updated lately? pretty sure i have to do it manually every time an update comes out [10-May-24 11:35 PM] jvaler#0000 you also have to click the refresh button when you resize the buffer to get the chart to fill out the buffer [10-May-24 11:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Firefox auto updates and I have no option to manual update, I'd reinstall but I'm not redoing all my custom inventory sorts and notes. [10-May-24 11:36 PM] Deleted User#0000 Weird. [10-May-24 11:37 PM] jvaler#0000 your version is 1.12.2? hm {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238711483291009094/image.png?ex=6814f4b7&is=6813a337&hm=ae3b77661351da2fa9fd7301e2bd786a58af635864cbb4a53e22b666d534699c& [10-May-24 11:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238711563360145488/image.png?ex=6814f4ca&is=6813a34a&hm=b24e4e36ab9c56a81422e0de1feed03cb88bb853611380346299a4aca404a0aa& [10-May-24 11:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes Ma'am. [10-May-24 11:37 PM] jvaler#0000 mkay well idk... [10-May-24 11:38 PM] jvaler#0000 fyi you can export notes but not inventory sorts afaik cause those are screen specific :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238711869938601994/image.png?ex=6814f513&is=6813a393&hm=e74285aa1147c5b626b933984c92f020ba4ea279a97237f2689c5743a495ac69& [10-May-24 11:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Woe for my ability to procrastinate a five minute task. [10-May-24 11:39 PM] avalock#0000 i wish notes were in game, my brain just forgets too easily [10-May-24 11:39 PM] avalock#0000 like [10-May-24 11:39 PM] avalock#0000 non extension [10-May-24 11:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 It does seem like something that should be default. [10-May-24 11:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Same with the in built calculator. [10-May-24 11:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Then again, we should have multicontracts by now. [10-May-24 11:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [10-May-24 11:40 PM] jvaler#0000 damn you molp [10-May-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 โ€œi need this for a habitatโ€ \*opens market tab* โ€œi forgorโ€ [10-May-24 11:41 PM] Deleted User#0000 Notes have saved my mental state when dealing with resupply. [11-May-24 11:15 AM] acramernc#0000 time to start breaking the MM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238887316974735421/image.png?ex=6814efb9&is=68139e39&hm=0777887ad70a02ebcf3dcaa27778b6e8e143833db488c6edd8518a1e5e8bd76b& [11-May-24 11:19 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Holy MM [11-May-24 11:21 AM] acramernc#0000 easy 3.8 mil lol [11-May-24 11:21 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 At full output we can get through it in 6 days [11-May-24 11:22 AM] jvaler#0000 speaking of @tanda sent you 224 MGS {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 11:22 AM] acramernc#0000 we should probably keep some sell orders out below his so people buying from ask aren't undoing our work lol [11-May-24 11:23 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I suggest sell orders for 39 [11-May-24 11:23 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I put some up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-May-24 11:25 AM] acramernc#0000 i have all 24 POLs setup, so hopefully i will start pumping out PG now just need to work on getting my buffer up [11-May-24 12:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 regarding the older conversation: Firefox and Chome versions of the pmmg plugin have different plotting libraries [11-May-24 12:35 PM] tanda#0000 Thanks for funding my habit [11-May-24 01:03 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 What is a good planet to make rations at? [11-May-24 01:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Norwick is the typical choice, especially if youโ€™re farming on Harmonia {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-May-24 01:05 PM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 Danke [11-May-24 01:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 Aber immer doch ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-May-24 01:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What should I grown on harmonia? GRN or HCP? [11-May-24 01:14 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 depends, i do HCP because i farm my own C [11-May-24 01:15 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but might be better off making GRN if you want to make RAT [11-May-24 01:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah idk ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ I started it to start making my own C too [11-May-24 01:16 PM] akyantor#0000 That's interesting. I'm making C, but using GRN rather than HCP. Is HCP more efficient? [11-May-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not sure ๐Ÿค” [11-May-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Would need to look at it [11-May-24 01:20 PM] akyantor#0000 Looks like HCP is cheaper to make C if you're buying it when compared to GRN [11-May-24 01:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 You probably don't want to buy agri products like that. [11-May-24 01:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Majority of people produce their own. [11-May-24 01:20 PM] jvaler#0000 @uncle_leslie69 @.urpalhal for single input :carbon: GRN is strictly superior, HCP is considerably slower to grow {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238918706587762870/image.png?ex=68150cf5&is=6813bb75&hm=97786271542398f2c3bc55fb9fc0b66d52431fc7fdac0d9103e3e050cf45b096& [11-May-24 01:21 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I think that's why I settled on GRN as I was growing my own to make C [11-May-24 01:21 PM] akyantor#0000 I've not experimented with trying to multi-ingredient recipes to see if some other combination is better [11-May-24 01:21 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but do you not need 2 plants types? [11-May-24 01:21 PM] realharvey#0000 you can run any recipe. Depending on the inputs it will be slower or faster at producing carbon [11-May-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 that's why i specified single input [11-May-24 01:23 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're looking at double input then your choices are between GRN and MAI because HCP is a given {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238919410698424440/image.png?ex=68150d9d&is=6813bc1d&hm=878f6e6654fa849399491fbc9b881040190d7e574a261f4a46da44ca1a4f3eb5& [11-May-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 and between GRN and MAI, GRN is faster to produce {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238920021909180539/image.png?ex=68150e2f&is=6813bcaf&hm=dab850e34038fdb4ae973b0c244244d9f1cf4199c86aecb54287e0d04b769fef& [11-May-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 so that's why i run GRN+HCP in my nascent :INC: [11-May-24 01:27 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 hmm, i just need to utilise my Harmonia base more, because i'm running low on C [11-May-24 01:27 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 like i use more than i make [11-May-24 01:27 PM] akyantor#0000 I probably need to do some reoptimisation, as I think the HCP/GRN may make more sense now I have more than one farm. [11-May-24 01:27 PM] akyantor#0000 I didn't really look at it again after expanding. :S [11-May-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 how many INC do you have and where? [11-May-24 01:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 23 INC on 759g [11-May-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wow [11-May-24 01:30 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 but i'm about to upgrade my PG & Manufacturing base so i need more C for PG as well as more for my AL [11-May-24 01:31 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so yeah, running dry lol [11-May-24 01:33 PM] realharvey#0000 My bases consume around 100 C a day. I produce none of that ๐Ÿ˜… [11-May-24 01:34 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i think i'll need to just start using my own C for PG/Manu [11-May-24 01:34 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and buy C for AL [11-May-24 01:34 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 only option really, don't have enough to do all without making another base [11-May-24 01:34 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 could look into nascent in the future [11-May-24 01:37 PM] jvaler#0000 okay with 13 FRM you can produce GRN:HCP at 5:2 and consume it double input:single input at 1:2 166/d is about the most C you can get out of that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238922923054596209/image.png?ex=681510e2&is=6813bf62&hm=c016a3dadc8b247c867d2288fbd3f52ba7d351709b8ab29138dcca9017df55b6& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238922923444535396/image.png?ex=681510e3&is=6813bf63&hm=78f10fc0675f4b1e44f1b8c66812a8557b071fef709be4feec56fded6b91c548& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 01:37 PM] avalock#0000 Now that my mines are being more established, I think its time for conservative growth :PeepoSitBusiness: [11-May-24 01:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah that's better than just HCP because i'm at 144/d rn [11-May-24 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I need to send food to Harmonia so I can get my farm goingโ€ฆ. [11-May-24 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve been busy doing many other things ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [11-May-24 02:18 PM] tanda#0000 I want to set up a RAT production facility to offer cheaper RAT to ADI members, just not sure how to go about it [11-May-24 02:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 Definitely farms on harmonia and FP on norwick to start with. Thatโ€™s what I do ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-May-24 02:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t tell anyone, but I actually still have 3 permits on Harmonia to feed Norwick [11-May-24 02:26 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I already have Harmonia farms, they're feeding my carbon production [11-May-24 02:26 PM] tanda#0000 I was actually looking at doing triple permit on Harmonia [11-May-24 02:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 ................ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ (3) [11-May-24 02:27 PM] realharvey#0000 I dont think there are enough reasonable agrar planets to be Carbon Producing and also making enough RAT to feed others^^ [11-May-24 02:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, youโ€™d likely need HYF. Still profitable, but expensive [11-May-24 02:28 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that is what I'm coming up against [11-May-24 02:28 PM] realharvey#0000 running HYF you'll also get very thirsty :D [11-May-24 02:28 PM] tanda#0000 and I'll be honest, I don't have the ships for the water needs [11-May-24 02:28 PM] realharvey#0000 so you need to be able to also move alot of water [11-May-24 02:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 The SE110 system is great for HYF [11-May-24 02:29 PM] tanda#0000 I've been looking at that one for a while, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet [11-May-24 02:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 If you decide to go for it, let me know - Iโ€™ll sell you cheap INS ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-May-24 02:31 PM] realharvey#0000 I think the HYF materials are also kinda expensive [11-May-24 02:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yessir. Iโ€™ve been wanting to start making the MHL as well to encourage people to settle there [11-May-24 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help out getting LFAB and BFABs [11-May-24 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 SE 110 bases [11-May-24 03:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok how should I should I balance 13 FRM with 14 INC? [11-May-24 04:03 PM] tanda#0000 it looks like the breakeven there for double burn is at 12 INC [11-May-24 04:04 PM] tanda#0000 for single burn with just GRN, you can supply 31 INC [11-May-24 04:05 PM] tanda#0000 Double Burn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238960176040771654/Screenshot_2024-05-11_140458.png?ex=68148ad4&is=68133954&hm=6f55bcef75eff3881bbe00f8a5c28ad3be39c6b65d5f6f6bc45957045535de00& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238960176699015188/Screenshot_2024-05-11_140505.png?ex=68148ad4&is=68133954&hm=80db057c8d8284b1f22eb35c43d93e6325c90eff85490ab0a074209dbeb3a8be& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 04:06 PM] tanda#0000 Single Burn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238960529305768007/Screenshot_2024-05-11_140623.png?ex=68148b28&is=681339a8&hm=d105e3397d50dd6c9563cf9a5f7c7213bbf33fb0a43a0b215c6299f6fa4ce8ad& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238960530035834970/Screenshot_2024-05-11_140631.png?ex=68148b29&is=681339a9&hm=f04541494182b3327f4d7b09df7e3c9b83858a8b095287a9f87e1f6cf43220b4& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 i also have that building count ingame, but i use some of my harmonia prod to get ~5.5 RCO/d so my ratios won't work for you quick testing shows a 3:4 GRN:HCP ratio fits decently into a 14:3 double input:single input ratio {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238961104118349905/image.png?ex=68148bb2&is=68133a32&hm=eaf2971b58948729c091db1fff5e42c842174f6f76f7688e94cc366aea7242ba& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1238961104374206577/image.png?ex=68148bb2&is=68133a32&hm=d6b4d0db696d15b00277a4d79395f29e6ab9c7a2b4e40b3ab05a5359cde5c2c9& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 04:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thanks guys ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ [11-May-24 04:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you just trial and error this or do you have smart mathy ways to figure it out? [11-May-24 04:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could do like a system of eq to figure that ish out butโ€ฆ Iโ€™m lazy [11-May-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 it's just trial and error, but not entirely blind you can recognize which direction you're off by and close in on it with more and more precision you just have to balance precision with how long you make your order times {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-May-24 04:52 PM] evany.#0000 don't forget to factor in experts at some point [11-May-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 everything i do assumes 5 experts :) [11-May-24 04:52 PM] evany.#0000 your so baller [11-May-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr [11-May-24 04:53 PM] evany.#0000 i wonder what a level 5 expert smells like [11-May-24 04:53 PM] evany.#0000 do they shower? [11-May-24 04:53 PM] evany.#0000 hmmm [11-May-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 they smell like freshly printed paper [11-May-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 i'm 51% towards lvl 4 expert [11-May-24 04:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 On Nike? [11-May-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 maybe next year i'll have lvl 5 [11-May-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 no on deimos [11-May-24 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 next year?? how many SME are you at? [11-May-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 nike not far behind tho. 21% [11-May-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 6 sme [11-May-24 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah that'd be pretty slow :/ [11-May-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 nike 9 pp2 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ (2) [11-May-24 04:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not bad [11-May-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 elon 23 ppo {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ [11-May-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 he will probably be lvl 5 before nike or deimos [11-May-24 04:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [11-May-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ [11-May-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 funny [11-May-24 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 probably [11-May-24 04:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Use the stonk profits to get mad money [11-May-24 04:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And expand [11-May-24 04:56 PM] evany.#0000 how aluminium stock look hal [11-May-24 04:56 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/you-got-any-gif-26357631 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/you-got-any-gif-26357631 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MZo4YuU9YFROWLIH9dNW2rIC7pmc7TwLH8s0bGKtlMs/https/media.tenor.com/b2x0jXsXTdAAAAAe/you-got.png [11-May-24 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got some ๐Ÿ˜Š [11-May-24 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Want 200? [11-May-24 04:58 PM] evany.#0000 like a stripper that seen your pocket of 1's {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [11-May-24 04:59 PM] evany.#0000 sent [12-May-24 04:01 AM] pitic_heavy_industries#0000 do we need anything specific? [12-May-24 10:35 AM] akyantor#0000 I did wonder the same. I had a look at the internal prices offered, and doesn't look like anyone is regularly providing EPO & PG. I was thinking of going that route perhaps. If that would be helpful. [12-May-24 10:37 AM] Deleted User#0000 There's multiple people making PG now. [12-May-24 10:37 AM] akyantor#0000 Maybe just not on the most recent version of the sheet. [12-May-24 10:38 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 4 people making PG full time now [12-May-24 10:38 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 And dumping it on the CX [12-May-24 10:38 AM] akyantor#0000 Ok, so probably not PG then ๐Ÿ˜› [12-May-24 10:39 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 EPO is still good but I am worried it will go down by a lot too if PG producers switch [12-May-24 10:39 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, the number of potential directions to go is somewhat bewildering. Trying to plan out my next step, but need to build up cash for the next expansion first, so time to give it thought. [12-May-24 10:42 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Do you have an endgoal in mind ? What you are working towards ? [12-May-24 10:42 AM] realharvey#0000 the market is changing constantly. If you plan something try to be able to switch to other products quite easily to react {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 10:44 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm not sure yet. I've been looking down the various production chains to try and figure out where to specalise. [12-May-24 10:45 AM] akyantor#0000 At the moment, I'm down the Carbon / simple plastics route, which was simply as that looked like a fairly straightforward way to roll some of the C I'm making into something that made a higher profit margin. [12-May-24 10:45 AM] akyantor#0000 Need to do some more research to establish a proper longer term goal [12-May-24 10:53 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 My personal goal is making the colonization of farther planets easier, because I think it's cool, so I try to make fabs, red planet consumables, and infrastructure consumables. You could also do that, you could be making ship parts or fuel (fuel profit gone up recently) or booze for higher tier pops [12-May-24 10:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 my goal is ๐Ÿ“ˆ , but I keep doing ๐Ÿ“‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [12-May-24 10:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeh sounds about right [12-May-24 10:55 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 There's a lot of in-corp trading for higher tier stuff so I think it'd neat to help supply those things on the CX, like R and A fabs [12-May-24 10:55 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 A mixed PP3 and PP2 base would be making bank rn (like mine) [12-May-24 10:55 AM] akyantor#0000 In fairness, I'm only 22 days in, so also just trying to not go bankrupt. ๐Ÿ˜› [12-May-24 10:56 AM] realharvey#0000 I agree on this. I am doing the same. But I do provide almost all MAT's for that other than AL and STL myself [12-May-24 10:57 AM] akyantor#0000 I've dabbled a little in slightly further along materials. Made a couple of batches of NR, which to my surprise sold surprisingly quickly given the order chart looked like relatively thin trading. [12-May-24 10:57 AM] akyantor#0000 I think that's a building block for the more complex A fabs [12-May-24 10:58 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah sometimes you can get lucky with that. I posted a decent chunk of RSE recently and it got all bought up in minutes [12-May-24 10:59 AM] akyantor#0000 I don't know that I'd want to go mad focusing on just that, as for someone early on doesn't look like purchases are all that regular. [12-May-24 10:59 AM] akyantor#0000 But might be a way into building construction modules for me later on [12-May-24 11:00 AM] realharvey#0000 It can certainly be difficult. Some products take a day to sell and others a week or even more. At the beginning it is quite difficult to keep the base running when the stuff is not selling [12-May-24 11:00 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, that's why I've started doing EPO, and selling an overage of C... they look like they're always in demand, so will be reliable enough to keep paying the bills at the start. [12-May-24 11:01 AM] realharvey#0000 you can also switch to PG pretty easy [12-May-24 11:01 AM] realharvey#0000 that CL can get expensive for EPO tho. [12-May-24 11:02 AM] akyantor#0000 I've a base on Griffenstone so have been making my own CL too. Though now I seem to have a pile of NA that isn't seemingly worth very much as a biproduct. [12-May-24 11:03 AM] realharvey#0000 thats a solid plan. You reduce your own risk by alot [12-May-24 11:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 @akyantor depending on the route you want to take, the NA can be turned into THF for INS. And you can use your CL and C for DDT as well [12-May-24 11:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 you can join me as one of the very few domestic antares suppliers of DDT ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [12-May-24 11:07 AM] akyantor#0000 I did see that was an option. Found a planet that has the AMM, so could be self sufficient in production. I wasn't sure how in demand THF was though. [12-May-24 11:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 not super on it's own, though you can sell batches of it every now and then. the extra step to turn it into INS is expensive, but worthwhile [12-May-24 11:07 AM] akyantor#0000 I've spent a lot of time traversing up and down the production tree ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-May-24 11:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wouldn't make your own THF because the CX already has enough [12-May-24 11:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 You're way ahead of where I was 22 days in ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-May-24 11:08 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 And in general if it's available on the CX it's probably not needed to make it yourself [12-May-24 11:09 AM] sidepipe#0000 atm I make ~590 INS a day, which consumes ~25 THF a day. So what's on the CX would last you for quite a while [12-May-24 11:10 AM] akyantor#0000 I hadn't really looked at DTT. An interesting option, as have most of the ingredients already... just would need to mine more to get the CL. [12-May-24 11:11 AM] akyantor#0000 I also thought about getting my own H... but seems very thin margins on that and would require a lot of logistics as you'd have to sell in bulk. [12-May-24 11:12 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 A lot of logistics for something you buy at the CX for dirt cheap... [12-May-24 11:12 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, didn't seem worth it... [12-May-24 11:12 AM] jvaler#0000 most resource extraction options are like that. i'd avoid until you're later game and you feel like doing it just because you want to {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 11:12 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 @sidepipe Does your DDT actually get sold out ? I looked at maybe making some but I am spooked by the low buy orders [12-May-24 11:13 AM] akyantor#0000 A healthy ADI grant certainly helped. Also had a 1% loan from someone on Harmonia for 200k. Just need to pay that down now with profits from the production line head start I received. [12-May-24 11:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 pretty regularly - I post another 100 every week or so [12-May-24 11:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 not to tell all my secrets, but there's also good arbitrage opportunities between the different CXs for it quite often [12-May-24 11:16 AM] akyantor#0000 Looks like there's fairly regularly a day when the volume is greater than 100 [12-May-24 11:16 AM] sidepipe#0000 There's a few folks that resupply every week or so {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 11:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 and then occasional bids of 800 @ 3.5k or something like that. that was a good week. I use a lot of my own DDT and sell the excess [12-May-24 11:17 AM] akyantor#0000 I guess if you're already doing a bunch of food production, it's a perk to sell any overage of DTT [12-May-24 11:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yup ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-May-24 11:19 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have a full base of labs making mostly DDT. I'd recommend a smaller scale and using some of the labs for something else if you go that route, unless you plan on using the DDT yourself. There can definitely be times where it sits in inventory for a while (so if you go full-bore into DDT I can't guarantee you'd be able to sell all of it at ANT) [12-May-24 11:23 AM] akyantor#0000 I've a single lab at the moment, which is how I made the NR. I'm probably going to expand chem/polymer plants before labs, as they're quite a bit cheaper to build at the stage I'm at. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [12-May-24 11:23 AM] akyantor#0000 The lab can be to experiment a bit [12-May-24 11:27 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm guessing this is what was meant by multiple people going into PG production... just as well I picked EPO! https://discordapp.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1239250999626174547 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239252642836906075/image.png?ex=6814f276&is=6813a0f6&hm=c51e3ee367ab3ba6aa6564666010a270ed772c33406cf58ae608fce45de5fb5b& [12-May-24 11:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No interstellar Gaia is not in our group I believe {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 11:56 AM] jvaler#0000 they're not on any discord either afaik. i tried contacting them before and couldn't find them on discord, and they don't talk ingame [12-May-24 11:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 What a whale ๐Ÿณ [12-May-24 11:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 they're on UFO [12-May-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 OH [12-May-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 i was thinking of someone else [12-May-24 11:57 AM] sidepipe#0000 and the source of most of my wealth, so I can send a message if you need ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-May-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 that's allocater [12-May-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 who was it i'm thinking about then... [12-May-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 hm [12-May-24 12:09 PM] realharvey#0000 hows that? did they give you a loan? [12-May-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 He sells all of his DDT to that guy? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [12-May-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So makes a lot of money off him? [12-May-24 12:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1231168997345460286 [12-May-24 12:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I help out with this in exchange for commission, basically [12-May-24 12:18 PM] akyantor#0000 I don't get EDC. Is it not just a printing press for money with the ADI market maker? No inputs, just just upkeep of workers. [12-May-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 I applied for that, waiting list is out to the end of the month currently [12-May-24 12:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 we're working on it. lots of fabs to move around ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-May-24 12:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The Malahat EDC base? [12-May-24 12:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sort of? I suppose it depends on your perspective. It's profitable right now (though it's been nerfed several times), but it 1) injects money into the game to prevent deflation 2) drives up the prices of the input goods (rfabs, FIM, DW etc etc) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 12:21 PM] akyantor#0000 I guess that's fair. Not cheap to build. [12-May-24 12:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 There's definitely mixed views on it. I think it's pretty well balanced overall, since it's pretty expensive to set up, and money in the game needs to come from somewhere. It'd be interesting to see how much of the galaxy's consumables go towards EDC / IDC, but there's probably no way to know for sure [12-May-24 12:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't think prun would be very fun with deflation ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-May-24 12:31 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I haven't seen evidence of it protecting against deflation really. I see no reason to believe making the MM price lower would make a big difference until it's actually tried [12-May-24 12:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Literally every single base drives up the costs of input costs, though Rfabs being used more is nice [12-May-24 12:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 A risk free money source for wealthy players that doesn't interact with any other player needs to have a lot of evidence to back up why it should be tolerated [12-May-24 12:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 imo, the issue is market makers generally - if you remove EDC / IDC, it would just move to some other good where the MM profit is good enough to be worth generating tons of. Since MMs are the only source of new currency other than 50k per new player and faction contracts, I assume there'd be deflation otherwise [12-May-24 12:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 In an environment where there are no MMs, it's a lot easier to create new goods than new money, assuming no other changes to the system [12-May-24 12:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 Even real life has risk-free money sources for wealthy players ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-May-24 12:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 140k risk-free is excessive. It makes EDC the inarguable most optimal strategy if you are wealthy. Real life government treasury bonds don't 10x your money like if you bought into crypto early and even if they did, what happens irl is irrelevant to the game design if it's not fair or fun [12-May-24 12:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 140k 0 experts + CoGC [12-May-24 12:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The initial investment is high and the ROI slow but that just means only established players get to make use of it [12-May-24 12:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And at the end of the day it's just not fun [12-May-24 12:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm sure there will be more changes to it in the future. I think they already reduced the MM from 13k to 11.5k recently [12-May-24 12:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I should clarify, the real life comment was more of a joke. I think the game acceptably diverges from real life in many ways ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ [12-May-24 12:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 but like I said, mixed views. I def don't think this system is a perfect one, but it's also not horrible. I think there's lots of room for player interaction since there's only so many electronics planets and only so many permits (and rfab makers etc etc). I assume long-term they'll lower the price of EDC to where it's not risk free, but then there's probably other MMs that would get targeted instead. [12-May-24 12:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 imo, the game needs some risk-free source of income since that's one of the big requirements for financialization as we know it. I desperately want to be able to sell futures / options to people, but it just doesn't make sense without a risk-free rate of some sort [12-May-24 12:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe some MM farm for new players would work to keep away deflation. Like some commodity you make with pioneers that gets you 30k daily or smthn [12-May-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 (it probably also doesn't because there's no real long-term price risk to worry about with most things that are well-traded enough to sell options for) [12-May-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 there's lots of those, but other players buy them for more than the MM ๐Ÿ˜‰ [12-May-24 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 in my dreams, we can buy T-bills from antares (A-bills?) [12-May-24 12:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've thought about this a fair bit - I think part of the problem currently is a lot of the higher tier commodities are used so infrequently that there's not necessarily a huge incentive to move up the chain of production. My big point in favor of EDC is that there's lots of bases consuming those Rfabs and mid-tier consumables to print money. I'd personally prefer to see the money printing even higher up the chain than EDC, since all of the high-tier commodities drive demand for the lower tier stuff. Of course, I have no evidence to back any of this up, either [12-May-24 12:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's tough to know for sure since a lot of the higher-tier stuff is bought and sold privately anyway [12-May-24 12:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'd like to believe that we can eventually get there with stuff like the PG bases. Make all the low tier stuff not very profitable and make new bases to be made for higher tier stuff, maybe eventually pull the in-corp trading on the CX [12-May-24 12:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 At the end of the day the problem is not enough players but it is what it is ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [12-May-24 12:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think you're more 'player-driven' where I'm more 'game-led' ๐Ÿ˜„ [12-May-24 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 you watch your tongue but 100% agree, for something "risk-free" it's stupidly profitable [12-May-24 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh right, we use 3 experts here ๐Ÿ˜‰ [12-May-24 01:00 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ก {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ (2) [12-May-24 01:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think the devs made too many commodities for too small of a playerbase. Hard to think how it can be fixed now without more players [12-May-24 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 100% agree [12-May-24 01:01 PM] jvaler#0000 the variety of commodities wouldn't be an issue if they had more uses imo [12-May-24 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 so many things with a single very niche use case far outside of normal gameplay [12-May-24 01:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 even if you don't get there, you'll make plenty of money along the way ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-May-24 01:05 PM] tanda#0000 did that last PG base ever get off the ground? [12-May-24 01:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't think so :( [12-May-24 01:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Eh, we can do it with three [12-May-24 01:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 did someone not get their money for the base? [12-May-24 01:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Metzger got sent the grant from australis and then let it expire, after which I hadn't heard from them [12-May-24 01:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 They seem busy [12-May-24 01:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah, got it - if they show back up and australis isn't around, I can cover the base [12-May-24 01:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 assuming everyone's not rolling in PG money by then ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-May-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง๐Ÿง๐Ÿง https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183252341776982137/1238910225621454899 [12-May-24 01:17 PM] jvaler#0000 something weird is happening [12-May-24 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think Metzger let it expire and then asked again to get the supplies for it? He just barely got the 67 LBH that I gave to him like yesterday? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-May-24 07:27 PM] archielvahr#0000 Well when the game launched the EDCs were 16k each. Feb 2023: 16000 โ†’ 13000 January 2024: 13000 โ†’ 11500 And still, they weren't the MM of choice for many many months. People were making UTC because the cost of getting engineers and scientists was too high, and many luxury goods weren't available. But as the market matured and everythign became available on the CX... EDCs got really good. And even with the nerfs they are really good. Probably too good. They aren't entirely without risk, because the FIM price could go crazy- there's small risk on the supply side and not much on the demand side.. (Although the last dev nerf came in unexpected, and if you are doing an EDC operation, I think you need to take potential EDC nerfs into consideration). Anyway, I do think it would be way more fun and interesting to go back to drone manufacture as a MM and money printer [12-May-24 08:31 PM] tanda#0000 you all make me feel kinda dumb [12-May-24 08:31 PM] tanda#0000 I just like the logistics aspect [12-May-24 08:31 PM] tanda#0000 the economics makes my head spin! [12-May-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 :MenheraWave: This is your friendly local :minee: :ALO: Do what is fun to you, you don't gotta play perfect comrade :Salute: [12-May-24 09:31 PM] jvaler#0000 i run loads of mediocre bases just cause i like them ๐Ÿ˜Œ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239404596888211536/image.png?ex=6814d73a&is=681385ba&hm=a64135701510fe882dd9376e9a74412665d8f0b20c52c2bf36ac363decfa24fc& [12-May-24 09:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 As opposed to turn-based ? [12-May-24 09:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What does real-time mean [12-May-24 09:32 PM] jvaler#0000 as in not planned bases [12-May-24 09:32 PM] jvaler#0000 they reflect what i have in-game [12-May-24 09:32 PM] avalock#0000 Real-time vs. Speculation I'm guessing? :hehe: {Reactions} โœ… [12-May-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 could have called them "in-game" instead but it'd be a hassle now to change them [12-May-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [12-May-24 09:33 PM] avalock#0000 nah, I like the naming convention [12-May-24 09:34 PM] jvaler#0000 ty [12-May-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 I should make some speculation bases real quick, but also kinda want to yolo things :giggle: [12-May-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 on prunplanner [12-May-24 09:38 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a fun pastime [12-May-24 09:39 PM] avalock#0000 Mining industry Plans :minee: [12-May-24 09:40 PM] jvaler#0000 you know i bet nike could use more LST miners for the LM. since you don't wanna do construction it could be a good opportunity [12-May-24 09:41 PM] avalock#0000 I could set up a base there pretty quickly too [12-May-24 09:41 PM] avalock#0000 :0_think: [12-May-24 09:42 PM] avalock#0000 maybe ask for some grant funds in #agp-general for setup [12-May-24 09:42 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [12-May-24 09:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't consume much LST, but i could reliably buy 70-100/d(depending on my MCG ratios on heph) off of you for a good price [12-May-24 09:45 PM] jvaler#0000 though that doesn't really put a dent in the production of a dedicated LST base so don't make that a big consideration lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239408046237814927/image.png?ex=6814da71&is=681388f1&hm=e5eb52d97ef0f650b257287cbcafb11a1387e48c0e4d0df0a93025153c2ebe7e& [12-May-24 09:47 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: I won't, it would just be some vibes [12-May-24 09:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could buy some LST off you too [12-May-24 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 there's a lot of LST already around on the LM, but I would totally use an ADI preferentially [12-May-24 09:48 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah hm ๐Ÿง used to be a lot sparser a few weeks ago [12-May-24 10:49 PM] avalock#0000 i should look at what minerals could be good for myself, i barely have, been more about ores [12-May-24 11:38 PM] jvaler#0000 HAL is a mineral {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239436593908023307/image.png?ex=6814f507&is=6813a387&hm=82d287bf891ff3bf1efde67e027a77baabf24761eca0bc1381cac198dde2c24d& [12-May-24 11:39 PM] jvaler#0000 decent demand from CL production {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239436891451953202/image.png?ex=6814f54e&is=6813a3ce&hm=fd62b3299295a92205c3e8da322fbcce13aa11449aa70b47675cbb3321c4ecd5& [13-May-24 12:17 AM] avalock#0000 probably build 1-2 STOs [13-May-24 12:17 AM] avalock#0000 or is it like super light [13-May-24 12:18 AM] jvaler#0000 the first screenshot has a logistics breakdown {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239446664347914281/image.png?ex=6814fe68&is=6813ace8&hm=1a3e5ccd1e5e6884c6fe33e5d8f7a57caa5d7027a54dd3c7034b07de390fba67& [13-May-24 12:20 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: whoops iโ€™m dum [13-May-24 12:22 AM] jvaler#0000 it's okay lol [13-May-24 12:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Hal is me [13-May-24 12:29 AM] jvaler#0000 you are a mineral [13-May-24 12:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes I am salty rock [13-May-24 12:30 AM] jvaler#0000 no you're not a rock [13-May-24 12:30 AM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/minerals-schrader-gif-16578507987878135018 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/minerals-schrader-gif-16578507987878135018 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YcWBbi69_4DEKjuu_YqGl36DS2VYNjapwbOFe0ScWX4/https/media.tenor.com/5hKxLaNzxOoAAAAe/minerals-schrader.png [13-May-24 12:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‹ [13-May-24 12:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m a crystal โœจ [13-May-24 12:31 AM] jvaler#0000 so true [13-May-24 12:47 AM] avalock#0000 when i see a tasty rock [13-May-24 12:47 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNomnom: [13-May-24 01:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Spoken like a true geologist [13-May-24 01:06 AM] avalock#0000 they made a job for the crystal people?? :PanWoah: [13-May-24 01:09 AM] avalock#0000 :giggle: sorry [13-May-24 01:12 AM] jvaler#0000 no way https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/251122472034893830.webp?size=96&quality=lossless {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/251122472034893830.webp?size=96&quality=lossless https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/l37Qyb51fPZcxRTKtF1fZxqv7tlbqZBW2iU21_bQPnY/%3Fsize%3D96%26quality%3Dlossless/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/251122472034893830.webp [13-May-24 04:43 AM] scorpio089#0000 maybe I should introduce Tags to PRUNplanner ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-May-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 My PG base will be pumping out 4600 in a day or 2 [13-May-24 06:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And my manufacture base to follow shortly after making 19 NL too [13-May-24 11:41 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183252933157081328/1239310537901346867 I can help you with building materials for your Nike base, BSE, BBH, BTA etc. [14-May-24 10:13 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Pricey {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239958792490451014/Screenshot_2024-05-14_at_8.01.34_AM.png?ex=6814e11d&is=68138f9d&hm=a94cc64a7c35b6674565be88f00caabf2ff2acf2449a4ac997a04be530bfb5c2& [14-May-24 10:14 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Getting the cheap WCB upgrades for both ships. Should I be worried about getting shipping contracts for them instead of sending out my ships out there ? [14-May-24 10:17 AM] realharvey#0000 If they are ship upgrades you need the ships there anyway? [14-May-24 10:18 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Well the plan is to deliver them to ANT and upgrade from the Deimos shipyard or something [14-May-24 10:18 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't wanna wait 4 days back and forth to use my ships :( [14-May-24 10:23 AM] realharvey#0000 there is a shipyard in the System of the CX [14-May-24 10:23 AM] realharvey#0000 that reduces the traveltime to move it [14-May-24 10:24 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 yes [14-May-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 *Moria [14-May-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd fly one ship there and use a shipyard over there [14-May-24 10:24 AM] realharvey#0000 otherwise you'll loose alot of time moving it [14-May-24 10:25 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 I still don't get why not get a shipping contract from MOR to ANT [14-May-24 10:25 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Do they take long to be filled ? [14-May-24 10:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I moved my shipparts from ANT to HRT and I regretted that decision [14-May-24 10:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I was constantly in fear that someone does not deliver it haha [14-May-24 10:27 AM] realharvey#0000 Getting them Shipped from MOR to ANT would save your ships time. But I would not build em on deimos [14-May-24 10:27 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd use that shipyard in ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1239962384697659492/image.png?ex=6814e475&is=681392f5&hm=decfbb5f6725cae49ddf9400157903661f53ea9a2e5cdda8fc73b1e53bffeca4& [14-May-24 10:28 AM] realharvey#0000 waiting for the shipping from ANT to HRT took me 5 Days [14-May-24 10:33 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can always send 1 ship, upgrade there, and bring everything else back to ANT. That way you only have one ship out at a time [14-May-24 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 This sounds like a good compromise [14-May-24 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 I hope that LHP istnt also at MOR. This would take two WCB trips [14-May-24 11:10 AM] sidepipe#0000 If it is and you don't feel like making two trips, let me know. I'll need some for repairs soon and fly out to MOR semi-regularly, so I can buy it off you at ANT prices & you can just buy what you need at ANT [14-May-24 04:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Somebody just bought 20 PG at 40/u [14-May-24 04:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also now there's 35k more PG to go through in bids [14-May-24 04:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We'll get through it all eventually [14-May-24 04:19 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rich-king-crown-money-cash-gif-17571826 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rich-king-crown-money-cash-gif-17571826 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Q2kuUhh8pRuv2Yoywq3Ca4_Bh-Swny0qxg9gKT0T_ok/https/media.tenor.com/2vHljP-diQQAAAAe/rich-king.png [14-May-24 08:58 PM] evany.#0000 ya mine sold fast too [14-May-24 08:58 PM] evany.#0000 honestly the day i looked when i brought back 1000 units i was concerned cuz there was less than 2000 units being purchased i was like "this is the demand?" [14-May-24 08:58 PM] evany.#0000 but i guess ijust had a crazy day. [14-May-24 09:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The bid price is still above what we're going for (37.50$) so you can sell instantly. Try not going below that [14-May-24 09:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But considering the craziness with C we might want to try 38.00$ first and see how it goes [15-May-24 06:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm reducing my PP2 on Nike from 19 to 14 and putting in 4 PP1's to make me BTA and BDE cheaper {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [15-May-24 06:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 plus, in memory of Australis, i am reducing it from 3 permits to 2 [15-May-24 06:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 lol [15-May-24 06:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 still gonn hate me for having more than 1 lol [15-May-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NNG95Hb0gCDWesNubETsq9d73fpxlHw0BqHzXjnXUR0/https/media.tenor.com/OKRGg9-OnEwAAAAe/kurt-kurt-angle.png [15-May-24 06:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 multi permit slut {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [15-May-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 wow [15-May-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 new sentence {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [15-May-24 06:17 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-May-24 05:03 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 PG production will be upped tonight, NL and PE to follow in the next few days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ (2) [16-May-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 Stop. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [16-May-24 11:41 AM] Deleted User#0000 I hate that. [16-May-24 11:41 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OFSDZqBD7InqhXO3hmeHMQ50DhDXQT9m3rAHPYhxKSU/https/media.tenor.com/YD4NHdBWKjMAAAAe/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-May-24 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 why do we hate multipermits ? [16-May-24 02:23 PM] acramernc#0000 inefficient [16-May-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 a new base grants 475 area to use, a base extension only grants 250 area [16-May-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 so you get less value per permit [16-May-24 02:27 PM] jvaler#0000 and permits are valuable [16-May-24 02:29 PM] evany.#0000 ah ha. that makes sense [16-May-24 02:29 PM] evany.#0000 follow up q uestion as i'm looking to upgrade my ship(s)- do they use more fuel ? is it significant? should i leave one noob-only ship ? [16-May-24 02:30 PM] evany.#0000 or should i try to upgrade both ships? [16-May-24 02:30 PM] evany.#0000 i guess i'm asking: is there any negatives associated with upgrading [16-May-24 02:33 PM] jvaler#0000 being able to carry more weight will cause you to use more fuel, but it's still *way* more efficient than if you were making multiple trips with a smaller cargo bay the thing with upgrading starters though is that there's no real need to upgrade your reactor or engine because the basic ones work just fine and you won't get any refund for those basic parts. [16-May-24 02:35 PM] realharvey#0000 Whoever is running all those shipyards is super careless with shipparts that get replaced. It should at least refund a little bit [16-May-24 02:35 PM] evany.#0000 obviously the majority of my trips my ships aren't full say 300/500t - and if i upgrade both ships it will just be 300/1000t but situations where earlier in the week i had to do 7 trips with both ships to complete an AL move.. in the future that would only be 3 full trips [16-May-24 02:35 PM] evany.#0000 but was just wondering if it makes sense to leave one "stock" or upgrade both; its probably a negligent amount though [16-May-24 02:38 PM] jvaler#0000 the community consensus is that everybody should try to upgrade both of their starters to WCB ships (3000t/1000m^3). the reason it's a WCB and not an LCB (2000t/2000m^3) is because the volume of a ship determines what kind of crew quarters and FTL emitters it requires. because you get no refund you want to minimize the amount of ship parts you need to replace when upgrading. an LCB hits harsher breakpoints for ship infrastructure than a WCB does because of that extra 1000m^3 volume so even if you ship goods that are 1:1 mass:volume, it's still cheaper and more cost effective to upgrade into WCBs [16-May-24 02:38 PM] evany.#0000 oh sorry. 3000T not 1000T [16-May-24 02:39 PM] acramernc#0000 you can always build out a blueprint with `BLU` and test it to see the running cost changes [16-May-24 02:40 PM] jvaler#0000 a WCB fits 1000 AL, your metallurgy logistics will become a breeze {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-May-24 02:41 PM] realharvey#0000 And it's totally worth it to save up for that upgrade instead of a smaller cargo load [16-May-24 02:42 PM] jvaler#0000 the change in flight time between a starter and an upgraded starter is so negligible it's basically not a consideration, especially because you're keeping the standard engine which is stronger than a fuel saving engine [16-May-24 02:43 PM] evany.#0000 thanks much you guys. i just wanted confirmation of that that i was worrying over nothing like a nubbins [16-May-24 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 np [16-May-24 02:44 PM] jvaler#0000 a lot of the information about ships is pretty vibes-based so you'll get a better feel for it the more experience with it you have [16-May-24 03:15 PM] evany.#0000 what happens if you add permits then overbuild then take the permits back? [16-May-24 03:16 PM] evany.#0000 buildings get destroyed? land owner sends additional taxes? someone shows up at my door maybe [16-May-24 03:16 PM] evany.#0000 or i suppose maybe it just doesn't let you. [16-May-24 03:16 PM] evany.#0000 I suppose the latter makes the most sense, even if its the least fun [16-May-24 03:18 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah it just wont let you {Reactions} โœ… [16-May-24 03:19 PM] flor2081#0000 remove button will me greyed out [16-May-24 03:19 PM] evany.#0000 rats [16-May-24 04:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 7 CHP pumping out FLX & 20 POL making PG ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [16-May-24 04:18 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i love inefficiency [16-May-24 07:16 PM] evany.#0000 does someone have a sec [16-May-24 07:16 PM] evany.#0000 opening the BLU thing trying to compare what the "enhanced WCB" is listed [16-May-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 per whats listed here: https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202257500213366804/1202257500213366804 [16-May-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 i dont see anything listed "WCB" or anything like it though. [16-May-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240820477740449842/image.png?ex=6814b7df&is=6813665f&hm=c7b5f8ea5fdb571da97e8e1a3d6c611f967f35a79de7742f89454f028fadf33f& [16-May-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 you can open those up as MAT buffers [16-May-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 `MAT WCB` will tell you it's actual name [16-May-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 aka high load cargo bay {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [16-May-24 07:18 PM] evany.#0000 oh ffs lol okok [16-May-24 07:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 whigh load cargo bay. the 'w' is silent ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-May-24 07:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 that always bothered me because HCB isn't a material [16-May-24 07:22 PM] evany.#0000 final question then hopefully. how do i compare it to my ship to buy the necessary plates and such that are missing? [16-May-24 07:22 PM] evany.#0000 i need to price that out to make sure i can afford it [16-May-24 07:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can start a project at a shipyard to upgrade from your existing ship to the new blueprint [16-May-24 07:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 and the project will tell you what it needs [16-May-24 07:23 PM] evany.#0000 that seems.. too late doesn't it ? [16-May-24 07:23 PM] evany.#0000 he expects me to bring the plates and such when i send the ship [16-May-24 07:23 PM] evany.#0000 so i just guess how many i need ? [16-May-24 07:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can do it without the ship {Reactions} โœ… [16-May-24 07:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 so the upgrade won't start until you deliver all the materials and the ship and press start, I believe {Reactions} โœ… [16-May-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 you'll have to start the shipyard upgrade project to get an evaluation, which locks your blueprint :/ you can always cancel the project, no commitment there, but you can no longer modify or delete the blueprint (only rename it) [16-May-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 i always read it as "weight cargo bay" as opposed to "volume cargo bay" for VCB [16-May-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 even though it should be mass... [16-May-24 07:25 PM] jvaler#0000 but MCB is already taken by the medium cargo bay [16-May-24 07:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 I like that explanation [16-May-24 07:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 the LCB holds the most water too, so... liquid cargo bay? [16-May-24 07:26 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง  [16-May-24 07:32 PM] evany.#0000 sorry maybe i'm confused. > I do not provide the hull plates or SSC needed for the upgrade. so i need to figure that out but in order to figure that out I need to take it to the shipyard which is 40 hours away (at MOR?) i have to take a ship there to determine how many plates i need then come back (another 40 hours) - buy the plates and send it back again with the plates and upgrade at his ship dock(another 40 hours back) then wait another ~30 hours for build then another 40hour trip home? holy hell thats like 8 days im out of commision for i better make sure shit is stocked up lmao [16-May-24 07:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 okay hold on a second, let me get some screenshots [16-May-24 07:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 don't send any ships anywhere yet [16-May-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 nonono you can start a project without anything anywhere [16-May-24 07:33 PM] evany.#0000 i'm not he isn't ready for 9 days he said [16-May-24 07:33 PM] evany.#0000 oh. i convert this blueprint into a project? [16-May-24 07:34 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240824699974455346/image.png?ex=6814bbcd&is=68136a4d&hm=f095c4770bef9a5f2dde8c9bd2966e40819d0e8e00e2a487082c0802b0cbfbaa& [16-May-24 07:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 They'll give a better explanation but you only need to send the ship to MOR and back once to get the ship parts, then you buy plates and SSC at ANT and send the ship to a shipyard on some ANT planet to upgrade [16-May-24 07:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 do `SHY ZV-307c` [16-May-24 07:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's for the shipyard at Hephaestus, just as an example [16-May-24 07:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240825025624539277/image.png?ex=6814bc1b&is=68136a9b&hm=5c709bbff0480c74b69439e440e5864d0e20c32d05311db6babe660f9959659c& [16-May-24 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240825032536625182/image.png?ex=6814bc1d&is=68136a9d&hm=6c9d7503548116b36b3240c481dc502d0abee520d73c211c75a5c384c0c42a52& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240825032863911976/image.png?ex=6814bc1d&is=68136a9d&hm=9ba295e79fef9a50d53b6b885bfe595bd4a946f98d163f1bb86637db60a160b6& [16-May-24 07:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† I'm too slow haha [16-May-24 07:36 PM] evany.#0000 ah when i did SHYP it just gave me an extra thing with no way to add to it [16-May-24 07:36 PM] evany.#0000 SHYP zv- works though [16-May-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 the project will sit waiting for both the materials and ship for however long you want, and both can be fulfilled asynchronously [16-May-24 07:37 PM] evany.#0000 so i don't need to use him i just need the components from him [16-May-24 07:37 PM] evany.#0000 realistically i don't even need to go pick it up i can have the components shipped back to ANT [16-May-24 07:37 PM] evany.#0000 and i can just update it like a proper ANTARES at heph [16-May-24 07:37 PM] jvaler#0000 SHY not SHYP. SHY is the first screenshot and SHYP is the second screenshot. SHY is the shipyard structure and SHYP is a specific project with an arbitrary identifier code [16-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 exactly [16-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 they're just selling you components and you can construct/upgrade the ship on your own time whenever you want [16-May-24 07:39 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240826070341652560/image.png?ex=6814bd14&is=68136b94&hm=6bf01000b918913a8bc96998dd70d22a35e3eaff0ab6ab5876c8c5f3112d6b38& [16-May-24 07:39 PM] evany.#0000 so THIS is all i need. ok thats so much saner [16-May-24 07:40 PM] evany.#0000 and more in line with what i expected, i might add [16-May-24 07:40 PM] evany.#0000 that makes so much more sense [16-May-24 07:40 PM] jvaler#0000 hooray ๐Ÿ™Œ [16-May-24 07:40 PM] evany.#0000 thank you both [16-May-24 07:40 PM] jvaler#0000 np :) [16-May-24 07:41 PM] evany.#0000 you have no idea how much pain you saved yourself by helping me because when igfloz starts looking at upgrades now ill just screenshare and walk him through it hahahaha [16-May-24 07:41 PM] jvaler#0000 you'll be doing LHP right ๐Ÿคจ [16-May-24 07:42 PM] evany.#0000 i was looking at LHP! [16-May-24 07:42 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wonderful lmao didn't realize you two were together [16-May-24 07:42 PM] evany.#0000 but its not part of WCB enhanced [16-May-24 07:43 PM] evany.#0000 we've played crap like this since '08 [16-May-24 07:43 PM] evany.#0000 so ya we go back a bit ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-May-24 07:44 PM] evany.#0000 oh LHP is so cheap i have to put one on [16-May-24 07:44 PM] evany.#0000 what else is worth it. be careful i don't have much bank! [16-May-24 07:45 PM] jvaler#0000 really that's about it [16-May-24 07:46 PM] evany.#0000 hyper power reactor sounds faster.. 3parsec/h to 30 parsec/h [16-May-24 07:47 PM] jvaler#0000 HYR are prohibitively expensive for questionable returns in speed [16-May-24 07:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't know the actual math for reactors but you can test flight times CX <-> CX with the test button in `BLU` [16-May-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 those long flights are where they make the most difference afaik [16-May-24 07:48 PM] evany.#0000 BNAHAHAHA [16-May-24 07:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm also upgrading rn and just getting WCB and LHP. Maybe you could use a bigger FTL tank but it's not necessary even for CX to CX trips [16-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 they're getting one with an LFL and MSL [16-May-24 07:53 PM] evany.#0000 honestly its actually a lot faster. 38hours to 19 hours.. so its a ton ton faster. but mate look at that fuel consumption wowY {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240829396906938408/image.png?ex=6814c02d&is=68136ead&hm=ca3a82cff2496f061d3683444161807a3e8d42150f35bbfd04a8cb3f5ba921ad& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240829397276295279/image.png?ex=6814c02d&is=68136ead&hm=2ba8b39d8b52bbec80a20109f16a7a9ba5d059d084edd4f3dfcae90e88012869& [16-May-24 07:53 PM] evany.#0000 3x the fuel [16-May-24 07:54 PM] jvaler#0000 yk i've found that BGS are actually somewhat useful in upgraded starter WCBs because they don't have an underpowered FSE(fuel saving engine) BGS have no effect if the engine isn't strong enough for max acceleration to become a bottleneck, and FSE don't have enough acceleration on a WCB to hit that, but a starter engine does. i'd save that upgrade for later when you get a faction contract paying you to upgrade a ship though. the BGS is so small it doesn't hit any volume thresholds to require more emitters or hull plating so you can add it anytime [16-May-24 07:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh christ i'd never run that much fuel lmao maybe that's why i didn't see much benefits in testing [16-May-24 07:55 PM] evany.#0000 i mean fair [16-May-24 07:55 PM] evany.#0000 its almost certainly out of my budget anyway [16-May-24 07:55 PM] evany.#0000 but since i had it open ill share the knowledge {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [16-May-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah you wanna keep the starter reactor and engine cause they're perfectly good [16-May-24 07:56 PM] evany.#0000 thats 17.3k aic in FTL alone for a one way trip [16-May-24 07:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ตโ€๐Ÿ’ซ [16-May-24 07:57 PM] .shiva.#0000 So the FSE is only really worth for a new construction? [16-May-24 07:57 PM] evany.#0000 i wonder if theres _ANY_ one doing that and making a profit. i feel like its easier to scale on the macro side with bigger buffers than ever worry about speed like that [16-May-24 07:58 PM] evany.#0000 i'd say yes [16-May-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 correct [16-May-24 07:58 PM] evany.#0000 if your gonna be putting that 700k down anyway.. sure why not spend 20k more and halve fuel [16-May-24 07:59 PM] evany.#0000 infact had i known your starter ships were 'worth' that much early game [16-May-24 07:59 PM] evany.#0000 i probably would have deconstructed it to sell the components to fund my early game [16-May-24 07:59 PM] jvaler#0000 you can't deconstruct ships :P [16-May-24 08:00 PM] evany.#0000 fk [16-May-24 08:00 PM] evany.#0000 welp good thing i got a 100k loan from someone then [16-May-24 08:00 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [16-May-24 08:00 PM] evany.#0000 then weeks later they introduced me to here and you've been stuck with me ever since ๐Ÿ˜› [16-May-24 08:01 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah i think a WCB is gonna be in the next steps for me, my diemos base is full now, and boy would it be helpful [16-May-24 08:02 PM] evany.#0000 mines still developing and yeah mate. its gonna be a game changer [16-May-24 08:02 PM] evany.#0000 so. many. trips. [16-May-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 the rotten side of metallurgy... [16-May-24 08:03 PM] jvaler#0000 i love it regardless [16-May-24 08:04 PM] evany.#0000 jvaler i'm gonna go spend some time with the wife [16-May-24 08:04 PM] evany.#0000 but i want you to know i too looked at the LHP and thought hell yeah [16-May-24 08:05 PM] evany.#0000 so i bought one of each off the market for my two ships - for one day [16-May-24 08:05 PM] evany.#0000 and rebuilt anew blueprint to shove it into the project [16-May-24 08:05 PM] evany.#0000 now ijust need 66 more... [16-May-24 08:05 PM] evany.#0000 man i can't afford no 200k worth of LHP [16-May-24 08:06 PM] jvaler#0000 oh shit [16-May-24 08:06 PM] evany.#0000 im laughin' cuz im t hinking suuure i can squeeze that little change in there [16-May-24 08:06 PM] evany.#0000 itll be eaaassy just one more little mod [16-May-24 08:07 PM] evany.#0000 calc.exe says 166,600aic remaining [16-May-24 08:07 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/welp-slap-knees-whelp-gotta-get-going-time-to-go-gif-10117256771336784435 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/welp-slap-knees-whelp-gotta-get-going-time-to-go-gif-10117256771336784435 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VZ7KFat0lScR0I6AYNVDf9xR3NYomDfyYk1vmectUpM/https/media.tenor.com/jGe3bhTxyjMAAAAe/welp-slap-knees.png [16-May-24 08:07 PM] jvaler#0000 uhh i can spot you with an indefinite 0 interest loan [16-May-24 08:07 PM] jvaler#0000 aka pay back whenever you like [16-May-24 08:07 PM] evany.#0000 ill worry about it in ten days when buddy says components are ready [16-May-24 08:07 PM] jvaler#0000 alr [16-May-24 08:07 PM] evany.#0000 have a good night- thanks again gents [16-May-24 08:08 PM] jvaler#0000 i just hate BHP on principle lol. it's worse than LHP in every single way [16-May-24 08:08 PM] jvaler#0000 gn! [16-May-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 looks like PG is getting close to crossing that BDE threshold. Running 100% uptime on pp2 BDE means I only lose 325 AIC a day! [16-May-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 last time I looked at that recipe for pp2 I think it was 4x that [16-May-24 09:39 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dump-it-gif-26704933 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dump-it-gif-26704933 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7AHVHJHP14qdMHqzNaWFvQ98IYrb_w0Y15ZVJImsSWE/https/media.tenor.com/pcTRAr8r554AAAAe/dump-it.png [16-May-24 09:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 All it took was 800/u C ๐Ÿฅฐ [16-May-24 09:41 PM] jvaler#0000 guh [16-May-24 09:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 yoooo {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240858101478068394/2024-05-16_19-46.png?ex=6814dae9&is=68138969&hm=01a4f185b423ececca6fe9b168636825443d8f062ab16fc69a83c8b7bf315898& [16-May-24 09:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 46 day ROI goes hard [16-May-24 09:48 PM] avalock#0000 like the glorious conrail, profit is profit [16-May-24 09:48 PM] avalock#0000 :peepo_swag: [16-May-24 09:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I got a CM on Harmonia today, so maybe it's worth setting up some C production [16-May-24 09:52 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What's the recommended recipe for INC ? I think it was HCP [16-May-24 09:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” it's joever antares has fallen [16-May-24 09:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Billions must make FE ๐Ÿ˜” [16-May-24 09:59 PM] jvaler#0000 nascent is good now... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240861212305133598/image.png?ex=6814ddcf&is=68138c4f&hm=6658a4beb3b33fec0d7ff0c6ef0d8a28a0a5f3484f78b02bc06f3f5fcf07db8f& [16-May-24 09:59 PM] jvaler#0000 this can't stand [16-May-24 10:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We will wake up the people that were storing their C on the CX at 1000/u because they thought it would never go that high [16-May-24 10:04 PM] jvaler#0000 i kept saying C was underpriced... maybe i should have actually acted on it and bought a bunch up to sell at this moment lmfao [16-May-24 10:05 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [16-May-24 10:05 PM] avalock#0000 i know that feeling well but in irl market [16-May-24 10:05 PM] jvaler#0000 real markets are too scary [16-May-24 10:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 At least we're the ones moving the market [16-May-24 10:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I didn't think our C would make that much an impact. I guess it was too sudden since people bought a week's worth+ in advance [16-May-24 10:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Carbon farmer starts can enjoy their time for now [16-May-24 10:08 PM] jvaler#0000 are you sure this was us? [16-May-24 10:09 PM] jvaler#0000 weekly traded for C is very high {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240863833715638293/image.png?ex=6814e040&is=68138ec0&hm=714b6552bdf652d3eb98b5abb01c543fe6daac33039a7c1fbc99808ef94535ee& [16-May-24 10:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It was flatlined for the past 180 days, so I would think [16-May-24 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 could have been coincidence [16-May-24 10:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It would be a massive coincidence [16-May-24 10:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But yes [16-May-24 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [16-May-24 10:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe just a bad day and then we happened to start at the same time [16-May-24 10:12 PM] avalock#0000 tbh my thesis was: โ€œEPA regulations, and geopolitical moves towards EVs, as well as geopolitical situations for lithium mining seems undervalued and will most likely increase over the next 4-8 yearsโ€ and so far iโ€™m right which is :Despairge: [16-May-24 10:13 PM] avalock#0000 but i guess at some point you gotta stop yoloing options :PepeLa: [16-May-24 10:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 to me it looks like the market happened to run dry / bought out (the 1k sale), and then people raised the price in the newly open market {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240865370273873971/image.png?ex=6814e1ae&is=6813902e&hm=0321d7d9d324f239adc5144b04dcc6abec0dc5517ff72823d54a45307167d921& [16-May-24 10:16 PM] .shiva.#0000 the actual volume isn't really any different when you look back over the last several months [16-May-24 10:17 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The 1000/u spike is even before the second to last volume column [16-May-24 10:17 PM] .shiva.#0000 volume has gone up a ~bit~ over time, could've also just reached a tipping point {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240865714877890660/image.png?ex=6814e200&is=68139080&hm=7a14939deed9b1ba53eeaefb5924453bc9d2ea42ac4d05bee2905796f2f74b66& [16-May-24 10:20 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240866585153896468/image.png?ex=6814e2d0&is=68139150&hm=464d74fe457fafeabf44ddb1bf25adf151d6e9160a8bc95be9d35fd9051f58ba& [16-May-24 10:22 PM] .shiva.#0000 ah nice, didn't notice Prunplanner had that. Was wondering about the supply over time, but no way to see that in game (I'm pretty sure?) [16-May-24 10:22 PM] avalock#0000 needs an RSI calculator [16-May-24 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 not really no. cause traded could be supply or demand, it's just any transaction [16-May-24 10:23 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah [16-May-24 10:28 PM] avalock#0000 honestly i wish there was more than a SMA(10) indicator [16-May-24 10:28 PM] avalock#0000 an SMA(20) would be nice [16-May-24 10:29 PM] avalock#0000 SMA(20) and SMA(50) whoops [16-May-24 10:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 350/u carbon [16-May-24 10:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/desolate-empty-emptyemoji-emoji-emote-gif-22555455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/desolate-empty-emptyemoji-emoji-emote-gif-22555455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ja5WZvzIoLtlwDX_2Fwy9fBQM21U7JEplQ_nhWUspYk/https/media.tenor.com/dz1wVhRATEUAAAAe/desolate-empty.png [16-May-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 that's before my time... thankfully [16-May-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 dark ages [16-May-24 10:44 PM] avalock#0000 some of those are closer to 320/310 :xdd: [16-May-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 thatโ€™s when https://youtu.be/hGeEXrR84XE?si=3GQXOS4z51EjQE_Q starts playing {Embed} Dylan Locke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGeEXrR84XE Buyin' The Dip (GAMESTOP) ft. Meet Kevin & Charles Payne someone post this on reddit i'm lazy โ–บMusic & Video by Dylan Locke (lol who's that?) https://www.instagram.com/dylanlockemp3 https://twitter.com/dylanlockemp3 โ–บPATREON: become a patron and i'll use the money to BUY THE DIPS. https://www.patreon.com/dylanlockemp3 โ–บDISCORD: http://lockecord.xyz/โ€‹ thanks to my patrons! - Chloe Ting - Dustin Ro... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6rwgjylz8Zh1g7VCeA2qfPGiKuVRzCYO0ee9qjrUHBc/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/hGeEXrR84XE/sddefault.jpg [16-May-24 10:45 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm maybe GRN was lower too to compensate- nope... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1240872859035766824/image.png?ex=6814e8a7&is=68139727&hm=fb565adf96805c6abbe3ba95bbd89b3687ed72e572a004f89baf5524ef6eec08& [16-May-24 10:45 PM] jvaler#0000 not by much at least [16-May-24 10:53 PM] avalock#0000 some other tickers have a weird reaction with it [16-May-24 10:54 PM] avalock#0000 ALO has a delayed decrease around that time, and RAT has a decrease [16-May-24 11:00 PM] avalock#0000 wait i just realized, you should shrink the data from 07/01/2022-07/01/2023 [16-May-24 11:02 PM] jvaler#0000 what for? [16-May-24 11:04 PM] avalock#0000 cause looking for things with so much information can muddy things [16-May-24 11:08 PM] avalock#0000 the chart before and after october 2023 have weird ranges in some cases in the volume and S/D side [16-May-24 11:11 PM] avalock#0000 i mostly arbitrarily picked a 1 year as really any slice would be fine (1 month, 3 month, 5 month etc) [16-May-24 11:13 PM] avalock#0000 except maybe +1 year [16-May-24 11:24 PM] jvaler#0000 sometimes. depends on your goal though right? i wanted to compare it to current day so the range makes sense [16-May-24 11:28 PM] avalock#0000 yeah [16-May-24 11:29 PM] jvaler#0000 sorry i don't really know anything about markets or how to analyze them lmao ๐Ÿ˜ญ [16-May-24 11:31 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: its more how you phrased your answer that i came up with mine [16-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 if it didnโ€™t include the โ€œsometimes. depends on your goal though rightโ€ then we look at the second part only, and its more like the wide picture is good right, you get the big picture [16-May-24 11:33 PM] avalock#0000 but if you want the more detailed picture you slice between that [16-May-24 11:34 PM] avalock#0000 uh say like for natural gas [16-May-24 11:35 PM] avalock#0000 nat gas around the winter goes zoomies [16-May-24 11:36 PM] avalock#0000 itโ€™s all determined on how much was extracted during the summer months, reserves not including federal, how much was used during the summer months and stuff (supply) [16-May-24 11:37 PM] avalock#0000 and if you get detailed views of the winter with that information (which is publically available) you can speculate on the demand for the season typically :hehe: [16-May-24 11:37 PM] avalock#0000 so detailed slices are p good [16-May-24 11:38 PM] avalock#0000 but the first part made the question too subjective for me to really answer because it would be true [16-May-24 11:38 PM] avalock#0000 not that there needs to be an objective answer [16-May-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: i hope this makes sense [16-May-24 11:40 PM] avalock#0000 i would draw pictures but iโ€™m on mobile [16-May-24 11:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i think it makes sense [16-May-24 11:45 PM] jvaler#0000 i think i just don't get the specific application cause i don't deal with these things [16-May-24 11:47 PM] avalock#0000 valid, yeah i was trying to use a case that like uhhhh was in the real world that i was apart of [17-May-24 03:32 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 It anyone needs BTA lemme know, I accidentally made like 160 by mistake [17-May-24 06:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm changing up my input to HCP & GRN because my C output/d is then 223 [17-May-24 06:37 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 was just looking at it there now, finally switching from just HCP [17-May-24 06:38 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 makes me a bunch more [17-May-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 233 wow [17-May-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 nice [17-May-24 06:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 current [17-May-24 06:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241173189388800082/image.png?ex=6814aedc&is=68135d5c&hm=6c0c4dfdf494b38d45dc092f227ed2c28a99f1e25ddd70463d5c9de710a4543a& [17-May-24 06:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 planned [17-May-24 06:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241173322482323476/image.png?ex=6814aefb&is=68135d7b&hm=30e3965f4de54e214f916372a6730167ae3ad233c0bb3f9722b3e9ae3791ebf5& [17-May-24 06:39 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 idk how there is such a big boost but i'll take it lol [17-May-24 06:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 and it's about 5-6hrs quicker lol [17-May-24 06:40 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 probs why lmao [17-May-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 Got my ship parts. Now to ship back from Moria [17-May-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 well, you're counting your inputs as 0 cost, so that'll do it [17-May-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 it only sees the output increase as relevant [17-May-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 WAiT WHAT [17-May-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i can only take so much sin from you in a day @uncle_leslie69 [17-May-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 i think they meant just how much C is produced, not the profit numbers [17-May-24 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I might be missing the point [17-May-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 how are you planning on filling the inputs for that build? [17-May-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 tru ^ [17-May-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia can't do that alone [17-May-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 you plan on joining me on demeter? ๐Ÿ‘€ [17-May-24 10:36 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I checked back with my program to find most profitable thing for my next base and INC is currently #1 (It doesn't consider the area required to supply the INC but it is what it is) {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฏ [17-May-24 10:36 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Ahead of AML [18-May-24 04:47 AM] nyanism#0000 The cost also increase like a lot tho, cus you burn additional GRN, its faster to produce C in larger quantities, but actually more expensive in material cost, sure it does save you those consumable for Pioneers, just make sure you did the number right [18-May-24 04:49 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Was looking at life maybe to start another farm? [18-May-24 04:50 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Yeah, I just need to look at starting another farm. Iโ€™m more interested in C output, not too fussed about consumables or profit [18-May-24 04:52 AM] nyanism#0000 Dem profitable part also let you decide if it actually worth the effort running 3 bases to get those C, or buy em [18-May-24 04:52 AM] nyanism#0000 These are not the fire and forget type, gonna need regular shipping [18-May-24 06:46 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Slowly in the process of stocking up my ANT warehouse with stuff so I have a steady supply of stock for people to buy [18-May-24 06:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am becoming the fabric sweatshop of Antares ๐Ÿ˜ˆ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [18-May-24 06:05 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241527144065273886/image.png?ex=6814a701&is=68135581&hm=aab0bf24e7b79e85ac4b42545791381f0d6183ad8f8b2616eec610fcf0741451& [18-May-24 06:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 gonna be getting into Lfabs? [18-May-24 06:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah i make them currently, just upping my production, previously i only had 2 WPL ๐Ÿ™ƒ [18-May-24 06:07 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i been on the upgrading game [18-May-24 06:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That NL is looking JuIcY [18-May-24 06:10 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i had 6 PPF making PSL but i realised it's not worth selling, i'll make them to stockpile for making new bases and helping noobs, but NL and LFabs is where it's at [18-May-24 06:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sometimes I feel like I make too many LFABs tho.... [18-May-24 06:12 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 depends what you do with them tho, i need to make to sell, so i can get another ship tbh, 2 is killing me rn [18-May-24 06:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 true and I think LDE is the best one out of the bunch [18-May-24 06:16 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm making LSE rn whilst i stock NL again {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-May-24 01:10 AM] akyantor#0000 I was thinking of making fabs, but feels like a lot of people already do that. Is that because its effectively a more expensive consumable (repairs of buildings as well as people expanding)? [19-May-24 01:11 AM] akyantor#0000 I wonder if it makes more sense to jump to just making some of the more expensive ones that use the EPO I'm already making, and skip trying to make bfabs [19-May-24 01:12 AM] akyantor#0000 I guess the market is thinner for rfab/afabs [19-May-24 01:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 there is a pretty niche demand for rfabs on Malahat [19-May-24 01:13 AM] akyantor#0000 I doudt I'd be making massive quantities regardless of the type for any time [19-May-24 01:14 AM] akyantor#0000 Just doing some research into traded vol, to see what would make sense. [19-May-24 01:16 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm a little off making a decision anyway. I have a little more space to use on Griffonstone, and a lot more space to fill on Harmonia. So will want to make good use of that space first. [19-May-24 01:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could look into manufacturing [19-May-24 01:20 AM] akyantor#0000 I did look at that as well, but doesn't marry up quite as well with EPO. That said, easy to flip the POL plants to something different. [19-May-24 01:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well you could make OFF with a BMP [19-May-24 01:21 AM] akyantor#0000 True, just saw that one [19-May-24 01:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And then you could add PG? And make a lot with that [19-May-24 01:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 OVE, PWO [19-May-24 01:23 AM] akyantor#0000 PE woud be a good match with the oversupply I will have of C [19-May-24 01:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Add WPL and you could make NL and COT [19-May-24 01:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 For cotton you could add RCO to your Harmonia farms [19-May-24 01:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So many options [19-May-24 01:27 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, this is the challenge. I was just thinking on going on all in C for Harmonia, but might be better to split it [19-May-24 01:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Throw it into PrUn Planner [19-May-24 01:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Play around with some different set ups [19-May-24 01:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You shouldnโ€™t need too much RCO per day [19-May-24 01:29 AM] akyantor#0000 My current plan doesn't fully utilise the space on Harmonia, so may be an option {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-May-24 01:32 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm starting to think that extracting my own water on Harmonia isn't the best use of space ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 01:35 AM] akyantor#0000 That and it won't make sensed to keep the CLR on there for much longer either. Maybe the first step is to get the CLR onto an electronics planet. [19-May-24 01:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah just buy it [19-May-24 11:07 AM] akyantor#0000 If I were in the market for a third planet to do some manufacturing would it be bonkers to go to QJ-382a, where I can both do some manufacturing and get some MG for my Chemistry base in Griffonstone? It's high pressure, so would have an additional build cost. Do repairs later also include repairing the additional material to deal with the pressure? [19-May-24 11:08 AM] tanda#0000 yes, you have to use the additional materials in repairs [19-May-24 11:09 AM] akyantor#0000 Ok, so I'd need to consider the downsides [19-May-24 11:09 AM] tanda#0000 like on Nike you need SEA to repair your buildings [19-May-24 11:09 AM] tanda#0000 PRUNplanner actually takes into account building degradation separately now [19-May-24 11:09 AM] tanda#0000 so do a couple different plans [19-May-24 11:10 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I'll need to factor in that as a downside vs the cost of two planets for the same purpose [19-May-24 11:12 AM] akyantor#0000 That said, doesn't look like there are many planets with no downsides that also have a decent supply of MGS, so maybe just have to take the hiut [19-May-24 11:12 AM] nyanism#0000 You already have hephateus? [19-May-24 11:12 AM] akyantor#0000 No [19-May-24 11:12 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 okay so i have priced up my next ship design and boi [19-May-24 11:12 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am too broke for this {Reactions} ๐Ÿค‘ [19-May-24 11:13 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm only on Griffonstone and Harmonia at the mo. [19-May-24 11:13 AM] nyanism#0000 Hep would be much less logistical nightmare and relatively simple to settle, cus its normal planet an right next to the CX, unless you want most of the output to go to griffonstone, chance are at full capacity, you will have a lot of overflow [19-May-24 11:14 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, that's the alternative, and have to buy the MG [19-May-24 11:14 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 depends how much you need, i manufacture an ass load of it [19-May-24 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 honestly unless you plan on hauling around MGS, you're probably best off just buying MG [19-May-24 11:15 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 feel free lmao [19-May-24 11:15 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241786305638043779/image.png?ex=6814ef9e&is=68139e1e&hm=f1019ec16aea24b44dc157cbe8dbef6fb71632e1f46a4fe3676ebb111ff7c95b& [19-May-24 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 there's a reason I stepped up a base on Elon for MG supply there [19-May-24 11:15 AM] akyantor#0000 I'd probably process the MGS on QJ-382a, and then transport the MG to Griffonstone. [19-May-24 11:16 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 what are your plans with the MG anyway? [19-May-24 11:16 AM] akyantor#0000 I guess it'd be to give me the option to make PG, which could then be fed into various manufacturing or fab products at some point in the future (likely sold in the short term). [19-May-24 11:17 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ahh fair, is it griff you're wanting to do chem on? [19-May-24 11:17 AM] akyantor#0000 Looks like MG is the cheaper of the ingredients anyway for PG, so maybe an unnecessary complication... [19-May-24 11:17 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I'm already doing EPO on griffonstone [19-May-24 11:18 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ahh fair enough, well i sell MG at 35/u, not sure what CX is [19-May-24 11:19 AM] nyanism#0000 If you have a reliable source of MG supply, it might be easier to skip the production and make sth more profitable with the capital you have [19-May-24 11:19 AM] nyanism#0000 CX should be 70-80 [19-May-24 11:19 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 oof [19-May-24 11:19 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm tempted to make my life simpler and just do manufacturing on hephateus, and buy the MG {Reactions} GatoXD [19-May-24 11:19 AM] nyanism#0000 Do mind the carbon price tho [19-May-24 11:20 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 well should you go that path, all my MG is made on Heph so no shipping for you ๐Ÿ˜Ž [19-May-24 11:20 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I'm making my own Carbon on Harmonia {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [19-May-24 11:20 AM] akyantor#0000 Otherwise the whole thing would probably be bust :S [19-May-24 11:20 AM] akyantor#0000 That was my starter planet [19-May-24 11:20 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i grow my HCP on Harmonia and make C on 759g [19-May-24 11:22 AM] akyantor#0000 Interesting [19-May-24 11:23 AM] akyantor#0000 For some reason I incorrectly thought that INC was aligned to the aggriculture category [19-May-24 11:23 AM] akyantor#0000 But it's not [19-May-24 11:23 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i started off growing and smelting C on Harmonia but i then decided i wanted more FRM and then moved my INC to 759g [19-May-24 11:23 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah, resource extract [19-May-24 11:23 AM] akyantor#0000 I should probably consider splitting that first then before messing about with the manufacturing [19-May-24 11:24 AM] akyantor#0000 As that's kind of a backbone of the other plans anyway [19-May-24 11:25 AM] akyantor#0000 So many options ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 11:26 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, I could get some H from 759g too which might be nice [19-May-24 11:26 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'm governor there, i'm about to put production prices down in a week too. [19-May-24 11:26 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 tax haven lol [19-May-24 11:27 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i run this setup [19-May-24 11:27 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241789336803086478/image.png?ex=6814f271&is=6813a0f1&hm=1a1352d3b64161bbd55dd10eb8211b6e01a3cc12c9c4f0c3376ac80b7ac84fc5& [19-May-24 11:27 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 there is 23 INC & 5 COL on a 500 permit [19-May-24 11:27 AM] akyantor#0000 Would take me a while to get something like that.. still only 29 days in ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 11:27 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 so you defo get your money's worth [19-May-24 11:28 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 well, i'm always here to help provide building materials etc should you need them [19-May-24 11:28 AM] akyantor#0000 Thanks. [19-May-24 11:29 AM] akyantor#0000 I've a fairly clear idea of what I want to do on Griffonstone, but this conversation has definitely changed what I'll do on Harmonia now that I've realised my error about the CoGC for INC [19-May-24 11:29 AM] akyantor#0000 I was going to build more on Harmonia, but that doesn't make a lot of sense longer term [19-May-24 11:57 AM] akyantor#0000 Ok, so new plan is to make what I'm already making more scalable, then look at manufacturing. That means moving my CLR to Phobos, and then eventually moving my INC to 759g. [19-May-24 11:58 AM] akyantor#0000 That'll give me space to grow into when I need it, and align everything with the CoGC. [19-May-24 11:58 AM] akyantor#0000 After that I can think about something new. [19-May-24 11:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Great plan ๐Ÿซก [19-May-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 :hmm: what to extract from the earth now [19-May-24 12:10 PM] avalock#0000 Limestone might be good [19-May-24 12:13 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 sounds like i got some competition now ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [19-May-24 12:13 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: Ohdear [19-May-24 12:13 PM] avalock#0000 I was gonna do deimos alluminum but its giga full so I was thinking nike limestone [19-May-24 12:14 PM] avalock#0000 giga-full as opposed to normal full [19-May-24 12:24 PM] akyantor#0000 Last I checked it was over by about 40 bases :S [19-May-24 12:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 yeah it's cause it's one of the main starter planets [19-May-24 01:25 PM] tanda#0000 only way to get onto it now is to coliq [19-May-24 01:28 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 true, my friend had to do that [19-May-24 01:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s how I got on Deimos [19-May-24 01:29 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i had picked it just before the slots ran out [19-May-24 01:30 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: i feel like COLIQ where im at rn might not be the best [19-May-24 01:32 PM] akyantor#0000 Too late to COLIQ now. Too far in. ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 01:32 PM] tanda#0000 agreed, it's why I didn't suggest it, lol [19-May-24 04:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 @akyantor - I really like your store page. How did you set that up? [19-May-24 04:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'd like to do something similar for my big selling items like RAT and DW since my stock can fluctuate pretty wildly ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-May-24 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Publish a google doc? [19-May-24 05:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 is it that simple? I'm an Excel man ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-May-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah and then FIDO the data of your stock into the doc? [19-May-24 05:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 i've got that part, just didn't know you could publish it [19-May-24 05:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 and didn't want to share my API key with the world ๐Ÿ˜› [19-May-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [19-May-24 05:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah you can publish a sheet from a doc [19-May-24 05:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 I might be getting a bit carried away with the formatting {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241883625432023060/image.png?ex=6814a181&is=68135001&hm=2abfb4a53e94cbde091f05c7e6e901ed05439d65a47d5747dbf2d8fa9bfb4b80& [19-May-24 05:48 PM] realharvey#0000 can you add the AIC behind the numbers? would look more uniform [19-May-24 05:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 apparently yes ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241885855346593874/image.png?ex=6814a395&is=68135215&hm=f75f2b937b5e7cedc56fa707d4e6ec3949511cde94fe2052491bd2bb3d7be991& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-May-24 05:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 they don't have the exact body text on google sheets unfortunately. but this looks close enough [19-May-24 05:52 PM] realharvey#0000 Looks great [19-May-24 06:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 it is complete ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241888781850906675/image.png?ex=6814a64e&is=681354ce&hm=ecf2418818bdbdb9f801d65bcc3c467d3289dcdfec90a24a532daa351773e43a& [19-May-24 06:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow [19-May-24 06:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make mine please ๐Ÿ˜˜ [19-May-24 06:07 PM] tanda#0000 I am too dumb to do this, but would love to know how [19-May-24 06:10 PM] avalock#0000 inb4 i break out the editing skills for some stupid gimmick [19-May-24 06:10 PM] jvaler#0000 my ass lmao you did what i was too lazy to do, looks amazing {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241890794109931521/image.png?ex=6814a82e&is=681356ae&hm=9a92d3e91083ae9c5a536fd88e373a28fbaf2f2277449cd9941c65c66184514c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [19-May-24 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 honestly depending on how the back end of this is set up, it could really cut down the amount of fiddling people have to do with their price lists [19-May-24 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 if everyone makes their own sheet with FIO-updated inventories they could all be combined into a single sheet ๐Ÿง [19-May-24 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 kinda like what antisyntax did, but updated by each player individually {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-May-24 06:12 PM] avalock#0000 :PAUSERS: we can have an internal price market [19-May-24 06:13 PM] jvaler#0000 no channel clutter and no getting drowned out by others' listings [19-May-24 06:13 PM] jvaler#0000 just a single google sheet link [19-May-24 06:13 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh [19-May-24 06:14 PM] tanda#0000 alright, let me see if I can figure this out [19-May-24 06:28 PM] avalock#0000 @uncle_leslie69 iโ€™m going to be moving to NIKE for LST, iโ€™d be down to keep competition fair and keep prices even :colonThree: [19-May-24 06:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @uncle_leslie69 that means no Steam PrUn [19-May-24 06:29 PM] tanda#0000 I am entirely too out of practice to figure out how to do this. Can I cheat off you, @sidepipe ? [19-May-24 06:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yes - let me copy out the sheet to a Google account that doesnโ€™t have my name on it and Iโ€™ll share it here ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 06:31 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 With enough FIO finagling you could make a spreadsheet that automatically updates the production, stock, and even number of bases a player has [19-May-24 06:32 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But I'm personally wary of making in-corp trading even more easy/prevalent [19-May-24 06:36 PM] avalock#0000 whyโ€™s that if you donโ€™t mind me asking [19-May-24 06:43 PM] tanda#0000 Does that mean you want those BBH on Nike instead? [19-May-24 06:43 PM] avalock#0000 you can put them on ANT iโ€™ll move them in later on [19-May-24 06:43 PM] avalock#0000 do you want more for them btw [19-May-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 no, I'm still okay with giving them to you at this point [19-May-24 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 and I ask because the BBH are already at Nike, lol [19-May-24 06:44 PM] avalock#0000 OH that works really wel huh [19-May-24 06:44 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [19-May-24 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 going to request termination on the old contract, I'll send you a new one [19-May-24 06:45 PM] avalock#0000 :FingyGuns: [19-May-24 06:48 PM] avalock#0000 i opened a warehouse there for it [19-May-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 cool, let me know if you need more assistance, but everything else will probably have to be imported [19-May-24 06:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 1. I don't like much of trade being locked behind a mechanic free players can't access. 2. It's also a self-perpetuating cycle of stuff not being available on CX, so people make stuff in-corp, so it's not available on the CX. 3. I can't know for sure but I think that it would be more fun if that internal trade came to the CX, where people can mess with each other and so higher-tier production is possible for more players [19-May-24 06:54 PM] avalock#0000 Heard :neko_nod: [19-May-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 my plan has always been to overproduce and offer discounts as a form of mutual assistance {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-May-24 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 issue being I don't produce anything this group wants to buy [19-May-24 07:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thatโ€™s kinda how I work - nothing is necessarily for sale to the various corps /groups. They just get first dibs on whateverโ€™s in stock ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-May-24 07:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 ~~Bet. What do you produce?~~ i just saw you have prices nvm [19-May-24 07:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zXoajSsCl-6QJO_ibXU6H_-2LLPc8mLjCo-ZhtUFkJc/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zXoajSsCl-6QJO_ibXU6H_-2LLPc8mLjCo-ZhtUFkJc/edit?usp=sharing STGL Storefront Static Stock Username,NaturalId,Name,StorageType,Ticker,Amount SIDEPIPE,ANT,Antares Station,WAREHOUSE_STORE,DDT,743 SIDEPIPE,ANT,Antares Station,WAREHOUSE_STORE,DW,8566 SIDEPIPE,ANT,Antares Station,WAREHOUSE_STORE,FIM,755 SIDEPIPE,ANT,Antares Station,WAREHOUSE_STORE,NA,3912 SIDEPIPE,ANT,Antares Station... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EagGHcPlXiiwKf_57pXRymGRKcgpDoaNOjnnNw5Hu4o/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLI23gBKbEqap0IcDsiYCq8gGtDcBP8b28od-0uY3ukI4B9EAnSrvHcYaiccAu5fxPx4f0YzPZR0YGcpBw9OXzx9xynAhhBxBX-c-rG2dkyviDR_GiX%3Dw1200-h630-p [19-May-24 07:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 redacted most of my inventory and the API key, but you should be able to make a copy and fill in your FIO stuff, or just copy the formatting ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-May-24 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 hey, thanks! I can see a bit more clearly what's needed now [19-May-24 07:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 it seems like publishing it mangles the formatting a little bit though [19-May-24 09:59 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i am always steam ๐Ÿ˜ˆ [19-May-24 10:38 PM] avalock#0000 i use the steam version a bit [19-May-24 11:55 PM] akyantor#0000 Put my formatting to shame ๐Ÿคฃ [19-May-24 11:57 PM] akyantor#0000 And similar for me as a few others have said. ADI Internal market for me is an alternative way to give cheaper prices for the product Iโ€™d already put onto the CX, as a form of mutual assistance. [20-May-24 01:00 AM] akyantor#0000 A [shameless knock](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTXKDoJ8vWvXlm2gwpOIIWFlIcMdg2suQpE5BIgpDLEFvE5dYnWJHzJh0zCTUSaeuJNcD3SJW58qU_g/pubhtml?gid=1666342575&single=true) off of Sidepipe's efforts: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1241993944653496390/image.png?ex=6815083f&is=6813b6bf&hm=e08282c96a776eb49d91db5ecb2f0e7690e4460d1cbf4b012ec1b12c323f572d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [20-May-24 12:04 PM] akyantor#0000 How many days worth of supplies do folks normally shoot for holding at each base? I've been resupplying every 4-5 days at the moment, which feels like a lot of thrashing about. Thinking of shifting to 14 days minimum, so I just do a big run every two weeks. [20-May-24 12:07 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia doesn't have a lot of exports, so if you increase the consumable buffer there you can minimize how much you need to send your ships by maximizing the cargo bay usage on the export trip [20-May-24 12:07 PM] jvaler#0000 14d sounds like a good goal [20-May-24 12:08 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm buying enough to keep them going for 14 days based upon a stock take yesterday at the moment. I think once I've done that I'll feel more comfortable taking a week or so to focus on using any funds for expansion, before flipping back to resupply [20-May-24 12:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 I typically shoot for 20 days and resupply 10 days at a time - it makes the math easier {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-May-24 12:13 PM] realharvey#0000 When I started out, I've never really stocked up un consumable supplies. Now since I am starting to grow bigger, I keep bigger piles of consumables because it gets very annoying buying 10 consumables for bases + the Inputs [20-May-24 12:14 PM] akyantor#0000 I guess I don't want to extend them too long as will make more sense earlier on the use captial for expansion, but also annoying for it to be too short and risk a production slowdown because you miss something. [20-May-24 12:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, 14 days seems reasonable at this point ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-May-24 12:15 PM] realharvey#0000 depending on how many bases you have 14 might even be quite alot. At the start you dont have alot of cashflow. If you need the next supplies you are forced to use buy orders instead of sell orders and leave some cash on the table for that [20-May-24 12:21 PM] akyantor#0000 I've only two at the moment, so not to complicated too manage. [20-May-24 12:37 PM] tanda#0000 I usually stock a month at a time [20-May-24 08:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Is anybody making new C bases with the sudden spike ? [20-May-24 08:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also somebody dumped enough PG to get the bids below the price we intended to start with (37.50) so please keep selling at 37.50 [20-May-24 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 I'm most likely to expand my current bases [20-May-24 09:44 PM] evany.#0000 maybe end of next month i want to start building C bases [20-May-24 09:45 PM] evany.#0000 its just stupid money since i started and when i asked about it i was kind of told to lean away from it [20-May-24 09:45 PM] evany.#0000 but i did the math earlier today and the cost per unit to make C is 353~469 depending on recipes [20-May-24 09:46 PM] evany.#0000 even at 600 its still 40% returns [20-May-24 09:46 PM] evany.#0000 todays prices are insane profit! [20-May-24 09:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I scanned for best buildings recently and INC has got the best profits out of everything else available rn [20-May-24 09:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I was also thinking of starting a base [20-May-24 09:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 but I'm worried it won't last this high and then I will be stuck with a base only able to make 1 commodity [20-May-24 09:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I still think it won't go down as far as C used to be [20-May-24 09:49 PM] evany.#0000 if you look at carbon and its ingredients pretty closely... theres a few people manipulating the price of it pretty heavily [20-May-24 09:49 PM] evany.#0000 youll see a few names both as the big buys and big sells kind of price fixing it to keep it here [20-May-24 09:49 PM] evany.#0000 even if they 'let it go' and get bored with it - i don't think it will stop being profitable [20-May-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 If nothing else, C will always be valuable in your own personal chains [20-May-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 I mostly make C for my own needs, but I plan on upping my overproduction [21-May-24 03:55 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I need to get another farm & INC planet on the go [21-May-24 06:55 AM] tanda#0000 is anyone on Elon selling EPO and PG? I don't need it yet, but I will inside of the month [21-May-24 06:58 AM] acramernc#0000 i can sell you pg, you know how much you will need? [21-May-24 07:00 AM] tanda#0000 looks like about 6.5k a week [21-May-24 07:00 AM] acramernc#0000 yeah i can do that [21-May-24 07:06 AM] tanda#0000 alright, cool. That will save me on having to import that [21-May-24 07:24 AM] realharvey#0000 PG is not heavy at all and logistics on that is very easy [21-May-24 08:18 AM] acramernc#0000 very true, but if he needs it on elon, and i make it on elon, it still saves both of us a trip [21-May-24 08:43 AM] jvaler#0000 not really though? cause if you're sending a ship to import PG ingredients that ship still has to go back to ANT anyways [21-May-24 08:44 AM] jvaler#0000 the return trip happens whether you take PG or not [21-May-24 09:19 AM] acramernc#0000 fair enough, although my monkey brain still likes not having to load it onto a ship [22-May-24 02:11 AM] nyanism#0000 when we check our current HQ lv it will show a bonus for certain type of production, Is there any way to check / know which planet give what HQ bonus? or how does the game determine your HQ bonus at all? Was it even implemented? [22-May-24 10:50 AM] evany.#0000 I thought it was all, potentially naively [22-May-24 11:14 AM] flor2081#0000 you get that bonus on every building in that category [22-May-24 11:14 AM] flor2081#0000 so for me I get a 6.9% bonus on all my FRM, HYF etc {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1242873233083072603/image.png?ex=6814ef66&is=68139de6&hm=17de6dce11a8637f1a6b517277baa4a64693f00bb057c9ac5c9794af057602f2& [22-May-24 11:14 AM] flor2081#0000 which is this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1242873332651659366/image.png?ex=6814ef7d&is=68139dfd&hm=33d872dd45a79b72cb5355d5286239fec35f11bc1efb35ab7b5b144f4c0bfd5b& [22-May-24 11:17 AM] nyanism#0000 Oki, good to know its actually implemented, now to the next question, how can i know which planet give what bonus? say i know deimos and hep has Electronics as HQ bonus, how can one determine where to get other kind of bonus? Like if i want Manufacturing or Metallurgy, where should i go? [22-May-24 11:18 AM] flor2081#0000 ahh, the CoGC bonus? [22-May-24 11:18 AM] nyanism#0000 Not CoGC, the Company HQ bonus [22-May-24 11:18 AM] nyanism#0000 Its based on HQ location and level correct? [22-May-24 11:18 AM] nyanism#0000 ^ [22-May-24 11:18 AM] flor2081#0000 yes, but it gives that everywhere [22-May-24 11:19 AM] flor2081#0000 so for me, every building with the category Agriculture has that 6.9% boost [22-May-24 11:19 AM] flor2081#0000 like everywhere [22-May-24 11:19 AM] nyanism#0000 Yes, that part I understand [22-May-24 11:19 AM] flor2081#0000 the location only changes the type of bonus you get [22-May-24 11:19 AM] flor2081#0000 so if you move to moria, you get bonus in construction (i think?) instead of agri / food processing [22-May-24 11:19 AM] nyanism#0000 Yes, this is what im asking for, how can i tell โ€œwhereโ€ do i have to relocate, to get the right bonus im looking for [22-May-24 11:20 AM] flor2081#0000 aaaah [22-May-24 11:20 AM] nyanism#0000 If im not 30 permit empire, this bonus actually is sth i think can benefit smaller player like myself greatly, [22-May-24 11:20 AM] flor2081#0000 I get it now ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-May-24 11:20 AM] flor2081#0000 here you go https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html#faction-bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-May-24 11:22 AM] nyanism#0000 Rip, must be too long since i last visit the handbook lol [22-May-24 11:22 AM] flor2081#0000 it might not really be worth the hassle though, if you're mainly based in antares then building a base in moria just for the construction/metallurgy boost is a bit much [22-May-24 11:23 AM] nyanism#0000 Thatโ€™s understandable, but i believe ill figure out how to benefit from it at some point lol, thanks for pointing me to the right direction, that pretty much nail it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-May-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I only need 300 more BSE for the mother of all HAL mines ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-May-24 10:30 PM] evany.#0000 getting close ehhh [22-May-24 10:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very close [22-May-24 10:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just 3 days [22-May-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Full pivoted to just making BSE for a second [22-May-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 ME TOO 5th expert in.. 37 days (aka i got my 4th expert on two planets now!) {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [22-May-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 on nike? [22-May-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [22-May-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 give me a day of materials. ill make some for you! [22-May-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 current job done in 2hours [22-May-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok [22-May-24 10:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 if you want [22-May-24 10:32 PM] evany.#0000 then i can say i contributed when you pass me on your yacht [22-May-24 10:32 PM] evany.#0000 "I BUILT THAT YACHT".. [22-May-24 10:33 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1243044159217209436/image.png?ex=6814e5d6&is=68139456&hm=69e2386b737e6116a1b871b483dec9a552217cbc00a58795a4a9a239ce02c681& [22-May-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok sent ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-May-24 10:34 PM] evany.#0000 got it. [22-May-24 10:35 PM] evany.#0000 ill give you back bse tomorrow! [22-May-24 10:36 PM] avalock#0000 -bobby kotick [22-May-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ok I pay 100/u for your RATs and stuff that you used up [22-May-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i sent the cont for that right now [22-May-24 10:37 PM] evany.#0000 np [22-May-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yay [22-May-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so much HAL will I make [22-May-24 10:38 PM] evany.#0000 mor elikely he would get in a pissing match and buy a bigger yacht to park next to hal's as a vacation home {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-May-24 10:38 PM] avalock#0000 :giggle: [22-May-24 10:45 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @akyantor sent you over the INS [23-May-24 12:30 AM] akyantor#0000 Thanks, fulfilled my end! {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [23-May-24 11:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I gots my CM at YK-005d down! The **BIGGEST** HAL mine has begun :Devious: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [24-May-24 11:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I really hope my base will be full of pioneers at nascent this weekend [24-May-24 11:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also half of the HAL base goes up tonight. Too broke to buy the POW to upgrade my HQ rn [24-May-24 11:56 PM] tanda#0000 I'm thinking I'm going to drop a few more INC out there Monday [25-May-24 08:48 AM] akyantor#0000 I'm working on splitting my INC to another planet, so I can dedicate Harm to agri. Just starting to buy some of the materials to do that this weekend. Likely to end up on 759g. [25-May-24 01:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 C seems to be getting slightly better [25-May-24 01:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PG dropped a bit like we wanted but it's not 37.50$ yet [25-May-24 01:59 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Might need another PG base [25-May-24 02:29 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm going to try to expand my C output a bit more over the next week or two. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [26-May-24 08:25 AM] akyantor#0000 Does anyone know how influence is determined fro the GOGC voting? [26-May-24 08:26 AM] akyantor#0000 I've been looking a bit more at how planetary management works, and noticed that there's some kind of weighting to votes. [26-May-24 08:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/planetary-projects/index.html#voting-for-programs {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/planetary-projects/index.html 6. Planetary Projects :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [26-May-24 08:50 AM] akyantor#0000 Ah, didn't think to look in the legacy section. So workforce based. [26-May-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 what do you guys think about the liquidity of `KV`? [26-May-24 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 not very at all. but maybe that's a product of it's recent price increase and nobody wanting to buy at that price {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1244408453951393902/image.png?ex=6814966f&is=681344ef&hm=589abe0ef0f03669bc82235c827dfeabb3d9b4c20e88933381f70fb7877e9c2e& [26-May-24 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 well, WPLs look pretty high profit in general right now. Just making COT and NL will roll straight into make LDE and OVE, both of which have high volumes [26-May-24 05:12 PM] jvaler#0000 if COT OVE was net neutral i'd agree, but you're losing money doing that ๐Ÿ˜ฌ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1244412857093849158/image.png?ex=68149a89&is=68134909&hm=0f8bf532e577722df6b3a7e828f5451e10a13fe143d27d3d2185f8f55c9e8b90& [26-May-24 05:13 PM] tanda#0000 oh good call [26-May-24 05:13 PM] tanda#0000 I guess COT is just for upkeep, then? [26-May-24 05:13 PM] jvaler#0000 required for PWO [26-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 so you could sell those [26-May-24 05:14 PM] tanda#0000 oh, that's what I was thinking, then I went and typed OVE [26-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [26-May-24 08:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I had them at a 4 day ROI in PrUn planner nothing with modifying the price of PG and COT [26-May-24 09:36 PM] jvaler#0000 had what, COT OVE? [26-May-24 09:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah for COT OVE [26-May-24 09:36 PM] jvaler#0000 that doesn't sound right... [26-May-24 09:37 PM] jvaler#0000 you're using ask prices for both buy and sell right? [26-May-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ohh there we go [26-May-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I had the AVG [26-May-24 09:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 now i get the same things [26-May-24 09:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-good-gif-126191627745920871 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-good-gif-126191627745920871 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MXZlk_Z4bIU4X8txd2wLWWGFOlUg9AKGNqSUm71DuBE/https/media.tenor.com/AcBSnelsh2cAAAAe/the-simpsons.png [26-May-24 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 crazy how only 13 AIC spread can make such a difference [26-May-24 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 in PG? that's big [26-May-24 10:18 PM] jvaler#0000 or do u mean in OVE [26-May-24 10:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeh in ove [27-May-24 01:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Any reason you do the ask over the avg for pricing? [27-May-24 02:01 AM] akyantor#0000 I've generally used the bid price for anything I'm selling, and the ask price for anything I'm buying. I may do better, but early on it seems that's the safest way to ensure I don't end up underwater when judging margins. *That may be a bit conservative for when you've got up and running with a better cash buffer.* [27-May-24 02:11 AM] akyantor#0000 Would be interested to know why you'd use ask for both buy and sell too. [27-May-24 02:20 AM] evany.#0000 maybe he prides himself on consistency ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [27-May-24 11:57 AM] jvaler#0000 cause bids suck ass lolol [27-May-24 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 bids can be immaterial, asks are people actually putting goods on the market. asks more quickly and more accurately reflect the real state of the market [27-May-24 11:59 AM] jvaler#0000 @akyantor ^ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [27-May-24 12:02 PM] akyantor#0000 So... made my first logistics booboo... going to run out of supplies for Griffonstone before I'm able to get back to restock. Bound to happen eventually. ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-May-24 12:03 PM] akyantor#0000 I did a good job stocking up on the consumables for the pop, but failed to spot quickly enough some of the other materials were not stocked to the same number of days. ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ [27-May-24 12:05 PM] flor2081#0000 what do you need? maybe I've got it there [27-May-24 12:06 PM] akyantor#0000 I could do with 10-15 H & O to tide me over until a resupply can get back. May try posting on the local market. [27-May-24 12:07 PM] flor2081#0000 I've got that, you can send me a cont and just give it back later or at ANT if you wany [27-May-24 12:07 PM] akyantor#0000 Ok, thanks. [27-May-24 12:09 PM] akyantor#0000 Contracts sent. Should be able to send it back on Tuesday (hopefully) [27-May-24 12:10 PM] flor2081#0000 alrighty perfect! [27-May-24 12:10 PM] akyantor#0000 Thankls {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-May-24 01:42 PM] akyantor#0000 It may be a stupid question, but if your production buildings aren't working do the pop assigned to you still consume resources. My assumption would be yes. [27-May-24 01:43 PM] tanda#0000 yes, they still consume resources [27-May-24 01:43 PM] akyantor#0000 Thanks [27-May-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 Is there another built out construction planet in ANT space? [27-May-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 I'm seeing a lot of open pioneer jobs on nearby construction planets [27-May-24 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 the main ones are nike, aceland, ZV-194b, and something in KI-401 [27-May-24 05:06 PM] tanda#0000 okay, thanks [27-May-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 I'm writing up a proposal I want to submit to the more experienced members in a week or so to see if you guys think it's viable [27-May-24 05:29 PM] jvaler#0000 exciting [28-May-24 05:25 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 @avalock have you started your TIO mining yet? [28-May-24 05:25 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 or are you still not sure? [28-May-24 05:30 AM] avalock#0000 yep! i have [28-May-24 05:40 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Ž Might be buying some soon [28-May-24 06:01 AM] avalock#0000 :woopsNote1: [28-May-24 07:28 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™ll be moving some to ANT today, i have 460 in stock {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Ž [29-May-24 07:26 AM] acramernc#0000 came back from a long weekend vacation and have put this on the PG books {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1245352503395094568/image.png?ex=6814b9e6&is=68136866&hm=158de46fa1930ad5d3736001aefaf456d4751c016ad0d3b09839716c276b69c1& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฏ [29-May-24 07:26 AM] acramernc#0000 so hopefully that will stabilize PG a bit [29-May-24 09:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 looks like 10k sold [29-May-24 09:08 AM] acramernc#0000 maybe it wont stabilize it for that long lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-May-24 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ’ง ๐Ÿชฃ {Reactions} sadcowboy [29-May-24 09:21 AM] akyantor#0000 Iโ€™m surprised the price is high when superficially the number of people bidding is quite low compared to the number of offers to sell. [29-May-24 09:22 AM] akyantor#0000 I guess thereโ€™s a lot of folks buying immediately at the offer price. [29-May-24 09:23 AM] jvaler#0000 bids don't reflect the state of markets imo because they're immaterial, you can just put up money (which isn't too hard to come by) but asks require actual materials to be listed, so they're tangible [29-May-24 09:24 AM] akyantor#0000 Very true [29-May-24 09:24 AM] .urpalhal#0000 hence BSE always has like zero offers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1245382324011663370/Screenshot_2024-05-29_082423.png?ex=6814d5ac&is=6813842c&hm=8fd1e66caab138ac6f4e2d42d03a805208a172e895724eda4ec520ca5c04a6c3& [29-May-24 09:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 bc everyone slurps that ish up [29-May-24 09:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 like crack [29-May-24 09:27 AM] akyantor#0000 I guess I was observing the opposite situation with PG, where there's a lot of supply (just highly priced), with relatively lower bid volume. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1245382912363335812/image.png?ex=6814d638&is=681384b8&hm=6e138bc1e6131003f6f7cb8b935c816bdac29a0ce57eeb3f402f5184399c4270& [29-May-24 09:28 AM] acramernc#0000 i think its a good indicator that people desire lower prices for BSE, but are generally content, or even happy with the price of PG {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-May-24 09:29 AM] tanda#0000 wait, why is BSE so thinly populated? [29-May-24 09:29 AM] tanda#0000 it's BDE that is problematic to make in ANT space [29-May-24 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 for bfab standards it's not, really. 800 listed is quite a lot [29-May-24 09:30 AM] jvaler#0000 at least compared to when the order books for bfabs empty out [29-May-24 09:31 AM] tanda#0000 fair enough. Oddly it is the most lightly populated of the bfabs currently (after BTA), as BDE actually has stock in the market for once [29-May-24 10:04 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 For some ๐Ÿ˜‰ Maybe I need to up production lol [29-May-24 10:05 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I need 8 PP1โ€™s now lol, 4 is not enough [29-May-24 10:59 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I need 8 PP1โ€™s now lol, 4 is not enough [29-May-24 12:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I've been thinking about adding PP1s to my nike base [29-May-24 01:08 PM] tanda#0000 I would rather put them over on Zv-194b [29-May-24 01:09 PM] tanda#0000 Nike is the only construction base in ANT space with a significant amount of TECH or ENG [29-May-24 01:38 PM] jvaler#0000 aceland? [29-May-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 that's where CAAP does some PP4 iirc [29-May-24 02:10 PM] flor2081#0000 yup [29-May-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 Unemployment on TECH and ENG makes any new pp3 or pp4 projects on there long term just to get them populated {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1245472198320459979/Screenshot_2024-05-29_132111.png?ex=6814809f&is=68132f1f&hm=b29138f136216e432a5e0029ac13fc18ff11def80170ec43f9fc4e0707fcf930& [29-May-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 well that's what we had to do there too, kinda just how it is [29-May-24 04:09 PM] flor2081#0000 not really long term.. you get 400 ENG and 230 TEC from just the first popr [29-May-24 04:09 PM] flor2081#0000 well, from the unemployment alone [29-May-24 04:10 PM] flor2081#0000 if you let rog know beforehand how much you'll need he might do a program, or you just need 2 POPR [29-May-24 04:10 PM] flor2081#0000 if you let him know beforehand it'll take you max 2 popr's to get full pop [29-May-24 04:10 PM] tanda#0000 oh, okay [29-May-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 well i see why gravy is up there now lmfao https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1245402513864396911 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1245419352316969082 [29-May-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 interesting pivot from KOM [29-May-24 07:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol yeah [29-May-24 07:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it all makes sense now [29-May-24 08:09 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ...wtf ๐Ÿ˜… that's definitely an unexpected twist... [29-May-24 08:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I guess he's using Biogenesis for C now? [29-May-24 08:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 cause he's still gov there [29-May-24 08:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 (not me keeping tabs on other Benten governors as KAWA slowly takes over) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ (2) [29-May-24 08:12 PM] evany.#0000 some of those guys play at such a different level it feels like we aren't playing the same game tbh [29-May-24 08:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 every time xensored shares some details of his plans and operations developing the Arclight region I'm pretty blown away. Like, I'm not huge, but I'm pretty much to what I'd consider "late game", where money comes easy and the challenge is figuring out how to make it work for you. But even if I played this game as a full time job I don't think I could come close to pulling off the complex stuff that they're doing. I kinda like this game for that though. I also know older players who have a single base and that's all they want. When everything is so player-driven there's just a lot of ways to define your own success [29-May-24 08:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm at like 14 bases and it's almost too much for me to want to manage. Carcissia used to manage 31 bases building entire ships *and* all the consumables and fuel for himself. I can't even imagine... [29-May-24 08:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'll stick to my PE and slow takover of Benten [29-May-24 08:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 (this is a joke, taking over Benten sounds like *way* too much work) [29-May-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 same for me at 19 ๐Ÿ˜ญ i keep telling myself i'll make that resupply manager spreadsheet eventually but... [29-May-24 08:32 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† we were literally just talking about that in the KAWA server, lol. I had so many plans but haven't made progress in months. AriesNation keeps talking about a fancy one with some code to make it more efficient, but I think I might just finish a rough draft of mine [29-May-24 08:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just want something that acts like a burn tracker, but I can also override specific materials with specific thresholds that I want to keep, like fuel reserves. Also factor in POPI and CoGC upkeep for the planets I manage. [29-May-24 08:34 PM] evany.#0000 is there an api ? [29-May-24 08:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 kind of? it's a player made API that scrapes data from your browser when the game is open using an extension [29-May-24 08:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 then you can get *that* data [29-May-24 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s called FIO [29-May-24 08:35 PM] evany.#0000 oh. [29-May-24 08:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/ [29-May-24 08:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 would recommend, it's a really cool and really useful resource if you like that kind of thing [29-May-24 08:36 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://doc.fnar.net/#/ [29-May-24 08:36 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 more info on the API there ^ [29-May-24 08:36 PM] evany.#0000 thanks [29-May-24 08:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 no problem. I don't have a ton of technical skills, I started playing this game partially to learn spreadsheets better ๐Ÿ˜† (it worked), but I love seeing all the tools that other people come up with [29-May-24 08:54 PM] jvaler#0000 my ideal one is one that automatically tells me how much of everything i need to bring to add +10, 20, 30, etc. days to my burns. and i want it to have a step factor so that if i have a recipe that uses 6 of something at a time it will only tell me to bring it in sets of 6 [29-May-24 09:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve been wanting something like that myself - I usually resupply in 10 day increments, but there are things that get out of sync as you do that. Especially bases that take two trips [29-May-24 09:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nice. If I had the time I'd set mine up so that I could configure my shipping routes and it just tell me what to load and unload at each stop... I've kind of used PMMG custom inventory sorting as a temporary fix but it's far from perfect [29-May-24 09:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [29-May-24 09:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Time to app dev it up i guess {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [29-May-24 09:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think that a spreadsheet will only scale so far (especially on google sheets). building this tool with a web app would be so much better [29-May-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 True [29-May-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My skills are really good in the sheets thoโ€ฆ. Not so much not in the sheets [29-May-24 09:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 same... I'd love to finish school for CS but I can't afford it. I've learned spreadsheets pretty well, but specifically gsheets, and that can't handle nearly as much as excel [29-May-24 09:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm thinking the compromise is trying to make things more efficient using apps script functions [29-May-24 09:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 which are fairly easy to learn using GPT [29-May-24 09:25 PM] lossi#0000 "And that can't handle nearly as much as excel" [29-May-24 09:26 PM] lossi#0000 In my experience that's quite untrue [29-May-24 09:26 PM] lossi#0000 I can make some very magical sheets in gsheets that I can't in excel [29-May-24 09:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For my data analysis Iโ€™ve been using origin instead of excel bc excel crashes with 100k lines of things [29-May-24 09:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that google sheets can't handle as much data as excel? [29-May-24 09:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I mean yeah, I still absolutely love g sheets [29-May-24 09:26 PM] lossi#0000 data, I'm not sure [29-May-24 09:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 it can do some cool stuff and has some *amazing* QoL wins over excel [29-May-24 09:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I still use sheets for a reason [29-May-24 09:27 PM] lossi#0000 But if you're doing something that requires enough data that you break gsheets [29-May-24 09:27 PM] lossi#0000 maybe you shouldn't be using a spreadsheet app to begin with {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [29-May-24 09:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but I just don't know if it can handle the ideas I have or if I should just scale down [29-May-24 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Origin does pretty good [29-May-24 09:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I mean yeah, that's exactly the problem, lol [29-May-24 09:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 it's definitely not the tool for the job but it's the tool I know [29-May-24 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But itโ€™s expensive ๐Ÿ™ƒ [29-May-24 09:28 PM] lossi#0000 That said I have some CS friends that made entire corporate infrastructures on gsheets [29-May-24 09:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nice [29-May-24 09:28 PM] lossi#0000 So it can, with some effort and laziness, handle a lot more than you might think {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 All that besides the point [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 If you have an idea [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 and you want to learn code [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 try a bit on codecademy [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 if you find you can bear the thought of doing that for more than an hour [29-May-24 09:29 PM] lossi#0000 look into boot.dev [29-May-24 09:30 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I actually wrote my first code with the help of MemoryAlpha for a PrUn project, lol. This game is great for learning projects [29-May-24 09:30 PM] lossi#0000 Good job :AG_RamHighFive: [29-May-24 09:31 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/smiling-dog-grin-smile-happy-joyful-gif-15915304 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/smiling-dog-grin-smile-happy-joyful-gif-15915304 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/USkoPr2bWPgIGrd5Om7_FpLse0KLUhzj5h13hXSIFtE/https/media.tenor.com/w0UVsJ14eCAAAAAe/smiling-dog-grin.png [29-May-24 09:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 I do spreadsheets for a living so Iโ€™d probably stick with gsheets for most things. The appscript stuff is pretty nice for grabbing other stuff from FIO and dumping it into a sheet format too, which youโ€™d probably need to do for something like this [29-May-24 09:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 But there is a little, tiny part of me that wants to make the most convoluted shiny app in R for this instead ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-May-24 09:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 The basic burn stuff should be easy enough in any case. I was thinking about the route planning as well - I think you could make it work in a sheet if you just had some predefined routes (like ANT -> Harmonia -> Norwick) [29-May-24 09:39 PM] evany.#0000 i can't think of a way you'd do route optimizaation in excel very well though [29-May-24 09:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 Youโ€™d definitely have to set those in advance. Route optimization in general is probably complex enough that you wouldnโ€™t want to do it often [29-May-24 09:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 But if you had approximate flight times and import / export volumes, that might get you close [29-May-24 09:41 PM] .shiva.#0000 You *could* make the solver do it [29-May-24 09:42 PM] .shiva.#0000 Would you want to? No [29-May-24 09:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 But thatโ€™s the fun in it ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-May-24 09:43 PM] evany.#0000 i mean consumption is mostly static if you mapped out the delta's from origin between each station/planet it wouldn't be too complicated to solve for, the problem is at that optimization level though your now scheduling alarms for 4am to set your ship which gets into murky territory probably [29-May-24 09:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yep, and if you have to do that you should buy another ship instead ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-May-24 09:44 PM] evany.#0000 yeah [29-May-24 09:44 PM] evany.#0000 thats probably fair ! [29-May-24 09:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 I might play around with the burn / load planning stuff this weekend - Iโ€™ll share anything useful I come up with ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’š (2) [29-May-24 09:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 The route optimization idea seems really interesting as something to do once every time you change a base. Not minimizing time, but trips. I find the in game map really hard to read, so most of my flights just end up being to and from ANT [29-May-24 09:47 PM] evany.#0000 thats a really good point; i think the same. for the odd 1hour i might save going between planets it seems never worth it [29-May-24 09:48 PM] evany.#0000 admittedly i only have 3 planets so fuck me for having an opinion- but how can all 3 of my planets be 6hours from CX but 14hours from each other [29-May-24 09:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† [29-May-24 09:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 But only the second part of that sentence ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-May-24 09:49 PM] evany.#0000 definitely questionable physics! [29-May-24 09:49 PM] .shiva.#0000 In system burn time feels like it makes a lot of planet to planet logistics just not worth? [29-May-24 09:49 PM] .shiva.#0000 In theory the "planned" space elevators might change that eventually I guess? [29-May-24 09:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m still not 100% sure what the space elevators will do honestly [29-May-24 09:55 PM] .shiva.#0000 I was assuming they'd be kinda like the CX, how you don't need to spend a ton of fuel to land / launch [29-May-24 09:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Landing on a planet seems so minor in the context of all the stuff ships do [29-May-24 09:56 PM] lossi#0000 It's the vast majority of your STL fuel consumption for such a small distance [29-May-24 09:57 PM] lossi#0000 For small ships and at a small scale, it doesn't matter too much [29-May-24 09:57 PM] lossi#0000 but when you're pinching pennies with a dozen or so massive ships [29-May-24 09:57 PM] lossi#0000 it can make a difference [29-May-24 09:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 I never took the time to look at anything other than the total fuel consumption tbh. That makes a lot more sense [29-May-24 10:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 A flat % off would add up to quite a lot over time [29-May-24 10:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 Part of it as well is that FTL and STL fuel are basically the same price. Adding an extra jump doesn't even come close to the amount of STL fuel you'll spend to land [29-May-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 That's my normal wake up time [30-May-24 01:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I buy so much more STL fuel ๐Ÿ™ƒ but hardly any FTL fuel [30-May-24 01:45 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Iโ€™ve decided Iโ€™m no longer going to mine FEO & SIO on Phobos and Iโ€™m going to dismantle the base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Œ [30-May-24 01:46 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 And Iโ€™m going to build a base on Vulcan for FEO and smelt it and start smelting ship metals there too [30-May-24 09:10 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If you still need the SIO for anything let me know. I stopped making SI a few months ago but didn't stop extracting SIO... there's so much of it, lol [30-May-24 09:42 AM] jvaler#0000 how much u got? i use a bit of it for CAAP and CU(?) [30-May-24 09:42 AM] jvaler#0000 forgot if it was AU or CU that uses SIO lol [30-May-24 10:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Cu I think [30-May-24 10:23 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 2235 on Etherwind, 8287 at BEN, 1300 at ANT [30-May-24 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 bet i'll take 1000 to stockpile for a few months [30-May-24 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 what price? [30-May-24 10:47 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 KAWA for you, so 56/u? [30-May-24 10:47 AM] jvaler#0000 oh great lol [01-Jun-24 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 thoughts on growing my own RCO, spinning my own cotton then making OVE, PWO and EXO? [01-Jun-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/bceacc24-a4f7-4238-9ce0-da4528b6b830 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/bceacc24-a4f7-4238-9ce0-da4528b6b830 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-Jun-24 01:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 is COT OVE more profitable than RCO OVE? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [01-Jun-24 01:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 probs not [01-Jun-24 01:52 PM] jvaler#0000 absolutely not, net negative value [01-Jun-24 01:52 PM] jvaler#0000 never do that [01-Jun-24 01:52 PM] jvaler#0000 always go RCO OVE [01-Jun-24 01:53 PM] jvaler#0000 cause the PG recipe is ass too, it's twice as slow as RCO OVE [01-Jun-24 01:53 PM] jvaler#0000 sadly :/ [01-Jun-24 01:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 weird, I didn't know it was so slow [01-Jun-24 01:54 PM] akyantor#0000 I looked into it recently, and COT OVE didn't seem to make any sense. [01-Jun-24 01:54 PM] akyantor#0000 Funilly enough on the same planet [01-Jun-24 01:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I only had that bc I was going to make PWO with PG and COT [01-Jun-24 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho I have repented [01-Jun-24 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 switched it to RCO and PE [01-Jun-24 02:02 PM] igfloz#0000 I very quickly switched to RCO OVE once I realised it was beneficial. Slowly building up OVE PWO EXO proc on Hephaestus [01-Jun-24 02:03 PM] igfloz#0000 .... I started on the COT PG OVE recipe 1st of all [02-Jun-24 02:28 PM] akyantor#0000 I've just had my first situation where I didn't get all the pop I needed instantly when expanding my buildings. I guess I should be able to get the rest when the worker redistrubution happens next week. {Reactions} โœ… [02-Jun-24 04:43 PM] evany.#0000 RIP. how can you tell if thats gonna happen? [02-Jun-24 04:43 PM] evany.#0000 i'm about to drop a base in 4 hours - adn i expect the same thing [02-Jun-24 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 the number in parenthesis tells you how many are immediately available {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246942542449213470/image.png?ex=681493fd&is=6813427d&hm=f383a2b661700b75595ad64239dd2a3c24c832331838dd124bb7e3287eb6ae8d& [02-Jun-24 04:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Awesome, thats a handy tip ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Jun-24 04:48 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, I need 800, but have only been assigned 572: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246943473580507166/image.png?ex=681494db&is=6813435b&hm=52e0b6052e44b056feba9c9427f9671d3e24274ef86dcb753d3710f46102fbd6& [02-Jun-24 04:48 PM] evany.#0000 how could i see that when i'm not at the planet nor have a base ? [02-Jun-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 you can calculate based off POPR (population`*`unemployment%)`*`0.1 [02-Jun-24 04:51 PM] igfloz#0000 ...wait , you both have shown images of different BFRs - is there no correlation or corroboration between them ? [02-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 0.1 being the number used for workforce reserve pools {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246944490439053422/image.png?ex=681495cd&is=6813444d&hm=4cd620da401c60755c9f02aaed978871ed409aa8af98dd93a3c7ddf1c87e894a& [02-Jun-24 04:52 PM] evany.#0000 so i'm only going to have 243 workers ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246944604042035261/image.png?ex=681495e8&is=68134468&hm=2dd223f8af7bf2093a47b71ea90725caa5ddc9db4dd01fb8be25b7303d0f762f& [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] flor2081#0000 well before the popr yea [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 the workforce parenthesis is just a tally of how much of your current workforce is made up of your reserve pool allotment [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 initially. Time your base drop for right before POPR and you'll get the rest pretty quick [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] igfloz#0000 wow [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] evany.#0000 whens next one? [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] flor2081#0000 every 7D [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] evany.#0000 and just make sure ihave the sleeping beds for them? [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] flor2081#0000 so in like 5d [02-Jun-24 04:53 PM] tanda#0000 based on your screenshot, in about 5 days [02-Jun-24 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 you'll need to place the prod buildings too [02-Jun-24 04:54 PM] flor2081#0000 the habs and the buildings that need them [02-Jun-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 you dream breaker [02-Jun-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 i appreciate it [02-Jun-24 04:54 PM] evany.#0000 but .. [02-Jun-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 wait wait wait [02-Jun-24 04:55 PM] evany.#0000 i'm only gonna have 10% of the population i need [02-Jun-24 04:56 PM] evany.#0000 will th ejob just take 10x longer? [02-Jun-24 04:56 PM] evany.#0000 if thats the case its better for me to let them sit idle until the pop takes over [02-Jun-24 04:57 PM] tanda#0000 unfortunately, the buildings will always degrade, whether being used or not. HAving them doing something is always better [02-Jun-24 04:57 PM] flor2081#0000 best to build 1 day before the popr [02-Jun-24 04:58 PM] evany.#0000 right but if their job is 22hours; it will be 22hours * 10 = 10 days away so they will never complete a single build before popr [02-Jun-24 04:58 PM] evany.#0000 and then i'd wait 10 more days for them to finish first one- then population change should effect %'s and they should go full speed ahead [02-Jun-24 04:58 PM] jvaler#0000 you need 2400 PIO? [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] evany.#0000 JVALER [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] evany.#0000 no math :< [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] evany.#0000 bad [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] flor2081#0000 exactly my thought haha [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] evany.#0000 (yes) [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 unless you plan on waiting up the instant the POPR hits, I'd just have the jobs already queued [02-Jun-24 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 wait, how are you using 2400 PIO on Nascent? [02-Jun-24 05:00 PM] evany.#0000 i need an adult [02-Jun-24 05:00 PM] evany.#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/64e93d98-2b0e-48d0-a78f-7f1f2cb21f05 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/64e93d98-2b0e-48d0-a78f-7f1f2cb21f05 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 ...how are you supplying this [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] flor2081#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] evany.#0000 GRN from three people [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 oh is this the C coop? [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] evany.#0000 yeah [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 it would be better to run a double burn, wouldn't it? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 jesus christ, the fabled triple permit INC [02-Jun-24 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5Q8jewSPbLcEch1AB1BSchi-Q8OXmpKLNW7pdHzGyAA/https/media.tenor.com/FBsTPQt_59MAAAAe/reaction-my-eyes.png [02-Jun-24 05:02 PM] jvaler#0000 if anything i like it for the meme [02-Jun-24 05:02 PM] akyantor#0000 So much GRN ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Jun-24 05:03 PM] evany.#0000 yeee [02-Jun-24 05:03 PM] evany.#0000 i think we have about ~8k stocked so far tho [02-Jun-24 05:04 PM] tanda#0000 hey, @evany. , make sure you reach out to the governor before you drop that base, lol [02-Jun-24 05:04 PM] evany.#0000 who [02-Jun-24 05:04 PM] tanda#0000 you need like 800 more PIO than the planet currently has unemployed [02-Jun-24 05:05 PM] tanda#0000 frozenice, apparently. That's weird, they're not OOG or anything [02-Jun-24 05:05 PM] evany.#0000 i see draconis something [02-Jun-24 05:06 PM] tanda#0000 ...hang on give me a sec, I may be barking up the wrong tree [02-Jun-24 05:07 PM] tanda#0000 okay nevermind, there's about 2.4k unemployed pioneers right now. Still should let the governor know, because that'll wipe out unemployment on Nascent [02-Jun-24 05:09 PM] evany.#0000 @draconisdomini hi friend i need 2600 PIOs on Nascent* [02-Jun-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 I apologize, I got distracted and was looking at Elon, not Nascent when I was talking before [02-Jun-24 05:13 PM] evany.#0000 no your fine [02-Jun-24 05:13 PM] evany.#0000 i didn't really know about that system [02-Jun-24 05:14 PM] evany.#0000 and when i dropped nike i was missing workers but within a few days it fixed itself so i was like 'eh whatever' [02-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 they're here??? i had no idea lmfao [02-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 but not in UFO?? ๐Ÿง how'd they even find us [02-Jun-24 05:14 PM] evany.#0000 i didnt know where else they would be so i just tried and [02-Jun-24 05:15 PM] jvaler#0000 wild [02-Jun-24 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 Australis definitely posted the link to the server in the main PU discord a few times [02-Jun-24 05:15 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought they didn't post open invite links there [02-Jun-24 05:15 PM] evany.#0000 it would make sense nascent is big place so he'd wanna be involved [02-Jun-24 05:16 PM] evany.#0000 i've never seen himn speak so i thought it was worth the tag or he wouldn't see the message [02-Jun-24 05:16 PM] jvaler#0000 ofc [02-Jun-24 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 If I wanted to buy HAL from HAL and turn it into CL, where is the best planet in relation to Halcyon to set up a CHP base? [02-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 if you want proximity there's YK-024a that takes HSE if you want proximity+triple green there's electronica [02-Jun-24 06:02 PM] jvaler#0000 or you could take it back to antares I and do it on... bober... [02-Jun-24 06:02 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿคข [02-Jun-24 06:03 PM] tanda#0000 Bober really doesn't have a lot of advantages what with that name and needing TSH [02-Jun-24 06:03 PM] jvaler#0000 it needs TSH? i never saw that damn [02-Jun-24 06:04 PM] jvaler#0000 but electronica > griffonstone i think, cause griffonstone is further from halcyon [02-Jun-24 06:04 PM] jvaler#0000 though closer to ANT [02-Jun-24 06:06 PM] jvaler#0000 this is new ๐Ÿง 29 days ago {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246963100993851403/image.png?ex=6814a722&is=681355a2&hm=f5893e7af34774f825ff77ebb246497cf57133d88d0ff536ad72ed13b5ad66e9& [02-Jun-24 06:06 PM] jvaler#0000 i like it [02-Jun-24 06:07 PM] jvaler#0000 that base lineup is much more questionable though {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246963327439999027/image.png?ex=6814a758&is=681355d8&hm=a4b96495a1db0ae85509ff2753ad6cacce9faf482dfa19626e9a0803607cc3b7& [02-Jun-24 06:07 PM] tanda#0000 I was eyeing that for expanding my construction lines [02-Jun-24 06:07 PM] jvaler#0000 you've still got aceland open tho [02-Jun-24 06:08 PM] jvaler#0000 way closer to ANT [02-Jun-24 06:08 PM] jvaler#0000 so unless u want LST for bfabs it's better [02-Jun-24 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 oh there's also ZV-194b [02-Jun-24 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 almost forgot [02-Jun-24 06:11 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I do all my CHP on ZV-759d [02-Jun-24 06:11 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Because you could also mine MGS & some extra HAL there too [02-Jun-24 06:25 PM] jvaler#0000 you could... but is it worth the area and HSE? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246968020941934662/image.png?ex=6814abb7&is=68135a37&hm=f80e47c1cb868d1797ce149b84e7239b2d935068da6039eb8dcc37ec6a8c9577& [02-Jun-24 06:26 PM] jvaler#0000 wait hal has a triple permit HAL base lmao, they don't need that :P [02-Jun-24 06:27 PM] tanda#0000 the only thing that matters is that Hal is invested in HAL [02-Jun-24 06:57 PM] jvaler#0000 some even say hal invented HAL [02-Jun-24 06:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I got the HAL [02-Jun-24 06:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I frequently take it to ANT too [02-Jun-24 07:16 PM] evany.#0000 whats the double burn ? [02-Jun-24 07:17 PM] evany.#0000 like GRN/HCP you mean ? [02-Jun-24 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 yes, you can put out more with less on the INC end [02-Jun-24 07:19 PM] evany.#0000 ah yeah [02-Jun-24 07:19 PM] jvaler#0000 OH i'm dumb, this was about tanda not hal [02-Jun-24 07:25 PM] evany.#0000 thanks ill have to math that out and see if it makes sense for us [02-Jun-24 07:26 PM] evany.#0000 i could turn up an HCP base instead of GRN pretty easily once my part is paid off {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Jun-24 07:27 PM] jvaler#0000 this conversation has some quick analysis i did about C recipes that you might find useful https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1238920022139736225 [02-Jun-24 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 you could definitely do that. You'll need help with shipping, but that triple permit INC base can definitely scale up [02-Jun-24 07:30 PM] tanda#0000 wouldn't want to run 66 INC any higher than double burn, personally [02-Jun-24 07:35 PM] evany.#0000 thats actually why we went GRN [02-Jun-24 07:35 PM] evany.#0000 rather than HCP [02-Jun-24 07:36 PM] evany.#0000 if it was 4 GRN 2 HCP - fine, but 2GRN 4 HCP worried about stocks and maintenance [02-Jun-24 07:37 PM] evany.#0000 might have to look into HCP - it definitely makes more sense! [02-Jun-24 07:37 PM] evany.#0000 any excelperts in here [02-Jun-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 right that's the correct call [02-Jun-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 some HCP for the double input recipe can be good to reduce the number of INC needed, but you want to keep the HCP needed to a minimum [02-Jun-24 07:40 PM] evany.#0000 plus its fine. i upgraded hq 7 lvl's for only half a mil so i still have 4 more permits before ill probably have to set aside a few mil - obviously not every base should be triple its not really a good use of permit(s) [02-Jun-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 to support a 66 INC base, you would need 5 farms running 2:1 GRN/HCP [02-Jun-24 07:41 PM] evany.#0000 yeah only have 3 running GRN right now [02-Jun-24 07:41 PM] jvaler#0000 so don't :P you can use the triple input recipe too [02-Jun-24 07:42 PM] jvaler#0000 475 area of INC should be able to eat up loads of agri if you don't limit yourself to the single input recipe [02-Jun-24 07:43 PM] evany.#0000 Definitely not going to! [02-Jun-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 I think doing all green is cost efficient, you just should look into doing INC somewhere else in addition to Nascent [02-Jun-24 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 immediately next door to Harmonia is ZV-759d [02-Jun-24 07:53 PM] jvaler#0000 HSE+INS on 10 area INC ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Jun-24 07:53 PM] jvaler#0000 as bad as RIGs [02-Jun-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 and this is why I want to crash the INS price [02-Jun-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~oh jesus why is INS.AI1 so high~~ [02-Jun-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i just bought some for my REP at 150/u the other day [02-Jun-24 07:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~now it's 200/u~~ nvm just a spike, piboy listed 40k at 150/u to correct it [02-Jun-24 07:59 PM] jvaler#0000 INS costs more than HSE even in the worst case scenario??? i had no idea wtf o.O {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246991651734421605/image.png?ex=6814c1b9&is=68137039&hm=be2795d2883a45bf17a79f21172bf27657da01076585a36677bf8a24ed491418& [02-Jun-24 08:00 PM] jvaler#0000 i always thought the best was SEA > INS > HSE > TSH [02-Jun-24 08:00 PM] jvaler#0000 but it's HSE > INS wth [02-Jun-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 I did a whole paper on the viability of me trying to crash the prices for those HEA (Hostile Environment Adaptation) Materials [02-Jun-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 SEA, INS and AEF are the easiest by faaar [02-Jun-24 08:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Hopefully Iโ€™ll be able to list INS in the ADI market soon [02-Jun-24 08:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Especially if I buy the PE from here, I should be able to offer a much better price than 150 [02-Jun-24 08:07 PM] tanda#0000 after Elon expansion, I could offer PE internally at 5k per day for 5.8/unit [02-Jun-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 ooh actually I could probably get down as low as 5/unit [02-Jun-24 08:12 PM] jvaler#0000 5.8/u? i'm offended [02-Jun-24 08:12 PM] jvaler#0000 jk [02-Jun-24 08:12 PM] jvaler#0000 wait this is without CoGC right? how are you getting such low CoGM [02-Jun-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 that last one is because I overrode my C input to cost [02-Jun-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 and then still added 25% on top [02-Jun-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 wdym? [02-Jun-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246995250111844423/Screenshot_2024-06-02_181344.png?ex=6814c513&is=68137393&hm=fd06d2c795fd6f42139d123ddcdb98420962f1e2f2478ee2974dede841f56f04& [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 oh ๐Ÿ˜‘ [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246995337759948820/Screenshot_2024-06-02_181407.png?ex=6814c528&is=681373a8&hm=8bb1eaabc13ea683921102e3a88e51b6d9ce5c04efb76140cc0201efce92e497& [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 I'm doing that thing you hate again [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 fake. numbers. [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 fake prices [02-Jun-24 08:14 PM] jvaler#0000 grrrrrrr [02-Jun-24 08:15 PM] jvaler#0000 my first decree as ADI tyrant is outlawing this /j [02-Jun-24 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 it is crazy to me that C costs me like half as much to make as to buy it [02-Jun-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 the market overcorrected and it's crazy profitable rn [02-Jun-24 08:18 PM] jvaler#0000 no idea if that's being reflected in the price of goods that require C though. widespread vertical integration may be preventing that [02-Jun-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 AL has definitely spiked in response to FLX and C [02-Jun-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 that's good [02-Jun-24 08:19 PM] tanda#0000 beyond that I can't say I've been paying attention [02-Jun-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol same [02-Jun-24 08:19 PM] evany.#0000 337 is what c should cost! [02-Jun-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 no waaaay [02-Jun-24 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 like 450 is a good price point for that kind of cost [02-Jun-24 08:20 PM] evany.#0000 Thatโ€™s why the triple build for c makes no sense to me, either sub materials are horribly overpriced [02-Jun-24 08:20 PM] jvaler#0000 you watch your tongue {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246996927225004032/image.png?ex=6814c6a3&is=68137523&hm=1ef814c6545687892da282e59304381fca091626dd4b38bd1a551578900c0a5b& [02-Jun-24 08:20 PM] evany.#0000 For market exchange yes, for cost to produce I mean [02-Jun-24 08:21 PM] evany.#0000 The triple method from my numbers just pulling subcomponents off cx makes c base cost like 620/unit [02-Jun-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 it costs more, but you run the recipe faster [02-Jun-24 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 if you actually tried to pull mats off the CX, you would run out of mats [02-Jun-24 08:22 PM] evany.#0000 Itโ€™s true that it just shits out carbon like 3z the rate [02-Jun-24 08:22 PM] evany.#0000 But if c goes back to ~600 your operating at a loss suddenly [02-Jun-24 08:22 PM] jvaler#0000 and if you grew the inputs yourself and tried to sell them raw on the CX, it'd crash the agri market. so the triple recipe certainly has it's place imo. especially with a HYF base pumping out HCP [02-Jun-24 08:23 PM] evany.#0000 Thatโ€™s why the market seems not functioning in some ways [02-Jun-24 08:23 PM] evany.#0000 Itโ€™s veryโ€ฆ. Fragile [02-Jun-24 08:24 PM] evany.#0000 I have a sneaking suspicion that most people think mats they make are free [02-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 that's cause 600/u for C is/was too low. even the efficient single input GRN recipe gave mediocre profits [02-Jun-24 08:25 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™m not home right now, but at 800/u the triple makes 30k/day more than straight grn [02-Jun-24 08:25 PM] evany.#0000 But when price drops to 700/u the grn way makes 10k/d more [02-Jun-24 08:26 PM] evany.#0000 So veeery delicate [02-Jun-24 08:26 PM] jvaler#0000 hm [02-Jun-24 08:27 PM] evany.#0000 I hadnโ€™t evaluated the double recipes much, I started spreadsheeting that and it seems really promising if you can overcome logistics [02-Jun-24 08:28 PM] evany.#0000 The prunplanner numbers are nice but always seem a bit off to me. [02-Jun-24 08:29 PM] jvaler#0000 i think i miscalculated my old INC evaluations, agri at 240/u and C at 600/u puts all the recipes equally profitable, and a good amount so {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1246999170225799299/image.png?ex=6814c8ba&is=6813773a&hm=73478e972bc38766d1d4d43a7653176f7d4d4eca99058342917c8c9db287f22d& [02-Jun-24 08:30 PM] jvaler#0000 50k/d is not bad [02-Jun-24 08:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i rescind my old complaints about C @ 600/u [02-Jun-24 08:32 PM] jvaler#0000 wait so wtf was happening here https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1229137487411154987 [02-Jun-24 08:32 PM] jvaler#0000 guh [02-Jun-24 08:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i need a time machine [02-Jun-24 08:34 PM] jvaler#0000 even at 300/u it's not as bad as that screenshot {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247000364033638492/image.png?ex=6814c9d6&is=68137856&hm=482812b7cdaf7a482d549419981673375ff0e47f41f891a682aeadc37bcd3250& [02-Jun-24 08:34 PM] jvaler#0000 did some CX nonsense happen that jacked up the reported price of agri? [02-Jun-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 dunno, but I can say that cost to me GRN only costs like 80/unit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜พ [02-Jun-24 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 make it 90/unit for fuel costs [02-Jun-24 08:36 PM] jvaler#0000 your words, they hurt my soul [02-Jun-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 doesn't look like it.... message dated april 14th {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247001167930720327/image.png?ex=6814ca96&is=68137916&hm=02d88e53c9f573667736dff4ae8dcfe64dd9a158559af0188835e58031689134& [02-Jun-24 08:37 PM] jvaler#0000 or wait maybe it's from the 350 spike on the 13th [02-Jun-24 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 oh my god it was [02-Jun-24 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 that explains everything [02-Jun-24 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 i've been wrong this whole time, 600/u C *is* correct [02-Jun-24 08:44 PM] evany.#0000 What was grn? [02-Jun-24 08:44 PM] jvaler#0000 350/u ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Jun-24 08:45 PM] jvaler#0000 erroneous spike in the CX caused me to be wrong for months god damnit ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ [02-Jun-24 08:46 PM] evany.#0000 Oh yeah, thatโ€™s wild expensive [02-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 idealized, GRN only C costs like 190/unit to make {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247007194742915173/Screenshot_2024-06-02_190057.png?ex=6814d033&is=68137eb3&hm=dd08a19b4501778be1b73e58253af4e81ba8ef1560137f32585d29877b12cad6& [02-Jun-24 09:06 PM] evany.#0000 I had it at 337/unit grn only with existing cx prices, but triple c was 630/unit [02-Jun-24 09:07 PM] evany.#0000 My numbers could be off I pulled them 10 days ago [02-Jun-24 09:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk if this is bad math on my part but {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247013423787540551/Screenshot_2024-06-02_202528.png?ex=6814d600&is=68138480&hm=3c6041228ae3986671b67f3b0bbb10a254a7f2af3c52d385e3cefa753745b721& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247013424119025754/Screenshot_2024-06-02_202536.png?ex=6814d600&is=68138480&hm=df713ace230561c59a1731944b5bd91082e56f11e5afce7ad043d3454936c631& [02-Jun-24 09:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 based on these {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247013625676435456/Screenshot_2024-06-02_202640.png?ex=6814d630&is=681384b0&hm=ebe32ec5bcf138678ef87fdbe33480474743fad6f69ba202193524a2fbbc6726& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247013626049597480/Screenshot_2024-06-02_202646.png?ex=6814d630&is=681384b0&hm=2eacab804f4305ee18418596c97e0a940c9fe48c86382aa042ea9398328c9cc1& [02-Jun-24 09:31 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™d argue itโ€™s bad math because your basically claiming that h20 -> grn is free [02-Jun-24 09:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh I do get H20 at 40/u [02-Jun-24 09:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so that is good math [02-Jun-24 09:32 PM] tanda#0000 due to not having my own supply of H2O, I get GRN at 90 [02-Jun-24 09:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok time to ISA it up [02-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 thats my point though. let me change that for a second if we had an agreement for you to make me GRN at 40/unit and i turned it into carbon - would you be happy with that? [02-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 i know it gets kind of ~meta~ conversation but no single base should be operating at a loss, your still paying yourself - even at 200$/unit a 13 frm base is only profiting 44k/day (according to prunplanner), so the least you could do is pay your frm base 200$/unit which makes your grn far more than 20-40$ [02-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 only way you'd wanna say your grn base is operating at a loss is if the space irs are showing up to do an audit ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Jun-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well I'm saying that it costs me 20 per GRN or HCP and I still make money on that, granted nothing crazy but its not a loss [02-Jun-24 10:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc it costs ~70 to make 4 units of GRN and HCP [02-Jun-24 10:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so that cost is 17.5/u of GRN and HCP so saying it costs 20/u at nascent isn't a loss to my understanding [02-Jun-24 10:14 PM] evany.#0000 yeah thats true and your right to say thats your cost but its not really including opportunity cost, 15k/day in consumables for pop, logistic costs repairs and ultimately the opportunity with permit. i'd actually be curious if theres any people that have scaled to the point where what do they value their permit cost at per day i wonder i.e like 50k/day ? a week? that sort of thing [02-Jun-24 10:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well even @ CX prices I believe I'd only make 25k a day [02-Jun-24 10:24 PM] evany.#0000 prunplanner tells me 13frm grn makes 44k/day profit selling grn @ 270/unit [02-Jun-24 10:25 PM] evany.#0000 i don't really trust those numbers.. grn is more realistically around 200-ish [02-Jun-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247028428016844850/Screenshot_2024-06-02_212536.png?ex=6814e3f9&is=68139279&hm=35969b865a88427f23312178d47c2bf049dd2839b1064572812333cd8a053f87& [02-Jun-24 10:26 PM] evany.#0000 i do have 5 experts in though^ [02-Jun-24 10:26 PM] evany.#0000 which with 13frm would take a long while [02-Jun-24 10:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247028813418725386/Screenshot_2024-06-02_212706.png?ex=6814e455&is=681392d5&hm=3a8ebdec6db9b55163f7f0331095d093d5f0e628a45fddf9a2ae28215991bc89& [02-Jun-24 10:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh and by no way I am saying you're wrong. I'm just explaining my thoughts [02-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 for sure- i'm not giving anyone trouble about it either - play how you wanna play and all that [02-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 as long as your having fun who the hell am i to say otherwise ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 ahh i see. yeah HCP / FRM mix [02-Jun-24 10:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and i have 13 farms not 14 [02-Jun-24 10:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I play to mine HAL ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 10:42 PM] evany.#0000 thats the challenge with the carbon hcp/frm and hcp/frm/mai theres a ton of issues with this number before i share it just for some to consider: it lacks any sort of logistics, repairs, time - it just takes into cost of materials -> into C assuming you have to buy from CX (and could buy from CX in sufficient amounts) but just strictly value wise the triple makes almost no sense unless your devaluing your GRN/HCP and especially MAI to 'base cost' {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247032580176351263/image.png?ex=6814e7d7&is=68139657&hm=fe7aed190268e0478378ff93a0e06a6c38f9bac0e9e9c2c77fdad48ebf48c224& [02-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 Thanks everyone for the feedback - though! [02-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 the HCP/GRN looks much better numberwise. if we can sustain the HCP [02-Jun-24 10:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho IDK how to price things interally yk [02-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 i dunno if you have ever played eve [02-Jun-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol nope [02-Jun-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i was told to not [02-Jun-24 10:51 PM] evany.#0000 its REALLY common in eve to see "some players" will mine for weeks and then turn minerals into a ship and sell a ship [02-Jun-24 10:51 PM] tanda#0000 man, EVE was some super good crack [02-Jun-24 10:51 PM] evany.#0000 and then when you look at their shit you see they turned 400mil worth of minerals into 200mil worth of ships [02-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 they would have been infinitely better off just right clicking selling all their minerals [02-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 but they want to say "im a ship builder" or "i make my own ships" or something [02-Jun-24 10:53 PM] evany.#0000 but your just kinda scratching your head cuz its like man you coulda sold it and bought two ships because someone else has a proper production chain setup and do it far more efficiently than you with perfect boosts / skills etc [02-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 ultimately its a game if thats your fun its kinda like 'sure bud good job' haha [02-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 and i'm happy to call myself out for being that kind of dumb, i spent 6 weeks building my first titan in like 2014 turned 160billion isk worth of mineral into 130billion isk worth of titan [02-Jun-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [02-Jun-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't think I'm doing anything crazy like that [02-Jun-24 10:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc both bases are profitable with CX prices [02-Jun-24 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so basically my profits from my FRM base is just shifted into my higher value product [02-Jun-24 10:58 PM] evany.#0000 if i had to offer some advice on this internal pricing i'd say theres no such thing as internal pricing, if you wouldn't be happy selling it at the exchange at that price than your internal cost is too low its the same 100$ you make either way but to say one stage made you zero dollars and the other made you 100$ is crazy more likely one made you 40$ and the other made you 60$ y'know? [02-Jun-24 10:58 PM] evany.#0000 you played tanda ? [02-Jun-24 10:59 PM] evany.#0000 and yeah i definitely don't mean to say you are doing something crazy. it would be hard to do that in this game [02-Jun-24 10:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh yeah no just a self sanity check [02-Jun-24 11:00 PM] evany.#0000 this game is a lot more punishing in a way [02-Jun-24 11:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 than eve? [02-Jun-24 11:00 PM] evany.#0000 yes [02-Jun-24 11:01 PM] evany.#0000 in this game you'd probably notice within a few days that your holy crap losing money on a base unless you had a bunch of planets covering for it that you somehow don't notice [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh yeah I see [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] evany.#0000 in eve its really easy to turn 100mil into 50mil and not notice [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah that was my first base making ALO on nascent [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i was very much upsidedown [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 had to coliq and start over [02-Jun-24 11:02 PM] evany.#0000 my deimos base (starter) i haven't scaled either. it still has tutorial buildings on it [02-Jun-24 11:03 PM] evany.#0000 took me three weeks to afford a single new smelter to start using my surplus ALO then i figured out i didn't have enough pops [02-Jun-24 11:04 PM] evany.#0000 depending on the price of carbon i was doing trips being like +3k/day barely skirting by [02-Jun-24 11:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I took out a loan and struggle bused it up [02-Jun-24 11:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 somehow got my deimos base maxed out [02-Jun-24 11:05 PM] evany.#0000 a really nice guy xflqr gave me 100k and i bought additional extractor/supply building before i stopped and was like why am i scaling this base it doesn't make me money [02-Jun-24 11:06 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247038615129948260/image.png?ex=6814ed76&is=68139bf6&hm=7e63313642c76100a6f4afcca7ea879d99d0b55518d6fda68548409180f9f2ec& [02-Jun-24 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah... [02-Jun-24 11:07 PM] evany.#0000 i read a forum post about the game from like 2022 that said it was a "good start" [02-Jun-24 11:07 PM] evany.#0000 "ok cool" [02-Jun-24 11:07 PM] evany.#0000 would not recommend right now.. [02-Jun-24 11:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I also read a form that said to mine ALO on nascent and was like cool [02-Jun-24 11:08 PM] evany.#0000 i honestly would write like a 'things you should know before playing' post [02-Jun-24 11:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah [02-Jun-24 11:08 PM] evany.#0000 the problem is people wouldn't read it until they already made decisions and their only real option would be to coliq [02-Jun-24 11:08 PM] evany.#0000 and thats assuming they got involved enough to join a discord or see a blerb about it somewhere [02-Jun-24 11:09 PM] evany.#0000 new player retention is probably really bad [02-Jun-24 11:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i started the game and looked at the choices I could make and siad yeah nope [02-Jun-24 11:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma find a tutorial [02-Jun-24 11:09 PM] evany.#0000 i'd be lying if i said i hadn't considered throwing in the towel too only reason i stuck around is i like a challenge and i figured i was doing something horribly wrong [02-Jun-24 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I found this discord [02-Jun-24 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 else I probs would've tapped out too [02-Jun-24 11:11 PM] evany.#0000 i felt compelled because i dragged other people into this shit with me - but honestly this place has been a saving grace in a lot of ways [02-Jun-24 11:14 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I wound up getting sucked into Manufacturing there too. Deeply enjoyed drone manufacture there [02-Jun-24 11:14 PM] evany.#0000 i for some reason still play.. more on the indy side.. not unlike this to be honest [02-Jun-24 11:14 PM] evany.#0000 have teeth when I need to though ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 honestly my biggest attraction to combat in EVE was early wormholes [02-Jun-24 11:16 PM] tanda#0000 small gang warfare at its best, imo [02-Jun-24 11:18 PM] evany.#0000 same [02-Jun-24 11:20 PM] evany.#0000 the biggest fleet i've probably fc'd is like 70 people or so. [02-Jun-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 I think the biggest I ever flew in was 15 [02-Jun-24 11:20 PM] tanda#0000 and we kicked butt [02-Jun-24 11:23 PM] evany.#0000 oh i have been in big ones like b-r5 with 60k people in it [02-Jun-24 11:23 PM] evany.#0000 but its not fun at all [02-Jun-24 11:23 PM] evany.#0000 sub 100 is where the fun is [02-Jun-24 11:23 PM] tanda#0000 I have a friend that was involved with early BoB in their titan building phase and said the only fun thing was ripping them off [02-Jun-24 11:24 PM] tanda#0000 so I steered clear of big time fleets there [02-Jun-24 11:25 PM] evany.#0000 eh i think its worth having the experience but its mostly just lag and listening to someone that hasn't showered for six days [02-Jun-24 11:26 PM] tanda#0000 well, the not showering for six days is mostly due to Time Dilation [02-Jun-24 11:26 PM] tanda#0000 that's how long it takes to finish big fleet battles [02-Jun-24 11:26 PM] evany.#0000 oh tell me about it [02-Jun-24 11:27 PM] evany.#0000 as b-r5 kicked off we were still using ventrilo - so many people putting teamviewer id's and passwords in chat "someone take over my titan i have to work i didn't sleep at all" [02-Jun-24 11:27 PM] evany.#0000 some of us were controlling 15 peoples accounts for them [02-Jun-24 11:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ™ƒ [02-Jun-24 11:27 PM] evany.#0000 praying for downtime to log us all out so we can sleep [02-Jun-24 11:28 PM] tanda#0000 I poke fun, but I think I actually quit before TiDi was a huge thing [02-Jun-24 11:28 PM] tanda#0000 I think it was in the trial stages? [02-Jun-24 11:28 PM] evany.#0000 TiDi was kind of always a thing same effect just less controlled [02-Jun-24 11:29 PM] evany.#0000 next month will be my 20th year in eve.. [02-Jun-24 11:29 PM] tanda#0000 oh man [02-Jun-24 11:30 PM] tanda#0000 I haven't touched EVE in a decade, I think [02-Jun-24 11:30 PM] tanda#0000 constant temptation to go back though [02-Jun-24 11:30 PM] evany.#0000 just hardware and optimizations got better over the years and they finally controlled the lag by implementing TiDi to try and wrap a container on it so instead of things slowing down and just becoming in-operable, they would deliberately slow things down until they became inoperable [02-Jun-24 11:31 PM] evany.#0000 same thing just flipped coin [02-Jun-24 11:31 PM] evany.#0000 well if you want someone to talk you into not coming back, or talk you into coming back feel free to hit me up in a DM or something ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Jun-24 11:33 PM] tanda#0000 I am saving my time for the impending release of the new expansion to the hit MMO FFXIV: with a free trial up to the Award Winning Stormblood Expansion! [02-Jun-24 11:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 this is my friends review of EVE ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247045595814953050/Screenshot_2024-06-02_223339.png?ex=6814f3f7&is=6813a277&hm=ddd1c7dc5c60cb4a36e57441882ae2fa1018743bc79bbbd3e66cab65f1aa0975& [02-Jun-24 11:36 PM] evany.#0000 lol [02-Jun-24 11:37 PM] evany.#0000 its kinda true in some ways [02-Jun-24 11:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my favoirte is how he played 200 more hours after not recomending it [02-Jun-24 11:38 PM] tanda#0000 sounds typical, honestly [02-Jun-24 11:38 PM] evany.#0000 honestly eve has changed a lot in the last decade [02-Jun-24 11:39 PM] evany.#0000 its pretty family friendly in comparison to the old days now. [02-Jun-24 11:39 PM] evany.#0000 its less new player friendly in a lot of ways because most things are now "figured out" so people will tell you if your doing something the "wrong way" [02-Jun-24 11:39 PM] tanda#0000 it also seems to have shrunk in scope a bit [02-Jun-24 11:40 PM] evany.#0000 the most "toxic" part now is people LOVE killboards [02-Jun-24 11:40 PM] evany.#0000 "HAL U DIDNT GET 20 KILLS THIS MONTH ON THE KILLBOARD WE CANT HAVE YOU WITH US ANYMORE /kick" [02-Jun-24 11:41 PM] evany.#0000 you died in a stupid way because your kid was crying in the other room so you went afk? /kick [02-Jun-24 11:41 PM] evany.#0000 "you make us look bad" [02-Jun-24 11:42 PM] evany.#0000 its no longer acceptable for the name calling or behavious or griefing in many ways yields a ban nowadays. most 'griefing' complaints i've seen in the last 5 years is people just not understanding mechanics of the game [02-Jun-24 11:43 PM] evany.#0000 admittedly there is a ton fo bad advice too, encouraging people to start their own corp to avoid npc taxes rather than join someone elses is the biggest one [02-Jun-24 11:44 PM] tanda#0000 my bigest issue with eve is that I can't find a good chunk of the same experience elsewhere [02-Jun-24 11:44 PM] tanda#0000 I want the manufacturing, mission running and mining experience of EVE in a seperate game and the best I can get is Avorion [02-Jun-24 11:45 PM] evany.#0000 i want to love avorion but ever since the weapon nerf i kind of hate it now [02-Jun-24 11:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lets play elite danergous ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 11:47 PM] evany.#0000 i've wanted to learn it - if your cool with having a noob around im down to play [02-Jun-24 11:47 PM] tanda#0000 one of thee biggest pluses I havee forr Avorion is that I can run guarded mining fleets [02-Jun-24 11:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i am noob too ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Jun-24 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1247049180741107792/Screenshot_2024-06-02_224806.png?ex=6814f74d&is=6813a5cd&hm=a342319fddcdca6b747a0044d6bdb7e7705850b5fb0a1a4cc267cc58b408fec3& [02-Jun-24 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 my ship blew up with millions in cargo so I kinda took a break [02-Jun-24 11:48 PM] evany.#0000 not in my experience! i usually make mining carriers usually with 4-8* the firepower of the local region they are in and they somehow still lose fights/ die to randoms [02-Jun-24 11:49 PM] tanda#0000 I always run escort frigates for my mining carriers [02-Jun-24 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 i built a stupidly oversized carrier with over 20million shields and he died before i could even load grid to see what was 'wrong' [02-Jun-24 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 was so mad i alt f4'd ๐Ÿ˜› [03-Jun-24 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Turns out I was misinterpreting what cost/split and cost / all cost meant... https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1247013625860980841 Got it sorted now I think [03-Jun-24 06:13 PM] evany.#0000 should i keep building incinerators even though i don't have the pop to handle them ? [03-Jun-24 06:15 PM] evany.#0000 or should i wait another ~3 days before cogc ? [03-Jun-24 06:19 PM] jvaler#0000 if you trust yourself to place them down before POPR, then you should wait. they provide no benefit without pop and will just add degradation time for nothing [03-Jun-24 06:20 PM] evany.#0000 the report was 2 days 11h ago. so i'm gonna assume it happens in4 days 13 hours? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Jun-24 06:21 PM] evany.#0000 friday might.. im guessing [03-Jun-24 06:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Ideally you want to build *right* before reports [03-Jun-24 06:22 PM] evany.#0000 ill be happy with anytime friday [03-Jun-24 06:22 PM] evany.#0000 not that minmaxy ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 friday night probably be out with the wife on the town anyway so eh [03-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 will do it after ifinish work - thanks though! [03-Jun-24 06:31 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 14 bases and I think I've only looked at POPR before building once ๐Ÿ˜† I built a food base a while back for KOM and I think I accidentally built it like 2 hours after POPR and was running on ~12% efficiency for a whole week ๐Ÿ™ƒ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [03-Jun-24 06:32 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 idc though. I don't even understand half the accounting and financial screens in this game tbh, and I've taken an accounting class, lol. If the number seem to be going up: ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Jun-24 06:32 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 real life money is stressful enough for me. PrUn is just a way for me to live out my fantasy of paying all my bills with enough extra to throw at my friends ๐Ÿ˜† [03-Jun-24 06:51 PM] evany.#0000 i feel ya. JUST got off phone with mortgage broker. honestly most the graphs seem pretty worthless [03-Jun-24 06:52 PM] evany.#0000 all i really care about is moving averages, number of units on market / moved on market and spread [03-Jun-24 06:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yay hot date [04-Jun-24 02:29 AM] akyantor#0000 Good tip. I hadn't really appriciated this until I've started building a base on a less populated planet. The first two bases were on very high pop planets, so always received enough pop to meet any new demand after placing buildings. Need to keep a closer eye on that figure in brackets under current workforce for the smaller planets. ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Jun-24 02:58 AM] akyantor#0000 I've been thinking about what to do next after I've finished building up my INC farm for C. It doesn't look like many of the planetary upkeep supplies are available on the internal market. If I went focused on them, Would anyone be interested in affordable versions of infrastructure upkeep supplies (e.g. OFF, SUN etc.) ? *It may be there's a good reason no-one does it... maybe the margins are thin - not finished researching it yet* [04-Jun-24 03:05 AM] evany.#0000 I think people donโ€™t do these because the only time Iโ€™ve seen them used is for hq upgrades which are a one and done kinda thing which probably make them bad to produce if your expecting consistent returns, Iโ€™d wager majority of players never even play long enough to even upgrade, never mind levels 4+ where those come in [04-Jun-24 04:06 AM] akyantor#0000 I think some have recurring need. For example, looks like if you have a safety station (pop infra) on a planet, then you periodically need to top it up with fresh office supplies. It was those consumables that I was considering focusing on. [04-Jun-24 04:44 AM] razesdark#0000 It seems to me that a rather small group of players manage a vast amount of the planets. I assume they have access to the resources they need and thats why the market is really bad. [04-Jun-24 04:50 AM] flor2081#0000 usually it's cheaper to upgrade your SST than to supply 2/3 or 3/3 of the upkeep [04-Jun-24 04:50 AM] flor2081#0000 so normally you supply only OFF and upgrade the SST accordingly [04-Jun-24 04:50 AM] flor2081#0000 which is why SUN isn't really popular for example [04-Jun-24 04:51 AM] flor2081#0000 and otherwise govs usually make those internally with a constant demand/supply [04-Jun-24 06:12 AM] jvaler#0000 OFF are pretty good last i checked, if a little hard to sell. SUN don't sell at all cause they're a very cost-inefficient upkeep option [04-Jun-24 06:12 AM] akyantor#0000 That would explain why OFF seemed to have a somewhat healthy market when I saw others not so much {Reactions} โœ… [04-Jun-24 06:13 AM] akyantor#0000 It may be I'd need to look across all the pop upkeep items to see which ones actually trade [04-Jun-24 06:13 AM] akyantor#0000 As they're different for all the building types [04-Jun-24 06:13 AM] flor2081#0000 well, OFF and TUB are nice [04-Jun-24 06:14 AM] flor2081#0000 and DW obv [04-Jun-24 06:14 AM] flor2081#0000 besides that there's UTS, and I'm doing FOD too now on my park [04-Jun-24 06:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™d always take OFF [04-Jun-24 06:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I am a governor now ๐Ÿ™ƒ [04-Jun-24 06:20 AM] akyantor#0000 I actually had OFF in my current future plans anyway, so maybe that's one to go for [04-Jun-24 06:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think SUN might be another one id need [04-Jun-24 06:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But not in any huge amounts [04-Jun-24 06:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I can check later [04-Jun-24 06:21 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, doesn't look like that's consumed as much anyway [04-Jun-24 06:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think if you look at some of the buildings in Population Infrastructure you could see how much they consume [04-Jun-24 06:22 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, that's what I started looking at this morning. [04-Jun-24 06:22 AM] akyantor#0000 I saw OFF was very common, so will do some more research this evening. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jun-24 10:49 AM] evany.#0000 @sidepipe tag your it. thank you! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Jun-24 11:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 ETA is 1 day 6 hours ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jun-24 07:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'm kinda at loose ends as far as immediate plans, I'm dropping CHPs on Elon to round out that base, and then it's a toss up between trying to work towards heavy INS manufacturing or applying for a loan to start working in SE-110 [05-Jun-24 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 is anyone interested in doing plans involving either of those two goals? or has an idea for a project I can help with? [05-Jun-24 08:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 What all are you making right now? [05-Jun-24 08:56 PM] tanda#0000 I am currently making AL, BBH, BSE, and MG, with some overflow production in C [05-Jun-24 08:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 INS can be pretty profitable and I think it should be easy to do on a smaller scale to start out with. I make a ton of extra THF if that helps ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jun-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 it does immensely, actually [05-Jun-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 the LAB base to make THF is more expensive than the INS base [05-Jun-24 08:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 And you donโ€™t need much THF either - I think Iโ€™m #4 on the leaderboard and I only make 720 ish a week ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Jun-24 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, a full base of PP3 churning out INS only uses 70 a day [05-Jun-24 09:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 If you decide to go INS, let me know and we can figure out a fair price for THF ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 okay, I will definitely do that [05-Jun-24 09:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m being outrageously undercut in the DDT market right now, so I might switch to making more THF and maybe TCL [05-Jun-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 I've been eyeing that TCL market, but not sure it's liquid enough to take advantage of without being able to produce KV [05-Jun-24 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 I settled for rounding out my Elon base with CL production [05-Jun-24 09:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 CL is a nice money maker ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Jun-24 09:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Griffonstone CHPs was my third base, I think! Price has gone up a fair bit since then too [05-Jun-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 I look forward to the influx of cash! [05-Jun-24 09:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Plus you get to deal with everyoneโ€™s favorite element - NA. I can hardly give the stuff away ๐Ÿ˜ [05-Jun-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 I was looking into that and I'm glad it's worth 25 AIC on the MM [05-Jun-24 10:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I have part of my base on Nike making INS and there seems to be space for more INS production [05-Jun-24 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 like I've said elsewhere, I want to crash the INS price a bit [05-Jun-24 10:19 PM] tanda#0000 it's insane how much it costs [05-Jun-24 10:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'd be careful how much you crash it because PP3 otherwise doesn't make much that is consistently bought on CX [05-Jun-24 10:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I hopped between making different Rfabs before resting on INS [06-Jun-24 05:56 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Go for it. PiBoy developed an entire system just for making insane amounts of INS to crash the price. Right as he got going the other biggest INS producer quit... he was holding the price at 120 before, now he has to hold it at 150. [06-Jun-24 05:57 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 So there's definitely room in that market I think [07-Jun-24 09:36 AM] antisyntax#0000 is Phobos viable for a second base (farming H2O and O for C production)? Preferably want to keep my starter bases in Ant I, II, or III [07-Jun-24 09:41 AM] jvaler#0000 phobos has terrible deposits, i wouldn't. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248648018895573123/image.png?ex=6814d996&is=68138816&hm=35259ff15263e27266507e4906507cc8dfabb22d208ba3567869bec9a5f7c33e& [07-Jun-24 09:44 AM] antisyntax#0000 what do you recommend? [07-Jun-24 09:47 AM] akyantor#0000 tbh, if you want to get into C then I'd have suggested going Harmonia... it's not in ANT I, II, or II, but you have an ample supply of H2O and get a foothold one of the more fertile planets in Antares space. *I started out there, and have since switched to dedicate Harmonia to FRMs and moved INC to 759g, to enable me to expand C production.* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 10:01 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I only use it for SIO and FE, and Iโ€™m in the process of dismantling my base there to move to Vulcan {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 10:18 AM] antisyntax#0000 can you have two seperate plots / bases on the same planet, and if so, how does logistics work? [07-Jun-24 10:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Only one plot per planet [07-Jun-24 10:18 AM] antisyntax#0000 damn ok [07-Jun-24 10:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Sorry base [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] antisyntax#0000 so then... [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can have up to 1000 in one base [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] antisyntax#0000 is it worth it to split a harmonia base in RIGs and FRMs, or just one? [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just FRMs imo [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Buy the water [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] antisyntax#0000 fr? [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [07-Jun-24 10:19 AM] antisyntax#0000 hmm [07-Jun-24 10:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Trust me bro ๐Ÿ˜Ž [07-Jun-24 10:20 AM] antisyntax#0000 im just trying to make C so its cheaper for my SMEs lol [07-Jun-24 10:20 AM] antisyntax#0000 is FRMs the best path for that? [07-Jun-24 10:20 AM] akyantor#0000 I've currently got rigs on Harmonia... but tbh will start phasing them out soon to have more FRM... not very efficient given how cheap H2O is. [07-Jun-24 10:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But I wouldnโ€™t have FRm and INc since CoGC donโ€™t match up on the same planet [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 ideally i want a base per production chain until i can fully produce AL without buying anything from CX or LM [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 but we're talking about what, 6-12 bases? [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 so that'll be a while [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] antisyntax#0000 assuming i specialize one product per base [07-Jun-24 10:21 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Flux and O are cheap ish [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 i mean im talking months out [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 ill buy until then ofc [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But you would need FRM, ALO+C, LST, FLX and O [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 i have ALO kinda rn [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So 5 + 1 for the smelting base [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 its split with my SMEs on Deimos [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 8:20 [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [07-Jun-24 10:22 AM] antisyntax#0000 almost covers the deficit [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] antisyntax#0000 8 or 7 idk [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I would nascent ALO + C [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But you need a WCB on your ships [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah thats part of the upgrade plan ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Otherwise youโ€™ll be wishing you were dead [07-Jun-24 10:23 AM] antisyntax#0000 two starter ships is not sufficient once i have more than one base lol [07-Jun-24 10:24 AM] antisyntax#0000 you think i could get away with only one WCB ? [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 i guess i need to do some major number crunching today [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 lol [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 welcome to PRUN [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I made too many bases at the same time so my internal meter for what is doable with one WCB is skewed [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m drowning in rocks [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 what type of rocks? i may be interested if i need some ๐Ÿ˜‰ [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ALO and HAL [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But I canโ€™t move them fast enough [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] antisyntax#0000 where is the ALO sourced? [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nascent [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] antisyntax#0000 is it sustainable and eco-friendly? [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] antisyntax#0000 lol [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Very eco friendly [07-Jun-24 10:26 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 where is Nascent? thats ANT I or III? [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uhh [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh wait i have a ship going there [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh thats a whole 'nother sector [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 For my C โ˜บ๏ธ [07-Jun-24 10:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeh [07-Jun-24 10:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 if i didn't have 20 days of burn for ALO i'd pick up some too ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Jun-24 10:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah getting EXTs for my SMEs is such a logistics saver [07-Jun-24 10:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got 1.2k rn there [07-Jun-24 10:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 going from like -300 / day to -60 [07-Jun-24 10:28 AM] antisyntax#0000 i mean thats the differencec of 4 days of burn and 20 [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And like 4k HAL on Halcyon {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 wait [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 ... [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 Hal producing HAL on Halcyon [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿค” [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m the governor too ๐Ÿ˜Š [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 oph boy [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] antisyntax#0000 i don't think i can handle that [07-Jun-24 10:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s a whole bit [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m trying to be the universe #1 producer of HAL too [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m close โ˜บ๏ธ at #3 [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 damn [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 you must be [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 salty [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 heh [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [07-Jun-24 10:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 sorry [07-Jun-24 10:31 AM] antisyntax#0000 that was terrible [07-Jun-24 10:31 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 10:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Very punny [07-Jun-24 10:32 AM] antisyntax#0000 I'm totally encrystalized by halite; it rocks my world! It's sodium fine how something so salty can be such a gem. When life gets rough, I always turn to my trusty halite to dissolve my troubles away! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ“ˆ ๐Ÿง‚ [07-Jun-24 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 do buildings cost more for less-habitable planets, or just the starting base cost? [07-Jun-24 11:08 AM] flor2081#0000 all buildings [07-Jun-24 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok [07-Jun-24 11:08 AM] flor2081#0000 so repairs too [07-Jun-24 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 thnx [07-Jun-24 11:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 i take it producing HCP is the best FRM product for INC'ing C? [07-Jun-24 11:49 AM] akyantor#0000 I've been using GRN (4x H2O recipe), seemed to be most profitable when I worked it out in prunplanner {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 11:50 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh yeah that will give me an additional 10% C with that recipe [07-Jun-24 12:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Anybody still setting up carbon bases ? Wanna know if we can expect C to go further down [07-Jun-24 12:03 PM] jvaler#0000 for single input, GRN is best. for double input, GRN+HCP is best {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 12:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 alright. my 5 step plan is done... just trying to decide whether to pull the trigger or not [07-Jun-24 12:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 its a 2.4m AIC plan, which will take me 17 days of ROI once its all done [07-Jun-24 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I want to make 2 more [07-Jun-24 12:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 i just gotta find someone who will loan me 2.4m. i may have to take multiple ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lowstrife? [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 its based on area [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In UFO discord [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 so i could get 1.5m [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 because i have 750 area [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We could probably get you more to make up the difference [07-Jun-24 12:07 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248684897116356738/image.png?ex=6814fbee&is=6813aa6e&hm=ad2a658cc604fdf7d7770409a906a0f30566550ea198ff7c6ac559de994e7645& [07-Jun-24 12:08 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248684992951750749/image.png?ex=6814fc05&is=6813aa85&hm=48e1b2640644ac1e6f195d669a156d7e439dddceaa02c24e2f12ba95b44517a9& [07-Jun-24 12:08 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248685065702211614/image.png?ex=6814fc17&is=6813aa97&hm=8c0869a321da1ed3dbb2d48d03ea3f36a635953d71400e6d59fe4c453dc41ecb& [07-Jun-24 12:08 PM] antisyntax#0000 is that worth? [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 >AL base is making the most profit [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh how the tables have turned [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] antisyntax#0000 its that 715/u ANT price [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Aight [07-Jun-24 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 @antisyntax I can loan up to 1M at 0% if that helps {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 12:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 At least we are aren't Ito {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248685440261820446/2024-06-07_10-09.png?ex=6814fc70&is=6813aaf0&hm=492fb7d466bbec4b5b6a9219702a86eaf643755f6976de1dd0e3ae0c9709c98f& [07-Jun-24 12:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 In shambles rn [07-Jun-24 12:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Both would be 192/d when fully up [07-Jun-24 12:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Any idea when you'll get them done ? [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Soon would be nice [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 HOLY SHIT I JUST SAW AL.NC1 [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GFr6uxw8WrsKKnBjYCOpp6liaaPPw2rxVNJ9GcP_XYc/https/media.tenor.com/UbGii9oGosoAAAAe/money-wallet.png [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Metallurgist eating good for once [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 dayaaaam [07-Jun-24 12:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 AL is so back {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248685862540017694/image.png?ex=6814fcd5&is=6813ab55&hm=733c5feb59030822ad362ef09b5b5ea1bcd52cc2f96f704a598a79190df4f083& [07-Jun-24 12:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 is this a good plan? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248686061740097687/image.png?ex=6814fd04&is=6813ab84&hm=5052821900c1ea8e286c8da14d22557ac871dda2e6aa0fd1eeeb41e529b8a674& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248686062029508639/image.png?ex=6814fd04&is=6813ab84&hm=33558d2c3e9ec30a4d133e004a6b741f2b0d0a0a40b54d08178441b7f2be7641& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248686062369243229/image.png?ex=6814fd04&is=6813ab84&hm=76074731141ec8c079ce64038522d5ef033f21d20bdb8c4a9d4918fd8e9d08da& [07-Jun-24 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol the bid at 260 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Jun-24 12:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 ik the harmonia is missing 20 people but i want to keep it as maxed area / 1 permit as posssible [07-Jun-24 12:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would be INC and EXT on the same planet to get CoGC bonus {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 12:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 back to the drawing board! [07-Jun-24 12:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah the missing 1.96% efficiency probably won't make a difference ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 12:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 so INC counts as resource extraction? [07-Jun-24 12:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [07-Jun-24 12:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 hm... i seem to be making 6.5k / day less with that idea [07-Jun-24 12:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 assuming i reduce the EXT on Nascent to the minimum required to sustain my SMEs, and fill the rest with 10 INC [07-Jun-24 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Something like that [07-Jun-24 12:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can show you mine in a minute [07-Jun-24 12:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 woah bro [07-Jun-24 12:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 we cool but not *that* cool [07-Jun-24 12:18 PM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Jun-24 12:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ™ƒ [07-Jun-24 12:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 so if i give nascent two permits, then i can get AL, ALO, C, and GRN all in the net positives [07-Jun-24 12:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 and make 164.5k/day [07-Jun-24 12:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 question is can i ship all that on two WCBs [07-Jun-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248688858921435247/Screenshot_2024-06-07_112311.png?ex=6814ff9f&is=6813ae1f&hm=dc91c428c3bac449e5bf05e84538943a753a065d8bf0a94fc8b7b0f23e444e50& [07-Jun-24 12:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 but that would require two HQ upgrades ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i've been doing fine with one WCB [07-Jun-24 12:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 really? [07-Jun-24 12:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 i feel like this is a lot of shipping {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248688992732319876/image.png?ex=6814ffbf&is=6813ae3f&hm=09b76fef7052c3b0ce7615d25d3ef9302708a1c8e71164a5b841e9c0b205e338& [07-Jun-24 12:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248689028598075523/Screenshot_2024-06-07_112411.png?ex=6814ffc7&is=6813ae47&hm=cba502a3823ae516dbaca6ca4cd036e16c83b5cbe9217d814df3187616a4d450& [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah I've been going Harmonia -> Nascent -> deimos-> Nike [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 wanna hop in a vc and i can share screen? [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and you don't have Nike [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 give me 30 minutes [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 nw [07-Jun-24 12:25 PM] antisyntax#0000 when you're ready, https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915278 [07-Jun-24 12:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i'll do that on my lunch break {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 12:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The fortune is looking good, you got this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248689877025816686/20240607_102553.png?ex=68150092&is=6813af12&hm=a7c38308ada8c65b55d58eae0f695bb77a0df6a5147279e49b8a705be167dbec& [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 (I don't believe in it but I learned it for fun) [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 i have no idea what im looking at ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Screw financial advice, my tarot deck has got my back [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 Prunplanner ๐Ÿšซ [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 Tarot โœ… [07-Jun-24 12:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:29 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's something like "You will find a hidden path you haven't seen before, leading to reverse of fortune (from meh to good) and you will enjoy success" [07-Jun-24 12:29 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You will find a good base plan and make $$$ [07-Jun-24 12:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Would you draw cards for me since I might be lending money to AntiSyntax? ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll do a fancier spread {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [07-Jun-24 12:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The first one was "past, present, future" [07-Jun-24 12:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://www.angelpaths.com/working-with-tarot/spreads/five-card-spread/ [07-Jun-24 12:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This website also has a "56 card spread" [07-Jun-24 12:36 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It took me like 30 minutes and from itI got that I'd fight four dudes that would start an unsuccesful burger chain [07-Jun-24 12:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Jun-24 12:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 or maybe [07-Jun-24 12:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 you'd join them [07-Jun-24 12:37 PM] antisyntax#0000 and start Five Guys [07-Jun-24 12:39 PM] antisyntax#0000 or, you fought them... in court. because you are secretely a copyright lawer and they started "Four Guys", a knockoff of Five Guys. you were suing them on behalf of Five Guys [07-Jun-24 12:39 PM] antisyntax#0000 and because they lost the lawsuit, they were unsucessful [07-Jun-24 12:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 In the past you have been influenced by good fortune, but lending out the money may lead to either a reverse of fortune for you (good to bad) or new possibilities if you don't wait and make use of the opportunity (to use the cheaper ALO/C) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248693574338482337/20240607_103747.png?ex=68150403&is=6813b283&hm=baac94fa4186f1b106b1ce17128c5c5d6564debe7aa86051b0c3b74829da0b34& [07-Jun-24 12:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There are like general meanings for cards that people tend to follow but at the end of the day, connecting and making sense of it all is just making shit up with cards [07-Jun-24 12:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The sun (left card) is generally all good things, the way that the sun makes you feel, etc [07-Jun-24 12:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There's also modifications you can do, like making use of reverse cards [07-Jun-24 12:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And implementing zodiacs, but my level as a witch is not high enough to be making shit up THAT hard for zodiacs [07-Jun-24 12:46 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I do wanna try reverse cards [07-Jun-24 12:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, I've decided that I'm doing all of my future business decisions through tarot ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 12:47 PM] antisyntax#0000 im sorry [07-Jun-24 12:47 PM] antisyntax#0000 tf [07-Jun-24 12:47 PM] antisyntax#0000 did FLX.AI1 literally go from 200 to 100 in one day? [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's the opportunity! [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 the cards work ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 wait [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Get to smelting [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 no im just stupid and don't know how to read a chart [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean it is lower than usual [07-Jun-24 12:48 PM] antisyntax#0000 but its 100 is the sell price [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248695252680966185/image.png?ex=68150593&is=6813b413&hm=53067423873aaa828b386010135049c00feda3bc8fd6c71b76495d04773be802& [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, it looks like someone was just selling into bids at 103 [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 i should learn how to actually read that data [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 or are they asks? the requests ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 all i know is this is good for me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248695396432351282/image.png?ex=681505b6&is=6813b436&hm=367b3d63cc656e6a7765f6567bae08d14f792215e9548547eed695bb691e7f62& [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 line go up, i make more money [07-Jun-24 12:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 thats the extent of my chart knowledge [07-Jun-24 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 so, I'm pretty sure this is how it works - each of the bars indicates the movement from the end of one period to another [07-Jun-24 12:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 thats quite the movement [07-Jun-24 12:51 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean flx is a 100 difference [07-Jun-24 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248695769247121539/image.png?ex=6815060f&is=6813b48f&hm=fe54fece76e3d8d74fb69e3ad7eebb8906ef72e6c4406e90366ba8b12adab03e& [07-Jun-24 12:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 they're based on transactions, not bids or asks [07-Jun-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 That's not too bad for flx [07-Jun-24 12:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 so the 103 is just because someone filled a request at 103, not that the buy or sell price is 103. because that last bar is for the current period, it indicates that the most recent transaction was at 103 [07-Jun-24 12:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'm almost 65% sure that's how it works [07-Jun-24 12:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 asks chatgpt [07-Jun-24 12:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 DDT has a similar pattern in AI1 right now, because someone recently sold into Idea Company's bid at 2710 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1248696396370935958/image.png?ex=681506a4&is=6813b524&hm=c7100a6c15fb21bfe97753f64de3551d26a5d340f8605e01767f9ad80ff455be& [07-Jun-24 12:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 yeah no im not gonna data dump sorry [07-Jun-24 12:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 https://github.com/AntiSyntax/PRUN/blob/main/Candlestick%20Chart%20Guide.md [07-Jun-24 12:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 there, if you want to read it [07-Jun-24 12:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 ty ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Jun-24 12:56 PM] antisyntax#0000 nw [07-Jun-24 12:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 the one thing I've always wondered is when they say "price" for a candlestick chart, do they mean the bid or the ask? or do they mean the most recent transacted price, whatever that may be [07-Jun-24 12:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 ``` In trading terminology, the "price" shown on the chart typically refers to the last traded price, which is the price at which the most recent transaction occurred. This is neither specifically the buy price (ask price) nor the sell price (bid price) but rather the price at which a buyer and a seller agreed to execute a trade. In the context of Prosperous Universe, this means that the candlestick chart reflects the prices at which transactions were completed, providing a historical view of the asset's market activity. This last traded price is often used to analyze market trends and price movements.``` [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah got it. that would make sense. otherwise DDT would be at either 2980 (ask) or 2720 (bid), not 2710 [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 Price on the Chart: Reflects the last traded price (the agreed-upon price between a buyer and a seller). [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 cool [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 now i know a bit more than i did before [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 too bad I'm ignoring all that information and running my business by cards now ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 01:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [07-Jun-24 02:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 Quick question, what are the terms on that offer? [07-Jun-24 02:26 PM] jvaler#0000 this is nascent right? 7 EXT + 14 INC is the sweet spot for C maximization while staying ALO neutral with 20 deimos SME [07-Jun-24 02:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep its nascent [07-Jun-24 02:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 good question! up to 1M, 0% interest, 60 days to pay back sound okay? [07-Jun-24 02:27 PM] antisyntax#0000 sounds great. [07-Jun-24 02:28 PM] antisyntax#0000 once i get an A-OK from uncle and paris on their stock, ill send a cont over [07-Jun-24 02:29 PM] antisyntax#0000 ye. 13 frms on harmonia, and 8ext+14inc on nascent [07-Jun-24 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could drop an EXT and add a STO [07-Jun-24 02:29 PM] antisyntax#0000 i already have one sto [07-Jun-24 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could have two [07-Jun-24 02:29 PM] antisyntax#0000 don't really think i need two atm since ill be moving things around every day or two {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jun-24 02:30 PM] antisyntax#0000 my main base isn't even fully using 1 sto atm, so i figured if i need the space i can move some buildings around then but i rather produce more mats and make more money then just sit on product [07-Jun-24 02:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [07-Jun-24 02:36 PM] jvaler#0000 you can have 4 ๐Ÿ˜น [07-Jun-24 02:36 PM] jvaler#0000 that's what i did [07-Jun-24 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 True [07-Jun-24 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I like STO [07-Jun-24 02:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 More STO=bigger rock pile [07-Jun-24 07:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 STO are best building [07-Jun-24 07:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 So many STO [08-Jun-24 10:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 so thigns happened, had to reinstall my main disk, but... the first thing i did after the clean reinstall was sign into PRUN ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Jun-24 11:03 AM] tanda#0000 I bet it runs so smooth now [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah but my XIT needs to refresh so i won't know my burn for a while lol [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 had to re-setup PMMG [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] tanda#0000 PMMG just updated last night too [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh? [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 anything cool> [08-Jun-24 11:04 AM] tanda#0000 new burn list isn't quite the way I liked it [08-Jun-24 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 whats different about it? [08-Jun-24 11:05 AM] tanda#0000 but burn_All has a collapsible list of burn by base [08-Jun-24 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 i just use XIT BURN_(planet) [08-Jun-24 11:06 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1249031691780100266/Screenshot_2024-06-08_090551.png?ex=6814ed69&is=68139be9&hm=79539487cd7dd51435a97ca8dee60eb40c5ab5d8f116d5faf8444766b8395d2b& [08-Jun-24 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 that will be useful [08-Jun-24 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 to use burn-all [08-Jun-24 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 im working on going from 1 base to 3 in the coming week or two [08-Jun-24 11:06 AM] tanda#0000 nice, I may have missed it, but what are your expansions going to be? [08-Jun-24 11:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 mining alo and producing carbon for my SMEs [08-Jun-24 11:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 Nascent and Harmonia [08-Jun-24 11:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 should triple my profit [08-Jun-24 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 and ill be able to sell some C as well [08-Jun-24 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 since ill be +66/day [08-Jun-24 11:08 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, the cost of C decrease from that will definitely raise your profits {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jun-24 11:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh yeah, i moved from windows to linux, so we'll see [08-Jun-24 11:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 its butter right now, but its also linux so ๐Ÿคท [08-Jun-24 11:11 AM] antisyntax#0000 ALO be doing some funky things the past few months {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1249033058120892436/image.png?ex=6814eeae&is=68139d2e&hm=0d89187fec4f4d2b47d7d8c00b0bbe915df4b8915a6de0c179f1dda493f92654& [08-Jun-24 11:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 is it just me or is prun kinda dying rn [08-Jun-24 11:13 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, I think some people stopped self-producing ALO when it crashed [08-Jun-24 11:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 running a bit slow [08-Jun-24 11:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 but thats a 90 day graph [08-Jun-24 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 well you can also see that huge spike on volume right before this last surge, lol [08-Jun-24 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 someone nearly bought out the market [08-Jun-24 11:28 AM] jvaler#0000 _ALL IS COLLAPSABLE NOW???!?!1?1//?1! [08-Jun-24 11:28 AM] tanda#0000 as of this morning! [08-Jun-24 11:29 AM] tanda#0000 when I went to bed it was not [08-Jun-24 11:29 AM] jvaler#0000 just broke up with FIO, PMMG Is my new best friend [08-Jun-24 11:30 AM] jvaler#0000 this *has* to go on my main screen [08-Jun-24 11:30 AM] jvaler#0000 where to fit it though... [08-Jun-24 11:30 AM] tanda#0000 I still need to redo all my screens again, lol [08-Jun-24 11:31 AM] tanda#0000 I'm just happy all my bases are finally full {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1249038110143152280/Screenshot_2024-06-08_093117.png?ex=6814f363&is=6813a1e3&hm=e99d2dbc8ec23c8a5fa28e6fdabefe04b9cccb763a0a9b6b176eebea63b28785& [08-Jun-24 11:32 AM] jvaler#0000 love that [09-Jun-24 04:05 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Responding to @PPP chat because that channel is read only for me. I can sell some INS soon at good prices if it's needed here. Or if you just want to start a project check out the KI-401 system. PiBoy has settled and set up the whole system just for making as much INS as possible ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ great place for a project [09-Jun-24 04:07 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah i just gave myself the role to so i could chat there, maybe we should open it up to all members (: [09-Jun-24 04:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah I don't see why it should be closed off [09-Jun-24 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 I was reading back through PPP... kinda seems to me that it's evolving, so maybe PPP is a short term title / clan ? I dunno ? [09-Jun-24 04:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Have any advice on governing goods ? Which ones you think would be best to make easily available on CX ? [09-Jun-24 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 ...or is everything in the past day still plastics ? [09-Jun-24 04:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 CULT is the broad umbrella corp for projects like PPP {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Jun-24 04:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 So an INS project would be called something else [09-Jun-24 04:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe it would be funny to follow the PPP pattern and call it something so that the abbreviation is III [09-Jun-24 04:16 PM] igfloz#0000 Illustrious Insulation Industries , lol [09-Jun-24 04:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Perhaps [09-Jun-24 04:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 leading to Incredible Insulation Income (we hope ๐Ÿ˜„ ) [09-Jun-24 04:19 PM] flor2081#0000 or perhaps rename PPP? "plastic producing persons" doesnt sound so cool imo ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Jun-24 04:22 PM] tanda#0000 technically INS is still derived from plastics [09-Jun-24 04:23 PM] flor2081#0000 PPPP => plastic produced processing persons [09-Jun-24 04:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 lol [09-Jun-24 04:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We add one more P with every project {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Jun-24 04:23 PM] flor2081#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Jun-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 that sounds like it would get very confusing [09-Jun-24 04:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 true [09-Jun-24 04:24 PM] flor2081#0000 nahh [09-Jun-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 which project was the TSH project? Was it PPPPPP or PPPPPPP? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ต (2) ๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ (2) PP2 [09-Jun-24 04:26 PM] flor2081#0000 ๐Ÿ‡ต ๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ :PP2: [09-Jun-24 04:26 PM] flor2081#0000 lol [09-Jun-24 04:27 PM] igfloz#0000 oh jeez ! [09-Jun-24 04:27 PM] flor2081#0000 cant find any more P's :/ [09-Jun-24 04:27 PM] tanda#0000 wait, PP3 and PP4 aren't in here? [09-Jun-24 04:27 PM] flor2081#0000 :FP: ๐Ÿ‡ต ๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ :PP2: [09-Jun-24 04:28 PM] flor2081#0000 that counts? [09-Jun-24 04:31 PM] tanda#0000 do you happen to know where PiBoy imports his THF from? [09-Jun-24 04:31 PM] flor2081#0000 he makes it [09-Jun-24 04:31 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ probably more advice than you want ๐Ÿ˜† I've spent far too much time thinking about this leading up to the politics update, lol. But in general, most governors make what they need or buy it in private deals. But the most used upkeep items are OFF and DW. If you want more of a guaranteed income though feel free to DM me. I've been talking with Archiel from OOG about sourcing things, since KAWA and OOG together govern like 30+ planets and over 2m population. So we're the primary consumers of some of the popi specific items and I'll know our shortages better soon [09-Jun-24 04:31 PM] flor2081#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1249476087604576276/image.png?ex=68149109&is=68133f89&hm=7b7aff5c128a78b2bb6180fa32653d7e9a5d5c62eb85753247b07ac63031e990& [09-Jun-24 04:33 PM] flor2081#0000 also gets his own Ar {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1249476403062378536/image.png?ex=68149154&is=68133fd4&hm=57160037dc22a274cf5a518bc186960d2993871adba1078b789bcf0f80af2ef2& [09-Jun-24 04:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 He imports the PE though ๐Ÿ˜‰ (hence the cheep INS I can offer ๐Ÿ˜…) [09-Jun-24 04:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We want to make it so you can be a governor and buy from CX instead of absolutely having to supply yourself. Any upkeep goods that aren't available ? [09-Jun-24 04:34 PM] flor2081#0000 i'm a gov that gets everything from the cx, its very doable [09-Jun-24 04:34 PM] flor2081#0000 i guess TUB isnt great to buy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] flor2081#0000 but then you just upgrade your INF to only do OFF [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] flor2081#0000 i've got 2 planets like that and it's pretty easy [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 A lot, yeah. But you might struggle with volume at first. A lot of the BRM stuff is rarely made or used but might be if it was cheap (REA, PFE, SOI) [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Oh and UTS [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] flor2081#0000 oh yeah UTS sucks [09-Jun-24 04:35 PM] flor2081#0000 make uts [09-Jun-24 04:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 i just barely got cut off in that screenshot ๐Ÿฅฒ [09-Jun-24 04:36 PM] flor2081#0000 even then they're not really worth the price over the stuff like DW and OFF [09-Jun-24 04:37 PM] flor2081#0000 though SOI is decent, but that's already pretty good on cx no? [09-Jun-24 04:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i was thinking of incidents in AA where unaffiliated people would pester projects for trades of items that aren't meant to be traded by the project but that doesn't really make sense here, so i'll remove that [09-Jun-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 should be fixed now i think? [09-Jun-24 04:41 PM] igfloz#0000 ppp-info I'm open, but ppp-gen I still apear to be blocked [09-Jun-24 04:43 PM] tanda#0000 sorry, I meant do you know where he makes it at [09-Jun-24 04:45 PM] flor2081#0000 ah, sorry no clue [09-Jun-24 05:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 true, but I think that based on CoGM there is potential for them to compete. PFE is used in PAR and potentially cheaper to produce than FOD or SOI. REA is used in UNI and is cheaper than BID and COF I think. It's just BRM and CHP to make so it's not crazy ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ The problem you're going to run into though, and the problem with a lot of these on CX, is that most upkeep materials aren't used by most planets. Like, I'm using SUN, FOD, PFE, MHP, HOG, and all sorts of stuff on Katoa that most planets aren't big enough to bother with. *most* planets in the universe can get by with just OFF and/or DW. If dealing with higher tier workforces then you might be looking at UTS, TUB, and HD. Everything else is going to have a *very* small market. [09-Jun-24 05:25 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Honestly, one thing for POPI that might have a better (but inconsistent and low volume) market is upgrade items. WOR, HAB, LU are all used are all used so infrequently that they're kind of a headache to source. So a single UPF putting some of those on all CX would probably pay for itself well. You probably don't need more than one, but could probably get good prices for the outputs [09-Jun-24 05:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Sounds like we can put down one base and see how it goes, see if people start using the higher tier stuff from CX if it's available [09-Jun-24 05:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Maybe it's a chicken/egg situation and we should just start first {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Jun-24 05:49 PM] jvaler#0000 weird, they should all be synced to the category permissions [09-Jun-24 05:49 PM] jvaler#0000 just changed them around, might work now [11-Jun-24 06:34 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Need to build PP3 on Nike and get started on making Rfabs ๐Ÿฅด [11-Jun-24 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am almost need RFABs and AFABs for HQ upgrades :crying: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [12-Jun-24 11:23 AM] tanda#0000 I'm looking at putting down PP3s on Aceland in the very near future, does anyone make STL? [12-Jun-24 11:59 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 I will do very shortly, how much you need? [12-Jun-24 12:03 PM] tanda#0000 roughly 15/day for RBH and RSE manufacture [12-Jun-24 12:46 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'll let you know once i got STL flowing [12-Jun-24 01:03 PM] tanda#0000 alright, thanks! [12-Jun-24 01:09 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 on Nike i'm assuming? [12-Jun-24 01:28 PM] tanda#0000 on Aceland, actually. but if you're making on Deimos or nearby I can just pick them up [12-Jun-24 04:46 PM] uncle_leslie69#0000 i'll be making on Vulcan so i can ship to ANT when i get it [12-Jun-24 04:47 PM] tanda#0000 cool, let me know how much you want for 500 to start out with. I'm still working on the details of the next base, may need to get a loan for it [13-Jun-24 03:56 AM] uncle_leslie69#0000 Just changed my Deimos base about, got 14 SME and 6 COL now so hopefully i can provide O to the homies [13-Jun-24 07:07 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 We need O? I could ship some down in the meantime too if it's needed asap. KAWA has to much right now [13-Jun-24 12:35 PM] evany.#0000 i could use some... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Jun-24 01:13 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'll ship some down when I can, but if you're willing to pick it up on Etherwind I can sell as much as you want ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [13-Jun-24 01:20 PM] tanda#0000 @evany. how much AL do you use a day? I'm going to be somewhat reducing my production but want to make sure I can still supply [13-Jun-24 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you want some MATs to expand your smelting base? [13-Jun-24 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like BFABs and such? [13-Jun-24 01:47 PM] evany.#0000 i only have 9*pp2 right now which consumes 106 AL/d [13-Jun-24 01:48 PM] evany.#0000 i was kind of thinking of upgrading / using more of the space, but after i'm debt free i will entertain the idea [13-Jun-24 01:49 PM] evany.#0000 and its probably smarter to scale my aluminimum production on deimos - especially if your intention is to scale down [13-Jun-24 01:51 PM] tanda#0000 well, it's partially scaling up but also to use some of my excess production for LHP [13-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 ahh i see [13-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 less then half of my base on nike is used i think so i've thought about doing stuff with it [13-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 but soon tm. pulled in a million directions [13-Jun-24 01:53 PM] evany.#0000 i've largely just focused on whatevers profitable at this point and thats probably not the most sustainable long term approach [13-Jun-24 01:53 PM] tanda#0000 hm, actually looks like I'll be producing a tiny bit more [13-Jun-24 01:53 PM] tanda#0000 so no stress on it [13-Jun-24 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help you out once I get my PPP base built [13-Jun-24 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 actually since its the right channel let me ask are people just building 'whatever' ? do you have long term goal to make something specific ? [13-Jun-24 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 my focus thus far in the game has been just to "make number go bigger" [13-Jun-24 02:10 PM] tanda#0000 my own personal next goal is a 250 expansion on Deimos to allow me to drop 5 more SME, 2 GF, and 1 HWP. Followed immediately by an INS base over on Aceland [13-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 which has been quite successful considering i spent my first month on deimos doing nothing thanks to xflqr for kicking my ass [13-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 but aside from continuing to upscale i'm curious what others are doing [13-Jun-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 On Aceland? Isnโ€™t that construction? [13-Jun-24 02:11 PM] tanda#0000 yes, and INS is PP3 [13-Jun-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh ๐Ÿ˜ฅ my brain read that as INC not INS [13-Jun-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ™ƒ [13-Jun-24 02:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Goals are to make HAL and what ever else tickles my fancy [13-Jun-24 02:14 PM] tanda#0000 To be quite honest, my long term goal is to move into and exploit the SE-110 system to enable cheaper RAT and DW for the area [13-Jun-24 02:14 PM] tanda#0000 I'm kinda working on things that's going to make that goal cheaper as well, hence the INS base [13-Jun-24 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah I go to SE-110 too to make C [13-Jun-24 02:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For PPP [13-Jun-24 02:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 hit me up if you need cheap INS... [13-Jun-24 02:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 idk what quantities we're talking but I can help for sure. I've got more than I need and I've already set aside my own stockpile [13-Jun-24 02:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 **the** HAL mine always needs INS for repairs โ˜บ๏ธ [13-Jun-24 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 I will likely do that, but the point of the INS is to drop the price on the ANT CX as well. I would like to target 115/unit [13-Jun-24 02:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that would take a *big* opperation. I think one person could do it but it would be *a lot* of your company. Or you could start up a project. Piboy is aiming for 120 I think but had to raise it to 150 temporarily after another huge producer quit. [13-Jun-24 02:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think dropping the price of special construction materials to make more options accessible is a fantastic goal though. I can supply PE for the INS if you decide to make it [13-Jun-24 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 a lot of my company? worth it [13-Jun-24 02:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We're gonna do it how we did with PG [13-Jun-24 02:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't see dropping INS being harder [13-Jun-24 02:36 PM] tanda#0000 I believe we are attempting to step up a PE base on Hephaestus and two INS bases, I'm targeting Aceland for mine [13-Jun-24 02:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I was gonna plan it out tomorrow when I have time [13-Jun-24 02:37 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But aceland + Haphaestus sounds fine [13-Jun-24 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, I was looking at adding PE to my existing Heph base - Not large, but additional manufacture [13-Jun-24 02:38 PM] tanda#0000 you're the boss, but when I was looking at it, those were the locations I was looking at [13-Jun-24 02:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 INS isn't too hard to ship, which means that like PG, it will be challenging to drop the price on any individual CX. Arbitrage will be easy so if there's enough margin people will ship and resell it. You'd need enough production to drop the cost globally. [13-Jun-24 02:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 PiBoy has probably over 10 bases completely dedicated to just INS production and couldn't keep it at 120. It'll take quite the effort to actually pull it down significantly. [13-Jun-24 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 perhaps I should reach out to PiBoy and see if he need some bases to chip in [13-Jun-24 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 rather than trying to reinvent the wheel [13-Jun-24 02:42 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's fair. he's super nice and has the same goal. He set up a whole system for the production and could probably help a lot. [13-Jun-24 02:42 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I mean, look at this lead... I haven't even looked this up before, that gap is insane... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1250898110549463091/image.png?ex=68147766&is=681325e6&hm=76de696840b8ebb3590791e668ff4a40529efac65ad79efc3649af8e7c5a01d0& [13-Jun-24 02:42 PM] tanda#0000 wow [13-Jun-24 02:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm second ? {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (2) [13-Jun-24 02:43 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ahead of lowstrife and rise, nice [13-Jun-24 02:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I only got 7 PP3 out of 11 [13-Jun-24 02:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What's the translation from score to units ? [13-Jun-24 02:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 /day [13-Jun-24 02:45 PM] tanda#0000 those are 90 day totals {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [13-Jun-24 02:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 math based on those numbers, you'd only need about 92 more PP3 to get first... [13-Jun-24 02:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 (this means PiBoy has like 100 PP3..., that's crazy) [13-Jun-24 02:47 PM] tanda#0000 that's a lot of permits worth [13-Jun-24 02:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 bases (idk about permits) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1250900184783650898/image.png?ex=68147954&is=681327d4&hm=c61f1bd94b328060faf4912da4ccaa9783ff352ff73c555f372750496b11ee52& [13-Jun-24 02:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Then he's making ~11k. Each dedicated PP3 base can make ~1.7k [13-Jun-24 02:51 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We don't need to make as much, a third or half would make a dent [13-Jun-24 02:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 especially if you work with him. I don't think he's that far from being able to push it back down to 120 or lower. [13-Jun-24 02:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 If you set up your own project, but also plan to overproduce the inputs that he needs more of too, then you would add to supply and increase his supply at the same time. [13-Jun-24 02:53 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Just see what his bottleneck is and maybe work it into your own plans if it makes sense. [13-Jun-24 02:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 (he is also an amazing resource for starting up your own corp or setting up a discord for a corp. He's the one that set up everything for KAWA's original members years ago) [13-Jun-24 03:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Goal devalue everything so everyone can be high level player [13-Jun-24 03:34 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely, cause piboy also supplies all 4 CXes. so if we just focus on ANT we'll have a much bigger impact for the same resources [19-Jun-24 07:14 AM] antisyntax#0000 *sigh* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1252959798140473465/image.png?ex=6814b73e&is=681365be&hm=5575764bb787b70480b8aa452583d8dd962ef459d759f46cb643c2336c0d0781& [19-Jun-24 07:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 i shoulda added "make a checklist" at the beginning so i had something to check off already ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ โœ… [19-Jun-24 03:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Who's interested in helping with the INS project ? ANY player welcome (but preference for players not already doing another CULT project), we'll pitch in if you don't have enough money. Our goal is to build enough INS bases to bring the price down to 115/u so that building bases on planets where INS is needed can be easier We need 1 more INS person, plan here: https://prunplanner.org/shared/a4a2b987-ae7c-45f0-800b-9d67d57be23d And one more PE person: https://prunplanner.org/shared/0b86af96-96a9-4ca6-ad17-78b105b0633e We are likely to be adding more INS bases in the future as well {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a4a2b987-ae7c-45f0-800b-9d67d57be23d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/0b86af96-96a9-4ca6-ad17-78b105b0633e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Jun-24 03:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @tanda You were planning to make a base yourself on Aceland, right ? [19-Jun-24 03:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 (That's why I am trying to find 1 instead of 2 people for INS) [19-Jun-24 03:39 PM] tanda#0000 Yes, that is my next slated expansion [19-Jun-24 03:54 PM] razesdark#0000 I could be interested in helping out, but I'm not sure I have the means to do it. I really need to upgrade at least one of my ships to a WCB quite quick. [19-Jun-24 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 which spot are you interested in? PE is pretty low on shipping requirements and is based on Heph, so you'd have quick trips to the CX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1253167394851913738/Screenshot_2024-06-19_185922.png?ex=6814cfd5&is=68137e55&hm=7bb6e9141488c2c590631fbd61d5102ed592b056211fdb6e97579187c9b82ee1& [19-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 INS is actually easier on the import needs of the base, but has double the flight time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1253167877629149245/Screenshot_2024-06-19_190108.png?ex=6814d048&is=68137ec8&hm=993d9e0db1f7c9fa9ef87252e24aa657d76dafe591e0ebbc57e38086e4fa445b& [20-Jun-24 02:53 AM] razesdark#0000 The Aceland base looks quite nice, timing wise. That shouldn't be that big of a deal to manage, even before I upgrade my ships. The ability to pay for such a base however is a different matter all together. The BMP base is more something I can pay a considerable piece of. [21-Jun-24 09:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Just need one more person for the INS base. Eventually will probably go hunting for more people on UFO or COM channels if nobody's interested. Sidepipe agreed to give a 0% loan for the whole base as well [21-Jun-24 09:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd bite, but i just don't want more CONTD chores on my plate. sorry :/ [21-Jun-24 09:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Building on aceland? [21-Jun-24 09:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Question or statement ? [21-Jun-24 09:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 The idea is to build on Aceland since a lot of people already have a Nike base and it's better for bfabs anyway [21-Jun-24 09:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 @histidinedwarf if no one else comes forward, I might build the 3rd base - would free up my PP3s on Nike for other things ๐Ÿ™‚ [21-Jun-24 09:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or is it pp2s? [21-Jun-24 09:39 PM] sidepipe#0000 Anyway, itโ€™d free up some capacity on Nike [21-Jun-24 09:39 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Sure [21-Jun-24 09:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 But def ask around first ๐Ÿ˜ [21-Jun-24 09:46 PM] evany.#0000 I didnโ€™t want to volunteer since I got on elon [21-Jun-24 09:47 PM] evany.#0000 But I wouldnโ€™t turn it down neither depending on loan payments if they make sense [21-Jun-24 09:47 PM] evany.#0000 Which spot is needed still ? [21-Jun-24 09:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 INS on Aceland [21-Jun-24 09:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll give it like a day and if nobody responds, you can do it [21-Jun-24 09:48 PM] evany.#0000 Sounds good, I just donโ€™t want to take when Iโ€™ve already had yknow [21-Jun-24 09:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I mainly want to spread it out so when one person quits it's not catastrophic, also new player help [21-Jun-24 09:53 PM] evany.#0000 Fair concern too [21-Jun-24 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Question [21-Jun-24 10:34 PM] pi3142718#0000 I canโ€™t provide logistical support but Iโ€™d provide a loan/grant for more bases [22-Jun-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 @ratgorwesbar You cannot supply 32 INC with one planet of FRMs at all, even triple permitted [22-Jun-24 01:33 PM] tanda#0000 you can, however supply 25 INC [22-Jun-24 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254142541603930233/Screenshot_2024-06-22_113413.png?ex=68151042&is=6813bec2&hm=ecc291799b272c8307b2ea9dfc35c68948d48ed0d7d51704e08fc264b21d9b9b& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254142542266634331/Screenshot_2024-06-22_113421.png?ex=68151042&is=6813bec2&hm=0256133570dc85b286f035359ba339045c32a9afcf2e99d6c265b1dbeb8053c4& [22-Jun-24 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 but that really isn't very efficient, as you've just spent 4 permits doing what 2 permits could almost do [22-Jun-24 01:36 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254142896794505256/Screenshot_2024-06-22_113429.png?ex=68151097&is=6813bf17&hm=16b7aef7657c5e1099d730f9fd35a0b6dd9a6266858bd6c7badcec55c806a81f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254142897494818936/Screenshot_2024-06-22_113553.png?ex=68151097&is=6813bf17&hm=d44cb7bc4cc54e31356b837b54db345ab8a95c24a65263f70e6fa90f7beecbc6& [22-Jun-24 01:36 PM] tanda#0000 and at the end of the day, due to the higher cost of the burn, the 25 INC version only makes 1k more AIC per day [22-Jun-24 01:37 PM] tanda#0000 so it's best to just run single burn until you're starting to struggle to find places to put INC [22-Jun-24 01:37 PM] tanda#0000 and there are PLENTY of Resource Extraction planets around Antares [22-Jun-24 01:37 PM] evany.#0000 i was looking at doing duo yesterday or the day before too and it just doesn't make se nse unless your acquiring the goods way under value [22-Jun-24 01:38 PM] evany.#0000 people kind of poke at single burn but economically while its hard to turn out quantity.. holy is it good value [22-Jun-24 01:38 PM] tanda#0000 I think it might be worth doing duo if you have a base on Life, but outside of that I wouldn't bother [22-Jun-24 01:38 PM] evany.#0000 for duo you mean ? [22-Jun-24 01:39 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, you can grow HCP pretty economically with HYF and just source GRN from Harmonia [22-Jun-24 01:39 PM] evany.#0000 thats ex actly what i was looking at doing [22-Jun-24 01:39 PM] evany.#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246820458356150335/1253789458755489832 [22-Jun-24 01:39 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 If i'm not mistaken by your calculations in PrUn it seems more value just selling the output from farms instead of using them in C production. Atleast for the price its running on in Ant in the moment [22-Jun-24 01:40 PM] evany.#0000 absolutely not [22-Jun-24 01:40 PM] tanda#0000 if you tried to sell all that GRN you would crash the price [22-Jun-24 01:40 PM] evany.#0000 i'd happily buy all your GRN if its on harmonia ๐Ÿ˜› [22-Jun-24 01:41 PM] evany.#0000 my current supplier is a bit lazy. [22-Jun-24 01:41 PM] evany.#0000 but theres absolutely value in grn -> C [22-Jun-24 01:41 PM] igfloz#0000 .....and I think I'm right in saying, it would be a slow sell. Most people are either self consuming or have a supplier (Ithink) [22-Jun-24 01:41 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 I havent made that base yet. Just looking in to it for making a full production line [22-Jun-24 01:42 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9ZWWuZ8DYxq5mp53epMsj0qC9rSgW1g3rZ7QuB3-Dhc/https/media.tenor.com/xuIoXwKMUMEAAAAe/im-out-im-done.png [22-Jun-24 01:42 PM] evany.#0000 sure, im just saying feel free to hit me up. i have constant buy orders on cx now because igfloz can't make enough. hes so lazy [22-Jun-24 01:44 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Hehe. Ok just need to scrape some money together and i'll hit you up [22-Jun-24 01:46 PM] evany.#0000 tanda i'd welcome some feedback on this discussion too [22-Jun-24 01:46 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254145525511491624/image.png?ex=6815130a&is=6813c18a&hm=0c7b2aa9a61bfd20068da11747611782a13c2818ee403b89573c731ec81e464d& [22-Jun-24 01:47 PM] tanda#0000 is this destined for burn? [22-Jun-24 01:47 PM] evany.#0000 problem is thats way overvalued by prunplanner. that hcp is valued @ 305 [22-Jun-24 01:47 PM] evany.#0000 when i nreality market average is like half that, 200'ish [22-Jun-24 01:48 PM] evany.#0000 prunplanner makes it look good but it doesn't seem to be in reality [22-Jun-24 01:48 PM] evany.#0000 and that was an option yeah. [22-Jun-24 01:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I find the prunplanner can either under - or over estimate production rates. the figures don't match what I see in game [22-Jun-24 01:48 PM] evany.#0000 im actually doing it at this point just to reduce my reliance on GRN [22-Jun-24 01:48 PM] evany.#0000 my GRN supply isn't lazy its just a lot of GRN. [22-Jun-24 01:49 PM] evany.#0000 originally when i was doing the math on the whole thing i was only looking at it economically i wasn't looking at supply issues [22-Jun-24 01:49 PM] tanda#0000 keep in mind that using HCP reduces the amount of GRN you need by about 25% [22-Jun-24 01:49 PM] evany.#0000 reality has now set in and supply issues are a thing. [22-Jun-24 01:49 PM] evany.#0000 yes thats li terally why [22-Jun-24 01:50 PM] tanda#0000 but also you're hauling even more [22-Jun-24 01:50 PM] evany.#0000 oh hauling is fine supply issues are actually sourcing the material [22-Jun-24 01:50 PM] tanda#0000 how much GRN are you coming up short? [22-Jun-24 01:50 PM] evany.#0000 its worked great so far because my suppliers had about 7k backstock [22-Jun-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 while i was spooling up they had a few weeks to build [22-Jun-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 but now i'm waiting for buy orders to fill [22-Jun-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 they are producing around 300 and i'm burning 450/day [22-Jun-24 01:51 PM] tanda#0000 so one additional supplier would fix your current needs [22-Jun-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 so if i started to hyf grn/hcp/mai my grn supply would be fine and my carbon would go up [22-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 or even just grn/hcp [22-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 or yes, one more GRN supplier [22-Jun-24 01:52 PM] tanda#0000 since you are running single burn right now, can you even supply your INC with the amount of HCP you would need? [22-Jun-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 easily [22-Jun-24 01:53 PM] evany.#0000 well, i shouldnt say easily [22-Jun-24 01:53 PM] evany.#0000 because it would be mixed [22-Jun-24 01:53 PM] evany.#0000 if hyf just produces hcp its 700/day and i need 600 [22-Jun-24 01:53 PM] igfloz#0000 Should consider time, for production and hauling [22-Jun-24 01:53 PM] evany.#0000 if istart producing mai on top of that though .. [22-Jun-24 01:54 PM] evany.#0000 thats easy, you just dont switch production until your ready aka have enough hauled/stored [22-Jun-24 01:55 PM] tanda#0000 personally I would readily swap over to a double burn using the HYF. Going triple actually increases your GRN need by about 50% but if you're doing mixed double burn GRN/HCP MAI/HCP you won't really even need all the contacts you've built to supply your GRN [22-Jun-24 01:57 PM] tanda#0000 you run a triple permit INC base, right? [22-Jun-24 01:57 PM] evany.#0000 Yeah [22-Jun-24 01:58 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Seems it cant be produced enough agricultrual [22-Jun-24 01:59 PM] tanda#0000 honestly I would totally do this: Have one of your suppliers swap to MAI production, drop that HYF base and just make HCP. Then run the mixed double burn and you'lll be solid (except for the fact that you're now producing 650 C a day which has to be transported) [22-Jun-24 02:00 PM] tanda#0000 your cost per C will go up, but PrunPlanner says it's only like about 40 per unit [22-Jun-24 02:03 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 I had a excel sheet for it and the different between a singel burn and tripple burn is 100 per unit when buing from market. When self produce its not as much as a difference. The question being if selling it or putting it to the burn is the best economical thing. Since a productipn of HCP is about 30 a unit or something and it sells for 250 atm [22-Jun-24 02:08 PM] tanda#0000 if I sold all my GRN at current market rates, I make 24k less per day than if I single burn it [22-Jun-24 02:08 PM] tanda#0000 for triple it likely will make you more money to just sell the inputs rather than burning them [22-Jun-24 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 your right [22-Jun-24 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 thats why i struggled with the whole idea [22-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 but when you compare it to having broken input because you can't feed it 500grn/day with 66 incinerators [22-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 a few more material burn grn/hcp suddenly makes a lot more sense [22-Jun-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 even if its just in bursts and i do 2 straight grn and 1 grn/hcp [22-Jun-24 02:11 PM] tanda#0000 I do that to burn off my excess GRN every so often [22-Jun-24 02:13 PM] evany.#0000 you do hcp recipe eh [22-Jun-24 02:13 PM] tanda#0000 only when I get above 3k GRN in backlog [22-Jun-24 02:14 PM] tanda#0000 and I just buy the HCP off the market [22-Jun-24 02:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m going to use Harmonia and SE-110b to feed a triple burn INC [22-Jun-24 03:30 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Btw whats the best water planet?? [22-Jun-24 03:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ice station alpha [22-Jun-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 boucher [22-Jun-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 well, depends on what you want [22-Jun-24 03:30 PM] flor2081#0000 i thought boucher? or maybe xg-430c [22-Jun-24 03:31 PM] flor2081#0000 no wait [22-Jun-24 03:31 PM] flor2081#0000 xg-452b* [22-Jun-24 03:33 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Just want a full rig planet [22-Jun-24 03:34 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Thx [22-Jun-24 03:37 PM] flor2081#0000 i'd say boucher yeah, considering its green [22-Jun-24 03:51 PM] jvaler#0000 you do duo when you don't max out INC, like on a nascent base [22-Jun-24 03:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like I had on nascent before I made it all ALO [22-Jun-24 10:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @evany. Seems like nobody new wants the INS role so you got it ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Jun-24 10:24 AM] igfloz#0000 ROFL.... Tag, your it ! [23-Jun-24 10:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Poll to decide INS project name https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246543290854146058/1254633434060558356 [24-Jun-24 12:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @avalock how much AEF did you need? [24-Jun-24 12:22 AM] .urpalhal#0000 but I could do a special 1200/u for you if I get enough NE at the right price [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] avalock#0000 9, but i could figure the number for the full base if you want {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I bought enough NE for 1000 [24-Jun-24 10:02 AM] avalock#0000 lmao [24-Jun-24 10:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So [24-Jun-24 10:03 AM] avalock#0000 the total number is 152 [24-Jun-24 10:03 AM] avalock#0000 but i def donโ€™t have that money rn lmao [24-Jun-24 10:04 AM] avalock#0000 i should by tomorrow [24-Jun-24 10:11 AM] avalock#0000 i sorta went wildin on a wcb [24-Jun-24 09:00 PM] tanda#0000 @jcheung Honestly that's a very well thought out plan for your first 3 permits [24-Jun-24 09:00 PM] jcheung#0000 oh hey, more channels [24-Jun-24 09:00 PM] tanda#0000 I like it, and any issues I may have with it will be things you can grow out of with more permits and some time [24-Jun-24 09:01 PM] jcheung#0000 neat. this latest version took around 5 hours to draft while i was telling my ships to fly faster ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Jun-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 I have spent entire days trying to plan stuff out so I can relate [24-Jun-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 I especially like Chem being your second base, that's big money right now. [24-Jun-24 09:02 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i, uh [24-Jun-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 didn't actually plan on it [24-Jun-24 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 I would suggest though, that you split it between FLX and CL [24-Jun-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 i started building out b3 first [24-Jun-24 09:03 PM] jcheung#0000 and then went "i'm paying way too much for chemicals" [24-Jun-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 yeah me too. I'm looking at dropping a Bober base here in the near future, it's just going to do FLX NS and CL [24-Jun-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 because someone has to buy HAL's HAL [24-Jun-24 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 this was my split {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1254980602151698472/image.png?ex=6814d103&is=68137f83&hm=40d82a6d6125fb34f4fecd64ed6fdffc10471d5d88532d895cd73b7397c5f840& [24-Jun-24 09:05 PM] jcheung#0000 i didn't want to go all in on salt because it didn't have a lot of trade activity on the exchange [24-Jun-24 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 we have a player here that makes a ton of HAL [24-Jun-24 09:05 PM] jcheung#0000 that said, it's subject to change and won't be built for.... at least a few months [24-Jun-24 09:05 PM] tanda#0000 so I'm personally not too worried about supply [24-Jun-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, i wasn't super worried about supply [24-Jun-24 09:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm worried about storage for finished goods ๐Ÿ˜‚ [24-Jun-24 09:08 PM] tanda#0000 make one of the first things you get a STO [24-Jun-24 09:08 PM] tanda#0000 I run like 4 personally, and there's room for two on a 20 SME build for Deimos [24-Jun-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 (where you'll wind up after you're ready to build more than 3 bases) [24-Jun-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 yech. i only planned for one per base. guess i should redesign for more [25-Jun-24 01:16 AM] jcheung#0000 are there any fees for using the cx? [25-Jun-24 01:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 No [25-Jun-24 01:32 AM] jcheung#0000 cool. also dumb question. #internal-offers mentions #associate-trading... does that just exist and i don't have access to it? ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Jun-24 01:32 AM] jcheung#0000 or is it just #trading now [25-Jun-24 01:33 AM] flor2081#0000 yeah just #trading [25-Jun-24 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 so, uh.... i might have made a thing for comparison for #internal-offers .... good idea? bad? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3KQlyRKz3OKHUnBq2ZO_hVaL7UQ1YAtXIn9rvWFCkI/edit?gid=1383302512#gid=1383302512&range=A3 [25-Jun-24 02:18 AM] flor2081#0000 GTU has something similar, but they sort it on category and goods, maybe that makes it a bit more structural ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255059474209832980/image.png?ex=68151a78&is=6813c8f8&hm=2da9e4ce8586eb562797e2643c178ebc615e016a424fca5400d5f8910e5084de& [25-Jun-24 02:18 AM] jcheung#0000 gtu is? [25-Jun-24 02:19 AM] flor2081#0000 galactic trade union, a rather big corp [25-Jun-24 02:19 AM] flor2081#0000 sec [25-Jun-24 02:20 AM] flor2081#0000 oh huh, they dont seem to be in the recruitment board in gtu [25-Jun-24 02:20 AM] flor2081#0000 anyways, if you're curious https://discord.gg/E7JcFe9v [25-Jun-24 02:20 AM] flor2081#0000 they want you to be in the corp though, unless you're gov and have your own, so Idk if that matches very well with this [25-Jun-24 02:22 AM] jcheung#0000 have enough discord channels for now ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jun-24 02:22 AM] jcheung#0000 modified it a bit to hide the collapse stuff [25-Jun-24 02:28 AM] jcheung#0000 could order by category, but that's not a "do it before bed" type deal [25-Jun-24 02:29 AM] jcheung#0000 ...does seem like a good idea tho [25-Jun-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 but [25-Jun-24 02:30 AM] jcheung#0000 only worth it if it'll be used ๐Ÿ‘€ [25-Jun-24 02:47 AM] jcheung#0000 hope i don't regret this. traded out a bunch of fuel to expedite construction... [25-Jun-24 10:53 AM] evany.#0000 Did you get a grant ? [25-Jun-24 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 nope. free license [25-Jun-24 11:07 AM] acramernc#0000 unlucky [25-Jun-24 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 you mean "poor" [25-Jun-24 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 or "cheap" [25-Jun-24 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 whichever fits your internal monologue more [25-Jun-24 11:08 AM] acramernc#0000 not what i meant lol [25-Jun-24 11:09 AM] acramernc#0000 i wish there was a way we could work around the lisence thing [25-Jun-24 11:11 AM] acramernc#0000 does anyone know if those free pro keys they give you for supporter packages give the person who redeems them basic after they expire? [25-Jun-24 11:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t think they give you BASICโ€ฆ [25-Jun-24 11:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think you go back to free [25-Jun-24 11:13 AM] acramernc#0000 a darn shame [25-Jun-24 11:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Donโ€™t take my word for it tho [25-Jun-24 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s just what I maybe heard one time [25-Jun-24 11:14 AM] jvaler#0000 that's correct {Reactions} sadcowboy [25-Jun-24 11:22 AM] jcheung#0000 ah, fk. forgot to pick something up at the stupid cx. guess i get to waste another day and a bunch of fuel [25-Jun-24 12:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 someone might be able to ship it for you [25-Jun-24 12:44 PM] evany.#0000 The nice thing is you canโ€™t redeem on yourself but you can give all the codes to a friend and he can do the same to you [25-Jun-24 12:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Nope. Not until i convince myself to pay for pro [25-Jun-24 02:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do you want PRO I can gift you a month of PRO [25-Jun-24 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not sure how to โ€œgiftโ€ that but I do have the ability to do that somehow [25-Jun-24 02:14 PM] acramernc#0000 i think you should have like a code you can give him [25-Jun-24 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Huh [25-Jun-24 02:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk where that code is [25-Jun-24 02:14 PM] acramernc#0000 but i haven't bought a supporter pack yet so idk [25-Jun-24 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I asked in the main PrUn server [25-Jun-24 02:19 PM] igfloz#0000 https://prosperousuniverse.com/early-access {Embed} https://prosperousuniverse.com/early-access Prosperous Universe | The Economic Space MMO In Prosperous Universe, you are the CEO of your own spacefaring company. Explore the galaxy, design spaceships, forge alliances, and most importantly: produce, trade, transport, and profit. Manage your business through a highly customizable user interface named APEX, accessible via web browser. Contribute to a purely player-driven MMO economy in... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iw6GWFhfbXVxv9pGxGE1JgF_0dDoqQLVZGppgAEL7-U/https/prosperousuniverse.com/og/image.jpg [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] igfloz#0000 then once you are in your account, you should see a section redeem key [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i'd like to give it a bit more time to make sure i don't just stop playing, but if you want to give me pro i would happily accept. i hear gifted doesn't grant basic license though. [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] evany.#0000 i know where [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255241183115083867/image.png?ex=68147233&is=681320b3&hm=9a0a4c574a3ddd5c239defc12fb0c2594aa99a70a30524fc9e8c0bb3d971d439& [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] evany.#0000 igfloz and i have done it a few times [25-Jun-24 02:20 PM] evany.#0000 ^ look at him and his screenshots [25-Jun-24 02:21 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sparkling-smile-critter-fixers-smiling-bright-smile-ding-gif-20399657 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sparkling-smile-critter-fixers-smiling-bright-smile-ding-gif-20399657 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-HOOJBuznNvGa9JOBa_7sdvjwEXkyQ6js2C-51xaf7s/https/media.tenor.com/EUSqurgkYqoAAAAe/sparkling-smile-critter-fixers.png [25-Jun-24 02:21 PM] jcheung#0000 if your teeth are shining, you should probably consult a medical professional [25-Jun-24 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok [25-Jun-24 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh [25-Jun-24 02:22 PM] acramernc#0000 new radium toothpase for the nuclear shine! [25-Jun-24 02:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So get key from screenshot page? [25-Jun-24 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 ooh, new project ! let's call it russel ? {Reactions} no [25-Jun-24 02:24 PM] igfloz#0000 oh wait, thats to redeem a key, hmmm. I'm sure there was a generate key button last time I did this [25-Jun-24 02:24 PM] acramernc#0000 could it be under the perks section? [25-Jun-24 02:24 PM] igfloz#0000 indeed it is , well done sir ! [25-Jun-24 02:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Cool [25-Jun-24 02:25 PM] acramernc#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-20784169 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-20784169 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jDY0DuIHhzgvOgRdNMBXW7aoyy2Ys_FOTzQ4XwSIOJQ/https/media.tenor.com/UladBrWhuJ8AAAAe/bowing-thank-you.png [25-Jun-24 02:30 PM] evany.#0000 want to screenshare ? we can go th rough it - its a bit weird {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅด [25-Jun-24 02:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @igfloz do you want some fabs to help build up Heph? [25-Jun-24 02:36 PM] igfloz#0000 not right now, I'm concentrating on Nascent for now - I don't have the wallet to fully fund all the RAT / DW etc. if everything goes big all at once - many thanks for the offer dude ! [25-Jun-24 02:37 PM] evany.#0000 i might take you up on that though hal. i'm doing big expansions right now [25-Jun-24 02:38 PM] evany.#0000 trying to flush out harmonia, nike and deimos so that my permits are actually being used. [25-Jun-24 02:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could help with those too ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Jun-24 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I uh may not be money bags Jvaler or Sidepipe or Archiel [25-Jun-24 02:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But I could help you out โ˜บ๏ธ [25-Jun-24 02:48 PM] igfloz#0000 Appreciated, I know which doorstep to sleep on now, lol ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 02:49 PM] igfloz#0000 let me get Nascent sorted, I should revisit Heph in Prunplanner too [25-Jun-24 02:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Jun-24 02:50 PM] acramernc#0000 if you need a steady PG supply i can help with that [25-Jun-24 02:53 PM] igfloz#0000 Noted, TY - I have a supplier, but I have a feeling that with "other" production ramp ups, logi may become a challenge [25-Jun-24 05:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 hmm, I don't really feel like making a Harmonia base atm, but this is making me feel like I should: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255284744363573329/image.png?ex=68149ac5&is=68134945&hm=e63ecc9d1566e0e858e43619242f2eb79f66f5ccb8ef330838274ca7f07bdef3& [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s been like that for months [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] .shiva.#0000 ah, has it? [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 well it *is* shrinking [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 True [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 used to be in the 10-20 range [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 i was around when deimos still had open plots, it was similarly slow [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] razenpok#0000 I think it was 20 last week [25-Jun-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 but do definitely get in sooner than later [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] jvaler#0000 really? that's sharp ๐Ÿง [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could at least drop a CM {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] .shiva.#0000 kinda thinking of doing a simple HCP/GRN -> 1/2 ALO 1/2 C base on Nascent [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I had a CM there for like a month before I did anything with it [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Ye, I dropped a CM there because it was shrinking by 3-4 plots a day [25-Jun-24 05:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Also {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255285392400191508/image.png?ex=68149b5f&is=681349df&hm=dad5374d3c8eecc5c4ae36b2407bac56b44b07c0fb82e0749e57d549f7caed5b& [25-Jun-24 05:16 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [25-Jun-24 05:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Meh proxion [25-Jun-24 05:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i've been debating if i wanna get in that ship before it sails [25-Jun-24 05:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With the weebs? [25-Jun-24 05:17 PM] jvaler#0000 i just don't think i can be bothered. i either do logistics for the base myself, annoyingly outsource it to the LM, or do tedious contracts with KAWA [25-Jun-24 05:17 PM] jvaler#0000 i get enough of that 2nd option with my boucher base [25-Jun-24 05:17 PM] jvaler#0000 thankfully rise takes the water, all i do is consumables+repairs [25-Jun-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 weebs? [25-Jun-24 05:18 PM] .shiva.#0000 well, w/e farms are cheap. can always deconstruct later I guess [25-Jun-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [25-Jun-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 cheapest base to build in the game, that's one of the main reasons it's such a highly recommended starting profession [25-Jun-24 05:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 People who like japan and Japanese culture who want to be Japanese but arenโ€™t Japanese [25-Jun-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 ik what it is, just don't know what it has to do with proxion :P [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc Daikoku is Japanese [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhhh [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And so is Kawa [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 omg [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lots of Japanese stuff over there [25-Jun-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 i had no idea lmao [25-Jun-24 05:21 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah, I just won't really be able to deal w/ the extra shipping to deal w/ the INC/ALO side of things till the WCBs come in. buffer up some grn/hcp or LM I guess [25-Jun-24 05:22 PM] jvaler#0000 speaking of, i should go determine the WCB priorities [25-Jun-24 05:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean I could help maybe? [25-Jun-24 05:23 PM] .shiva.#0000 eh, no biggie. I just meant I was gonna hold off til I could, but may as well get the Harmonia one going now, and deal w/ Nascent in a bit. gonna have a busy couple weeks anyways [25-Jun-24 05:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh ok โ˜บ๏ธ [25-Jun-24 05:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 @.shiva. If you donโ€™t want to deal with shipping, Iโ€™ll buy crops off you at Harmonia at CX price until youโ€™re ready to do the INC [25-Jun-24 05:25 PM] evany.#0000 i would do the same ^ [25-Jun-24 05:25 PM] evany.#0000 sidepipe types faster than me apparently [25-Jun-24 05:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 @evany. can have dibs ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 05:26 PM] evany.#0000 do you operate on harmonia @sidepipe [25-Jun-24 05:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 Since day 1 ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Jun-24 05:27 PM] .shiva.#0000 ah that'd be great, ty! I'll sort the Harmonia base in the next few days, I'd guess mid-july for when I'll get Nascent going tbh [25-Jun-24 05:27 PM] evany.#0000 your priorities might have changed by then [25-Jun-24 05:27 PM] evany.#0000 i still don't have the second base i was going to build built.. opportunities present themselves and you go different directions! [25-Jun-24 05:28 PM] .shiva.#0000 eh, I do want it for the ALO, was just going to do 50/50 for now since I don't need more than a full SME permit's worth of it atm [25-Jun-24 05:31 PM] .shiva.#0000 this is what I've got vaguely planned for 4 permits {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255289234412146719/image.png?ex=68149ef3&is=68134d73&hm=ef5472def8e6fa3a22f42f3566179ca79cd7432e0c7fa3d1351f76978de3bba0& [25-Jun-24 06:14 PM] evany.#0000 you probably understand why that won't work then eh ? [25-Jun-24 06:15 PM] evany.#0000 demeter is a good alternate for hcp - i don't know an alternate to nascent. aceland maybe ? [25-Jun-24 06:16 PM] evany.#0000 oh sorry aceland is construction. halcyon [25-Jun-24 06:16 PM] jvaler#0000 you can reduce EXT to be able to run more single input GRN C {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255300591123431465/image.png?ex=6814a987&is=68135807&hm=fb8c2044a276d3791bbb3d72dfeaf61511c84d373bb3a67a3440e1bf9b0ffcc3& [25-Jun-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 these are my personal ratios {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255300795575042170/image.png?ex=6814a9b8&is=68135838&hm=f9cf0dc640f805cff6604b523102a2f9d4c884c73c804b4dec81740e4db38197& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255300795872710686/image.png?ex=6814a9b8&is=68135838&hm=67705e457b78fa96f151a942327f78bece98bac3be59702a32317fcf5c0d8bf1& [25-Jun-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 what's wrong with it? [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] evany.#0000 gonna have a tough time doing inc & ext on nascent [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] evany.#0000 at least; full area anyway [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 i've done it for months :P [25-Jun-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 you can outsource ALO exports to darkfuel on the ANT LM [25-Jun-24 06:19 PM] jvaler#0000 20-25k AIC for 1000(WCB) or 1481(LCB) ALO seems to be their minimum [25-Jun-24 06:19 PM] jvaler#0000 pretty reasonable imo [25-Jun-24 06:20 PM] jvaler#0000 then if you don't have to do ALO yourself you just have to export 1k C in a WCB like once every ~9 days [25-Jun-24 06:21 PM] evany.#0000 you've probably run the numbers already- that makes sense? [25-Jun-24 06:21 PM] evany.#0000 color me stupid then; jvaler knows more than i [25-Jun-24 06:21 PM] jvaler#0000 well that's literally my current base setup lol [25-Jun-24 06:21 PM] jvaler#0000 but yeah [25-Jun-24 06:22 PM] jvaler#0000 you can see the total export mass/volume in the first screenshot [25-Jun-24 06:22 PM] evany.#0000 i suppose as long as the COGC matches [25-Jun-24 06:22 PM] evany.#0000 yeah fair enough [25-Jun-24 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 that's exactly why it's so ideal. INC take up relatively little area, and you can get a wide range of agri consumption rates out of them due to their variable input recipes [25-Jun-24 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 so i could even expand my agri production to get more C out of this same nascent base by using a triple input recipe [25-Jun-24 06:23 PM] evany.#0000 yea just recipe swap [25-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 i'm considering doing it myself [25-Jun-24 06:24 PM] jvaler#0000 you're looking at demeter? [25-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 looking at harmonia [25-Jun-24 06:24 PM] evany.#0000 but for nascent yes [25-Jun-24 06:24 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [25-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 hyf some HCP {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [25-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 instead of making more grn i to alleviate supply issues, i can make some hcp to alleviate supply issues AND get more carbon out of it [25-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 just need to come up with enough money to drop hyf's! [25-Jun-24 06:25 PM] evany.#0000 expensive buggers {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Jun-24 06:26 PM] .shiva.#0000 ah yeah, that does make everything line up closer. I'm thinking about being a little lazy and dropping a FRM for 3xRIG on Harmonia, it's not worth but does let you not deal w/ importing water at all really [25-Jun-24 06:26 PM] evany.#0000 and probably need a 2k/2k to keep it fed.. [25-Jun-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i originally did that too, but i realized it made 0 difference in logistical strain. you're never importing a full load of anything into harmonia, so it makes no difference to just take some water with you [25-Jun-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 it's only ever ~200t/200m^3 of consumables [25-Jun-24 06:28 PM] jvaler#0000 the remaining room is enough to fit weeks of water [25-Jun-24 06:29 PM] .shiva.#0000 sigh fine, I'll be less lazy lol [25-Jun-24 06:31 PM] jvaler#0000 technically it should be barely more work, but i found it more satisfying to my laziness when i can shove months of upkeep in a base and only worry about exporting every other week :P [25-Jun-24 06:31 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255304452496162838/image.png?ex=6814ad1f&is=68135b9f&hm=d49d88c119687fc60d0a497b94daa626a71b5e3ac0bf979039f06db9eeb308d5& [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 howd you break that up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 the inventory? [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 ohhh [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Tell us your secrets [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 jvaler created a new category called I/O [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 PMMG feature [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 and there is a sorting option here [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 ๐Ÿคฏ [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] evany.#0000 wtf i hate you jvaler [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 D: [25-Jun-24 06:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 PMMG does it automatically, you don't have to make the categories [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve only been playing for over half a year now [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 why are you teaching me this shit now [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 where were you [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wait really? is that new? [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 u never asked! [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 ya press BRN button [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess i haven't posted base screens lately, only main CX screen [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 lelisa right [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] evany.#0000 BRN is pretty close [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] .shiva.#0000 if you recipe swap it'll get mixed up a tiny bit [25-Jun-24 06:33 PM] .shiva.#0000 but it's close enough [25-Jun-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 wait BRN is literally identical, it uses my exact same naming convention [25-Jun-24 06:34 PM] evany.#0000 okay you suck. what else havent you taught me [25-Jun-24 06:34 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah tbh I thought it was BRN lol [25-Jun-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 uhhh... `XIT CONTRACTS` to see a list of outstanding contracts and what's inside of them [25-Jun-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 idk [25-Jun-24 06:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 `XIT BURN_ALL` [25-Jun-24 06:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 XIT ACTION ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Jun-24 06:36 PM] .shiva.#0000 is new, and great [25-Jun-24 06:36 PM] jvaler#0000 `XIT NOTES`? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255305621532577905/image.png?ex=6814ae36&is=68135cb6&hm=b9b0a723351cf41e2b0eddecf2e5476178b7b1677481889d4336da84eec22375& [25-Jun-24 06:37 PM] jvaler#0000 `XIT LISTS` exists but i don't use it lol [25-Jun-24 06:37 PM] evany.#0000 how about financial options for a financial game [25-Jun-24 06:37 PM] jvaler#0000 `XIT FIN` [25-Jun-24 06:37 PM] evany.#0000 anyway to break down how much a base has made vs each other [25-Jun-24 06:37 PM] evany.#0000 or even a graph showing my overall networth/growth [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255306030057787512/image.png?ex=6814ae98&is=68135d18&hm=4931dcc9ff566fe20c37990e3e0231cc9268b9b92d910da541c8424a239a5547& [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 both of those things [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] evany.#0000 xit fin charts just shows how broke i am but kind of almost exactly like what i wanted [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255306137365123213/image.png?ex=6814aeb1&is=68135d31&hm=ba33f08cfe2695097050837c74d93adae7586150584fb79ebbb814eec1f2131b& [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] jvaler#0000 trick for resizing the graph: you need to hit the refresh button on the buffer for it to update to the new window size [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] evany.#0000 aaa [25-Jun-24 06:38 PM] .shiva.#0000 `XIT FIN_PRODUCTION` is per planet [25-Jun-24 06:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait yeah ^ [25-Jun-24 06:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i misread summary, thought it was prod [25-Jun-24 06:39 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255306437496934450/image.png?ex=6814aef9&is=68135d79&hm=5b77ecb3cf98f9ed70632668c1b4061b2072c55eff6660451bacd1fe2445b76f& [25-Jun-24 06:40 PM] evany.#0000 mine doesn't resize even if i hit refresh [25-Jun-24 06:40 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255306595751956593/image.png?ex=6814af1e&is=68135d9e&hm=6f909b7b5bbef87116b87efaddb16ed7aecae43926b56c35e575fd40c625e87c& [25-Jun-24 06:41 PM] jvaler#0000 my bases are better than i thought [25-Jun-24 06:41 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255306867106644061/image.png?ex=6814af5f&is=68135ddf&hm=d47526a6ba869c493ace1af614d624820ad3ad0ddcd5022aeda9aa4b4395a847& [25-Jun-24 06:41 PM] evany.#0000 thats really cool [25-Jun-24 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 you have to click on the graph and resize the dedicated buffer it makes [25-Jun-24 06:44 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255307648459346061/image.png?ex=6814b019&is=68135e99&hm=8e9449dbc7351ddc901b14d277819fe25c4a359b609b0760845de1291366ea28& [25-Jun-24 06:44 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-carol-beer-no-way-little-britain-trendizisst-gif-14015902623456325888 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-carol-beer-no-way-little-britain-trendizisst-gif-14015902623456325888 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AZORX3F86Xu81KvynG_3QzDsZ3fNfNDw5mBaxRcXaag/https/media.tenor.com/woJ9LTWUcQAAAAAe/computer-says-no-carol-beer.png [25-Jun-24 06:44 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmmm [25-Jun-24 06:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Firefox? [25-Jun-24 06:45 PM] evany.#0000 yea FF [25-Jun-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like a bug :/ [25-Jun-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 should probably report it in PCT [25-Jun-24 06:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think FF and chrome use different graphing libraries? [25-Jun-24 06:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not 100% sure [25-Jun-24 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhhhh [25-Jun-24 06:46 PM] evany.#0000 could be yea [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] evany.#0000 i will switch to chrome cuz of jvaler [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] evany.#0000 but will have to change my chrome [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah they do, I saw a comment about it somewhere [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] evany.#0000 cuz right now my chrome is my sketchy link browser [25-Jun-24 06:47 PM] evany.#0000 javascript blocked, no tpr no extensions no nothing [25-Jun-24 06:50 PM] .shiva.#0000 I get the same result in FF [25-Jun-24 07:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Use edge then [25-Jun-24 07:16 PM] evany.#0000 Supports chrome browser extensions ? [25-Jun-24 07:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Yes [25-Jun-24 07:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Edge is just reskinned chrome [25-Jun-24 07:21 PM] jcheung#0000 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/add-turn-off-or-remove-extensions-in-microsoft-edge-9c0ec68c-2fbc-2f2c-9ff0-bdc76f46b026# {Embed} https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/add-turn-off-or-remove-extensions-in-microsoft-edge-9c0ec68c-2fbc-2f2c-9ff0-bdc76f46b026 Add, turn off, or remove extensions in Microsoft Edge - Microsoft S... Learn how to add, turn off, or remove extensions in Microsoft Edge. [25-Jun-24 08:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I love PMMG {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255331412328976434/Screenshot_2024-06-25_191829.png?ex=6814c63b&is=681374bb&hm=d1cc3258556549740d799760a6773a93beccb6db245bdafdc4a267fb8c4939b2& [25-Jun-24 08:21 PM] jcheung#0000 I gotta figure out what it does [25-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 do `XIT HELP` in a new buffer [25-Jun-24 08:24 PM] jvaler#0000 assuming you have it installed already [25-Jun-24 08:26 PM] tanda#0000 what's going on with Thalassa-D? [25-Jun-24 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its chilling, I keep forgeting to send a ship out there with GRN [25-Jun-24 08:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so it should be 0 [25-Jun-24 08:29 PM] tanda#0000 man, Halcyon is quite the money maker for you even with you selling it at 150 [25-Jun-24 08:30 PM] jvaler#0000 remember it's triple permit, but those are still great numbers [25-Jun-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm just looking at the balance between produced and consumed [25-Jun-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 resource extraction be like that :P [25-Jun-24 08:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Literally selling rocks [25-Jun-24 08:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 Why didnโ€™t I think of that? ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 elon, SE-648b, boucher [25-Jun-24 08:31 PM] jvaler#0000 super cheap [25-Jun-24 08:32 PM] jvaler#0000 but not actually... very logi intensive [25-Jun-24 08:33 PM] jvaler#0000 thank molp for darkfuel though ๐Ÿ™ [25-Jun-24 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HAL is yummy rocks [25-Jun-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 oh yeah, 6 month check in {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255335270115573861/Screenshot_2024-06-25_183343.png?ex=6814c9d3&is=68137853&hm=de6d9ab9be1c82c80296835d7b092ef9926322899d477abf53cac897bf1a3adf& [25-Jun-24 08:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 sometimes i sell at 100/u shhh [25-Jun-24 08:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh and IG malahat techincally makes me ~30k/d [25-Jun-24 08:35 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't think PMMG actually takes real sale price into account. it thinks i make 100k/d on heph which i technically do, but i don't often sell it at market prices {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Jun-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm aware of that. Do you think it takes purchase price into account for the consumed category? [25-Jun-24 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 or just current market value? [25-Jun-24 08:36 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm not sure... i'd assume the latter? [25-Jun-24 08:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 Id kinda assume it just multiplies out your burn [25-Jun-24 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I sold like 4k HAL today/yesterday and my equity shows that bc I think it was pricing it at 300/u not the 150/u I sold it at {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255335992370401341/Screenshot_2024-06-25_193617.png?ex=6814ca7f&is=681378ff&hm=1279e0c599f83127cd55416ea46925abbf87206c932c887c9a60c8a7153f6df4& [25-Jun-24 08:37 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't see how it could track purchase price. There's RL inventory systems that struggle with that [25-Jun-24 08:37 PM] jcheung#0000 And those systems cost like $100/mo or more [25-Jun-24 08:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i think you can see where my afabs sold the other day and i gained 12mil. it must have been undervaluing it? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255336677795172412/image.png?ex=6814cb23&is=681379a3&hm=c08a208b6d5dc2e248304386dcc482337beeed6843ba2487c49cea4c5ffbb87a& [25-Jun-24 08:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Equity might just be tracking your credits [25-Jun-24 08:41 PM] jcheung#0000 Or does it also include non-liquid assets? [25-Jun-24 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just super proud of this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255337227542859816/Screenshot_2024-06-25_184143.png?ex=6814cba6&is=68137a26&hm=2d7b67e2f19b8c08c23497a23307c079dcedd9759e3730d1c1044ab45abb4524& [25-Jun-24 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 Malahat bases are hella expensive so for that to only be half my net worth [25-Jun-24 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 that's what I'm proud of [25-Jun-24 08:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Actually, what's a decent income/d for a 500a base [25-Jun-24 08:42 PM] jcheung#0000 I know it depends on the base type, but on the low end what could be expected? [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 uh i think my harmonia farm does like 30k/d [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 which is low [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and thats the full 500 area [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Okay, cool [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 you can look at my bases up there and just discount Malahat and Deimos (750 area) [25-Jun-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 those are going to be pretty typical [25-Jun-24 08:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Cool [25-Jun-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 ...actually maybe not Elon [25-Jun-24 08:44 PM] tanda#0000 that's half BMPs [25-Jun-24 08:44 PM] jvaler#0000 equity is everything afaik liquid+materials+buildings [25-Jun-24 08:47 PM] jvaler#0000 25-35k/d is serviceable, 35-50k/d is average, 50-70k/d is great, and anything above is excellent you only really see the first range when looking at stuff where the market is terrible at the moment, or FRMs. FRMs are still good despite the low numbers due to their low cost to build, giving them good ROI periods [25-Jun-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Neat [25-Jun-24 08:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 may I flex a graph? [25-Jun-24 08:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255340382829416499/image.png?ex=6814ce96&is=68137d16&hm=3471543b78eea565fcef96e5b256b1a3ed1db9dfcf6ee5decbdba7236b40ccb2& [25-Jun-24 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Only if it includes compensation for the envy it'll cause [25-Jun-24 08:55 PM] tanda#0000 dang! [25-Jun-24 08:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's hugely distorted by group projects and donations from retired players [25-Jun-24 08:55 PM] jvaler#0000 that criminal MM money... [25-Jun-24 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 I can't wait to get home and show mine off [25-Jun-24 08:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255340811466309694/image.png?ex=6814cefc&is=68137d7c&hm=73b23da27e7ade35c6cdc741bb4ab4bd0ea1cec6ba5d71fe1e7046e7848c73fc& [25-Jun-24 08:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 @tanda mahalat is pretty much 50% of my net worth as well ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 okay, so I don't have my 5th expert on Malahat yet, but how do you have that much higher produced and consumed than me? [25-Jun-24 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 are you IDC or EDC? [25-Jun-24 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 I wonder, I only got my full allotment of ENG 5 days ago, how long does xit Fin_Production average out over? [25-Jun-24 08:59 PM] tanda#0000 I am EDC [25-Jun-24 08:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 IDC [25-Jun-24 08:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 is how [25-Jun-24 09:00 PM] tanda#0000 ah, okay [25-Jun-24 09:01 PM] tanda#0000 with the new update tomorrow, how are you more long term players expecting the server stability to be? [25-Jun-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 trying to plan out my next 48 hours [25-Jun-24 09:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm expecting a brief Prun vacation ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 09:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I honestly have no idea [25-Jun-24 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Define brief [25-Jun-24 09:04 PM] jcheung#0000 And how severe is impact [25-Jun-24 09:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 the last release I was around for was the german translation, and that seemed to go pretty smoothly [25-Jun-24 09:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 at least in server terms [25-Jun-24 09:30 PM] evany.#0000 goddamn i thought i was doing OK [25-Jun-24 09:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 you are doing OK - I've played twice as long as you _and_ sold out to powerful interests ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] evany.#0000 do we need a feet pics channel is that it [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] evany.#0000 im pretty shameless y'know [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 different powerful interests ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] evany.#0000 damn well itried [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] jcheung#0000 behold, my equity ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255350021486809108/image.png?ex=6814d790&is=68138610&hm=d28d197c7826cd5902ce442ef9aa56988bd90e4a3a8637174547018c6728fdf7& [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] evany.#0000 hahahaha [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] evany.#0000 you win [25-Jun-24 09:32 PM] tanda#0000 no data points available yet [25-Jun-24 09:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 literally off the charts ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 09:33 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255350179125526558/image.png?ex=6814d7b5&is=68138635&hm=935cf63d5f18a95c55214619ec4a4bec5069e28699edc46f88e8e58a70d6a5b5& [25-Jun-24 09:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/make-it-rain-tacomoney-gif-22410159 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/make-it-rain-tacomoney-gif-22410159 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5E4mvTmSi7oxVyPZJ3Z56fIhJ-rsYaHqLszD3C5yg-U/https/media.tenor.com/1rlX5_QozRcAAAAe/make-it.png [25-Jun-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 question regarding WKP kits [25-Jun-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 is there someone internally making LHP? [25-Jun-24 09:43 PM] evany.#0000 yes there is one person in #internal-offers kz_kawasaki [25-Jun-24 09:44 PM] evany.#0000 bit of a wait, though [25-Jun-24 09:45 PM] jcheung#0000 thinking about plopping down a HWP [25-Jun-24 09:45 PM] jcheung#0000 is why i'm asking [25-Jun-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 I am very slowly making LHP, about 17 a day [25-Jun-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 I currently have 47 on hand [25-Jun-24 09:46 PM] evany.#0000 i didn't realize that [25-Jun-24 09:46 PM] evany.#0000 heeey taaaanda wanna be friends [25-Jun-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 how much of that stuff do you need lol [25-Jun-24 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 for repairs? like 10 at 80%ish [25-Jun-24 09:48 PM] tanda#0000 let me run the blueprints again [25-Jun-24 09:48 PM] evany.#0000 hes right. 10 @ 80%ish [25-Jun-24 09:48 PM] evany.#0000 i confirm - i just repaired my ships yesterday [25-Jun-24 09:49 PM] tanda#0000 looks like you need 64 for the BHP to LHP conversion [25-Jun-24 09:52 PM] evany.#0000 i need 94 tanda [25-Jun-24 09:52 PM] tanda#0000 with more AL producers coming into our little group, I might swap out a couple smelters for another HWP so we have steady supply internally [25-Jun-24 09:52 PM] evany.#0000 funny you mention that since nyan is dropping a smelting base, igfloz dropped ALO and my stuff lands at deimos tonight to spin up smelting [25-Jun-24 09:53 PM] evany.#0000 so i will be less reliant on you in the future at some point (well, for AL..) [25-Jun-24 09:53 PM] tanda#0000 I've been selling AL internally for so long I don't think I've sold any on the CX in a minute, lol [25-Jun-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 a HWP seems like a good idea, I'll try to move that into place in the next week [25-Jun-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 good news is I'll have 94 LHP in about 3 days of production at current rate (17 per day) [25-Jun-24 09:55 PM] evany.#0000 i don't know if ill need it all that soon - but i need a 2k/2k/ [25-Jun-24 09:55 PM] evany.#0000 so if jcheung needs some prioritize him first ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Jun-24 09:56 PM] evany.#0000 i can't afford the whole ship rn but i might ask him to do a deal like half now half later [25-Jun-24 09:56 PM] evany.#0000 idk if he will go for that [25-Jun-24 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 through the WKP program? I thought those were loans? [25-Jun-24 09:56 PM] evany.#0000 2k/2k [25-Jun-24 09:56 PM] evany.#0000 not wcb [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 upgrade or new ship? [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 new ship [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 rise sells them for like ~5m [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 oof yeah, might want to just keep it simple and take out a loan for it [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. can someone review two base designs for me and give me your thoughts? [hep](https://prunplanner.org/shared/1070f553-cfbf-46f1-8154-0d68e797cdd2) base was designed with a requirement of 12 NL/d output [deimos](https://prunplanner.org/shared/bc1fafd6-0198-4ffb-9184-9281ab10beab) was designed with requirement of 65 GL/d output [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 well even if he agrees to loan i still need to buy lhp and ssc myself [25-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 so ill need your part regardless [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i'm not trying to *get* the stuff [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 at least not yet [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 I don't even have an internal price figured out yet. Let me run numbers real quick [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 ....i don't know if i need a bigger ship yet [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 take your time tanda [25-Jun-24 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 you do, just not yet, lol [25-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 i have no idea what the logistic tail is gonna look like for these two bases ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [25-Jun-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 for smelting in general it is large [25-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jvaler#0000 68 [25-Jun-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 that's why I buy ALO strictly from the LM unless things get bad [25-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jvaler#0000 at least with the fuel tank setup schaitr gives [25-Jun-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 okay, cool [25-Jun-24 10:00 PM] jcheung#0000 what do you get back when you do a ship upgrade? [25-Jun-24 10:00 PM] jvaler#0000 but i've already sourced LHP for all 12 current kits, so that's not a concern [25-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 nothing [25-Jun-24 10:01 PM] jcheung#0000 sorry, i mean what resources don't you have to spend compared to building a new ship [25-Jun-24 10:01 PM] evany.#0000 oh. a lot [25-Jun-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 oh good, I got worried for a second, lol [25-Jun-24 10:01 PM] evany.#0000 to build a new starter ship i read that it was over 3mil, but to upgrade its only ~800k {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] jcheung#0000 are there any shipyard fees? [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] evany.#0000 in reality you'd never _build_ a starter ship [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] jvaler#0000 3mil is a generous offer from rise, it could even be more [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] jvaler#0000 nope [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] jcheung#0000 how do you determine the cost difference [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] jvaler#0000 you sum the cost of the parts required for the construction or upgrade [25-Jun-24 10:02 PM] evany.#0000 a lot of spreadsheeting [25-Jun-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 okay, I love the variety of things you're doing here but I see some pain in this [25-Jun-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 STL is not something I would want in a starter ship [25-Jun-24 10:03 PM] evany.#0000 and praying the items are even available^ [25-Jun-24 10:03 PM] evany.#0000 the plan is admirable but doesn't look noob friendly [25-Jun-24 10:03 PM] evany.#0000 look at the deim-plan import/export requirements per day.. wow [25-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 dozens of resources being maintained [25-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 i struggled for my first 50 days maintaining my simple 1 item production lines [25-Jun-24 10:04 PM] jcheung#0000 STL isn't something i intend to produce a lot of, i should have diluted that with AL and FE some. forgot to do so. it's for PT use on the hep BMPs [25-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 i don't see how a new player would maintain that through its ups and downs [25-Jun-24 10:04 PM] jvaler#0000 that's not bad? easily doable with a single starter [25-Jun-24 10:05 PM] jvaler#0000 but i'm worried about the GL, last i checked that wasn't very lucrative. i'd need to get on the computer to check though [25-Jun-24 10:06 PM] evany.#0000 400m3/d is certainly doable especially with two starters.. but your gonna be doing daily trips dragging back and forth praying things have sold by the time you login next [25-Jun-24 10:06 PM] evany.#0000 not realistic in my (limited) experience [25-Jun-24 10:06 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, no part of the GL is really profitable. Good variety for BTA, but even I'm processing it into RG for Rfabs [25-Jun-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 i guess i should mention that the GL and NL mentioned for 'requirements' would be pre-sold to hal [25-Jun-24 10:07 PM] jcheung#0000 at least for the near future [25-Jun-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 ah, yeah. That makes sense [25-Jun-24 10:07 PM] jvaler#0000 and at the point where you only make it for self sufficiency it's better to just buy it off the CX so... [25-Jun-24 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 without messing with prices, it's showing 5k/d with a ROI of 11d right now [25-Jun-24 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 and i'd be tactically acquiring NA from sidepipe [25-Jun-24 10:09 PM] jvaler#0000 what are your CX settings? i don't trust anything other than both buy and sell being set to AI1Ask [25-Jun-24 10:09 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe u already did that, but just wanna make sure :P [25-Jun-24 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255359441675485245/image.png?ex=6814e056&is=68138ed6&hm=db0072b94fe6003912673308ede941905fe40bc134e5fde86ec06549d8c8d6b2& [25-Jun-24 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [25-Jun-24 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 well in that case it'd be even better than projected i guess? [25-Jun-24 10:10 PM] tanda#0000 for something like a HWP, is it worth even having the support for 10 TEC? [25-Jun-24 10:10 PM] jvaler#0000 cause i hope you don't sell to bids lol [25-Jun-24 10:11 PM] tanda#0000 I don't even have habs for them [25-Jun-24 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 gl prices do look like they went up recently [25-Jun-24 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 looking at longer trend, it was at an all time low two months ago [25-Jun-24 10:12 PM] jcheung#0000 err. maybe not all time low [25-Jun-24 10:12 PM] jcheung#0000 but low over 180d [25-Jun-24 10:12 PM] jvaler#0000 here i'm back [25-Jun-24 10:13 PM] jvaler#0000 looks very stable to me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255360299259789333/image.png?ex=6814e122&is=68138fa2&hm=480b9909304b5f94da17303f718fed70575525b7ff76fbc788416f861b3e549a& [25-Jun-24 10:14 PM] jvaler#0000 if it's reading profitable according to prunplanner it seems okay [25-Jun-24 10:14 PM] tanda#0000 the Hep one looks solid [25-Jun-24 10:14 PM] jcheung#0000 happy to hear that [25-Jun-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 now i'm not against changing things up a whole lot ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 10:15 PM] jvaler#0000 WPL heavy on heph, i like it [25-Jun-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 well. 12NL/d reserved for hal, so that leaves 6/d to slowly sell elsewhere [25-Jun-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 at max output that is [25-Jun-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 won't have the experts for a while [25-Jun-24 10:16 PM] jvaler#0000 those PSM & PSS might not sell very well, but you could always change up the recipes easily {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255361057900462090/image.png?ex=6814e1d7&is=68139057&hm=c7aeeb1d541c4008e84571cffbeba31c96066ccd39c207321cc505defd4c11f3& [25-Jun-24 10:16 PM] jvaler#0000 note the 7d unit count [25-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 am aware [25-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 wait does PSS sell at all? i've never looked into this item lmfao [25-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god CXPC is barren [25-Jun-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 was planning on just rotating through to make a small stock of each and then mostly working PSL [25-Jun-24 10:18 PM] tanda#0000 looks like PSS is mostly for shipbuilding [25-Jun-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 and PDAs [25-Jun-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 engineer upkeep [25-Jun-24 10:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i could always swap one of the PPFs to a BMP as well [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 so you mentioned having some long term contracts locked in. Do you have the funding to set this up, or do you need more time? [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] jcheung#0000 funding from hal [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 do you need a free key for PRO? [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] jcheung#0000 hal gave me one [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 oh nice [25-Jun-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 oh nice [25-Jun-24 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 omg [25-Jun-24 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 although i'll probably have to get one for myself to guarentee basic at a minimum ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jun-24 10:22 PM] jcheung#0000 base build, one month upkeep, repayment by selling materials at cost (well. or so i offered anyways) [25-Jun-24 10:23 PM] tanda#0000 he got that HAL money [25-Jun-24 10:23 PM] jvaler#0000 y'know you could still get an AGP grant on top of that. just to make your situation a little more comfortable ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [25-Jun-24 10:24 PM] jcheung#0000 i typed up a request about 4 times to ask about it, but wasn't sure if i should ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jun-24 10:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i would happily take the grant out as a loan though. if this works out it should pay for itself pretty decently quicklike [25-Jun-24 10:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 You should - itโ€™s free money ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Jun-24 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 you've done plenty of planning and i've seen you clearly get the gist of what good base design looks like. i can throw you the money right now tbh [25-Jun-24 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 no no, no loan. sending u money rn [25-Jun-24 10:25 PM] jvaler#0000 wait [25-Jun-24 10:26 PM] jvaler#0000 key [25-Jun-24 10:26 PM] jvaler#0000 i forgor [25-Jun-24 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 i haven't redeemed it yet, let me do that now [25-Jun-24 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. temp pro now [25-Jun-24 10:26 PM] jcheung#0000 i might have been sitting on it for a bit while i rebuilt my plans again ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jun-24 10:27 PM] jvaler#0000 LMAO your company name [25-Jun-24 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 i was wondering how long it would take for someone to see [25-Jun-24 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 it started off ending in Ltd. but i liked PDC code more [25-Jun-24 10:31 PM] jcheung#0000 here i was thinking the HWP would be the one that drew flak, but instead it was glass ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 10:31 PM] jvaler#0000 LHP is pretty pricey right now, it's good money [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 also pricy to produce ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 though that might not make up for current AL prices... yeah [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 but you're making AL yourself so "if i make it myself it's free" ๐Ÿคช [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 welll [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 "free" might be a misnomer [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah lol, just joking [25-Jun-24 10:32 PM] tanda#0000 if I'm making my AL myself it's significantly cheaper [25-Jun-24 10:33 PM] tanda#0000 especially since I make my own C, and my own GRN [25-Jun-24 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 i marked it as 400/u cost though, instead of 700 or whatever cx is [25-Jun-24 10:33 PM] jcheung#0000 which might drop if i start trading C from cheaper sources [25-Jun-24 10:33 PM] jvaler#0000 the AL isn't cheaper, the AL still costs market price. you're just making lots of value by producing it while it's so expensive [25-Jun-24 10:34 PM] jcheung#0000 hwp adds almost no value compared to selling AL straight (actually i think it might lose a little) [25-Jun-24 10:34 PM] jcheung#0000 that said, it reduces weight by a good margin which means i can store more shtuff ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 10:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255365773740867664/opportunity_cost.png?ex=6814e63c&is=681394bc&hm=05f4245846d8ac802271633d14c28dc67d4f4b8efeb1a9c21a10f1fbbf5dcc93& [25-Jun-24 10:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This meme strikes again [25-Jun-24 10:36 PM] jvaler#0000 my god you're a pro already [25-Jun-24 10:36 PM] jvaler#0000 you get it [25-Jun-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Iโ€™m a scientist I donโ€™t do economics so [25-Jun-24 10:37 PM] jvaler#0000 is it just a coincidence HAL is a good product? :P [25-Jun-24 10:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [25-Jun-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i... well, i can't even argue that i'm not a pro because i have a dang pro license now >.< [25-Jun-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 i sure don't feel like a pro [25-Jun-24 10:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 License to Pro ๐Ÿ˜Ž [25-Jun-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 that said, if i can ship the LHP to NC1 i could get a pretty penny for it there [25-Jun-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 at least for now [25-Jun-24 10:39 PM] .shiva.#0000 Shipping LHP kinda sucks [25-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jcheung#0000 buy order for 100 at 3.2k... @tanda if you have some sitting around idk if that looks like a good value for you [25-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 you understand efficiency factors, you understand opportunity cost, and you understand external considerations like logistics and possible market forces. i'm writing up your diploma now [25-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jcheung#0000 there's gaps in my knowledge large enough to sail a barge through without touching anything [25-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jcheung#0000 ...sideways [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well what kind of barge? [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 yet you've chosen some items for your builds that are excellent upgrades over a traditional line [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 VCB or WCB? ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 definitely a VCB [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 3x as big [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 most people just pack out their first base with SME [25-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255367085924814858/Hull-C-1149.png?ex=6814e774&is=681395f4&hm=650e2b11b29cf6fb80cad53ae302b672eb69263007ddcc298f2f376ba179f9bf& [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 ....how'd you know about plan # 7 [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 i threw that out before i even got on prunplanner! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel attacked [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 hey that was me too [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i feel seen [25-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 shout out rise [25-Jun-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 to clarify i tossed it specifically because i started planning to trade time for cheaper upgrade path... had i remained free, i obviously would need a few months to build up [25-Jun-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 ...which might have involved PP1's until someone told me PP2s used AL instead of FE >.< [25-Jun-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 I want to say I've seen the majority of AGP grants since I've been here be used on full SME bases [25-Jun-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 that was the go-to for australis yeah [25-Jun-24 10:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I never did that ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Jun-24 10:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I miss the days Afka and I were running 3 permits each on harmonia and one 3 permit base on Norwick. Shipping all those crops with starter ships nearly made me quit [25-Jun-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i think it was evayoo where i broke that status quo and had them go PP2 on nike [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what'd you do? [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 harmonia? [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 AGP grant to make SME [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And yet AL is still somehow 845/u ๐Ÿ˜ซ [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] evany.#0000 guilty. and its been running since {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [25-Jun-24 10:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But I never got any grant to make a base [25-Jun-24 10:45 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh huh [25-Jun-24 10:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m a self made entrepreneur [25-Jun-24 10:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sorry engineer [25-Jun-24 10:45 PM] evany.#0000 of questionable import mind you {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255368421101666394/image.png?ex=6814e8b3&is=68139733&hm=0e0747795872697c1a66137a3ea332f361d922588079f7a8b4817ea500f2bf44& [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 there's a bunch of sell orders at 710 at deimos [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 woahh is this cause of AL prices? [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 yes [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 and carbon [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] jvaler#0000 AL makes up for carbon costs rn doesn't it? [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 oh your right [25-Jun-24 10:46 PM] evany.#0000 its same 'cost' [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 how many SME on deimos rn? 31k prod seems really low [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] evany.#0000 3 [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 ahh [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] evany.#0000 all i could afford by time i got grant [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] jvaler#0000 gonna work on those next? given AL prices and all :P [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] evany.#0000 i followed tutorial, and it took 21 days before i built my next sme [25-Jun-24 10:47 PM] tanda#0000 AL is definitely what's driving Nike productivity down [25-Jun-24 10:48 PM] evany.#0000 to which i learned i didn't have enough workers.. 7 days later i built anothner hab then ran out of alo.. and xflqr gave me 100k to build a new extractor and the base still stands like that because he told me to join here [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] jvaler#0000 sounds about right lol [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] evany.#0000 and i think it was jvaler that told me to goto nike with my 750k [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] evany.#0000 and tanda [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I had to COLIQ bc I started on nascent so [25-Jun-24 10:49 PM] jvaler#0000 though i assumed you'd backtrack and fill out your deimos base with those bfab profits lol [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 honestly i was buying AL off cx [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Those PPP profits now [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And me [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 to subsequently get enough [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 weeks later i learned of hal and tanda [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i remember that lol, that was unique {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 then i got elon [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 and he's floated my ass [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I read a guide from like 2021 [25-Jun-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 First mistake [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] jvaler#0000 wait why'd it recommend nascent? [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] evany.#0000 man i tried to read and watch guides and shit [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] evany.#0000 honestly it was kinda bullshit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk I forgot [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Lemme go find that guide ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] jvaler#0000 the video tutorials are so slow ๐Ÿ˜ด [25-Jun-24 10:51 PM] evany.#0000 yea [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 and they didn't really provide any new information that wasn't already in the ingame tutorial [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 and now the ingame tutorial just points you at the video [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what?? [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 doesn't say anything [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 mmhm [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 you're kidding that can't be real [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 it tells you like 'now you should build a building' and links you to the build a building tutorial [25-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 on youtube [25-Jun-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 what about all the pop ups and stuff D: [25-Jun-24 10:53 PM] evany.#0000 theres a few for ui elements to introduce the screen [25-Jun-24 10:53 PM] evany.#0000 but once it starts talking about gameplay elements.. "heres youtube" [25-Jun-24 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They were bad [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] tanda#0000 I wish were still in the era of text based GAMEFAQ guides {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just kinda stumbled through the UI [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] tanda#0000 I'm sick of video guides nowadays [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i wanna see this for myself but you can't make second accounts ๐Ÿ˜” [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 honestly your so right tanda [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 clearly it's COLIQ time ๐Ÿคช [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 there is some like [25-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 'now click here' stuff jvaler [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] evany.#0000 i mean i'm sure they wouldn't give a shit if you made a 2nd account just to look at the NPE and provide feedback to them [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm maybe i'm misremembering? cause i can't remember the specifics of any of the pop-ups, it's been too long [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe there were video redirects [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/nemesis-starting-packages/2982 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/nemesis-starting-packages/2982 Nemesis starting packages Alternate starting packages, as some ideal starts are not listed(i.e the resource extractor start). They can also be viewed on our discord: Discord Resource extractor. Stable starting packages and can be quite lucrative depending on where you settle. COL(Collectors) collect Atmospheric resources and EXT collect mineral resources depending on... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 the guide i followed [25-Jun-24 10:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i did the extractor one [25-Jun-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 ctrl+f doesn't show nascent ๐Ÿง [25-Jun-24 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it wasn't nascent back then [25-Jun-24 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it was QJ-149c [25-Jun-24 10:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ohhh duh [25-Jun-24 11:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i mean for the early universe not that bad [25-Jun-24 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wow look who commented on this too! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255373570419327086/Screenshot_2024-06-25_220608.png?ex=6814ed7e&is=68139bfe&hm=f3ed5d7803191262829b0f57016932eeff27e2a396386002cbd8a704df4b31d6& [25-Jun-24 11:09 PM] jcheung#0000 went through them all. was painful [25-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jvaler#0000 hold on... did BRN sort copy me or did i copy BRN sort? i think i copied BRN sort due to some way it handled something being consumed and produced in the same base or something [25-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jvaler#0000 cause i think BRN sort has been around for like forever [25-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jvaler#0000 no way that's new [25-Jun-24 11:43 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [26-Jun-24 12:04 AM] jcheung#0000 hum de dum... time to do a lot of shopping [26-Jun-24 12:47 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. did server update just hit? [26-Jun-24 12:54 AM] evany.#0000 35minutes [26-Jun-24 12:55 AM] evany.#0000 but some things seem broken already [26-Jun-24 12:55 AM] evany.#0000 im going to bed anyway. gn friends [26-Jun-24 01:26 AM] jcheung#0000 Hum de dum [26-Jun-24 01:27 AM] jcheung#0000 I guess I'll sleep so the update doesn't get me while I'm trying to look things up [26-Jun-24 03:53 AM] razenpok#0000 Hephaestus my beloved {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255445861325078558/image.png?ex=68148812&is=68133692&hm=7314f0f4a7a1628fddead2643a01a8fb120426390fd991af834f297f8557e123& [26-Jun-24 03:54 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm happy I landed on heph instead of phobos, thanks a ton for the advice in the beginning [26-Jun-24 05:38 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan-nodding-hogan-gif-12315629892838477060 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan-nodding-hogan-gif-12315629892838477060 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tbzSvTlv8xeqwVd59J9n9KiL0n7f0Pht_P32q6m_hPI/https/media.tenor.com/qunoIvPRzQQAAAAe/hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan.png [26-Jun-24 06:49 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m ready for this trade 152 AEF @ 1200 = 182400 [26-Jun-24 10:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh ok [26-Jun-24 10:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t have 152 rn [26-Jun-24 10:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I just got me NE for it last night [26-Jun-24 10:10 AM] avalock#0000 lol whoops, i sent a contract but you can accept whenever, its 7 day length [26-Jun-24 10:10 AM] avalock#0000 but i can remake if you want [26-Jun-24 10:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 meh its fine ๐Ÿ™‚ [26-Jun-24 10:37 AM] .urpalhal#0000 it will only take me 3 days to make [26-Jun-24 10:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and I would do that for you [26-Jun-24 11:09 AM] avalock#0000 sounds good uwu [26-Jun-24 11:10 AM] avalock#0000 enjoy some capital for now ๐Ÿซก [26-Jun-24 04:48 PM] razenpok#0000 re: RCO logistics/production planning @jcheung {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Jun-24 04:49 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~whoops, wrong ping, sorry jvaler~~ [26-Jun-24 04:49 PM] igfloz#0000 So Harmonia is an Agri planet. Have you set up there ? [26-Jun-24 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 I have not. All i have now is my dinky starter base, though i hope to change that in the next week or so [26-Jun-24 04:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm just so important, i get it ๐Ÿฅฐ {Reactions} blobheart babahaslove [26-Jun-24 04:50 PM] jcheung#0000 Where's harmonia again? [26-Jun-24 04:51 PM] razenpok#0000 I have a base on harmonia. Would HYF work better for RCO? Afaik FAR is rather slow for it [26-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 ZV-896b or if you have PMMG installed it allows you to just do `PLI harmonia` and it autocorrects [26-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm not home right now [26-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [26-Jun-24 04:52 PM] igfloz#0000 FRM is slower, but less H2O, so it's kinda trade off I think [26-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 At work so mobile limited [26-Jun-24 04:52 PM] razenpok#0000 And FRM is a cheaper initial investment [26-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255641908097716274/image.png?ex=681495e7&is=68134467&hm=582fdb4a1e6e032979642a980d1c5750c3197c3eca4bd77caad78ade4b3cc51d& [26-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Neat. That's close [26-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 the flight ANT <-> harmonia is 8-12hrs [26-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. For you [26-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 that's based off a starter upgraded to WCB. if anything it'd be slightly faster for you [26-Jun-24 04:53 PM] igfloz#0000 no.. that's flight time for a starter ship [26-Jun-24 04:54 PM] igfloz#0000 ..or therabouts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Jun-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh. I forgot. I was dragging the sliders all the way to the left [26-Jun-24 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 It's, uh. Slower to get to ant with those settings [26-Jun-24 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i do too, but only for reactor. completely minimum engine usage is pretty bad, you get huge gains from bumping it up even a single pip above minimum {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255642692432564225/image.png?ex=681496a2&is=68134522&hm=5246390b3fbcefd1db5ccc32aa8c3267da2cebda2a90aba744248cb32f2dd587& [26-Jun-24 04:56 PM] jvaler#0000 depending on the route the gains taper off around 150-250 SF used [26-Jun-24 04:57 PM] igfloz#0000 Similar for me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255643187599507476/image.png?ex=68149718&is=68134598&hm=eec172cca9523992474e0b5121d67eeb323af481b48c669a85a7d7b73d5c9fea& [26-Jun-24 04:58 PM] jvaler#0000 and always remember to abuse the flight calculation bug, where if you just click the same fuel settings again it has a random(?) chance to choose between 2 different flight path calculations. one of those calculations is almost always superior in every way: time, degradation, and fuel usage {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Jun-24 04:58 PM] jvaler#0000 this only applies to FTL flights though, the bug is still present with STL flights but there are no gains when comparing the two options [26-Jun-24 05:00 PM] razenpok#0000 50t/day import/export just to cover my current RCO consumption. The setup is relatively cheap (360k), but the productivity is just ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255643852069670932/image.png?ex=681497b7&is=68134637&hm=7a3afb80e172872cfd7000f0cc2a34cec89103e259e17a23dc54ae1763dffde0& [26-Jun-24 05:01 PM] razenpok#0000 I think it might be more worth it to just ship from HRT, the farm boys there be farmin [26-Jun-24 05:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh yeah, i was maybe one or two pips over min [26-Jun-24 05:01 PM] razenpok#0000 something something orbital mechanics [26-Jun-24 05:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Woof, negative profit [26-Jun-24 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 it's still a bug though afaik [26-Jun-24 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 even though it's been in the game for like forever afaik lmao [26-Jun-24 05:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Orbital mechanics took the day off. I found that starter ship doesn't give a shit about how much mass you have in fuel or cargo [26-Jun-24 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 With some alterations to ship design, 1300-1500 total mass it doesn't care [26-Jun-24 05:04 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah, mass has minimal effects on flight time because it only affects the STL portion of the flight. ship volume is the determining factor for the FTL portion [26-Jun-24 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Above that it does [26-Jun-24 05:05 PM] jcheung#0000 IRL if you increase the mass by 50% you bet your ass you're paying for it lol [26-Jun-24 05:05 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [26-Jun-24 05:05 PM] jvaler#0000 well irl we don't have FTL capabilities :P [26-Jun-24 05:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Well [26-Jun-24 05:05 PM] jcheung#0000 We were talking about sublight [26-Jun-24 05:07 PM] jcheung#0000 I have too many hours in KSP to not complain about the mass ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Jun-24 05:07 PM] jvaler#0000 but a large portion of the flight time of ships ingame is spent in FTL [26-Jun-24 05:07 PM] jvaler#0000 so it's not 1:1 comparable [26-Jun-24 05:08 PM] jcheung#0000 At the same time, a not insignificant amount of time is spent getting to open space to jump [26-Jun-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 8hrs spent in FTL, 3hrs in STL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1255646376382169210/image.png?ex=68149a10&is=68134890&hm=d0d98391a62c6f6477d3ef3c3954d63825654a76c8937c11df4fca33e0de6605& [26-Jun-24 05:11 PM] jvaler#0000 idk maybe the mass impact is too small, idk what numbers you're looking at [26-Jun-24 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 I think our sense of scale is different ๐Ÿ˜ [26-Jun-24 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 33% is a fair chunk imo [26-Jun-24 05:13 PM] jvaler#0000 idk what kinda time increase you were expecting [26-Jun-24 05:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean they have mass calculations for non-stock ships [26-Jun-24 11:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so I make 44/d and I have 15 atm (i should repair my line and it would be faster)... [27-Jun-24 05:15 AM] avalock#0000 lmao i can cancel the contract so you can just send whatever you make [27-Jun-24 10:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I can give it to you when itโ€™s alllll done [27-Jun-24 10:21 AM] avalock#0000 sounds good o7 [29-Jun-24 05:40 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 anyone running multple purpose bases, are that just a waste? [29-Jun-24 05:43 PM] tanda#0000 extremely situational [29-Jun-24 05:44 PM] tanda#0000 currently running a split BMP/CHP base on Elon as part of the PPPPPPProject. The BMPs are for the project, the CHPs are because Elon is a chemicals planet [29-Jun-24 05:44 PM] tanda#0000 I was running 3 CHPs on Nike for a very long time for the purpose of FLX manufacturing, but those are gone now [29-Jun-24 05:45 PM] tanda#0000 independently, none of them are *good* ideas, but they each serve their purpose [29-Jun-24 05:52 PM] evany.#0000 i'd also say its easy to add that depending on your purpose its kind of normal i.e you see people spin up water bases that are only half-built because they dont require it to be full or maybe have the means / logistic hell to haul it so if you had a different material you could do it there too. "simple" things like that. personally for more advanced products i can't imagine it makes sense to be tracking a dozen inputs it probably doesn't make sense to say throw down 3 SME, 3 GF, 3 HWP, 3 SKF on deimos for example even though technically it would work / match cogc [29-Jun-24 05:56 PM] tanda#0000 >.> [29-Jun-24 05:57 PM] evany.#0000 disagree ? [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256745520249176065/Screenshot_2024-06-29_155744.png?ex=6814a539&is=681353b9&hm=db5467acd887088884363db675bd2f2e768360b03ae2b1ba7965f3ffaf841a36& [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 lol [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 not really, but I already did exactly your example [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] evany.#0000 ROFL [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] evany.#0000 kinda funny. ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] evany.#0000 missing t he skf! [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] evany.#0000 need that swiss-army-base [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 true, but you know how many things it takes to feed one SKF [29-Jun-24 05:59 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not touching that building yet [29-Jun-24 05:59 PM] evany.#0000 hell forget the cogc just build 1 of everything [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] evany.#0000 "hey tanda can i get 32 lhp" "sure my hwp is on a rotation so every six cycles it makes 4 LHP so you need 30 of them your order will be ready in 9 days!" [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] tanda#0000 it's more about passive generation rather than trying to sell it, lol [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] tanda#0000 I've already generated enough to repair my own ships twice and have enough to sell [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] evany.#0000 yeah thats true if your building for your own stock pile thats a different beast [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] tanda#0000 and I'm not even employing the techs for it [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 but at t hat point i'd argue you've missed the mark as the base is no longer profit driven [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 its more of a 'problem solving' base [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Peak base design is having a lot of fabs available so you build and disassemble buildings as you need to make something. You can fit a SKF in this way ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} pog [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] evany.#0000 i'm playing this game wrong when i read shit like that dvorak lol [29-Jun-24 06:03 PM] tanda#0000 The base is also 25 SME 2 GF and 1 HWP, so it's primarily there to make money [29-Jun-24 06:03 PM] evany.#0000 yea [29-Jun-24 06:03 PM] evany.#0000 not much different between 28 sme and 25 [29-Jun-24 06:04 PM] evany.#0000 plus at end of day your gonna play how you feel you wanna play,d oesn't have to be some super meta optimal build shit [29-Jun-24 06:05 PM] tanda#0000 well said [29-Jun-24 06:08 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah, otherwise everybody would be doing my previous strat :) [29-Jun-24 06:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I kinda wanna know how bad it is [29-Jun-24 06:09 PM] evany.#0000 oh god now i'm a bit curious... [29-Jun-24 06:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Like on a farming planet, have a period where you build a bunch of rigs to collect water [29-Jun-24 06:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 then replace with FRMs [29-Jun-24 06:10 PM] evany.#0000 ROFL [29-Jun-24 06:10 PM] evany.#0000 i do wanna see a planet that has all experts unlocked [29-Jun-24 06:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 BSE ain't THAT expensive and you don't lose much of it in a couple days [29-Jun-24 06:10 PM] evany.#0000 just for fun. [29-Jun-24 06:11 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 TRUE, you get to use 5 experts for extraction AND farming [29-Jun-24 06:11 PM] evany.#0000 still i can't imagine the logistics is worth the cost of BSE [29-Jun-24 06:12 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 H2O is a pain in the ass to haul for stuff like DW unless you use PG :( [29-Jun-24 06:12 PM] tanda#0000 PG isn't even close to being cost effective yet, unfortunately [29-Jun-24 06:12 PM] evany.#0000 as long as both production lines are operating at 100% i think then the argument is between your ability to haul it / move it vs the cost of BSE [29-Jun-24 06:13 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I mean it's worse for $/day but I wouldn't be able to run my Norwick base at all without it [29-Jun-24 06:13 PM] evany.#0000 since people fly around full WCB's for less than 10k even if demo/rebuild cost was only 1 bSE each 20 times thats like 20k ? [29-Jun-24 06:13 PM] evany.#0000 i suppose if its really remote though [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] evany.#0000 i looked at doing a HYF base [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Prunplanner says it's a difference of like 200$/day [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] evany.#0000 and MHL is nearly 1.2mil on CX for 1 base [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] tanda#0000 considering you wouldn't need to touch your habs at all, you could technically use rigs to get water, use water to grow plants and then run fps/inc to process it to its shippable form [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] evany.#0000 idk how im gonna solve that. i can't afford that [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] tanda#0000 the real issue I see with this? [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] tanda#0000 that is a LOT of clicking [29-Jun-24 06:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'm looking at it from the perspective of a massive micro tryhard [29-Jun-24 06:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0mEA7DHEZjWj1holCyGeYIsxRcPATLPlrPx7xpLd7pg/https/media.tenor.com/0CXQArozOAEAAAAe/sweaty-speedruner.png [29-Jun-24 06:15 PM] evany.#0000 even more then the clicking is the time optimizations [29-Jun-24 06:15 PM] evany.#0000 'my stors will fill tomorrow at 4am i have to login and swap to $otherthing to begin depleting my stock" [29-Jun-24 10:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hi @Deleted User [29-Jun-24 10:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 hello [29-Jun-24 10:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you can ask your questions here ๐Ÿ™‚ welcome to ADI [29-Jun-24 10:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 thank you, just having a look around the server [29-Jun-24 10:35 PM] Deleted User#0000 i guess someone owned this before? [29-Jun-24 10:36 PM] evany.#0000 ownership has drifted [29-Jun-24 10:36 PM] evany.#0000 now a lunatic is in charge ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jun-24 10:36 PM] jvaler#0000 you watch your tongue, subject. [29-Jun-24 10:36 PM] evany.#0000 sorry masta [29-Jun-24 10:36 PM] jvaler#0000 yes, australis is the founder and previous owner. they got burnt out of the game and server ownership was transferred to me. [29-Jun-24 10:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 nothing wrong with a bit of lunacy sometimes i guess [29-Jun-24 10:37 PM] avalock#0000 true :3 [29-Jun-24 10:37 PM] jvaler#0000 a little bit, as a treat [29-Jun-24 10:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 ah ok just thought id ask since the person who posted the invite in the other server isnt present in this server. looked weird [29-Jun-24 10:38 PM] jvaler#0000 yup, they're not present in any of the other servers either. totally removed their prun-related discord presence [29-Jun-24 10:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 there isn't much drama is there? [29-Jun-24 10:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 game-wide in general, i mean [29-Jun-24 10:38 PM] evany.#0000 in the game? not really [29-Jun-24 10:39 PM] evany.#0000 a bit more currently because of the new update and politics/governments were kind of re-done [29-Jun-24 10:39 PM] jvaler#0000 not really, no. and when there is it's pretty inconsequential. it's essentially player-driven entertainment, really :P [29-Jun-24 10:39 PM] evany.#0000 but to the average player no [29-Jun-24 10:40 PM] jvaler#0000 this community is incredibly friendly [29-Jun-24 10:41 PM] evany.#0000 except for every third monday its mandatory movie night, lucky you- you just missed it [29-Jun-24 10:41 PM] jvaler#0000 the entire co-op ecosystem wouldn't work if they weren't (there's no collateral for abandoning contracts to scam players) but this trust-based house of cards has held strong for years and i don't expect that to change [29-Jun-24 10:41 PM] evany.#0000 whats on the agenda for next july jvaler? [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 Further development of western Antares? [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] jvaler#0000 we're watching a bad marvel movie [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] avalock#0000 can we actually do movie nights [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] evany.#0000 so any of them {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿฅบ [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 ill just clarify i was wondering since that person just left like that i thought maybe this game had somewhat of a toxic environment happy to hear thats not the case [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] evany.#0000 naw just burn out [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 hey now! I love Thor: Ragnarok.... and that's about it [29-Jun-24 10:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 i do recall playing the game a few years ago though but that was without a membership [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 i saw that new ant man movie recently, it was astonishingly garbage. my expectations were lukewarm and they were devastated [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] evany.#0000 i never really watched the thors. were they alright ? [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 Thor and Thor 2 were mid [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] tanda#0000 Thor:Ragnarok I adored, and Thor:Love and Thunder was mid/bad [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] evany.#0000 dude honestly antman seems like the most useless super hero and the stupid arrow guy. idk [29-Jun-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah no, like i said it was just burnout :/ [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ARROW GUY oh my god ikr [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] evany.#0000 i get that you need some 'normies' to make the other heroes look bad ass [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 when australis left he was managing something like 20+ bases [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 but i think ant man has a cool power... the movie was just bad [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 including a lot of logistic overhead [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] evany.#0000 fair enough [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 I can't blame him for burning out [29-Jun-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 not really, actually. it was less than i have rn (16) [29-Jun-24 10:45 PM] tanda#0000 alright, I stand corrected [29-Jun-24 10:45 PM] jvaler#0000 12 or something? i don't remember exactly [29-Jun-24 10:45 PM] evany.#0000 i should give them a try before shitting on it probably ;it just never seemed "ideal" to me yknow [29-Jun-24 10:45 PM] avalock#0000 there isn't much when it comes to toxicity, people here are rather helpful and will usually give you pointers towards efficency and some other stuff :D it's quite nice, and then us inefficent non-profitable people also have a space here too :3 [29-Jun-24 10:45 PM] evany.#0000 my wife really liked ant man but she saw it with one of her friends [29-Jun-24 10:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 is burn out something that occurs often or is it a more isolated thing? [29-Jun-24 10:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 i like to go for the long haul on things i play and so im just trying to work out whether or not this is something id invest time/money into [29-Jun-24 10:47 PM] evany.#0000 honestly burn out is probably as close to winning in this game as you can probably get [29-Jun-24 10:47 PM] evany.#0000 its an economic simulator [29-Jun-24 10:48 PM] evany.#0000 frankly, a rather slow one - too [29-Jun-24 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 that actually makes it better though [29-Jun-24 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 leaves a lot of time for community building [29-Jun-24 10:48 PM] evany.#0000 yeah and t hat's not a negative to be clear [29-Jun-24 10:49 PM] evany.#0000 i mean it would be if your looking for some fast paced 20 minute battleroyale experience [29-Jun-24 10:49 PM] jvaler#0000 there were 2 main factors to australis leaving afaik * almost all of their bases were tied up in AA-style co-op projects, giving them little agency in their gameplay. this made everything they did just a chore to be completed * they felt that they were "not cut out for organization" to run ADI (told to me in dms, idk if i should be airing that out here but...) [29-Jun-24 10:49 PM] evany.#0000 but you probably didn't fall upon the game on google or something because you were googling 'adrenaline pumping spreadsheets' [29-Jun-24 10:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 im somewhat 50/50 on the slowness of the game, on one hand i do like the idea of it being something that i can play occasionally here and there, but comes the question of do i get to the point where i want to do so many things at once but am limited by the timescale of the game [29-Jun-24 10:50 PM] evany.#0000 it would probably be helpful if you shared what kind of game you play / what you are looking for and we can talk about what it is / isn't [29-Jun-24 10:50 PM] avalock#0000 I find burnout is a lot more of a subjective thing in general, I don't think the games nature is very like.... burnout inducing its more like "if I treat something like a job its gonna become a job" always good in general to take a step back and remember why you enjoy something, and breaks in anything you do is generally a good work ethic [29-Jun-24 10:51 PM] jvaler#0000 there's people around who have been playing for year(s). i'm coming up on 1 year played in 2 months myself. you just need to be able to create your own motivation to play, the game won't provide it for you. it's got that sandbox kind of gameplay like minecraft, in a way [29-Jun-24 10:51 PM] tanda#0000 honestly yes, you will. I have about 5 bases planned currently [29-Jun-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 though in my case the issue is a matter of funds, not time [29-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 i'd say it depends on how you treat it @avalock if you take it slow and try to keep 15 days + stock and only send out ships maybe every other weekend for resupply / sales.. then who needs to login everyday [29-Jun-24 10:52 PM] evany.#0000 but hard to get to that level of stability early on. [29-Jun-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 (this is why AGP exists ^ :P) [29-Jun-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 #agp-information [29-Jun-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 early burnout happens a lot, I think. Most people don't expect the game to be as slow as it is. AGP definitely saved this game for me I think [29-Jun-24 10:53 PM] evany.#0000 i'd add that the game starts incredibly slowly but it doesn't _stay_ that way depending on your ability and desire to scale [29-Jun-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 I didn't join ADI until about 2 weeks in, and having that extra funding made a lot of difference [29-Jun-24 10:53 PM] evany.#0000 if you scale to 10-20 bases you will be busy everyday osetting up trades with people, you selling / you buying - dispatching ships moving things around planning your next moves {Reactions} โœ… [29-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 jvaler i have to ask actually [29-Jun-24 10:54 PM] evany.#0000 don't be shy, how many hours do you put into prun a day [29-Jun-24 10:54 PM] avalock#0000 Honestly the thing I enjoy out of this game is helping out team economies ๐Ÿ˜† so I'm happy I'm apart of #kevin-information [29-Jun-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 way less than i used to, i'm definitely feeling the chore side of things with all my AA commitments. but being able to provide AGP grants and #internal-offers goods gives me motivation. i'd say maybe 30mins to an hour. most of my prun "gameplay" is keeping up with community discords lmfao [29-Jun-24 10:55 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-space-space-cat-space-cats-funny-cat-cool-cats-gif-20312471 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-space-space-cat-space-cats-funny-cat-cool-cats-gif-20312471 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hSeraLeUQsuyPuxes1toUYkB14JZ_I_Db2b6Vzgqw2M/https/media.tenor.com/fJ8fA1HeJusAAAAe/cat-in-space-space-cat.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿฑ (2) ๐Ÿ˜ป [29-Jun-24 10:55 PM] evany.#0000 careful around avacyn [29-Jun-24 10:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 thank you for the insights everyone [29-Jun-24 10:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 i think im going to take the plunge and sit on a free license for a bit to see how i feel [29-Jun-24 10:56 PM] evany.#0000 fair enough! he made me consider i wondered what your end game looks like i probably spend ~90 minutes casually spreadsheeting things / making plans trying to sort out how i'm gonna afford things [29-Jun-24 10:56 PM] avalock#0000 pretty good way to start out :3 [29-Jun-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i've barely been looking at expansions lately lol [29-Jun-24 10:57 PM] evany.#0000 its just like end-game in EVE online too [29-Jun-24 10:57 PM] jvaler#0000 just more ships to manage in my mind [29-Jun-24 10:57 PM] evany.#0000 most days you don't even get to login [29-Jun-24 10:57 PM] evany.#0000 hard to get passed the comms boss, 30 dm's about stupid shit to deal with and blue fire and what not ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jun-24 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got a key for free PRO if you want to try it out [29-Jun-24 10:58 PM] evany.#0000 ^incredibly generous [29-Jun-24 10:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 as much as id love to take that please use that on someone else [29-Jun-24 10:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got 6 more I think [29-Jun-24 10:59 PM] jcheung#0000 went for a big pak eh? [29-Jun-24 10:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I wanted to name a planet ๐Ÿ˜ [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] tanda#0000 I also have a key for free PRO [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] tanda#0000 about 11 of them [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] tanda#0000 I wanted to name a system [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] jcheung#0000 dang [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No pressure to take our keys [29-Jun-24 11:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just know it be an option [29-Jun-24 11:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 thank you again [29-Jun-24 11:02 PM] Deleted User#0000 glad to see everyone so welcoming and generous [29-Jun-24 11:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 What's the popular starting profession in ANT now ? [29-Jun-24 11:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I used to dog on metallurgy but the price went up. I still think it's meh [29-Jun-24 11:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Making fuel [29-Jun-24 11:03 PM] tanda#0000 aren't the margins on that really thin? [29-Jun-24 11:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [29-Jun-24 11:04 PM] evany.#0000 I donโ€™t imagine al is much better [29-Jun-24 11:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Since itโ€™s pressed on both sides by the MM [29-Jun-24 11:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'll run a script and see if things changed much since I checked beginner materials [29-Jun-24 11:05 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256822857871261727/image.png?ex=6814ed3f&is=68139bbf&hm=c5217a5cc1be31ac2436d9da247c22e9b4fbd101945a58342b81c71bc099f8ec& [29-Jun-24 11:05 PM] tanda#0000 from a long term strategy perspective in ANT space, you always want to start on Deimos [29-Jun-24 11:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Too big for starter ship [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I did that with my starter shipsโ€ฆ. [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿค” not starter thing, but is there anything worth it to grab from QJ-382 [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 I ran this exact setup for a while with my starters [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It sucked [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] tanda#0000 yep! [29-Jun-24 11:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Eventually you'll have more than one planet and there will be problems [29-Jun-24 11:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And the profit isn't that crazy high to justify that temporarily [29-Jun-24 11:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HWP? [29-Jun-24 11:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Haven't looked at that [29-Jun-24 11:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think thatโ€™s metallurgy [29-Jun-24 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 it is, it'll eat some AL, but not enough to lessen shipping issues [29-Jun-24 11:08 PM] tanda#0000 And who can afford settlers starting out [29-Jun-24 11:09 PM] tanda#0000 honestly if you have other options, go with them? The only one that really says good to me is 382g with Hydrogen. [29-Jun-24 11:09 PM] jcheung#0000 wonder how long until i regret this design [29-Jun-24 11:10 PM] avalock#0000 my thought is turning elon into a hub area, also I could remove H from KARHEL and just name it KAREL [29-Jun-24 11:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now you are NOT going to believe this. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (6) [29-Jun-24 11:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 But we have both impeccable timing, maybe even fate. [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 AL price reached 1000 on some CXs but ANT still has it cheapest [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ANT truly has risen [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 REAL actually [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 your hardline deimos stance is good again [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] jvaler#0000 amazing, even [29-Jun-24 11:14 PM] Deleted User#0000 We are SO BACK Antaresbros. {Reactions} ๐Ÿฆพ (5) [29-Jun-24 11:15 PM] evany.#0000 wow welcome back [29-Jun-24 11:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256825368279515226/b2e-2074355589.png?ex=6814ef96&is=68139e16&hm=34c42e97360ef44ace6095a67d0adaa4d637abec3371521175b346d584e82247& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽข (2) [29-Jun-24 11:15 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256825398742876240/2024-06-29_21-15.png?ex=6814ef9d&is=68139e1d&hm=9360f4c3d13ea3ec68c9af7b50b98baa53bf5e54bcd4cda4f189afc57c0f56a4& [29-Jun-24 11:16 PM] jcheung#0000 which spike are you at now [29-Jun-24 11:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Mania. [29-Jun-24 11:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 Give it an hour. [29-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [29-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, that chart is real time [29-Jun-24 11:17 PM] jcheung#0000 my b [29-Jun-24 11:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah, it's a forcast. [29-Jun-24 11:18 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 AL is no longer bottom of the barrel, it's a few steps higher up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256826233476485180/Beginner-062024.png?ex=6814f064&is=68139ee4&hm=1ca520b574f47aaf4c69b458ff756687cefdb924f0558d3edbbf2aed56e195e3& [29-Jun-24 11:19 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PG went down in rankings because we dropped 4 full time PG bases, so that's nice [29-Jun-24 11:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hehe [29-Jun-24 11:19 PM] avalock#0000 actively destroying ranks (for fun and profit) [29-Jun-24 11:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 AL was never at the bottom of the barrel.. it made up the supports of the barrel holding the bottom. {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-Jun-24 11:21 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 FF isn't on the graph, suprisingly. Must have failed a check for weekly trade [29-Jun-24 11:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But even after going from 1000 down to 700, C is still #1 [29-Jun-24 11:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 If you haven't picked yet, carbon farmer looks pretty good at the moment [29-Jun-24 11:24 PM] evany.#0000 actually a really good suggestion [29-Jun-24 11:24 PM] evany.#0000 carbon is great [29-Jun-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 and if you have taken the plunge and regret your decision, you can COLIQ [29-Jun-24 11:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also nearly everything we seem to do is reliant on carbon and we would welcome it being cheaper [29-Jun-24 11:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Or provided in-corp [29-Jun-24 11:27 PM] tanda#0000 especially since I kinda just had to limit my supply for sale [29-Jun-24 11:29 PM] jcheung#0000 trying to go carbon neutral by making more? [29-Jun-24 11:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It's clean carbon if it's from Harmonia's farms [29-Jun-24 11:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This fact was approved by true Antares Patriots [29-Jun-24 11:31 PM] Deleted User#0000 I swear the moment this game gets environmental mandates is the day I nuke promitor. [29-Jun-24 11:32 PM] tanda#0000 we'll just have designated ash planets [29-Jun-24 11:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Come to thassala [29-Jun-24 11:33 PM] jvaler#0000 Keep Deimos Green! [29-Jun-24 11:33 PM] jvaler#0000 think of the children [29-Jun-24 11:34 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'll tell you now those children live in the mines and they are NOT green. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Jun-24 11:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They could be green with Radium [29-Jun-24 11:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿซข [29-Jun-24 11:38 PM] evany.#0000 honestly as someone that has a lot of kids running around the house. they love minecraft so much - the children desire the mines i see no problem with giving it to them [29-Jun-24 11:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 May I introduce you to Deep Rock Galactic? [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Get them in the mines and earning their pay early. [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] jcheung#0000 drg is fun [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Glorious game [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 I've only played solo haz4/5 scout but I enjoyed my time with it. [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] evany.#0000 i actually dont have it.. the 8 year old though really wants it. [29-Jun-24 11:39 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm too scared to play solo drg ;_; [29-Jun-24 11:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Bosco best dwarf. [29-Jun-24 11:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Play with us ๐Ÿค“ [29-Jun-24 11:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256831739297267755/548430_screenshots_20240614024904_1.jpg?ex=6814f585&is=6813a405&hm=9a0032bac97cf75eaba0f44631cd4e5da53b3266c1d18a3e983fda4e73c1dbdc& [29-Jun-24 11:41 PM] jvaler#0000 i could... if my laptop's internet card decides to cooperate. i have bad rubberbanding issues for some reason and my house doesn't have ethernet :( [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] tanda#0000 sounds like what happened between me and PoE [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd be down to play some DRG with people at some point. [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Granted I've never played with others on DRG so you'd have to bear with me, but. [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok Iโ€™ll come install Ethernet [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] evany.#0000 i've never played it at all so youd be better off [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Do you have steam? [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] evany.#0000 you do service calls? where you at [29-Jun-24 11:42 PM] tanda#0000 I did love my ziplines in that game [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://steamcommunity.com/id/owoforme/ {Embed} https://steamcommunity.com/id/owoforme/ Steam Community :: astra After all this is who we are, Made of dirt and fed by stars, In a blink of an eye weโ€™ll be undermined. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3p4r-v4JmR1_K-PqFYHG_-9oxsmN8i4zeCwpkx9xtRY/https/avatars.akamai.steamstatic.com/4483d5cffc5d9b20ca4bfc16ef251628111a5e50_full.jpg [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Open invitation. [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In the ether [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] evany.#0000 https://steamcommunity.com/id/namie_amuro/ {Embed} https://steamcommunity.com/id/namie_amuro/ Steam Community :: Evan No information given. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OnLY3DC5qTaIW-WCJAM8q57REcDvJuCyRx4BZJkgAUw/https/avatars.akamai.steamstatic.com/f9faeae8bef2fe93ae244bb65e32f590e147e554_full.jpg [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] avalock#0000 yeah? [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 NOT FOR WHATEVER YOU ARE THINKING. [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] avalock#0000 WHAT AM I THINKING?! [29-Jun-24 11:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 I DON'T KNOW. [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] avalock#0000 do I scare you [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” damn [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] avalock#0000 I'm just a silly lil cat [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] avalock#0000 a goofy lil kitten [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :nyaNana: [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 I don't know what you guys did to Ava but we need to go back. [29-Jun-24 11:44 PM] evany.#0000 well i could use some help running some smf in northern california in october. let me know what your rates are ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 nah this is just I've been up for too long and personality B is being used for group D [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] tanda#0000 I think Ava just got comfortable around us [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 also prob that [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] evany.#0000 gross [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's good, happy to hear that. [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] evany.#0000 how do we roll him back [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 Damn ๐Ÿ˜” [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 On second thought, Ava, keep going, as long as we don't upset Jvaler. [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] evany.#0000 apt-get unupgrade [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 I won't upset jvaler [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 I promise [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] avalock#0000 Jvaler is v good [29-Jun-24 11:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 Good because not even God can save you then. [29-Jun-24 11:46 PM] avalock#0000 man it's good this is a group where I don't "just-press-enter" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [29-Jun-24 11:46 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone else want a steam friend? I am very lonely. [29-Jun-24 11:47 PM] tanda#0000 I hit a lot of other keys before I hit enter [29-Jun-24 11:47 PM] tanda#0000 so I'm not sure what you mean [29-Jun-24 11:47 PM] avalock#0000 https://steamcommunity.com/id/WetGrills/ here @Deleted User {Embed} https://steamcommunity.com/id/WetGrills/ Steam Community :: WetGrills Hey there you looking at my profile. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/J_IJa9E04He_E_oT5Alu1n-GEIg_Dl2-Hiy0ZWRTcTo/https/avatars.akamai.steamstatic.com/3c5f4edd392ccd089d88400ccebc495f1092d79f_full.jpg [29-Jun-24 11:47 PM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/james-jose-mourinho-i-prefer-not-to-speak-gif-20644287 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/james-jose-mourinho-i-prefer-not-to-speak-gif-20644287 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8lKudi1L7AHzFdNTslNZu9RN9ER8M_U0IJZ85C_aNK0/https/media.tenor.com/iRIJyFs8HrEAAAAe/james-jose-mourinho-i-prefer-not-to-speak.png [29-Jun-24 11:47 PM] Deleted User#0000 Check your steam gifts or whatever that section is, I don't know. [29-Jun-24 11:48 PM] evany.#0000 oh god. thanks dude i didn't see it. steam doesn't show you until you reboot now, at least for me [29-Jun-24 11:48 PM] tanda#0000 alright, so I'm reinstalling DRG? [29-Jun-24 11:48 PM] tanda#0000 we gonna dorf it up? [29-Jun-24 11:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Rock and stone. [29-Jun-24 11:49 PM] tanda#0000 I'll make sure to bring the barrel [29-Jun-24 11:49 PM] evany.#0000 @jvaler knock knock sounds like we need a voice channel {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Jun-24 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ใˆใจใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ [29-Jun-24 11:49 PM] avalock#0000 oh god my voice is awful [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 why? bc you are cat? [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” because I don't voice train [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] evany.#0000 ใชใ‚“ใงใ‚‚ใชใ„๏ผ [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 I feel that. [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] avalock#0000 yeah? [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yep. [29-Jun-24 11:50 PM] avalock#0000 https://tenor.com/view/virtual-hugs-virtual-hug-gif-27180713 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/virtual-hugs-virtual-hug-gif-27180713 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wqu06b3KxoDanHrJBCfSTLmXOAkOR6IXipbQdiP_ErY/https/media.tenor.com/OWvGBHbJdRkAAAAe/virtual-hugs-virtual-hug.png [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] avalock#0000 heat from fire, fire from heat friend [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 wait... why is a canadian going to NorCal? [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] evany.#0000 ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์š”์ฆ˜ ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•ด์š” ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•œ๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—์š” [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah nop [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] evany.#0000 i immigrated to america two and a half years ago [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ ใ‘ใ ใ‚‚ใ‚“ [29-Jun-24 11:51 PM] evany.#0000 jose told me th ere was good jobs to take down here [29-Jun-24 11:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 Jvaler has yet to add me on steam. I am considering this an act of war. [29-Jun-24 11:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 naruhodo [29-Jun-24 11:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well Jose was right [29-Jun-24 11:52 PM] evany.#0000 but i'm glad you recognized the name! i was big into japanese music in the turn of the century [29-Jun-24 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 hehe weeb [29-Jun-24 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 jk [29-Jun-24 11:53 PM] evany.#0000 hideto matsumoto, yuki ito and namie some utada, hamasaki too! [29-Jun-24 11:53 PM] evany.#0000 i never really got into anime [29-Jun-24 11:53 PM] evany.#0000 i've seen some but ehhh [29-Jun-24 11:54 PM] evany.#0000 mostly mainstream, akira, venus wars, bubble gum crisis [29-Jun-24 11:56 PM] jvaler#0000 gotcha [29-Jun-24 11:56 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm busy taking selfies of the cute outfit i recently bought >:( [29-Jun-24 11:57 PM] jvaler#0000 avacyn could do no wrong [29-Jun-24 11:57 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ’œ [29-Jun-24 11:57 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/heybbibbi-bbibbi-bibi-luna-streamer-gif-24983349 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/heybbibbi-bbibbi-bibi-luna-streamer-gif-24983349 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/adhCKK2UYIl3gsDonQzUmFlQXuqQME8zcOCgOAgC6ZQ/https/media.tenor.com/PsDbO_qFHT8AAAAe/heybbibbi-bbibbi.png [29-Jun-24 11:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not even going to inquire. [29-Jun-24 11:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't see a notification? [29-Jun-24 11:59 PM] jvaler#0000 there found u [29-Jun-24 11:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 Honestly didn't know you had steam or had forgotten, I sent one for you. [30-Jun-24 12:01 AM] Deleted User#0000 Done, thank you Ma'am. [30-Jun-24 12:02 AM] jvaler#0000 lol [30-Jun-24 12:02 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bFVU5.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/please-tell-me-more-eric-cartman-south-park-s9e7-erection-day-gif-22348081 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/46l_lpVjQstp2-9oa7NzkNq13xRlOVLm9_nqDPZ98ic/https/media.tenor.com/OqdRDmygIREAAAAe/please-tell-me-more-eric-cartman.png [30-Jun-24 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @avalock {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256838484015185991/Screenshot_2024-06-29_230711.png?ex=6814fbcd&is=6813aa4d&hm=53ec1ea5cf0031fbd2ce44b9efa3e135deaf8575d591697c19d611edba3b54d2& [30-Jun-24 12:07 AM] avalock#0000 oooo pretty [30-Jun-24 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1256838890745102407/Screenshot_2024-06-29_230853.png?ex=6814fc2e&is=6813aaae&hm=26c6ca4d94b98353aed2ad26df7dc4fc5226e98df27ea594f7f4058b369b276b& [30-Jun-24 08:55 PM] nyanism#0000 We can tell how old evan is from these list [30-Jun-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How long heโ€™s been on steam should be a good indicator as well. (No offense Evan) {Reactions} dog1 [30-Jun-24 09:08 PM] evany.#0000 Counterstrike source came out in 2003 thatโ€™s when I signed up [30-Jun-24 09:09 PM] evany.#0000 The funny thing is steam sucked so badly back then [30-Jun-24 09:10 PM] evany.#0000 Server list constantly forgot your favorites, friends list never worked you couldnโ€™t buy anything only valve products had to go to brick and mortar buy the empty box with a code in it then go home and activate it in valve and take four days to download it [30-Jun-24 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Letโ€™s see, in 2003 I was 5 [30-Jun-24 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was playing games on the PS2 and GameCube [30-Jun-24 09:12 PM] evany.#0000 I finished high school in 96 so we are basically the same age [30-Jun-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah basicallly [30-Jun-24 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i mean I fisinshed High School in like 17 [30-Jun-24 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 same thing basically [30-Jun-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 hey, i'm only a little older than hal [30-Jun-24 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm so old [30-Jun-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/cNGMua9DhXQ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-cheers-salute-shots-drinking-gif-2213666948687721228 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XBE8XNMNwedYTMK8I9Vu7MEOMJo5pPLfcerb--RyXXY/https/media.tenor.com/HriGXH-N8wwAAAAe/betty-white-cheers.png [30-Jun-24 09:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 at least I'm not like my classmates (and have 3 kids) [30-Jun-24 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i have none [30-Jun-24 09:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i have none too [30-Jun-24 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/paPs.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-stitch-forever-alone-alone-happy-gif-3577480 forever alone https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qhLMUA3Wfu2MAEKw3bQoC-XrvIwchwu3gwcjAmQDRko/https/media.tenor.com/3Stnv80vg8cAAAAe/lilo-and-stitch-stitch.png [30-Jun-24 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 (idk about you, but that applies to me) [30-Jun-24 09:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm married ๐Ÿซข [30-Jun-24 09:27 PM] avalock#0000 i was born april 1st 1999 :3 [30-Jun-24 09:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 โ€˜99 gang ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jun-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 yeeeee [30-Jun-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 glad to be 99 gang [30-Jun-24 09:31 PM] avalock#0000 i feel like april 1st really just fits me for a birthday ๐Ÿคฃ [30-Jun-24 09:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't know if i believe you ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jun-24 09:38 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m being honest ;-; [30-Jun-24 09:42 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/t9TPAFMpNCLgfDR-WyejyJKMw5D3tx9-njI7zCrfuic/https/media.tenor.com/sBkmcTkf_RcAAAAe/so-old.png [30-Jun-24 09:52 PM] jvaler#0000 born 05 [30-Jun-24 09:53 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/matt-damon-saving-private-ryan-reverse-old-to-young-deaged-gif-13904041 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/matt-damon-saving-private-ryan-reverse-old-to-young-deaged-gif-13904041 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9DpCqU1eJljfaUyKMUnnU50QJlMUe4qnJDEdNR4gsmM/https/media.tenor.com/f0wOnKBAggoAAAAe/matt-damon-saving-private-ryan.png [30-Jun-24 09:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Your the same age as my brother [30-Jun-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 I was born in '87 [30-Jun-24 09:54 PM] jvaler#0000 wtf [30-Jun-24 09:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Same age as my uncle [30-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm adding an elder home channel to the server [30-Jun-24 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 y'all a bunch of young'uns, I'm not even 40 yet [30-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait yeah [30-Jun-24 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess it just sounds older cause of the 8 {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [30-Jun-24 09:56 PM] jvaler#0000 i see 8 and think 2020-1980=40 [30-Jun-24 09:56 PM] evany.#0000 tbh i'm surprised so many young folks are playing [30-Jun-24 09:56 PM] jcheung#0000 jvaler was ready to send you to the old folks home ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 in my EVE community i *AM* the baby [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 no joke [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 communities like this tend to skew older, or so I thought [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How else am I going to make money [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] evany.#0000 one of my buddies had his 72nd birthday the other day [30-Jun-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 back when I played EVE a decade ago, one of my corp mates was 75 and retired [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 yknow... i should actually introduce him to prun [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 he'd probably love it. [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] jvaler#0000 that's sounds like the only way i can picture someone with enough free time to play that [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 yes and no [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 I played the crap out of that during my deployment [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 it really depends on what you do in EVE [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 got one day off and I spent all of that 36 hours awake playing EVE {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 you can play it pretty casually and you can play it pretty no life [30-Jun-24 09:58 PM] evany.#0000 you have to be really careful which path you set yourself down on [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] evany.#0000 there was a time where the casuals couldnt survive [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ which service? [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 USAF [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 hey [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] jcheung#0000 2a952g [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] evany.#0000 but things like skill queues and such came in like 2009 and more offline friendly play in 2012 [30-Jun-24 09:59 PM] evany.#0000 means nowadays most playstyles are pretty open-ended [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I can't even remember my AFSC number anymore. I did computer programming [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 the 70 year old i mentioned above doesn't even undock, he plays EVE exactly how we play prun {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 its the same game to him [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 PI was a great update, so was wormholes [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 set up shipping contracts play market games, manufacture sell and build [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I loved the early wormhole frontier [30-Jun-24 10:00 PM] evany.#0000 same! i don't touch WH's nowadays though [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 based? the ships in eve look so cool though :( [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] evany.#0000 his computer can't run it very well [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 I always loved the Maelstrom [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] jvaler#0000 aw [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] evany.#0000 something like prun might get his heart rate up too much [30-Jun-24 10:01 PM] evany.#0000 he'd be so excited. sigh ill have to call him next weekend [30-Jun-24 10:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I briefly played EVE for 300 hours and I don't even know where the hours came from [30-Jun-24 10:02 PM] evany.#0000 they took away your ability to see your hours [30-Jun-24 10:03 PM] evany.#0000 last i looked my pvp alt account had 32,000 hours [30-Jun-24 10:03 PM] tanda#0000 "briefly" yes, that sounds about right for a brief play of EVE [30-Jun-24 10:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I spent most my time doing exploration in wormholes and a nullsec area I found close by that was mostly barren of players [30-Jun-24 10:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 wdym, in client ? [30-Jun-24 10:04 PM] tanda#0000 back in my day, we didn't launch all these MMOs through steam [30-Jun-24 10:04 PM] evany.#0000 people use to get access to their ingame hours by either the logging client (eve online troubleshooter) or the API, the API was replaced by a new system unlovingly dubbed "ESI" and the eve troubleshooter was removed [30-Jun-24 10:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wanted to play mostly to get into manufacturing but gave up [30-Jun-24 10:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Then I found this game :) [30-Jun-24 10:06 PM] evany.#0000 its hard to get into manufacturing as a sole practice in EVE [30-Jun-24 10:07 PM] evany.#0000 a lot of the market is _bad_ [30-Jun-24 10:07 PM] evany.#0000 theres a plethora of players that turn 100mil of minerals into a 90mil ship [30-Jun-24 10:07 PM] evany.#0000 so trying to be a straight indy bro is hard [30-Jun-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 I used to make T2 drones back in the day. I adored it [30-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 yeah there is still room in niches like that [30-Jun-24 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 I sold a lot of them too, but T2 drones was my niche [30-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 i make structures today [30-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 but they largely aren't profitable either [30-Jun-24 10:08 PM] evany.#0000 the only way to make a profit now is to let players fill your buy orders where you pay 30mil for a 100mil thing [30-Jun-24 10:09 PM] evany.#0000 then i can turn 70 of those things i underpaid for into a structure [30-Jun-24 10:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Where's the money then ? [30-Jun-24 10:09 PM] evany.#0000 a lot of manufacturing is kind of 'broken' [30-Jun-24 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 the only way to make a buck is to let others make it for you [30-Jun-24 10:09 PM] tanda#0000 the profit starts when they undervalue their own labor [30-Jun-24 10:10 PM] evany.#0000 its insanely profitable because i sell a 1billion dollar structure and only paid 350mil for the inputs [30-Jun-24 10:10 PM] evany.#0000 if you make the inputs from raw minerals etc it would cost you 1.1 billion [30-Jun-24 10:10 PM] evany.#0000 but someone kills someone else that happened to be carrying one of the inputs and he puts it up on the market and he just sells it because he has no idea the value [30-Jun-24 10:11 PM] evany.#0000 only reason its profitable is because i'm not paying "market rate" [30-Jun-24 10:11 PM] jvaler#0000 yay blood money [30-Jun-24 10:12 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 This sounds like an Apple store operating a pawn shop for phone parts to use for making iPhones [30-Jun-24 10:12 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Also unless inflation went wild while I wasn't looking, that's a bit of money to start [30-Jun-24 10:13 PM] evany.#0000 the currency in eve is fucked [30-Jun-24 10:13 PM] evany.#0000 i broke 2 trillion last year [30-Jun-24 10:14 PM] evany.#0000 judging from xit fin charts i've seen people post [30-Jun-24 10:14 PM] evany.#0000 its probably fair to s ay 2 trillion in eve is about 2billion in prun [30-Jun-24 10:14 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://tenor.com/view/shocked-eyes-out-amazed-gif-14044962 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shocked-eyes-out-amazed-gif-14044962 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1wpuSJVqHPOUFLexQ0XWiUNUICXSJDITn2fyFjzB02M/https/media.tenor.com/DojT22OC9xAAAAAe/shocked-eyes-out.png [30-Jun-24 10:16 PM] jvaler#0000 does anyone even have 2 billion in PrUn? [30-Jun-24 10:16 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 That's a lot of Asteros [30-Jun-24 10:16 PM] evany.#0000 lmao [30-Jun-24 10:16 PM] evany.#0000 asteros is like 30mil nowadays [30-Jun-24 10:16 PM] evany.#0000 so yeah a couple [30-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~nvm yep~~ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1257173154036711434/image.png?ex=6814e1fd&is=6813907d&hm=8c99e2c05c7d18dc4adfe961bd5637f329322249575d94c08c5944d25764ca65& [30-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no [30-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 that's fake NA distorting it [30-Jun-24 10:17 PM] jvaler#0000 nvm*2 [30-Jun-24 10:20 PM] evany.#0000 well if prun sat around 200k mau like eve does, i promise it would have billionaires [30-Jun-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 billionaires is a thing that will happen inside of PRUNs model already [30-Jun-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 I'm already sharecropping for the millionaires on Malahat [30-Jun-24 10:22 PM] evany.#0000 i looked at a market i'm planning to play into the other day and noticed that a user comfortably had almost 30mil in buy orders up [30-Jun-24 10:22 PM] evany.#0000 might not be a billionaire but he's damn close [30-Jun-24 10:22 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PRUN might be slower to get there with the stance on automation [30-Jun-24 10:22 PM] evany.#0000 i didnt know there was a stance on automation [30-Jun-24 10:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You can't have a program run ships or sell stuff for you [30-Jun-24 10:23 PM] evany.#0000 thats the same then [30-Jun-24 10:23 PM] evany.#0000 i kind of just assumed that was the case [30-Jun-24 10:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Kinda thought EVE was more lax with that [30-Jun-24 10:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Or at least unenforced [30-Jun-24 10:24 PM] evany.#0000 there was a brief period from probably '09-'11 where it was kind of ignored [30-Jun-24 10:25 PM] evany.#0000 and even then the only reason they did shit about it is because people complained [30-Jun-24 10:25 PM] evany.#0000 the difference is alts.. the average eve player nowadays has 5.5 accounts or some shit according to CCP [30-Jun-24 10:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Average of 5.5 is wild [30-Jun-24 10:26 PM] evany.#0000 obviously theres plenty of people with 1-2.. but that means theres just as many with 10+ [30-Jun-24 10:26 PM] evany.#0000 there was a year or two when i made super carriers and had 30 accounts [30-Jun-24 10:26 PM] evany.#0000 im far more casual nowadays too [30-Jun-24 10:28 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I didn't expect it to be that much. Does that affect player count numbers or did the devs figure that out ? [30-Jun-24 10:28 PM] evany.#0000 naw thats player count [30-Jun-24 10:29 PM] evany.#0000 despite the fact tranquility says theres 30k people logged in, in reality theres probably less than 10k [30-Jun-24 10:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Reminds me of recent proof about how botted TF2's (Team Fortress, not Titanfall) player numbers are [30-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 theres still some bots [30-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 but honestly not many [30-Jun-24 10:31 PM] evany.#0000 ironically the 'noob friendly pvp' is probably the most botted activity [01-Jul-24 08:47 AM] avalock#0000 @jvaler btw next time you can use #internal-offers for LST :3 [01-Jul-24 08:48 AM] avalock#0000 whoops wrong channel [01-Jul-24 09:06 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง [03-Jul-24 07:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok i've got a nascent base up and running. now at 3 bases ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Jul-24 07:13 AM] avalock#0000 gratz [03-Jul-24 07:14 AM] antisyntax#0000 thnx [03-Jul-24 07:37 AM] tanda#0000 Love it! [03-Jul-24 01:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 NOICE [05-Jul-24 09:16 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Hey all. I am looking to maybe create a program... less a project. A loose organization that coordinates and produces Governor/planet upkeep material in Antares. The primary goal is to have people create and provide materials to the CX, and direct contract when necessary, that planets and governors often use. Materials include -OFF (So need to source PG, EPO, CL, H, C, etc etc) -DW (PG and H2O) -SUN (C and OVE) -TUB (GL) -SOI -HD -POW Specifically interested if anyone wants to take on a manufacturing bases, a chemistry base or 2, a EXT base, an electronics base, metallurgy, etc like that that would deal in these sorts of things [05-Jul-24 09:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 They dont have to be dedicated bases, but some portion of it to focus on making these products to supply market/governing folks [05-Jul-24 09:20 PM] avalock#0000 willing to do Extraction [05-Jul-24 09:21 PM] riseoffilth#0000 HAL, some MGS, maybe water if someone wants to commit to making DW? but i feel like existing market/projects makes that unnecessary [05-Jul-24 09:21 PM] riseoffilth#0000 if making SOI, CLI and BRM are big ones [05-Jul-24 09:24 PM] tanda#0000 I have plans to expand to the SE-110 system, so I could commit to doing FP's in there [05-Jul-24 09:24 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 It was on the list of things to do (https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246540231264567318/1254284905488318525) so I approve. Have a more detailed list of how much of each governing good you plan on making ? [05-Jul-24 09:25 PM] tanda#0000 that is if the extraction point that you have in mind is ISA [05-Jul-24 09:27 PM] helminsted#0000 i'll make DW and the other associated products that can be made with the facilities, sounds like a plan =] [05-Jul-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 How would YK-266C be for BRM [05-Jul-24 09:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Not at this point. Some of these items are completely not related to each other, which is why I was thinking of this in "loose" organizational sense. Maybe smaller groups within the whole that focus on 1 output. Not even with dedicated bases, just dedicating enough production [05-Jul-24 09:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 2-3 people working together on one item [05-Jul-24 09:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 or 1 person does it all [05-Jul-24 09:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 but they pick a thing and they kick its ass [05-Jul-24 09:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Sounds good. I find DW on the list a bit weird. Hard to call it a scarce good [05-Jul-24 09:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You think the price should be lower ? [05-Jul-24 09:31 PM] helminsted#0000 lol i'd love to supplement the market with a DW to rival Aquafina [05-Jul-24 09:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yeah im regretting it [05-Jul-24 09:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 it felt odd, but i threw it up there as a input [05-Jul-24 09:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 but you are right, it shouldnt be [05-Jul-24 09:37 PM] helminsted#0000 ah ok, so if not DW, maybe just make fuel? i am specialized in that [05-Jul-24 09:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i mean [05-Jul-24 09:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 SF is always needed [05-Jul-24 09:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ANT prices are at MM [05-Jul-24 09:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Outside the projects, there's a bunch of other things you can make. Fuel making **IN** ANT is doable but there's other things that are easier, like construction of fabs and smelting [05-Jul-24 09:40 PM] Deleted User#0000 Make vita essence. [05-Jul-24 09:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Kind of a week old graph but most likely still relevant. Most profitable simple goods by profit/day/area {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1258976039456084058/Beginner-062024.png?ex=6814d98e&is=6813880e&hm=569509e1a095e73ef6ee5bd19e42321a80558452a1e22e6a2ec02c09fa6812b1& [05-Jul-24 09:41 PM] helminsted#0000 oooo!~ sure i could do that =] [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Bfabs are down because AL recently spiked with C, but lfabs. rfabs, and INS are very good [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Do not actually make vita essence. [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] riseoffilth#0000 fight me [05-Jul-24 09:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 Actually you know what? Do it. Pump vita essence. [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pump-oil-gif-13386159 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pump-oil-gif-13386159 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YSsQsNbFEUqU5vbS40wbq13-Eo_a-Arou0HMHmzLYLg/https/media.tenor.com/XZHAkxksD0QAAAAe/pump-oil.png [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vita Essence to the moon, as they say. [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Fact falsified by true Insitor agents [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] helminsted#0000 personally i just want to contribute in a meaningful way and earn the grants to make it happen =] [05-Jul-24 09:43 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vita essence is probably not the move then. [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] riseoffilth#0000 FIGHT ME [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] riseoffilth#0000 how dare he say that [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] riseoffilth#0000 someone stop him [05-Jul-24 09:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'd try prunplanner and just look at a bunch of recipes, outside of joining KEVIN [05-Jul-24 09:47 PM] jcheung#0000 what you say, tubs on deimos? ๐Ÿ‘€ [05-Jul-24 09:47 PM] helminsted#0000 ok... what about this planet, Antares II e (ZV-759e) ? it has all the mats for stl fuel production on site, and the supplies wouldn't be too bad to supply once a base was taken on right? [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-no-no-no-no-palpatine-lightsaber-gif-7521430 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-no-no-no-no-palpatine-lightsaber-gif-7521430 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lA_tbkVxZSvAKBB57rGNZHiHB6WphKMu4-ifrHjxHmA/https/media.tenor.com/VHj8JSheLn4AAAAe/star-wars-no.png [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 we are sending you far away [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 We are sending you to the WU-LAND [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 WUTANG [05-Jul-24 09:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wu-tang-dave-chappelle-wu-tanga-wu-tangb-gif-4961560 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wu-tang-dave-chappelle-wu-tanga-wu-tangb-gif-4961560 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lTQdytoXph_XRBKdHtOHF5UGRu77aS-o7Rq006f3diQ/https/media.tenor.com/lcYr3T3GdOAAAAAe/wu-tang.png [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 got it, tubs on deimos just to upset you [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/kb4U4bGtePQ.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-squidward-evil-laugh-insane-gif-8418922967621020016 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_TVj9PM8KhiPICgHEN8VECkkat7Py_Bc4EpBykJ6duQ/https/media.tenor.com/dNYF1WxtqXAAAAAe/spongebob-squarepants-squidward.png [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uf_w73KKuYK1ptkfNtb69iLxhobJOzJ6TWcmH7in0H4/https/media.tenor.com/f42sidbznLwAAAAe/triggered-ninjaturtle.png [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Time for software labs on Deimos. [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 give me his IP address [05-Jul-24 09:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 im gunnin for this kid [05-Jul-24 09:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 He's going to go far. [05-Jul-24 09:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 I forsee it. [05-Jul-24 09:50 PM] jcheung#0000 too* [05-Jul-24 09:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 ok... what about this planet, Antares II [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think we made Dvorak upset. [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 They made a threat specifically to avoid us. [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Too much trolling. [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] jcheung#0000 thread* [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 Me and you are going to have a potential falling out soon. [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] avalock#0000 poor Dvorak :c [05-Jul-24 09:51 PM] jcheung#0000 (sorry, i'll stop intentionally trying to stir the pot) [05-Jul-24 09:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 The first one you corrected wasn't even wrong! [05-Jul-24 09:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i know ๐Ÿ˜„ [05-Jul-24 09:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 ๐Ÿ˜พ [05-Jul-24 09:53 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I actually used the automatic "wanna start a thread" message ๐Ÿ™ [05-Jul-24 09:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfz0tDQZhqs {Embed} Comedy Central https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfz0tDQZhqs When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong - Vernon Franklin - Chappelleโ€™s Show An accomplished corporate employee finally snaps after his coworker asks him to give him โ€œsome skin.โ€ (Contains strong language.) About Chappelleโ€™s Show: Itโ€™s not just a show โ€“ itโ€™s a social phenomenon. Dave Chappelleโ€™s singular point of view is unleashed through a combination of stand-up bits and street-smart sketches. Hailed by critics and ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QtW2lbL7o2xbUJ5GfYEkQX5gSo23wDz8qRCZ1VmtGaw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/pfz0tDQZhqs/maxresdefault.jpg [05-Jul-24 09:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME? [05-Jul-24 09:54 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ARF ARF WU TANGGGG [05-Jul-24 09:54 PM] avalock#0000 oooo [05-Jul-24 09:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 LOL [05-Jul-24 09:58 PM] avalock#0000 @riseoffilth you gonna need BRM? [peepoSHY](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/802373413058117652.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=peepoSHY) {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/802373413058117652.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=peepoSHY https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/V7fsI8kbhyyyhb9jpviyGZ5qUGNfYCEZzmSeuiWjKsU/%3Fsize%3D48%26quality%3Dlossless%26name%3DpeepoSHY/https/cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/802373413058117652.gif [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 maybe [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 whats it to you [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] avalock#0000 well, I only do resource extraction [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] avalock#0000 and I would like to be apart of the project [05-Jul-24 10:00 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿฅบ [05-Jul-24 10:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 @helminsted Gotta disappear but I can do your grant for you momentarily. [05-Jul-24 10:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 I still have some cash left over. [05-Jul-24 10:20 PM] helminsted#0000 thank you so much =] [05-Jul-24 11:26 PM] puncher23#0000 Nice Helm way to get a jump start ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-Jul-24 05:28 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm producing 200 OFF per day, do you need it all? [06-Jul-24 09:45 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Surely not, but that sounds like a good start! [06-Jul-24 09:47 AM] razenpok#0000 Cool, feel free to send me conts for it; I'm currently trying to push down prices on ANT and HRT [06-Jul-24 09:47 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Whatโ€™s your price? And Iโ€™m definitely interested in bulk quantity. [06-Jul-24 09:50 AM] razenpok#0000 Ehh, 100/u? [06-Jul-24 09:51 AM] razenpok#0000 I can sell for cheaper later, but I'm still very early in the game and need to pay my debts off [06-Jul-24 09:51 AM] razenpok#0000 (if you can buy for 110/u, that would be awesome) [06-Jul-24 09:55 AM] razenpok#0000 And what are your usual bulk sizes? [06-Jul-24 09:55 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Multiple Ks {Reactions} Businesscat (2) [06-Jul-24 09:55 AM] razenpok#0000 Ok, I'll keep the whole stock for you lol [06-Jul-24 09:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Do you need it at ANT only? I have some at HRT as well [06-Jul-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 Do you have a good idea as to what scale all of these goods need to be produced at? [06-Jul-24 12:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Individual items? Not too large a scale. But certainly sizeable. It depends on the item and its consumption [06-Jul-24 12:37 PM] jcheung#0000 What you say? Spreadsheet to track weekly planet upkeep? [06-Jul-24 12:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Oh i dont think anything that official and paperwork heavy [06-Jul-24 12:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I think a better goal is to just create prices and relationships with a goal of a set production output/day [06-Jul-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 more specifically, what would you be looking for as far as like POW? That seems relatively easy to turn out in significant quantities, with one base doing ~88 POW a day, but that's also not insanely profitable, as it looks like the cost of LI are bringing costs up for the recipe [06-Jul-24 01:27 PM] riseoffilth#0000 tbf, my goal here isnt to create a insane profitability venture. Its to look at moderate profitability, at reasonable rates, for whatever is needed. I'm going through and looking at numbers now and making sheets [06-Jul-24 01:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 The idea here is to help the region as a whole. You can list any price on market. I'm more directly looking to merely have an offering that governors (and lord knows I dont want "governors" to be me forever) to have a market to make buy things at not crazy manipulated prices. Though if we can make it competetive and still darn profitable on market, that is a good thing too [06-Jul-24 01:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Thats why i dont think this needs to be a huge venture [06-Jul-24 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 fair enough [06-Jul-24 01:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 at the end of the day tho, most these bases will be occpuied by others, i just want to sponsor it ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ people can do whatever, but I hope they join me in wanting to create better supply for our region to enable anyone to contribute to governing by engaging with these suppliers. [06-Jul-24 02:20 PM] jcheung#0000 Heh. Look at that, paperwork! [06-Jul-24 02:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I meant on a "weekly tracking" front [06-Jul-24 02:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Its fine to be orgnized during the planning process [06-Jul-24 02:26 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 I am in midst of a carbon base. Have filled one permit with farms and carbon [06-Jul-24 02:27 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Not super hight output but 60-100 a week if i'm not mistaken [06-Jul-24 02:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Where do you produce? [06-Jul-24 02:29 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 Phobos [06-Jul-24 02:34 PM] flor2081#0000 oh no [06-Jul-24 02:34 PM] flor2081#0000 also, vote for rise, for the drama (: [06-Jul-24 02:35 PM] flor2081#0000 oh damn.. i thought it was close but nvm, rise is owning that [06-Jul-24 02:35 PM] ratgorwesbar#0000 After what i see i have already chrushed the opponents [06-Jul-24 03:24 PM] Deleted User#0000 This is a really good idea for anyone interested in making a difference to Antares. ^^ [06-Jul-24 03:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Especially since you'd be helping out a very valuable member of the Antares community as well, so bonuses all around. [06-Jul-24 03:35 PM] akyantor#0000 For what it's worth, I've recently started to make both TUB and OFF. I'm using a little myself, with most is either being sold to governors direct, or if no takers, being sold into the CX. Good initiative though, some of those supplies are a little thin to get ahold of via the CX, so more supply will make it easier to governer and drive the prices down to gov planets. [06-Jul-24 03:53 PM] jcheung#0000 If i can get epo i would be happy to make some off on hep [06-Jul-24 04:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Thats awesome! and def what I want to move towards at a larger scale. I think we can all do a service to the region, and make some money, by building up these industries rather than relying on governors to always do it alone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Jul-24 11:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Governing Materials Association? Program? Fuck knows End Products: OFF,PFE,HOG,UTS,GL,TUB,HD **OFF @ 70/u: (Buy C, H, O, MGS, HAL)** Electronica/Elon 17x CHP making CL 47.5k/day profit Electronica/Elon 24x POLs 65k/day profit Hephaestus 20x BMPs ~50% on OFF, 5% on MG, 45% on whatever, 40k profit on half a base **PFE @450/u: (Sell excess REA/AMM)** KI-840c 1: 14x EXTs mining BRM 41.5k day/profit KI-840c 2: 17x CHP making REA/PFE 46k/day profit QJ-382G: 14x EXTs mining AMM 75k/day profit **UTS@3750/u** Vulcan 4x EXT, 9x SME, 4x FS, 25k/day profit (make a lot more if you can save on C prices) **GL@200, TUB@150?, make NG and RG for other people** WU-070a: 5x GF, 12x SME, 2x STO 90k+profit (use SME for whatever, SI, AL, for electronic bases?) **HD@2500, HOG@4000 (literally producible profitably below every buy order in the game)** -Optional EXT base on Eos for GAL. Big expansion and support to local SF producers. 200/u+, 65k/day ~~-Eos 6xCLR/4xEDM/3xECA - Makes LDI, HOG, POW 92k/day base~~ -Astraeus 5x MAC, 11x PFF, Makes DCS (and some other shit to fill 10% spare production) and HD 51k/day base [06-Jul-24 11:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 **I'm willing to fund the construction as a loan, any of these bases.** Discuss and let me know who is interested. My personal priority is the PFE and HOG projects. [07-Jul-24 12:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 @rogue48. If you are interest in infrastructure management, see above [07-Jul-24 12:31 AM] rogue48.#0000 Interesting, I will into what I can assist. brb @riseoffilth [07-Jul-24 02:01 AM] razenpok#0000 OFF@70 ๐Ÿ’€ [07-Jul-24 02:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/believe-motivation-ted-lasso-jason-sudeikis-trendizisst-gif-3529704266728728998 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/believe-motivation-ted-lasso-jason-sudeikis-trendizisst-gif-3529704266728728998 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jaJzbE47VPq_Y8TUCEn7AnnSmY-KUhBaI3hyjDKnd0A/https/media.tenor.com/MPwHVFSL6aYAAAAe/believe-motivation.png [07-Jul-24 02:01 AM] razenpok#0000 According to prunplanner, to just break even with material and workforce expenses it should be 86/u [07-Jul-24 02:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s the single most profitable project [07-Jul-24 02:02 AM] razenpok#0000 That's 0 profitability [07-Jul-24 02:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Iโ€™m feel confident itโ€™s making some bold assumptions on the cost of inputs, which the point of the project is to drop vertically integrated costs to deliver a cheaper final product, but all while making like 150k between 3 bases per day [07-Jul-24 02:03 AM] razenpok#0000 If you vertically integrate, then you are just erasing profit from previous steps {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [07-Jul-24 02:04 AM] riseoffilth#0000 If you are focused on profit, just run 10 CHP bases refining CL/NA, itโ€™s most profit [07-Jul-24 02:05 AM] riseoffilth#0000 The point is to make a final product, not fight with your own supplier against the CX [07-Jul-24 02:05 AM] razenpok#0000 I will currently focus on profits given my company age, just don't over-advertise your program to newer players please [07-Jul-24 02:05 AM] razenpok#0000 Sounds like a trap for slower company growth [07-Jul-24 02:06 AM] razenpok#0000 While yes, more established players are welcome to do whatever is best for the region [07-Jul-24 02:06 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Considering Iโ€™m loaning people the materials for a free base, it seems like an opportunity to make money immediately that they wouldnโ€™t have made. Thatโ€™s the definition of growth [07-Jul-24 02:07 AM] razenpok#0000 You are _loaning_ money. If we are talking reduced profits (my point this whole topic), they will repay this loan very ineffectively [07-Jul-24 02:08 AM] riseoffilth#0000 And even then, what I posted above are suggested prices. Discussions can happen to find a suitable middle ground to address pricing concerns [07-Jul-24 02:09 AM] razenpok#0000 Unless you loan it for an indefinite amount of time, then there's another issue: it will take away some of the logistics capacity from them (which is not very great with 500/500) [07-Jul-24 02:09 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm concerned specifically about newer players rn [07-Jul-24 02:10 AM] riseoffilth#0000 If there is a standard โ€œloaned bases must make enough profit to be paid back within x daysโ€ do let me know [07-Jul-24 02:10 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s a good thing they know someone who makes ship upgrades and hands them out like candy [07-Jul-24 02:11 AM] razenpok#0000 Ship price is always very high for new players [07-Jul-24 02:11 AM] razenpok#0000 I remember being stressed over 15k losses at one point [07-Jul-24 02:12 AM] razenpok#0000 I mean, I would lose interest in the game if I needed to work to pay off my loan for 30 days straight and not do anything else in the game [07-Jul-24 02:18 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Youโ€™re making significant assumptionsโ€ฆ and Iโ€™m not sure why. 1. Every loan I make is basically indefinite. I donโ€™t do contract loans, I donโ€™t set hard time frames. I set no time frames. 2. I like helping new players, and giving them bases for free with a 1 in 3 chance they pay back, to me, is worth it for the outcome of helping them, and creating a production line for things I and others will use. 3. Iโ€™ve done this for years, and itโ€™s how the guy that literally made this server got his first bases. And the person who runs it now also got some of their first bases from me. 4. Any logistics problem is trivial. I give out ships too [07-Jul-24 02:19 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s nice when people pay me back. But honestly? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [07-Jul-24 02:19 AM] razenpok#0000 Oh, okay, if you are giving indefinite loans then ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ indeed [07-Jul-24 02:20 AM] razenpok#0000 It's more like a grant then? [07-Jul-24 02:20 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Money is a super power. It lets you do whatever the fuck you want. And right now, I wanna see if I can get some folks to help me take over the Governor upkeep market ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} Businesscat kek_hehe [07-Jul-24 02:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 If that the fun word of the day, then sure, as long as they pay it back when they are rich like me. Or whatever. Just gimme cheap OFF {Reactions} kekw [07-Jul-24 02:23 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s like. If I give out 8 mil in bases, I just wait a week, selling a ship every day, and Iโ€™ve made that money back ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [07-Jul-24 02:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 I genuinely donโ€™t know what allocator does with his time. Like. Is there a purpose to being the MM of every item in every CX in the game? Fuck that, Iโ€™d rather get everyone a base and make the game better [07-Jul-24 02:25 AM] riseoffilth#0000 But heโ€™s real rich I guess ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Jul-24 02:55 AM] rogue48.#0000 Isn't it better to set standard ROI for everyone involve in the project? For my own spreadsheet when I'm doing vertical I always have "add cost/h" to those machine when accepting project. I assume that many player with 100 days+ have their own spread sheet. Me personally like these activity to improve the community. but that's the passion. strong communities contribute to self-interest and public should have standard in providing these activities. [07-Jul-24 02:59 AM] rogue48.#0000 In column K:L project leader "must/should" assign mutual ROI commitment to reach the advantage along with project goal. when we develop together capital in investment isn't that big problem {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1259418431891963964/Capture.PNG?ex=68147b51&is=681329d1&hm=94f5290dfd030b369d79afe6b5027bfed87c7869a62c63bf1d7d8b7700f67170& [07-Jul-24 03:00 AM] Deleted User#0000 With projects that have a typical payout system, all profits tend to be the same, minus the specific upkeeps of the base, so that everything is offset to give an equal profit to everyone involved. Not sure if that's how it'll be intended for this one, but in general, the ROI can fluctuate massively depending on base, that's just how it goes. [07-Jul-24 10:00 AM] jvaler#0000 my prodigy... i'm so proud [07-Jul-24 10:48 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 The meme strikes again [07-Jul-24 10:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 but things I make myself are free! [07-Jul-24 01:43 PM] nyanism#0000 Those are lots of OFF, would it be enough to keep the entire sector bureaucracies in check? [07-Jul-24 02:19 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I think it would open a lot of doors for people who want to access governing without having massive spare industries to commit to every product personally. [07-Jul-24 02:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If someone wants to create suggested guidelines are profitability per base (especially the more or less free given ones), ill adhere. Im just spitballing a saturday afternoon's effort to get this off the ground. Specific details can be worked out anytime from now to the heat death of the universe [07-Jul-24 02:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I just want the permits to start dropping and prod to start [07-Jul-24 02:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/7ring-reaction-money-making-it-rain-make-it-rain-tina-fey-gif-13300929 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/7ring-reaction-money-making-it-rain-make-it-rain-tina-fey-gif-13300929 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TnwGVJVwk9znRWZkoPDNdMQSYUYTZWxqUMOmKffadzc/https/media.tenor.com/jVHTzTtc2RsAAAAe/7ring-reaction-money.png [07-Jul-24 02:28 PM] nyanism#0000 i go tru your discussion a bit, and the OFF chain seems very interesting to me, with enough leeway on both BMP and CHP bases to make sth else, the main bottleneck would still be the logistic required in shipping concern, I'd be very interesting in details if you can solve the shipping concern, and mind that i wont be able to repay you in a timely manner (or if at all), but provide that i almost got thru my malahat rental, i think i could stick around to atleast get some decent amount of OFF flowing around ANT {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jul-24 08:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Anyone interested in setting up a base on Eos extracting GAL for me? Will pay for the base, happy to fund the permit, if you are a newer player. Looking to have someone drop a base there within the next day or so [08-Jul-24 08:33 PM] riseoffilth#0000 will consistently buy all the output at a fixed price, or you can sell to market [08-Jul-24 08:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 makes about 65k/day profit after repair and upkeep costs [08-Jul-24 09:53 PM] riseoffilth#0000 5mil paid out to Nyannnism for the OFF bases ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} Roudybeest [08-Jul-24 09:54 PM] tanda#0000 nice! If I didn't have 4 bases lined up, I might bite [08-Jul-24 09:56 PM] nyanism#0000 :Roudybeest: [08-Jul-24 09:56 PM] nyanism#0000 time to go shopping [10-Jul-24 08:17 AM] avalock#0000 debating if i should just expand more LST and ALO since thats whatโ€™s mostly needed around here ๐Ÿค” [10-Jul-24 08:17 AM] avalock#0000 my supply is low compared to demand ๐Ÿคฃ [10-Jul-24 09:53 AM] evany.#0000 Need moar lst [10-Jul-24 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 well unless you can get a base on Deimos, where would you start getting more ALO from? [10-Jul-24 09:15 PM] jcheung#0000 IY-112a? [10-Jul-24 09:16 PM] jcheung#0000 oh wait, that's farther than i thought [10-Jul-24 09:16 PM] jcheung#0000 IY-816c? [10-Jul-24 09:16 PM] jcheung#0000 cogc seems to be fluid though [10-Jul-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 hm, there's no actual government there [10-Jul-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 good target for Avacyn to move in and start bossing people around [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 nevermind! Rise has it pegged to metallurgy [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] avalock#0000 "start bossing people around" [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ตโ€๐Ÿ’ซ [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 is closer to nascent to refine its alo [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 what do you mean, start? ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] avalock#0000 I don't boss anyone!!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Jul-24 09:18 PM] avalock#0000 >:c [10-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 YK-590c is worse than deimos, but it's a blank slate for you to do whatever you want to ๐Ÿ‘€ [10-Jul-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1260782576801681458/Screenshot_2024-07-10_191921.png?ex=6814d486&is=68138306&hm=d77c04a1a2232b1fa70e7fb2841a2d08c156db3d86fcac622c91cd877e2c2877& [10-Jul-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 so these are the top dogs in 6 jumps of ANT [10-Jul-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 so it really is IY816c and YK590c [10-Jul-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 yesh. 590 with cocg extraction is just barely better than 816 without [10-Jul-24 09:25 PM] tanda#0000 so it looks like the best option is to do more permits on Nascent [10-Jul-24 09:26 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” debatable [10-Jul-24 09:26 PM] tanda#0000 one extra permit takes ALO from 654 per day to 1028 per day, an increase of 374 [10-Jul-24 09:26 PM] tanda#0000 with the same level of shipment as current [10-Jul-24 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 @avalock how many WCBs do you have currently? [10-Jul-24 09:27 PM] jcheung#0000 590 with cocg extraction is +538 [10-Jul-24 09:28 PM] avalock#0000 1 awa [10-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jcheung#0000 the question is, is upkeeping the planet worth ~~200~~ 150 ALO ๐Ÿ˜‚ [10-Jul-24 09:29 PM] tanda#0000 money wise, Nascent only makes 15k less per day due to one planet taking HSE and the other INS and SEA [10-Jul-24 09:29 PM] avalock#0000 tbf, I'm not fully producing at nascent yet [10-Jul-24 09:29 PM] avalock#0000 so I just need to add more extractors [10-Jul-24 09:29 PM] avalock#0000 I was a bit busy with some other shtuff [10-Jul-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 then expanding that production line is the easy decision [10-Jul-24 09:30 PM] avalock#0000 Yeeeeee [11-Jul-24 02:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 If anyone in Antares is interested, with the help of another new friend, we now have access to 300+/day GAL. This may be of particular interest for anyone looking into local SF production. [11-Jul-24 02:01 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Also, RE- my previous Gov materials โ€œprojectโ€, Iโ€™m going to be spinning up PFE production within the next week [11-Jul-24 02:02 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Still looking for someone to produce AMM (just a single gas giant base), glass production on WU-070a, and a manufacturing base on Astraeus [11-Jul-24 02:03 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Big money to be made, and Iโ€™m happy to fund the new bases [11-Jul-24 02:11 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-money-cash-sunglasses-smile-gif-9305095834548664790 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-money-cash-sunglasses-smile-gif-9305095834548664790 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/11rx8Bq00PHtHF2P5OMFWk3YDvaCmEmKX_IedbSWQJw/https/media.tenor.com/gSJXXGs9edYAAAAe/money-rain-money.png [11-Jul-24 08:16 PM] wolfking6116#0000 A friend of mine who just started the other day picked Fuel Engineer on Phobos, unsure if that could be of any assistance. Though we're free licenses since our taste of the game is rather early still [11-Jul-24 09:01 PM] pi3142718#0000 So... uh, small request. Would anyone with a base on Promitor be willing to vote for me as a member of parliment? I'm not trying to do anything malicious, just think Promitor could do with some Antares representation ๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [11-Jul-24 09:08 PM] evany.#0000 good idea. burn them down from the inside [11-Jul-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 shouldn't everyone just give you free votes for your toolwork? [11-Jul-24 09:10 PM] evany.#0000 probably. hes a rockstar [11-Jul-24 10:30 PM] pi3142718#0000 I figured people would probably just click on the names they recognize. Of course I have no idea what's going on in the promitor chat [11-Jul-24 10:31 PM] tanda#0000 xit chat_promitor shows that it looks a lot like Deimos chat, lol [11-Jul-24 10:32 PM] pi3142718#0000 Yeah, figures [11-Jul-24 10:32 PM] pi3142718#0000 Except no one is advertising 750k grants ๐Ÿ˜‰ [11-Jul-24 10:33 PM] tanda#0000 I'm curious that the spirit behind ADI hasn't spread, lol [11-Jul-24 10:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 We Antarians are a kind and empathetic people. The outer colonial barbarians... not so much {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) [11-Jul-24 10:36 PM] wolfking6116#0000 Damnedable Rimworlders :riot: [11-Jul-24 10:37 PM] tanda#0000 hang on, I gotta go milk my boomalope [11-Jul-24 10:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/raid-rimworld-randy-random-gif-17993642 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/raid-rimworld-randy-random-gif-17993642 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vEdDzBTSHJMsRvzN_XSYSaYPhluGAebvpDZs5YHuUuI/https/media.tenor.com/VttAdM2jdU0AAAAe/raid-rimworld.png [11-Jul-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1261165389631590400/8wo455.jpg?ex=6814e78c&is=6813960c&hm=b518b5fabc8624d27d788fcb59463196cac69e11cb0e32b5d120145d6e80505e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Jul-24 11:06 PM] Deleted User#0000 Some people have tried. [11-Jul-24 11:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although they were less established when they began and so they didn't have the pull to provide the same level of grants. [11-Jul-24 11:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 It typically ended up being cheap materials or loans instead of straight up cash. [11-Jul-24 11:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Never did find out what happened to those lot. [12-Jul-24 05:38 AM] wolfking6116#0000 https://tenor.com/view/everyone-should-be-voting-for-you-lilly-singh-canadas-got-talent-we-should-all-vote-for-you-you-must-get-all-our-votes-gif-25768098 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/everyone-should-be-voting-for-you-lilly-singh-canadas-got-talent-we-should-all-vote-for-you-you-must-get-all-our-votes-gif-25768098 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RxFvWeA2qeC6rWB16ZbF8jq_zfPmLhYicqcQ5SCUQ6c/https/media.tenor.com/Tby4Bl9gJUAAAAAe/everyone-should-be-voting-for-you-lilly-singh.png [12-Jul-24 08:52 PM] pi3142718#0000 Didnโ€™t get into Prom, but Iโ€™m on Montem ๐Ÿ™‚ [13-Jul-24 06:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Is there an unmet demand for LST? I can pretend to be Avacyn and plop an EXT base on Nike [13-Jul-24 06:22 AM] razenpok#0000 And/or ALO base on Nascent, on the condition that pickup will be there, since I've got no WCB [13-Jul-24 08:25 AM] evany.#0000 i think avacyn might have scaled up a bit [13-Jul-24 08:26 AM] evany.#0000 but there might be i believe, i know personally i've wanted to spin up a NS base which requires 120/day on top of my 70/day [19-Jul-24 12:16 PM] evany.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263907313652076665/image.png?ex=6814fde9&is=6813ac69&hm=2a108605d22d7ebe5dd72d48d7e2b87817f014ea9caa63f9b924aff7c1342c14& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263907313945935963/image.png?ex=6814fde9&is=6813ac69&hm=c267a5bee5c64abd2b9a72d769b4eafef413dcc52c35811f70a669fa811dd9d6& [19-Jul-24 12:16 PM] evany.#0000 im good right? 15 & 18% unemployment means there should be ton for me ? [19-Jul-24 12:17 PM] evany.#0000 15 % of nearly 15k means i can swing by the home depot at 2am and still leave with a full crew in the truck i think [19-Jul-24 12:19 PM] igfloz#0000 The market is definitely there. I have 1 WCB and the Nascent > Ant (or Deimos) trip is my only logistical problem right now [19-Jul-24 12:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought workforce pool was 10% iirc [19-Jul-24 12:19 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wait i think i misread [19-Jul-24 12:20 PM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263908332943573052/image.png?ex=6814fedc&is=6813ad5c&hm=d500e74cc007ad0d7005f5b4e1d5fe4a7a9c3bf50f268d4d36d5b6212e19e715& [19-Jul-24 12:22 PM] .shiva.#0000 I'm not 100% on how it works, but I think there's a good chance you won't have full workers until the POPR {Reactions} โœ… [19-Jul-24 12:22 PM] evany.#0000 buggers [19-Jul-24 12:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263909865441595392/image.png?ex=6815004a&is=6813aeca&hm=755be25717c01fa8822989b2c745ca87cf310a283d3957ef1c3b0377fb42a316& [19-Jul-24 12:36 PM] jcheung#0000 1565 PIO free, but only 156 available for instant hire, 2175 SET free, but only 217 available for instant hire get the rest in around 3d if you have the jobs open at that time [19-Jul-24 12:37 PM] jcheung#0000 this would be where you see what's available for instant hire {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263912720521236500/image.png?ex=681502f2&is=6813b172&hm=fe193d4b18b60b2067a6ec9b894d22bb36959c8b4b04fca0c004171061bfb961& [19-Jul-24 12:38 PM] evany.#0000 aren't you new [19-Jul-24 12:38 PM] evany.#0000 are you genius or some shit [19-Jul-24 12:38 PM] jcheung#0000 no, i bothered rise [19-Jul-24 12:38 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zZWl6zUZ_FiQfIhR51T8IqBmvMET2YahWtnf0JC6jfc/https/media.tenor.com/mJv55CcaZO0AAAAe/idiocracy-dumb.png [19-Jul-24 12:38 PM] jcheung#0000 ...and i might have a bit of the 'tism [19-Jul-24 12:39 PM] jcheung#0000 this is what's been hired out of workforce pool this week from you building things that use those, and will reset to 0 when weekly POPR comes around {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1263913043876773888/image.png?ex=68150340&is=6813b1c0&hm=26f1ca256f172ca8722e0586a617bcca7547d2f369f20dfdff595e157cee7933& [19-Jul-24 12:40 PM] evany.#0000 your name makes sense to me now [19-Jul-24 12:40 PM] evany.#0000 thank you sir [19-Jul-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 my name? ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Jul-24 12:41 PM] jcheung#0000 you mean the one that i use everywhere because i'm incredibly lazy? ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jul-24 12:47 PM] evany.#0000 no iwas referring to the cantonese surname [19-Jul-24 12:47 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm an ABC [19-Jul-24 12:49 PM] evany.#0000 i had to phone a friend but my coworker moved to america in the 90s so i asked him and he told me your last name cheung is commonly written like ๆˆ -- "to be capable" [19-Jul-24 12:49 PM] evany.#0000 here you are being ~ 3 weeks old teaching me how to play the game after 100 days [19-Jul-24 12:50 PM] evany.#0000 the math checks out [19-Jul-24 12:51 PM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile, me heavily using calculators because math is hard [19-Jul-24 12:53 PM] evany.#0000 thats okay my wife is bad at starcraft [19-Jul-24 12:54 PM] evany.#0000 no korean pride, i warn her she'll lose her passport one day over it she tells me its fine its so corrupt she can just pay to get a new one back [19-Jul-24 12:54 PM] evany.#0000 "the system works" [19-Jul-24 12:57 PM] jcheung#0000 with their population issues, i wouldn't be surprised [19-Jul-24 01:45 PM] jvaler#0000 everyone uses calculators lol. that's like saying you're bad at math because you look up formulas, even though knowing when to and knowing how to use those formulas is the actually challenging part [19-Jul-24 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also you can use calculators and be good or bad at mathโ€ฆ. As a former TA for math and science classes thereโ€™s a lot of people who donโ€™t even know how to put things into a calculator correctly to get the right answers [19-Jul-24 01:47 PM] jvaler#0000 exactly lolol [19-Jul-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like it makes me wonder if they even learned how to use a calculator [19-Jul-24 01:49 PM] jvaler#0000 i never considered having to *learn* a calculator, cause they follow the same rules as written math right? or do they just not know how parenthesis and order of operations works [19-Jul-24 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Jul-24 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 well, i guess [19-Jul-24 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 tbh if i didn't have google [19-Jul-24 01:50 PM] jcheung#0000 i would be up the creek without a paddle [19-Jul-24 01:51 PM] jvaler#0000 the literal world of information at our fingertips, it's not a bad thing to use it :P though in the last few years google has started making that a bit difficult... [19-Jul-24 01:55 PM] evany.#0000 depends when you went to school! in the 90s if you were caught using a calculator you failllled [19-Jul-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm in the real world [19-Jul-24 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 i have a calculator in my pocket [19-Jul-24 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I was taught how to use my graphing calculator and learned functions and such [19-Jul-24 01:59 PM] evany.#0000 i do recall that. there was like a month in middle school where they were like heres how to use a calculator to calculate sin {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Jul-24 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or not to do certain things bc overflow errors [19-Jul-24 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't remember a damn thing about trig [19-Jul-24 02:00 PM] evany.#0000 now if i catch you with a calculator in school we ship you to argentina {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Jul-24 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm not in a field where i need trig ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Jul-24 02:00 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that's true lol. i was probably in school right as that was falling out of fashion, so that kind of rule was inconsistently applied depending on the teacher lol [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jcheung#0000 dare i ask your age ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 19 [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] evany.#0000 get out [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 D: [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/b0CbE.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/t9TPAFMpNCLgfDR-WyejyJKMw5D3tx9-njI7zCrfuic/https/media.tenor.com/sBkmcTkf_RcAAAAe/so-old.png [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler can be my sister ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 :D [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] evany.#0000 shes too young to be my sister [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] evany.#0000 daughter though [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [19-Jul-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could be my dad too then [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] jcheung#0000 i remember hearing about people in 50's having kids [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 did you have a good day at school honey {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm not even getting into this conversation ! [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 who let you off the porch old man [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 igfloz making me look young [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 thank you [19-Jul-24 02:02 PM] igfloz#0000 Go clean your bedroom boy ! rofl [19-Jul-24 02:03 PM] evany.#0000 mate i have a newborn, some mornings im lucky to have pants on by noon [19-Jul-24 02:03 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I remember those kind of days [19-Jul-24 02:03 PM] evany.#0000 the wife caught me showering at like 2am yesterday [19-Jul-24 02:03 PM] evany.#0000 "fucking why?" [19-Jul-24 02:03 PM] evany.#0000 "he woke me up its his fault" [19-Jul-24 02:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, they don't all follow the same rules - I have a few calculators that use RPN ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jul-24 03:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 so if you wanted to do 3000 / (3+4) you'd do 3000 enter 3 enter 4 + / {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅด (2) [19-Jul-24 03:09 PM] igfloz#0000 makes no sense to me - all I see is 3000/7 [19-Jul-24 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you do for 3000/3+4 [19-Jul-24 04:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 3000 enter 3 / 4 + [19-Jul-24 04:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 assuming you mean (3000/4) + 4 ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jul-24 04:12 PM] razenpok#0000 So that's basically lisp [19-Jul-24 04:12 PM] razenpok#0000 (+ (/ 3000 3) 4) [19-Jul-24 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 thats just foreign to me, doesn't even look like math lol [19-Jul-24 04:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 imagine + as a function [19-Jul-24 04:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 (+, number 1, number 2) [19-Jul-24 04:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 so you prefix the operator instead of infixing it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [19-Jul-24 04:14 PM] jcheung#0000 I don't like either of those [19-Jul-24 04:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 and RPN is kinda like postfixing [19-Jul-24 04:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 so youd say 3 4 + [19-Jul-24 04:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 but in the above the calculator has a stack so you push numbers onto it with enter [19-Jul-24 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 I feel like RPN is too much mental overhead [19-Jul-24 04:15 PM] razenpok#0000 Too much stacking [19-Jul-24 04:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 i like the stacks ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Jul-24 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Like you would need to actually write down the exact sequence prior to running the calc [19-Jul-24 04:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 nah, not once you get used to it [19-Jul-24 04:17 PM] razenpok#0000 And how it goes when it reaches 5+ operations in an expression? [19-Jul-24 04:17 PM] razenpok#0000 A, B, C, D, E, op1, op2, op3, op4, op5 [19-Jul-24 04:17 PM] razenpok#0000 That's plain nightmare [19-Jul-24 04:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's much less mental overhead than you'd think when you're working with a calculator [19-Jul-24 04:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 though for programming, I totally agree [19-Jul-24 04:18 PM] razenpok#0000 Ok, fair [19-Jul-24 04:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 i never did much lisp, but I played around with clojure and could never get my brain around it ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jul-24 04:23 PM] razenpok#0000 It's... different, indeed [19-Jul-24 04:24 PM] razenpok#0000 I have zero idea if it helps my programming career now, but I managed to understand it one day, and now it feels kinda natural [19-Jul-24 04:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 R is as close as I've ever gotten to funcitonal programming ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Jul-24 04:27 PM] razenpok#0000 R looks fine [19-Jul-24 04:27 PM] razenpok#0000 I love F#, it's super cool [19-Jul-24 04:35 PM] evany.#0000 i've never actually touched f#. what would you use it for ? [19-Jul-24 04:36 PM] evany.#0000 im primarily networking focused so python netmiko some basic api shit. aka really bad programmer [19-Jul-24 04:36 PM] razenpok#0000 It's perfect for business/domain rules in an app [19-Jul-24 04:37 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm an app developer, and using general-purpose languages (java/c#) for business rules is a bit eh [19-Jul-24 04:37 PM] razenpok#0000 On the other hand, programming anything else in f# would be a pain the ass [19-Jul-24 04:40 PM] razenpok#0000 https://fsharpforfunandprofit.com/why-use-fsharp/ Here, a very short primer on its usefulness [19-Jul-24 04:41 PM] razenpok#0000 I would die for the pipe opertator (|>) in every other language [19-Jul-24 04:43 PM] razenpok#0000 So, instead of ```js var arr = [1..100]; var sum = List.sum(arr); printfn("sum=%d", sum) ``` You would do ```fsharp [1..100] |> List.sum |> printfn "sum=%d" ``` [19-Jul-24 04:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 You'd like R then ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Jul-24 04:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 with all the tidyverse packages etc - you get a very similar syntax for piping between functions [19-Jul-24 04:44 PM] razenpok#0000 Ooh, I'll check it out [19-Jul-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 took a coding class my first year in college and basically promptly forgot how to do it all [19-Jul-24 05:01 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm busy forgetting what i currently learn in class as fast as I'm learning it [19-Jul-24 10:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 you dont get access to 100% of the unemployed population, only about 10% of it. You have to wait for popr for that unemployed pop to be distributed [19-Jul-24 10:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QWQHfrxVoQEYuv31PKyh8eKRhycOWqpjYJjsEN-wFM8/https/media.tenor.com/0FJbp1RGsF0AAAAe/elrond-lotr.png [19-Jul-24 10:24 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I think it remains valuable for learning math at an early age. (read algebra and under). But afterwards? for geometry and calc? fuck that, use a caluclator [19-Jul-24 10:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 also, I mentor interns at my company that are your age ๐Ÿ˜ญ when did i get this old [19-Jul-24 10:27 PM] jcheung#0000 that's what i said [19-Jul-24 10:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 @jvaler I tell you what I told them as they are going back to school. This moment and point in your life is utterly unique to every year that comes after it. Your entire life are open doors and many paths, and this is the most influence years of your life when choosing that path. Make sure you choose a path that you are passionate about and brings you joy. And if you cant do or find that, do something that makes money, so you can find your passion later and be able to afford it! But dont forget to enjoy this youth and moment, because it will never happen again. [19-Jul-24 10:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/hcWH0yjc2bG.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/passionn%c3%a9ment-gif-5912769248254098230 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yGhi5px70VkCWnSfp5bL44vX7WWj2uQ7VUQFbiHGzMs/https/media.tenor.com/Ug5gTdkJ-zYAAAAe/passionn%25C3%25A9ment.png [20-Jul-24 01:07 PM] evany.#0000 Alright besides rises practical advice above letโ€™s get real [20-Jul-24 01:08 PM] evany.#0000 Srsbsns, even! @sidepipe itโ€™s come to my attention that there be water in ol se110 [20-Jul-24 01:08 PM] evany.#0000 Water that I require for my needs. [20-Jul-24 01:09 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/slipped-failarmy-jump-flip-swimming-pool-gif-8099852872965274796 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/slipped-failarmy-jump-flip-swimming-pool-gif-8099852872965274796 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bkJKe3KtUVfX_ZYErLBsDyPy933HsSNPBHf3ZeUDeAk/https/media.tenor.com/cGh1ReoFvKwAAAAe/slipped-failarmy.png [20-Jul-24 01:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 woah, those are some serious needs [20-Jul-24 01:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 how much water do you need for your needs? [20-Jul-24 01:10 PM] evany.#0000 State 1 of the plan is to fill my pool [20-Jul-24 01:10 PM] evany.#0000 About 400 a day [20-Jul-24 01:10 PM] evany.#0000 Stage 2 of my plan, more like 1100 [20-Jul-24 01:10 PM] evany.#0000 I also have a quite gracious opportunity for you my friend [20-Jul-24 01:11 PM] evany.#0000 In several hours I will gain the ability to pick up the water myself [20-Jul-24 01:11 PM] evany.#0000 Not requiring your assistance in shipping it [20-Jul-24 01:11 PM] igfloz#0000 Wait !? He's growing hands ?? [20-Jul-24 01:11 PM] evany.#0000 Silence infidel the adults are speaking [20-Jul-24 01:12 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Jul-24 01:12 PM] evany.#0000 (Iโ€™ll get on voice 1sec) [20-Jul-24 01:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll have to check prunplanner to see if I can support that [20-Jul-24 01:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 but even if I can't, I could sell you a good bit of water to get started [20-Jul-24 01:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm not sure that's legal. [20-Jul-24 01:13 PM] Deleted User#0000 Where's he doing it, Harmonia? I think he needs a special permit for that. [20-Jul-24 01:13 PM] igfloz#0000 Controlled substance ? [20-Jul-24 01:19 PM] evany.#0000 i came into it pretty half cocked so let me find real numbers too [20-Jul-24 01:21 PM] evany.#0000 stage1 is 300 not 400 [20-Jul-24 01:21 PM] evany.#0000 and stage 2 is 1200, not 1100 [20-Jul-24 01:21 PM] evany.#0000 so i need water for like six pools. a day. [20-Jul-24 01:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 @evany. I can definitely cover the stage 1 needs ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Jul-24 01:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I don't have enough spare H2O to go beyond that, and I've already maxed out ISA ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [20-Jul-24 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok ๐Ÿฅด [20-Jul-24 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So time for me to buck up the ante [20-Jul-24 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Permit shopping time [20-Jul-24 01:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh scratch that, I still have 90 area- let me see how much I could get out of that [20-Jul-24 01:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 and I do have _some_ water stockpiled {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1264292658168205404/image.png?ex=6815134b&is=6813c1cb&hm=08d9d20c2f2a7b6463ec74c1e5d5d3b9117a8b1a54aedb6152feabb8bf1941e8& [20-Jul-24 01:51 PM] evany.#0000 "some" [20-Jul-24 01:52 PM] evany.#0000 who else has ISA base? [20-Jul-24 01:56 PM] tanda#0000 it's in the planning stages [20-Jul-24 02:00 PM] akyantor#0000 Not yet, probably will at some stage. [20-Jul-24 02:02 PM] tanda#0000 my logistics have gotten so bad recently I'm still trying to catch up [20-Jul-24 02:06 PM] evany.#0000 same tanda same. [20-Jul-24 02:07 PM] evany.#0000 i actually built a logistics map to see if we could spot inefficiencies [20-Jul-24 02:09 PM] tanda#0000 All of these issues are purely waiting on shipping {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1264298154120056862/Screenshot_2024-07-20_120913.png?ex=68151869&is=6813c6e9&hm=bf2c8e227dbab6b740c7e0883119691c6f453b0b8d4bf61a726842645ed1bb29& [20-Jul-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 i almost always go empty towards deimos [20-Jul-24 02:11 PM] tanda#0000 that's actually being taken care of today, ship is already en route. Getting argon from KI-401d is proving an interesting challenge. I'm refitting one of my ships with larger tanks today too [20-Jul-24 02:12 PM] evany.#0000 yeah that really screwed me up too [20-Jul-24 02:16 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… iโ€™m the problem child [20-Jul-24 02:17 PM] tanda#0000 no, the problem isn't you, it's the supply line for AR. I'm giving consideration to maybe getting a 2k/2k ship a bit early [20-Jul-24 02:18 PM] evany.#0000 my 2k/2k is ready in 3 hours tanda [20-Jul-24 02:18 PM] evany.#0000 happy to consolidate [20-Jul-24 02:18 PM] tanda#0000 oh, things might be looking up then. [20-Jul-24 02:18 PM] tanda#0000 `fit AR 2000t/2000m3 [20-Jul-24 02:18 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 1121 AR Remaining Weight 0.14t Remaining Volume 879.00mยณ [20-Jul-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 how many days does it take you to mine 1100 AR? [20-Jul-24 02:19 PM] evany.#0000 oh thats unfortunately barely better than wcb's 1000 [20-Jul-24 02:19 PM] evany.#0000 sad. [20-Jul-24 02:21 PM] tanda#0000 agreed. I was hoping it would be better than that, but that still means a ship has to run out there 10% less [20-Jul-24 02:22 PM] tanda#0000 considering the journey ANT> KI-401d> ANT is nearly 3 days, that's not nothing [20-Jul-24 02:22 PM] evany.#0000 yeah [20-Jul-24 02:51 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m minin 278/day so a bit under 5 [20-Jul-24 02:51 PM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m at like 800ish rn [20-Jul-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 What do you use for the bg image [20-Jul-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 That's neat [20-Jul-24 02:59 PM] jcheung#0000 I want limestone bagels [20-Jul-24 02:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @tanda do you need FLX on Deimos? [20-Jul-24 03:20 PM] tanda#0000 I have 1k FLX landing in like 4 hours {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jul-24 12:47 PM] jvaler#0000 @skyrey i assume the PE planet you're looking at is hephaestus? i highly recommend it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Jul-24 01:27 PM] skyrey#0000 Did not get to that point, but I will write it down [22-Jul-24 01:34 PM] skyrey#0000 By the way. Would anyone have a setup for an agriculture to carbon base? [22-Jul-24 02:11 PM] igfloz#0000 So... this is a GRN Farm on Harmonia (benefit from Agriculture CoGC ) - I'd advise the Carbon part of your venture would be on another planet with a suitable CoGC, Errrrr. Nascent ? Maybe ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1265023402092007708/image.png?ex=681518da&is=6813c75a&hm=3318e31ffeb9d4ae624b388b8e82d66d0a293bbe20f0f56e7ef6dc7cf4634ae4& [22-Jul-24 02:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah nascent works [22-Jul-24 02:14 PM] .shiva.#0000 Harmonia <-> Nascent is really asking for a jump gate [22-Jul-24 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 Yeah..... thats a trip [22-Jul-24 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeahโ€ฆ [22-Jul-24 02:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It shouldnโ€™t be that far but [22-Jul-24 02:23 PM] igfloz#0000 Yeah, both Harmonia and Nascent are a bit of a trip back to ANT. Round trips can be long {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1265026474059235399/image.png?ex=681472f6&is=68132176&hm=cc1e7fa843eb8f6c2885ba38a225a2dbc3b43016ef549b1279613edbbe554fa7& [22-Jul-24 02:24 PM] skyrey#0000 Intriguing [22-Jul-24 02:28 PM] skyrey#0000 Although I still have a feeling that I want to include incinerators on Harmonia. Would transporting grain not take up a lot of shipping capacity? [22-Jul-24 02:30 PM] igfloz#0000 you can get 500 GRN on a starter ship [22-Jul-24 02:33 PM] igfloz#0000 so... if you look at the factory I posted, with full 5 experts you get 28.4% production bonus (CoGC Agriculture) - If you put incinerators on Harmonia you don't get any bonus for them. Nascent gives the correct CoGC bonus (Resource Extraction) [22-Jul-24 02:35 PM] skyrey#0000 Yep. Meaning that overall it will be more time efficient. I also did some quick math and 13 farmsteads do not produce 500 grain as quickly as I thought [22-Jul-24 02:36 PM] skyrey#0000 It will be worth it. Although I should probably first move the PE production to Hephaestus [22-Jul-24 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 startup (full 13 FRM) will obviously be slower, but I assure you within a few days, you will get 3 experts, 4 & 5 expert takes some time [22-Jul-24 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 The more production going on for a base = quickest expert generation [22-Jul-24 02:37 PM] skyrey#0000 Already on the 3rd agriculture expert [22-Jul-24 02:37 PM] igfloz#0000 nice [22-Jul-24 02:38 PM] skyrey#0000 Okey, I will be slowly moving everything that is not agriculture off Harmonia [22-Jul-24 02:39 PM] igfloz#0000 Hephaestus is a good choice for a central (not necessarily HQ) base, very close to ANT CX [22-Jul-24 02:44 PM] skyrey#0000 Another question. Should I shift from PE to metallurgy? Such as gold [22-Jul-24 02:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Metallurgy without a bigger cargo hold is rough [22-Jul-24 02:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And usually not crazy profitable [22-Jul-24 02:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 PE is actually quite good if all you care about is money per day [22-Jul-24 02:46 PM] skyrey#0000 Noted. Is there a point in going further in the production chain then PE, or just focus on making as much of it as possible? [22-Jul-24 02:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I'd just try going into prunplanner and plugging in a couple options [22-Jul-24 02:47 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I know that BDE is best made with PE but whether it's a better option than selling raw PE depends [22-Jul-24 02:48 PM] skyrey#0000 Perhaps OVEs? [22-Jul-24 02:49 PM] igfloz#0000 I may be wrong here, but if you look into producing items that are further down the production chain, I'm guessing the material import will be way expensive [22-Jul-24 02:49 PM] skyrey#0000 I can grow RCO on a different agricultural planet nearby [22-Jul-24 02:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Try planning an OVE base in prunplanner [22-Jul-24 02:50 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I have my doubts because I can buy 100 OVE for a base and forget about it for a long time [22-Jul-24 02:51 PM] skyrey#0000 I will experiment with the pruner [22-Jul-24 02:52 PM] igfloz#0000 .....also, maybe look into planning a raw material source planet to feed your hephaestus base. I make OVE on Heph and I will say that if you look at the chart for OVE, it's not really a daily sale item [22-Jul-24 02:52 PM] igfloz#0000 ..not that I'm talking you out of competing with me, lol - Its only a small base for me [22-Jul-24 02:53 PM] skyrey#0000 I will take a few expansion options into account [22-Jul-24 02:54 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Btw, you might be interested in #kevin-information. We are slopwly putting it together and need another PE person [22-Jul-24 02:54 PM] igfloz#0000 ^^^^^^๐Ÿ‘† ^^^^^ [22-Jul-24 02:54 PM] skyrey#0000 I think that I will be interested [22-Jul-24 02:55 PM] skyrey#0000 Can I message you back in about a week? Need some time to set up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jul-24 02:55 PM] igfloz#0000 we'll be here ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 omg i'm stealing the buffer thing for future screenshots lol. how have i not thought of that {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [22-Jul-24 03:14 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Jul-24 03:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @skyrey Here's a limited selection of beginner materials and rough estimation of money/day of a dedicated base at 100%. There are more profitable options and some mats are best produced together with others as to not overwhelm the demand but I hope this might help a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1265042280784466024/beginner_2024-07-22.png?ex=681481af&is=6813302f&hm=7e62b7fac4995078b230ab43e1d8c6586cb5045ea02f5463e27c5396aa863d46& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Jul-24 03:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 And now that I've generated the graph again, idk why C is so low again. It was like #1 last time [22-Jul-24 03:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I've been out of the game for a bit now [22-Jul-24 03:30 PM] skyrey#0000 Thanks, it is a lot of help in wrapping my head around it [22-Jul-24 03:33 PM] skyrey#0000 I am currently looking at a few setup ideas I have. I am thinking of converting my Harmonia base to just grow GRN until I setup a Carbon and PE bases respectively. Do you think that I can get away with surviving on just selling GRN to the Anteras CX? [22-Jul-24 03:34 PM] igfloz#0000 There are people who will buy it. I feed into one C project, I'm sure you will find buyers. [22-Jul-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i personally feel like RAT is way complicated for new [22-Jul-24 03:35 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There's a person with a massive buy order on the CX. It probably won't be much $$$ but survivable [22-Jul-24 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 if i had to guess without looking, feedstock prices probably shot up [22-Jul-24 03:37 PM] skyrey#0000 Then I think that I will close my Carbon and PE production on Harmonia and make a permanent GRN setup [22-Jul-24 03:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You had that all on Harmonia? [22-Jul-24 03:38 PM] skyrey#0000 Yep, I started a bit more then 3 weeks ago [22-Jul-24 03:38 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Looking at CXPC, the average price of GRN went up by like 10-20. You could probably buy a kinder egg with the difference [22-Jul-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Gotcha! [22-Jul-24 03:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can buy your GRN or HCP if you want [22-Jul-24 03:38 PM] igfloz#0000 It's worth mentioning that there are some people looking at multiple C plant feeds, some look to GRN + HCP input........ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ [22-Jul-24 03:39 PM] igfloz#0000 there we Go Hal98 already said the same ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kinda [22-Jul-24 03:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or if you want to grow MAI Iโ€™ll buy that too ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Jul-24 03:39 PM] igfloz#0000 3 >1 yeah I getcha [22-Jul-24 03:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Triple burn ๐Ÿ”ฅ [22-Jul-24 03:40 PM] skyrey#0000 I will wait for my next trip to Anteras CX and plan all the building materials I will need to buy for the change [22-Jul-24 03:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok you will get back some of the materials you used to build the BMP and INC [22-Jul-24 03:41 PM] skyrey#0000 Yep, accounting that in too [22-Jul-24 03:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Perfect [22-Jul-24 03:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just wanted make sure you knew ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Jul-24 03:42 PM] skyrey#0000 Thanks [22-Jul-24 03:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How many FRM do you have at the moment? [22-Jul-24 03:43 PM] skyrey#0000 5 so far [22-Jul-24 03:43 PM] igfloz#0000 have you asked for a grant ? [22-Jul-24 03:43 PM] skyrey#0000 Not yet [22-Jul-24 03:44 PM] igfloz#0000 get your plan in place, then I think its grant time ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 03:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll stockpile BFABs [22-Jul-24 03:45 PM] igfloz#0000 lol @ Hal, looking for the opportunity [22-Jul-24 03:45 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but also the assistance ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Jul-24 03:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well it would be better to sell them to the CX [22-Jul-24 03:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So my point was I wonโ€™t sell them to the CX ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Jul-24 03:48 PM] skyrey#0000 Hahaha, that was quick. I will be able to afford finishing the base with what I got so far, I want to finish my month of playing relatively slowly. Not to get overwhelmed right away Although I am up to join the Kevin program and get a 0% loan to resume PE production, in a week [22-Jul-24 03:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very fair and valid point ๐Ÿซก [22-Jul-24 04:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 any plans on having manufacturing COGC on any Antares III (near Nike) planets in the future? [22-Jul-24 04:31 PM] jvaler#0000 probably agri market fluctuations, they're pretty volatile due to their low throughput [22-Jul-24 04:32 PM] jvaler#0000 static agri pricing could probably be helpful there, given most people choose to make their own agri [22-Jul-24 05:49 PM] jcheung#0000 could always make plans of your own ๐Ÿ˜„ [22-Jul-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 Eventually yeah [22-Jul-24 11:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lets start a planet {Reactions} cat_rage Tasty [23-Jul-24 06:43 AM] evany.#0000 There is a baby nike planet somewhere, when I go home later Iโ€™ll see if I can find it [23-Jul-24 09:28 AM] marat_sh#0000 2 Construction COGCs (a 'Nike' and b), c is loaded with FEO (no COGCs), d is metallurgy and e isn't setteled yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Jul-24 01:10 PM] .shiva.#0000 starting to look at doing this now, do you have them ship to ANT, then redistribute, or deliver straight to SMEs? trying to figure what will get accepted [23-Jul-24 01:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 B is nike jr [23-Jul-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/walking-black-and-white-tall-and-short-gif-17360263 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/walking-black-and-white-tall-and-short-gif-17360263 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/e91F2Kc-PxAqv-85qLOqednwbJIChpl1Hgs30BgX-Do/https/media.tenor.com/zVdYmzt8CnAAAAAe/walking-black-and-white.png [23-Jul-24 01:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 Nike and Nike Jr [23-Jul-24 01:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma go pay money to make its name Nike Jr brb [23-Jul-24 01:17 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, what about Kevin ? [23-Jul-24 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s a project tho [23-Jul-24 01:19 PM] igfloz#0000 just a dumbass comment [23-Jul-24 01:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We love Kevin tho [23-Jul-24 01:21 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean Nike is kinda all about the INS (project kevin) - but please ignore, I'm just making a lame attempt at humour [23-Jul-24 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kinda [23-Jul-24 01:21 PM] igfloz#0000 ....don't get me banned lol [23-Jul-24 01:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have no banning ability [23-Jul-24 01:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If anything Iโ€™m the one who should watch out ๐Ÿคง [23-Jul-24 01:23 PM] igfloz#0000 I get that, just don't go name the planet Kevin and then blame me when the adults don't like it rofl [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Kevin... [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I wonโ€™t name a planet Kevin [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 That'd be a heinous crime. [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It would [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] Deleted User#0000 Punishable by 15 years on Promitor. [23-Jul-24 01:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc it makes no sense [23-Jul-24 01:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kevin the INS project makes tons of sense {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [23-Jul-24 01:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Now if you named a popular planet within another faction Kevin, I'd laugh my ass off, but that's a bit too malicious and it'd surely incite more back to back. [23-Jul-24 01:26 PM] Deleted User#0000 Granted Elon, so, I guess one back is warranted. [23-Jul-24 01:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [23-Jul-24 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess we just need to plan our target and write a fan fiction about it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Jul-24 01:27 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [23-Jul-24 01:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Tit for tat [23-Jul-24 01:37 PM] Deleted User#0000 Shouldn't stoop to their level. [23-Jul-24 01:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 Despite how satisfying it would be, they wouldn't take it as being equal, and we'd probably have more terrible names over our end. [23-Jul-24 01:38 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm surprised there's not more given the rivalry but I guess either people don't care THAT much or the fact there's not really many planets in Antares that are inhabited and also aren't named already. [23-Jul-24 01:39 PM] igfloz#0000 I hadn't even considered that there was rivalry between areas...... I mean I'm pretty much flying in ant space, so I guess I don't see it [23-Jul-24 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Antares FTW! [23-Jul-24 01:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If we name all the Antares planets then they canโ€™t name them [23-Jul-24 01:50 PM] Deleted User#0000 Real. [23-Jul-24 02:19 PM] jvaler#0000 i've had them accept both kinds, though i think they check the deimos LM much less frequently {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1265387944466845847/image.png?ex=6814721b&is=6813209b&hm=8ff195b80f5b63e04f1590335f07a4854b4522ec55da3b962bb7fd29736066a1& [23-Jul-24 02:22 PM] .shiva.#0000 thanks, figure it's one less step for me if it's delivered straight to deimos [23-Jul-24 02:23 PM] .shiva.#0000 I tore down my EXT on deimos, and went full SME... and then really started noticing it's a good bit of ALO to move pretty often lol [23-Jul-24 02:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yup ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [23-Jul-24 02:23 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, that's the world I live in at the moment [23-Jul-24 02:24 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm just happy I have 1 WCB lol [23-Jul-24 02:25 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah 370 ALO at a time in a 500 won't really work [23-Jul-24 02:25 PM] .shiva.#0000 I'd just hit my 5th expert around the same time too [23-Jul-24 02:54 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I settled that planet! [23-Jul-24 03:23 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Once we get AI1 to be the best, most populated CX, we may drop Bober 2 through 7 on Castillo-Ito {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Jul-24 05:39 AM] chobbycock#0000 Since there is a big lack of anyone making SF in sellable quantities, I'm planning on setting up space Exxon Mobil to bring you lot SF and eventually FF at an affordable price {Reactions} pog blobheart [24-Jul-24 05:39 AM] chobbycock#0000 Next step is to get a base set up on electronica to produce NAB [24-Jul-24 05:44 AM] chobbycock#0000 However unfortunately unlike the real Exxon Mobil, I'm not working with billions in the bank so the operation will grow slowly at first [24-Jul-24 05:51 AM] tanda#0000 just don't let anyone make you pay for NA [24-Jul-24 06:03 AM] chobbycock#0000 Already make my own, so don't need to worry about that [24-Jul-24 08:05 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Anyone looking to get into chemistry? Need more CL/EPO and PG production, for anyone interested [24-Jul-24 11:28 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm interested ๐Ÿ‘€ [24-Jul-24 11:28 PM] jcheung#0000 where at? [24-Jul-24 11:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Elon is a good a place as any {Reactions} _kek_ (2) [24-Jul-24 11:30 PM] jcheung#0000 sure. do you need the full output or can i siphon off some pg? ๐Ÿ‘€ [24-Jul-24 11:31 PM] jcheung#0000 more importantly, if i do that base can i convince you to finance a 2k/2k ship for me so i don't have to have a ship constantly moving with the sole purpose in life of supply to that base? [24-Jul-24 11:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh are you selling your soul ๐Ÿ‘€ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [24-Jul-24 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 have been [24-Jul-24 11:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I think that is acceptable, including a sweetening of the deal with a loan for a 2k2k [24-Jul-24 11:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-mine-now-hes-mine-now-i-like-him-gif-13196236 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-mine-now-hes-mine-now-i-like-him-gif-13196236 Mine Now https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LRcXJNMu_vB4OUTjC6L44TMK-pOirUELoEfazv6XxpQ/https/media.tenor.com/BH-gX6TBQVIAAAAe/mine-now-mine.png [24-Jul-24 11:38 PM] jcheung#0000 this will be base 3 for rise ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [24-Jul-24 11:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Iโ€™ve got a cut of the cake first friend [24-Jul-24 11:39 PM] jcheung#0000 and if he ever gets back around to vulcan that'll probably be base 4... [24-Jul-24 11:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/friends-phoebe-buffay-lisa-kudrow-soulmate-girls-gif-12780119 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/friends-phoebe-buffay-lisa-kudrow-soulmate-girls-gif-12780119 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QF3neUzlmk3wmjkbS3EllDF4-jp_lNCiIybmpmeWVLo/https/media.tenor.com/6H2x62hmWuEAAAAe/friends-phoebe-buffay.png [24-Jul-24 11:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ya know, soon [24-Jul-24 11:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 There's few people better to sell your soul to than Rise. [25-Jul-24 12:00 AM] riseoffilth#0000 I keep it safe, promise [25-Jul-24 12:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dory-jellyfish-tiny-arent-you-adorable-uuhh-my-goochi-boo-boo-gif-17208411 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dory-jellyfish-tiny-arent-you-adorable-uuhh-my-goochi-boo-boo-gif-17208411 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N3Ax4eAMffOovUwL3EG_Cdv-9S7PYRX48syR1g-2dxE/https/media.tenor.com/LiRj1JoHAocAAAAe/dory-jellyfish.png [25-Jul-24 12:57 AM] jvaler#0000 @jcheung CULT has a corp HQ there if y'all would like to make use of it [25-Jul-24 12:58 AM] jcheung#0000 sadly i'm in a corp ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [25-Jul-24 12:58 AM] jvaler#0000 aw [25-Jul-24 02:25 PM] chobbycock#0000 What exactly would it entail? been thinking about setting up PG productions anyway [25-Jul-24 02:43 PM] riseoffilth#0000 a heart beat, agreement to loan, and other fun things. Basically just some input/output price controls, sale me some of your materials... The goal is to help newbros, but also create suppliers for my larger industries or goals of influencing markets that I think are a bit too wild [25-Jul-24 03:00 PM] chobbycock#0000 Yea Iโ€™d be up for that, plus I like the sound of a 2k2k loan if that comes with it. Iโ€™m guessing as part of it, Iโ€™d buy the base Mats from you and then sell the PG back? [25-Jul-24 03:01 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Buy or loan, up to you [25-Jul-24 04:52 PM] chobbycock#0000 Right you can count me in [25-Jul-24 09:45 PM] tanda#0000 I'm very tempted to dismantle my HWP and build another GF for now [25-Jul-24 09:45 PM] tanda#0000 I have something like 300 LHP on hand and nobody really needs it, lol [25-Jul-24 10:09 PM] evany.#0000 Doesnโ€™t sell fast on market eh ? [25-Jul-24 10:10 PM] tanda#0000 nah, and I need to revisit my internal price [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm happy to buy all of that off you, i'm sure i'll need it eventually [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 huh. well [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 _scratches his HWP off his plans_ [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] tanda#0000 it's in two different places right now, but I'll let you know when I get it off Deimos to ANT? [25-Jul-24 10:11 PM] jvaler#0000 no rush lol [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] evany.#0000 Jvaler likes lhp [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] jvaler#0000 just know u can liquidate it with me [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] evany.#0000 Iโ€™ll need to buy some soon too, repairs and all that [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] jcheung#0000 i regularly run from deimos to ANT pretty close to empty if you're interested tanda. though, uh. might be a little bit, tied up spinning up a new base rn [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] tanda#0000 alrighty, I've stopped production for now for sure [25-Jul-24 10:12 PM] tanda#0000 no worries! [25-Jul-24 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 I hate to ask this, but what's the COGM for LHP on Deimos? [25-Jul-24 10:13 PM] tanda#0000 PRUN Planner's new bug is making that screen not work for me [25-Jul-24 10:13 PM] jcheung#0000 metalurgy? i think? [25-Jul-24 10:13 PM] evany.#0000 Cogm? [25-Jul-24 10:14 PM] evany.#0000 Cogc is metallurgy yea [25-Jul-24 10:14 PM] tanda#0000 Cost of Goods Manufactured [25-Jul-24 10:14 PM] jcheung#0000 ohhh [25-Jul-24 10:14 PM] jcheung#0000 uhm [25-Jul-24 10:14 PM] evany.#0000 Is that the per job fee? 5 bucks [25-Jul-24 10:15 PM] tanda#0000 it's the cost of input materials + the cost it takes to supply the pops to make it [25-Jul-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 so this might be a little fucky compaired to what you're used to seeing, but this is set for buy:AI1 buy, sell: AI1 sell [25-Jul-24 10:15 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266232417178619904/image.png?ex=6814e195&is=68139015&hm=1886098e4651b89cf85bb0cbe80766184f7742d57c3d9bbe2e7fc22d1bc05009& [25-Jul-24 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 errr wait [25-Jul-24 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 that includes a bunch of housing [25-Jul-24 10:16 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266232583683838003/image.png?ex=6814e1bd&is=6813903d&hm=f010ad8db8d435f19d177d7404ca20d3899467ac62c1e75caec51473065dd0e3& [25-Jul-24 10:16 PM] evany.#0000 Ahh [25-Jul-24 10:17 PM] jcheung#0000 damn, if you can source FET AHP makes a lot ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Jul-24 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 works for me, best I'm going to get currently, lol [25-Jul-24 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but look at trying to source FET [25-Jul-24 10:17 PM] tanda#0000 and then look at how often AHP sells [25-Jul-24 10:18 PM] jcheung#0000 i did [25-Jul-24 10:20 PM] jcheung#0000 let me see if i still have the plans [25-Jul-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 I definitely looked at what it takes to do WCBs, and quickly realized it's a huge task, lol [25-Jul-24 10:29 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so it's pretty rough, but still doable imo. 2 ASM making FET, 2 HWP making AHP and 12 SMEs for support. output roughly 12.7 AHP (slight variation because under-supply FET by 10%), plus a little bit of SME output. profit/d ~50k even has room to swap a SME for a GF. or 3 SMEs for 2 GFs. [25-Jul-24 10:29 PM] jcheung#0000 it might have been one of my earlier plans, but 2m build cost was way out of my price range [25-Jul-24 10:30 PM] jcheung#0000 i think the profit margin was worse when i originally drafted it though, like 30k or something [26-Jul-24 10:48 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 9 out of 10 dentists recommend. Rise set me up on Romulus and kinda slap dash on Hephaestus? Threw some building mats out the car window and left me to figure out the rest but appreciate them all the same [27-Jul-24 02:00 AM] riseoffilth#0000 come to WU-070a, good glass business there [27-Jul-24 02:00 AM] riseoffilth#0000 busy week, ill sort ya out this weekend [27-Jul-24 04:12 AM] finestone#0000 Im moving in for smelter world soon! [27-Jul-24 04:30 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Not a problem big pappa. Just need more PG to feed the thang now. Ship on route to set up atm [27-Jul-24 01:34 PM] tanda#0000 it's crazy what a 5 per day overproduction can add up to {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266826043340226631/Screenshot_2024-07-27_113346.png?ex=68151031&is=6813beb1&hm=42a5a17569e1e1b418c5dcee63b07273e790c93991e14bb1ef95ca6eb5d5a659& [27-Jul-24 03:25 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i gots the goods, let me know where/when ya need [27-Jul-24 03:29 PM] xtc69#0000 does this look good or should i do 5 days ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266854996628996309/image.png?ex=68148268&is=681330e8&hm=af12cd8ab946c6e1c45a7165c7587158bf05f9291614aaf07fabde2df0ff1e4a& [27-Jul-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 Depending on how often you play [27-Jul-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do resupply every day [27-Jul-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 since I am in the same system with ANT [27-Jul-24 03:52 PM] xtc69#0000 i would say everyday roughly just want to make sure not wasting fuel and shit [27-Jul-24 03:52 PM] xtc69#0000 to market [27-Jul-24 03:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 how much fuel 1 trip back and forth takes [27-Jul-24 03:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 for me it's around 200 units there and back [27-Jul-24 03:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 under 10 hours [27-Jul-24 03:54 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266861188009168916/image.png?ex=6814882c&is=681336ac&hm=f4cee26f98b2bc4aabf84b04c5f3c09e3d843fb0c5bc2254b1e729f77f34689c& [27-Jul-24 03:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 sounds reasonable [27-Jul-24 03:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 the price for fuel is around 15.5 per unit [27-Jul-24 03:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 78 * 15.5 = $1500 for one way trip [27-Jul-24 03:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 try to load as much as you can before you send but also concider the time to travel [27-Jul-24 03:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 is it really that fuel efficient? damn I though being that close to ANT helps [27-Jul-24 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 I learned the hard way that sometimes jumping between systems is cheaper than in system [27-Jul-24 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 More damage though, sometimes [27-Jul-24 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 ...usually [27-Jul-24 04:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Can even jump out, abort jump in, use less fuel and get there faster [27-Jul-24 04:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 Good to know \ [27-Jul-24 04:11 PM] xtc69#0000 what you mean abort thats weird lol [27-Jul-24 04:16 PM] jcheung#0000 Basically jump to next system but skip going to a planet, then jump back into the previous system [27-Jul-24 05:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can cancel a flight path in the middle of the path. It finishes the current segment and then stops [27-Jul-24 05:04 PM] archielvahr#0000 which can stop you in orbit around a planet or waiting somewhere random. [27-Jul-24 05:55 PM] xtc69#0000 so like this i would abort this now ? kinda confused lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1266891637133414420/image.png?ex=6814a488&is=68135308&hm=46f3f621a0206c735d6f307d6b2faf4993460c6079aa636b04a853f209f340a7& [27-Jul-24 06:00 PM] archielvahr#0000 Ah the abort trick is really only helpful for in-system flights. Don't abort that unless you made a mistake and don't actually want to go to Deimos [27-Jul-24 06:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 It's for situations like this: [27-Jul-24 06:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-07-27_18-01-34.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-07-27_18-01-34.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dXAjV_jmqaIf_VJXUSXenAASiVL0d4wGzKOcxeXhW3g/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_2024-07-27_18-01-34.png [27-Jul-24 06:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 I want to go from ANT to ZV-307h. It's an all-in-one-system flight. But it's 233 units of fuel and takes 25 hours. [27-Jul-24 06:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 So I'd jump out of system, cancel, jump back in. Then it's probably about 61 SF fuel and like 20 FF [27-Jul-24 06:02 PM] archielvahr#0000 and maybe like 6 hours instead [27-Jul-24 06:08 PM] xtc69#0000 aww i see [27-Jul-24 06:08 PM] xtc69#0000 where is say +1 day that means 2 day trip [27-Jul-24 06:12 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 You've got a contract from me for 6000 PG on ANT. Do you think you could get that there in 2-3hrs? [27-Jul-24 06:13 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 CONT ID LYK2SCS [27-Jul-24 07:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 That duration thing is part of PMMG [27-Jul-24 07:01 PM] archielvahr#0000 a browser plugin that adds a lot of essential features [29-Jul-24 05:10 PM] revoric#0000 so i started yesterday on demios as a miner. not sure what im doing but have my first resuply ariving in 4 hours ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jul-24 05:24 PM] jcheung#0000 well, you can start by saying what you've done since starting, and what you have in the way of plans ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jul-24 05:30 PM] revoric#0000 oh i see, well i have a smelter and extractor, smelted some of the iron ore i started with and bought some rations and building mats to increese production, i cant grab a license till thursday so im doing what i can with limited acess lol [29-Jul-24 05:30 PM] revoric#0000 i also grabed a warehouse at ANT figured that would be smart [29-Jul-24 05:31 PM] jcheung#0000 have you heard of prunplanner or pmmg? [29-Jul-24 05:31 PM] jcheung#0000 actually i guess the question is, are you browser or steam [29-Jul-24 05:32 PM] revoric#0000 have pmmg its amazing, keeping me here more then lastime and i cant figure out prunplanner tbh, i couldnt find how to "plan" anything after 30 min [29-Jul-24 05:33 PM] revoric#0000 thinking about building a gas extractor so i have oxygen i dont have to fly for [29-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 i don't recommend a COL on deimos [29-Jul-24 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 like it's not the absolute worst place to place one [29-Jul-24 05:35 PM] revoric#0000 oh? is a third of a bar "not great" [29-Jul-24 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 well, it's because of your other options you see [29-Jul-24 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 hang on let me [29-Jul-24 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. looking at just the building land area used, EXT would make roughly 10% more than what COLs would make [29-Jul-24 05:43 PM] jcheung#0000 if you were to sell to CX [29-Jul-24 05:44 PM] revoric#0000 like raw oxygen selling vs raw alu selling instead of smelting? [29-Jul-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 your consumption of worker consumables would also be slightly lowered, but didn't run the numbers on that [29-Jul-24 05:44 PM] jcheung#0000 yes, or if you're smelting then it would be what you would save from buying O vs selling excess ALO [29-Jul-24 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 although, 10% is a lot closer than i initially thought [29-Jul-24 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i thought the gap was larger [29-Jul-24 05:46 PM] revoric#0000 and if i twiddle my thumbs till i have a full cargo then its even better on fuel cost. i have the terrible habit of activly playing idle games lol [29-Jul-24 05:46 PM] jcheung#0000 here's my thoughts on that part [29-Jul-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 if you produce both O and ALO on deimos, what do you carry on the return trip? [29-Jul-24 05:47 PM] jcheung#0000 if you buy your O, you bring O in each time you sell AL [29-Jul-24 05:47 PM] revoric#0000 carbon i still need to trip for the short term [29-Jul-24 05:47 PM] revoric#0000 atleast untill i get the license to buy from the local market or contracts [29-Jul-24 05:49 PM] jcheung#0000 honestly even with pro you'll likely still get C from ANT, most of the time [29-Jul-24 05:50 PM] revoric#0000 fair, that saying i just realised i forgot C on my latest and first shipment XD [29-Jul-24 05:50 PM] jcheung#0000 you'll probably also want FLX [29-Jul-24 05:50 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe [29-Jul-24 05:51 PM] revoric#0000 if its cheap then al then prolly [29-Jul-24 05:53 PM] revoric#0000 155 726 on alu so ill pick some up [29-Jul-24 05:55 PM] revoric#0000 make my last carbon go further [29-Jul-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. so what i did here was run up a couple designs in prunplanner (maybe can walk you through how to use it in a bit) with a couple little disclaimers. my CX price settings are set to worse case CX prices are fluid, so profit margins may differ from day to day img 1) 2 COL 5 EXT 11 SME, 39,191 profit/d; balanced to minimize imports with 3/3 expert split between metallurgy/resource extraction. img 2) 6 EXT, 12 SME, drop one STO (bit iffy on this one), 43,786 profit/d; balanced to minimize imports with 4/2 expert split between metallurgy/resource extraction. img 3) full send SME, 60,627 profit. importing more than one shipload a day in feedstock. feels shocks from CX a lot. 5 metallurgy experts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1267617809920299059/image.png?ex=6814a5d5&is=68135455&hm=1fdac561809bfcdee7b661b1b064aa1ca78dce21c3316ac26ab2a0e67226426f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1267617810193055815/image.png?ex=6814a5d5&is=68135455&hm=df2a38ad0fb8ccb37553c03b6d6b8b4c14ca741766b9f5028beea390338ee72f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1267617810536726668/image.png?ex=6814a5d5&is=68135455&hm=ea56c80e5ed2246426c2142ea823e8c7feddd43cea3246e67066f16c2e2c560f& [29-Jul-24 06:02 PM] revoric#0000 i see thats powerfull tool knowing how to use it [29-Jul-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 there's a few things at play here... and some tradeoffs 1) ALO is simply more valuable than O, which is why 1 and 2 have a difference 2) both EXT and COL do not match the COCG of deimos, so they don't get a very large boost to their work speed, which means that your workforce consumables per unit produced is higher, and your output per day is lower 3) if you eliminate both, it comes with a large downside of your current logistics being nearly saturated 4) if you go pure SME, or even rely on CX more for feed, you're more at the whim of the CX pricing for feed [29-Jul-24 06:05 PM] jcheung#0000 now, additional disclaimer [29-Jul-24 06:06 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm also only like a month and some change in, so do not rely on everything i say [29-Jul-24 06:06 PM] revoric#0000 i mean eveything you have said makes sence, i apreciate the knowlage [29-Jul-24 06:07 PM] jcheung#0000 now depending on how long you plan on remaining free [29-Jul-24 06:07 PM] revoric#0000 till thursday lol [29-Jul-24 06:07 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, okay. well then never mind ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jul-24 06:08 PM] revoric#0000 broke my toe and work wont let me in till i can put on a shoe so im broke, romate gets paid thursday lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Jul-24 06:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i was about to give advice that would have some people raising their pitchforks and torches if you were planning on longer [29-Jul-24 06:08 PM] revoric#0000 XD, lets hear it anyway just to incide violence [29-Jul-24 06:12 PM] jcheung#0000 basically, you really want to match COGC (you might notice me spell this differently repeatedly, because i can't ever freakin remember the order of it) of the planet if you're able to, but there are some cases where you can break that if you have good reason to... like, for example, those EXTs and COLs you were looking at-it reduces your logistical tail, by a lot sometimes. if you remain free, it may be worth considering temporarily placing some additional stuff that doesn't match COGC like a PP2 which makes parts you need for construction. if you pick the right pieces to make, you can save more than what other buildings can make-but it'll be very dependant on CX costs for some things [29-Jul-24 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 aaand i just realized the profit numbers are skewed high on this because dummy forgot to reset a custom override for ALO buy price. oops. [29-Jul-24 06:13 PM] revoric#0000 i tend to play very vertical when it comes to mmo games like this, in starbase i slingshot myself to a moon 34 hours away to do my "own" thing XD [29-Jul-24 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 ratios should still be similar though [29-Jul-24 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 vertical is good, but make sure you don't put the cart before the horse [29-Jul-24 06:14 PM] revoric#0000 i apreaciate all this information. naturally dont want to break myself [29-Jul-24 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 especially early stage [29-Jul-24 06:15 PM] revoric#0000 i wont be to hurt if i softlock myself once or twice. but would prefer to not. i would love to make it to making colonys on some grey planets. [29-Jul-24 06:15 PM] jcheung#0000 also if you have a good plan forward, you can also apply for a grant to get a kickstart in #agp-information i would reserve about a quarter of the grant for consumables and unexpected expenses... and hold that for a couple days to a week [29-Jul-24 06:16 PM] revoric#0000 makes sence [29-Jul-24 06:16 PM] jcheung#0000 i, uh, may have dug myself into a bit of a hole while using grant + other loans and needed more loans to dig out because i hit unexpected costs ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jul-24 06:16 PM] revoric#0000 it happens! [29-Jul-24 06:16 PM] jcheung#0000 as it turns out, planning to spend down to your last 5,000 credits isn't a very wise thing ๐Ÿค” [29-Jul-24 06:17 PM] revoric#0000 yeah im already in the same boat, but no loans yet lol [29-Jul-24 06:20 PM] jcheung#0000 if you're currently stuck, i can bump you a little bit [29-Jul-24 06:27 PM] revoric#0000 i wouldnt say no to it if its possible , though i *could* wait for my EXT to make alo for a week. [29-Jul-24 06:28 PM] jcheung#0000 how much money do you have currently, and what's got you stuck [29-Jul-24 06:31 PM] revoric#0000 2226 i spent too much on building suppies before carbon, so i have 10 carbon and some flux on the way from ant to smelt some more. really just carbon and oxygen to make use of my one smelter currently. im less stuck and more waiting for small batch things, though im probably loosing fuel. the faction contracts have me with a safe surplus and im burning slow. [29-Jul-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 you have anything at ANT currently, commodity wise [29-Jul-24 06:32 PM] jcheung#0000 even if it's the C you just bought [29-Jul-24 06:34 PM] revoric#0000 eveythings in flight and my ant warehouse is empty. ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jul-24 06:34 PM] jcheung#0000 how about ship, are they both in flight/not at ANT? [29-Jul-24 06:34 PM] revoric#0000 yes [29-Jul-24 06:34 PM] revoric#0000 one inflight to ant the other comming from lol [29-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 *grumble* [29-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, here's what we'r going to do then [29-Jul-24 06:35 PM] revoric#0000 some raw ore and stuff to sell [29-Jul-24 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 we're going to launder some GL [29-Jul-24 06:35 PM] revoric#0000 sounds fun [29-Jul-24 06:36 PM] jcheung#0000 okay. i want you to open a couple of buffers [29-Jul-24 06:37 PM] jcheung#0000 CXOB GL.AI1 CXPO GL.AI1 x2 [29-Jul-24 06:38 PM] jcheung#0000 in one CXPO buffer, i want you to place an order for the most GL you can afford, which should be... 272/u [29-Jul-24 06:39 PM] jcheung#0000 in the second, set the price to 379/u and hang out. [29-Jul-24 06:39 PM] jcheung#0000 the CXOB is for you to look to see when your order is removed so you can cycle to the next [29-Jul-24 06:39 PM] revoric#0000 so buy 8 then sell for 379 [29-Jul-24 06:40 PM] jcheung#0000 yep. this number will climb each cycle [29-Jul-24 06:40 PM] revoric#0000 i see [29-Jul-24 06:43 PM] revoric#0000 you got me to 10k ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jul-24 06:43 PM] jcheung#0000 we're gonna go a little more [29-Jul-24 06:43 PM] revoric#0000 ok [29-Jul-24 06:43 PM] jcheung#0000 say... eh. 20k total? [29-Jul-24 06:44 PM] revoric#0000 that would pay for my previous bad decisions โค๏ธ [29-Jul-24 06:45 PM] jcheung#0000 basically. i can't do this all the time but a quick bump to get you going at the start will make it more enjoyable for you (probably) [29-Jul-24 06:45 PM] revoric#0000 i already love this game, just hvae to make it though the grind and traps [29-Jul-24 06:45 PM] revoric#0000 20k has arrived [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] revoric#0000 close enough atleast lol i apriciate you! [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] jcheung#0000 i was about to say i thought you were at 16k [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] revoric#0000 19 now [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] revoric#0000 19.7 lol [29-Jul-24 06:46 PM] revoric#0000 any more and we would have overshot [29-Jul-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bcCX3.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/guidelines-theyre-like-guidelines-shout-angry-gif-15363717 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aGVB2dRhwYPb7ekDCyPLduCKy8T1K5BuyaGJCuwgoKk/https/media.tenor.com/W4-xxWL5XEIAAAAe/guidelines-theyre-like-guidelines.png [29-Jul-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 well, if you're happy. anyways, good luck [29-Jul-24 06:47 PM] revoric#0000 thanks! [29-Jul-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 if you don't have luxuries yet (COF, PWO) i suggest picking up a couple units of each ๐Ÿ˜‰ [29-Jul-24 06:49 PM] revoric#0000 โค๏ธ literally already in my warehouse thanks to you [29-Jul-24 06:50 PM] xtc69#0000 sounds like me lol [29-Jul-24 07:21 PM] finestone#0000 I had this same problem. You have to go to planet search and create the plan from there [29-Jul-24 07:21 PM] revoric#0000 ahh [29-Jul-24 07:27 PM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a1526686-624c-4073-822f-2dd7f425e5ce this is an example build i made yesterday for someone. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a1526686-624c-4073-822f-2dd7f425e5ce PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [29-Jul-24 07:27 PM] finestone#0000 on Deimos [29-Jul-24 07:29 PM] finestone#0000 The farm/Inc is not necassry but they wanted to make thier own carbon [29-Jul-24 07:30 PM] revoric#0000 its a smart thing to do, it costs almost as much as one AL [29-Jul-24 07:30 PM] finestone#0000 Yes but 1 carbon makes 4 AL [29-Jul-24 07:33 PM] finestone#0000 Also 1 Col is fine for O but no Rigs buying water is much cheaper on market for the oppurtunity cost. [29-Jul-24 07:34 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ no STO eh? [29-Jul-24 07:35 PM] finestone#0000 on deimos? nah you are close to market and can just rent from warehouse? [29-Jul-24 07:39 PM] jcheung#0000 so here's what i would do to slightly optimize things, personally... https://prunplanner.org/shared/ed255c3c-886c-43c0-a164-6bb8b5ca6b15 add a STO drop the COL add one EXT drop one FRM drop two INC add two SME drop one metallurgy expert add one resource extraction expert [29-Jul-24 07:40 PM] finestone#0000 ^this is good though again no STO [29-Jul-24 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 or if you want to really ride things close and not have a STO, replace STO with another SME [29-Jul-24 07:40 PM] finestone#0000 just rent 3 warehouse space [29-Jul-24 07:40 PM] finestone#0000 and you will have plenty of storage [29-Jul-24 07:40 PM] jcheung#0000 heh [29-Jul-24 07:42 PM] finestone#0000 why would you have him spend almost 30k as a new player when he could spend 300 a week [29-Jul-24 07:43 PM] finestone#0000 if you are on a planet with 1 warehouse max or far away from market it makes more sense but he is on deimos [29-Jul-24 07:43 PM] jcheung#0000 not sure where you're seeing those numbers at [29-Jul-24 07:43 PM] finestone#0000 building an STO [29-Jul-24 07:44 PM] finestone#0000 compared to renting 3 warehouses [29-Jul-24 07:44 PM] jcheung#0000 because it's worth it? [29-Jul-24 07:45 PM] jcheung#0000 or rather, can be worth it? [29-Jul-24 07:45 PM] finestone#0000 How is that worth it? [29-Jul-24 07:45 PM] finestone#0000 he can build a building with that space that produces way more than 300 per week [29-Jul-24 07:45 PM] jcheung#0000 sure, and what are you using it for here again? [29-Jul-24 07:46 PM] finestone#0000 30k cash i guess? [29-Jul-24 07:46 PM] jcheung#0000 it's very useful for giving you longer periods before you have to focus on deimos [29-Jul-24 07:46 PM] finestone#0000 but again he isnt losing space [29-Jul-24 07:46 PM] finestone#0000 he can rent warehouse [29-Jul-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 without a STO you have to be on it every 3-4 days no matter what-if you have other things that you need done, you can't let deimos slip [29-Jul-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 even with rentals you need to manually move things over [29-Jul-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 the base isn't going to feed itself out of warehouse even if it's shutting down [29-Jul-24 07:47 PM] jcheung#0000 want to go on vacation for a week? rip. [29-Jul-24 07:48 PM] finestone#0000 okay thats a good point still probably not worth it for new player [29-Jul-24 07:48 PM] tanda#0000 STO's are invaluable and you will want to make space for them [29-Jul-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 but I didn't have one for like a month [29-Jul-24 07:49 PM] jcheung#0000 now if this was a base that was sub-100/d i/o i would say "sure, work out of CM" [29-Jul-24 07:49 PM] finestone#0000 understood your saying since its 500 space it should have a STO [29-Jul-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 it's alright if you want to make it about step 4-5 of filling out a base (after all if you can't fill it up, there's no point having it) [29-Jul-24 07:50 PM] finestone#0000 I will provide 300 space examples in future ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jul-24 07:50 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, i'm also for sure not saying it has to be the first building [29-Jul-24 10:14 PM] riseoffilth#0000 For fear of typing out an essay, just wanted to say, I'm still looking for any folks, especially new players (with PRO) to make some investments/loans in for some industries I'm particularly interested in. Looking for manufacturing, Smelting, construction, and chemistry. DM me if you got some permits and are interested (or are low level, I can get ya mats for HQ upgrades) [29-Jul-24 10:33 PM] finestone#0000 I will be working in Metallurgy, Electronics, and probably get into Chem what did you have in mind? [29-Jul-24 10:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Specifically, looking for someone to drop on Nascent to process GRN/mats into C, extract ALO [29-Jul-24 10:34 PM] finestone#0000 I currently have a large TI operation i am setting up afer that some SD then pretty open [29-Jul-24 10:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Then looking for someone to smelt additional AL [29-Jul-24 10:34 PM] riseoffilth#0000 As far as chem, looking to have someone to expand PG production with a base of POLs [29-Jul-24 10:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 maybe a CHP base to produce SC, PFE, and other fun chem items [29-Jul-24 10:36 PM] tanda#0000 there's a project and support in ADI for the PG base as well [29-Jul-24 10:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/not-enough-batman-not-good-ben-affleck-gif-9286385 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/not-enough-batman-not-good-ben-affleck-gif-9286385 Not Enough https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/IQFxGBIfI6IbiIXwnmyPxlBC1SdQ8t8U8yHEF9RxgVI/https/media.tenor.com/CSd45qcUqBEAAAAe/not-enough-batman.png [29-Jul-24 10:41 PM] finestone#0000 After TI and Software. I was Planning a chem base: AML for TAI processing: with CHP for SC. You are in the market for PFE as well? [29-Jul-24 10:44 PM] finestone#0000 Also i was told you may know if there is a market for SEQ [29-Jul-24 10:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 imo, not at all. Absolutely not. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Jul-24 10:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Hospitals are bad POPI , and drones are largely unused throughout the game [29-Jul-24 10:48 PM] riseoffilth#0000 So TAI and ZR are 2 items Im looking to source, or create a supply of, as you said, explicitly for SC production. I need ZR production increased for my use as well, so im buying that [29-Jul-24 10:48 PM] finestone#0000 what do you mean by POPI sad about drones. [29-Jul-24 10:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And yes, PFE is profitable at a rate I think the market and governors like me will use [29-Jul-24 10:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 id like to see a greater market supply [29-Jul-24 10:49 PM] finestone#0000 I will have a TAI EXT running very soon [29-Jul-24 10:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 POPI is population infrastructure. It is a blanket term for buildings made on planets to allow fulfillment to provide happiness and sustain larger workforces and highend workers [29-Jul-24 10:50 PM] finestone#0000 understood thanks for clarifcation. [29-Jul-24 10:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 you are now on my list ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jul-24 10:53 PM] finestone#0000 I will let you know as soon as its setup. Any idea on amounts (TAI) your looking for? and price your willing to pay? [29-Jul-24 10:59 PM] finestone#0000 Hence why i was going to reprocess it there wasnt really a market for the minerals only the TA [29-Jul-24 11:00 PM] finestone#0000 due to the up front capitol cost of AML that's understandable. [29-Jul-24 11:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 well, my goal is not to use it personally (the TAI) [29-Jul-24 11:11 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i was hoping to find someone wanting to build AMLs, help them fund the base, because im rich in afabs, and then find a TAI source [29-Jul-24 11:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and just connect the metaphorical wire [29-Jul-24 11:12 PM] finestone#0000 I have a TAI source and want to build AMLs [29-Jul-24 11:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme-step-brothers-best-friends-besties-best-friend-gif-23405805 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme-step-brothers-best-friends-besties-best-friend-gif-23405805 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tpJCKOXr4Qs98l6Q9YDhjv8EREfNzuJLCvcWNPkvTu8/https/media.tenor.com/AVgp2MWVZv4AAAAe/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅณ [29-Jul-24 11:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 for ease of logistics, it is my preference that the AML base be on Bober. How do you feel about that [29-Jul-24 11:16 PM] finestone#0000 I will check it out. finishing up work atm [29-Jul-24 11:17 PM] finestone#0000 where is bober [29-Jul-24 11:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 next to ANT [29-Jul-24 11:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 ZV-307b [29-Jul-24 11:19 PM] finestone#0000 ahh wonderful yes that will work fine I am on phobos and TAI will come from WU070 going to market, so easy. [29-Jul-24 11:22 PM] finestone#0000 Give me some time to get my TI operation rolling and then we can discuss a possible loan so i can build the AML as i dont have the capitol to do so. [29-Jul-24 11:29 PM] finestone#0000 2 CHP 1 AML Seems well balanced with 1 SC 2 CA producing 51 SC per day (max experts) [29-Jul-24 11:32 PM] finestone#0000 so that would be the starting point and i would have enough TAI for constant production and have room for expansion let me know your thoughts [29-Jul-24 11:32 PM] finestone#0000 Problem is CC estimates 2mil start up cost. [29-Jul-24 11:34 PM] finestone#0000 with the pricy parts being ABH ADE ASE RBH RDE RSE and TSH [30-Jul-24 12:09 AM] finestone#0000 @riseoffilth Also according to Planner PFE is not very profitable at all [30-Jul-24 12:11 AM] riseoffilth#0000 my advice is to max out the planet BOBER for all AMLs [30-Jul-24 12:11 AM] riseoffilth#0000 and then a separate planet for CHPs [30-Jul-24 12:11 AM] finestone#0000 whys that [30-Jul-24 12:12 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Because to make PFE, you need REA, which requires BRM [30-Jul-24 12:12 AM] riseoffilth#0000 BRM is very large [30-Jul-24 12:12 AM] riseoffilth#0000 the best setup involves having 2 players work together, one with a RES base on location for BRM, another with a CHP base turning it into REA [30-Jul-24 12:13 AM] riseoffilth#0000 that way you have cheap access to BRM, and can mass produce REA and just import AMM [30-Jul-24 12:13 AM] riseoffilth#0000 KI-840c is such a planet [30-Jul-24 12:14 AM] riseoffilth#0000 math says that each permit makes about 40-45k/day profit with PFE sale price of 450/u and an AMM cost of 100/u [30-Jul-24 12:18 AM] finestone#0000 BRM is mined? [30-Jul-24 12:18 AM] riseoffilth#0000 it is indeed [30-Jul-24 12:20 AM] finestone#0000 BRM seems to be the profit in this chain with current market [30-Jul-24 12:20 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [30-Jul-24 12:21 AM] finestone#0000 regardless having 2 planets maxes with AML and CHP is certainly a goal to attain [30-Jul-24 12:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 if you wanna move it... [30-Jul-24 12:21 AM] riseoffilth#0000 500 mined a day, with a 2.5ton weight [30-Jul-24 12:21 AM] evany.#0000 only 5 starter ships a day [30-Jul-24 12:21 AM] evany.#0000 just gotta build 3 more starter ships and smash your head into a wall [30-Jul-24 12:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 buying BRM at market is for idiots who have no friends and fewer braincells [30-Jul-24 12:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-said-what-i-said-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-you-heard-me-yeah-i-said-it-gif-16483625 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-said-what-i-said-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-you-heard-me-yeah-i-said-it-gif-16483625 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zBZf8aa-QaHOTOe4nnk_avQ91VYe20oPTX8xv_xglUA/https/media.tenor.com/oHXm6PhzdpwAAAAe/i-said-what-i-said-snoop-dogg.png [30-Jul-24 12:22 AM] evany.#0000 to be fair thats a lot of items in this game [30-Jul-24 12:22 AM] evany.#0000 its thanks to those idiots that we can be so profitable [30-Jul-24 12:23 AM] finestone#0000 I see the Market price for BRM is what is throwing the calculations off. [30-Jul-24 12:25 AM] evany.#0000 yeah like was said though its because no one buys brm publically it seems [30-Jul-24 12:26 AM] finestone#0000 REA base has to be on site with the BRM i understand now [30-Jul-24 12:27 AM] riseoffilth#0000 yessir [30-Jul-24 12:27 AM] jcheung#0000 well. highly recommended anyways [30-Jul-24 12:31 AM] finestone#0000 moving back here you wouldnt want a 1 AML 2 CHP to start? [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 neg [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 max AMLs, maybe room for 1-2chp after that [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] evany.#0000 as someone that recently had that conversation [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 but max amls, because processing TAI and ZR [30-Jul-24 12:32 AM] evany.#0000 i was told how stupid i was for even trying to put chp on bober [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] evany.#0000 aml on bober - chp on zv639d [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/we-gonna-fight-wayne-brady-gravedigger-black-lightning-lets-fight-gif-18328639 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/we-gonna-fight-wayne-brady-gravedigger-black-lightning-lets-fight-gif-18328639 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_46j07Nj3xjRK6eNIPAOV1s-D8D-dyYNHE6Y7XT5zoQ/https/media.tenor.com/8W7AsRhFjUoAAAAe/we-gonna-fight-wayne-brady.png [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] riseoffilth#0000 i swear to god [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] finestone#0000 sure but we are talking about 2 Mil compared to 11 mil. [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] evany.#0000 zv639d has local access to N for productions easing logistics and is closer to y our ice station for water source [30-Jul-24 12:33 AM] riseoffilth#0000 you put a base on Deimos-D, we are squarin up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] riseoffilth#0000 no [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] riseoffilth#0000 fuck you [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] riseoffilth#0000 stop [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/letter-kenny-pitter-patter-shirt-off-gif-13204463 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/letter-kenny-pitter-patter-shirt-off-gif-13204463 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fU2wzoaskNsNck0jhI7-i034zmhKfH_yd1CYCQ9y5os/https/media.tenor.com/nfrVBXjFjw8AAAAe/letter-kenny-pitter-patter.png [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] riseoffilth#0000 go to Elon, go to electronica, go to KI-840c, go to griffonstone, go to griffonstone jr (ls-300D) [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] evany.#0000 griffonstone [30-Jul-24 12:34 AM] evany.#0000 this aint no harry potter [30-Jul-24 12:35 AM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rBBWxH4nyYjk-zuX1PcsYRI1z8GMfbDsJ82-YzdL-zw/https/media.tenor.com/TPXMriXwLD4AAAAe/lets-go-the-rock.png [30-Jul-24 12:35 AM] evany.#0000 look at this nerd riding around on his broom [30-Jul-24 12:35 AM] evany.#0000 adults are talking sir [30-Jul-24 12:35 AM] riseoffilth#0000 i didnt name it man [30-Jul-24 12:41 AM] finestone#0000 there isnt really a negative to deconstructing in this game but i guess if you are trying to front the 11 mil idc [30-Jul-24 12:42 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean, there is if you do it often [30-Jul-24 12:42 AM] finestone#0000 sure we are not referring to often tho [30-Jul-24 12:42 AM] finestone#0000 experts being the only real contributor [30-Jul-24 12:43 AM] finestone#0000 even tho if your rotating to the same industry does it matter at all? [30-Jul-24 01:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 that would be insanity [30-Jul-24 01:27 AM] finestone#0000 me confused [30-Jul-24 09:31 AM] riseoffilth#0000 tearing up and down an entire base regularly just so you dont have to move things [30-Jul-24 04:06 PM] finestone#0000 hmmmm i wasnt referencing that but thats an interesting concept say if you planned to do it once a month [30-Jul-24 04:09 PM] realharvey#0000 don't do it [30-Jul-24 04:10 PM] realharvey#0000 rebuilding the base will always cost you extra material [30-Jul-24 04:10 PM] realharvey#0000 its also quite a chore [30-Jul-24 04:39 PM] finestone#0000 haha okay. i was just referencing starting points. Rise was saying 2 CHP 1 AML is not good because i should have a full planet of AML and a full planet of CHP. My point was scaling with capitol. So as i get more assest i can decon the CHP and move them to another planet. [30-Jul-24 04:43 PM] realharvey#0000 Depending on the availability of the Inputs on the CX this can be the right choice [30-Jul-24 04:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh yeah, that's fine. It wasn't clear what you wanted to do [30-Jul-24 04:46 PM] finestone#0000 yeah i just dont have 20 mil to setup two full CHP and AML planets with 2 hq upgrades XD [30-Jul-24 04:46 PM] finestone#0000 I am big noob [30-Jul-24 04:47 PM] finestone#0000 Inputs needed outside of consumables would only be MG and LST which i assume have okay avail [31-Jul-24 04:15 AM] avalock#0000 @razenpok maybeโ€ฆ i gotta sell a lot of my minerals rn {Reactions} Businesscat [31-Jul-24 07:07 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Anyone have a recommendation for me, at which HP% is it worth repairing you're ships? [31-Jul-24 07:07 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 My starters are getting into the mid 80's% [31-Jul-24 07:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 80% is when ships start slowing down [31-Jul-24 07:28 PM] jcheung#0000 Do we know what the repair cost calcs are? [31-Jul-24 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Is it like max(round(cost to build * (1 - condition)),1)? [31-Jul-24 07:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Or is it like round up/ round down [31-Jul-24 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Or something else entirely [31-Jul-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 do you mean this for buildings or ships? [31-Jul-24 07:50 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [31-Jul-24 07:50 PM] jcheung#0000 though in this context, i'm more curious about ships [31-Jul-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 well I know there's the repair sheet for buildings [31-Jul-24 07:51 PM] .shiva.#0000 buildings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit PrUn repair guide https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6SQhWXjMlVJ4fPNUCYSuZ5v21Om6VbvH4uYm65i0A6E/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyIALAL8ABJd5rjEl6dHu9oRujAhYVjEs-VvbUkUk9qti2Zvuqg_HCBmeJn-U3XuB5LvXYJdv7gmjnjU27nwW8-YU3ow7YrhXdhPzM3rWL6SVqDb48GZ%3Dw1200-h630-p [31-Jul-24 07:52 PM] tanda#0000 yes, that one [31-Jul-24 07:52 PM] .shiva.#0000 I haven't seen anything for ships [31-Jul-24 07:53 PM] .shiva.#0000 there's a fixed cost + scaling cost iirc though [31-Jul-24 07:53 PM] jcheung#0000 ooookay then. "something else entirely" ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Jul-24 07:56 PM] .shiva.#0000 ships do seem roughly along the lines of the fixed (12 MFK + 8 FLP) & dmg% * Total Plates, dmg% * Total SSC [03-Aug-24 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 Is there anyone with a stepped up water base in SE-110? [03-Aug-24 12:40 PM] tanda#0000 and I mean with extra capacity to support a HYF [03-Aug-24 02:14 PM] evany.#0000 lets talk.. i was looking at building one today for my HYF i wanna deploy too [03-Aug-24 04:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Looking to get someone new into AFC, an Antares based RAT/FIM/MEA collaborative project, as a chemistry/lab base, DM me if interested [03-Aug-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I keep saying Imma build in SE-110, but I only have INC there atm lol [03-Aug-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 I think I'm doing that inside of two weeks [03-Aug-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have plans for HYF and ISA water, but I keep doing other things [03-Aug-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 and now I need more HQ lvls and need RFABs so I've been chilling [03-Aug-24 09:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 anywho @avalock eta on TIO ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Aug-24 09:04 PM] avalock#0000 180 at uhhhhhhhhh [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 antares [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 rn [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 sorry I'm not allowed to talk [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 I'm not sober [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 <3 [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ooh welp I might want to buy in the future ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 i make 50/day [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 I would like to increase the uhm [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 produhctio0n [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 at somepoiint [03-Aug-24 09:05 PM] avalock#0000 :) [03-Aug-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 okkkk [03-Aug-24 09:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 we can talk about it more later ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Aug-24 09:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @jvaler If I'm recruiting for CULT, do I put it in a seperate UFO post or like under the ADI recruitment post ? [03-Aug-24 09:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I guess I can do a mention under the recruitment post too [03-Aug-24 10:48 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 There's 2 more open slots for PPP in case any new players here are interested in free* money #ppp-information [03-Aug-24 11:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its a good deal [04-Aug-24 12:10 AM] jvaler#0000 CULT isn't it's own group so it wouldn't get a recruitment board post, and i'd like to keep the ADI post clean... [04-Aug-24 12:10 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe a post on the UFO deals board? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 03:07 AM] finestone#0000 Can i join CULT? [04-Aug-24 09:57 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Aug-24 09:57 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Which project would you like to participate in ? [04-Aug-24 09:57 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 #kevin-information or #ppp-information ? [04-Aug-24 11:05 AM] tanda#0000 if you're looking to have a direct benefit from joining CULT I recommend PPP, as that's where our corp HQ is and PG makes a lot of money [04-Aug-24 01:20 PM] finestone#0000 I would like to join the PPP operation can i have 2 EXT though (was planning a base there just wanted some AUO and MGS) [04-Aug-24 01:21 PM] finestone#0000 Antares Prosperity Union (CULT) is a corp working with ADI members to help the AI1 CX and anybody in Antares using it by coordinating collective base construction to produce either overvalued or underproduced goods. I want to join because i agree with this statement! ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Aug-24 01:22 PM] finestone#0000 I already am set up to start providing TI to the market and future plans of SC [04-Aug-24 01:26 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah sure, talk to @sidepipe about getting the loan to build the base [04-Aug-24 01:27 PM] sidepipe#0000 These are the 2.1M ones, correct? [04-Aug-24 01:27 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah [04-Aug-24 01:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 @finestone for the PP base, we offer a loan of 2.1M. I think DvorakDwarf has the blueprint, but that should pay for the base and consumables to get you up and running. The loan is 0% interest, 60 days for repayment! [04-Aug-24 01:30 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b95023be-6403-4751-bb2d-4299f0b709d9 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [04-Aug-24 01:32 PM] finestone#0000 Understood i agree to the terms and will work on getting the base set up and providing PG to the market [04-Aug-24 01:33 PM] finestone#0000 I see we get MG from LM do we have a source for the H? [04-Aug-24 01:33 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 No, get it from CX [04-Aug-24 01:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 We didn't think that H.AI1 would be affected so we didn't get any dedicated H base [04-Aug-24 01:34 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I think there might be some #internal-offers for H if you are interested [04-Aug-24 01:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 Paid out the loan! Go forth and make antares proud ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Aug-24 01:41 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 @finestone Oh yeah also catch this corp invite. We have a corp HQ on Elon so you can pump out 10% more PG [04-Aug-24 01:42 PM] finestone#0000 Thank you, I will do my best! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 04:50 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 @sidepipe are there any plans for a food production planet in KI-446 to go along with Demeter? [04-Aug-24 04:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 sounds... familiar... let me see. [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 COME TO HERMES!!!!!! [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 PLEASE WE'RE SO LONELY {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฉ [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 KI-448b Hermes [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yes... BUT [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You'll need FTL servicing, if you don't have it. [04-Aug-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 i promise to take care of your base! you'll get ALL the population programs! {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฉ [04-Aug-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm pretty sure that you have to actually make an effort to not have FTL servicing {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Aug-24 04:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 AGRI --> FP COGCs --- likely involves some hybrid bases individually, although in a group, you could make do with full COGC bases. [04-Aug-24 04:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 different systems.... FTL is mandated at some point in the chains [04-Aug-24 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 You kind of start with two ships with ftl capes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Aug-24 04:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'm speaking of scaled gains. [04-Aug-24 04:55 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/yay-screaming-excited-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-12412662 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yay-screaming-excited-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-12412662 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d-2FZCgcyW-1vcrKJkfsEBEKFLMtfRlfsbSWGilMSoM/https/media.tenor.com/NT42PcfTK2UAAAAe/yay-screaming.png [04-Aug-24 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Quite often it's actually more efficient regarding transit time to jump to the next system over as well, if you're trying to save fuel. And if you're redlining your fuel consumption, well... then it doesn't really matter if there's a ftl component does it [04-Aug-24 04:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Someone dedicating, lets say, a 2k t/m3 FTL, for their AGRI/FP sheet, will only be using it like 1/3 --> 1/2 of the time... You can bring others on board, like 1-2 of them... With max 2, you can make true gains from such a thing. [04-Aug-24 04:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Totally SUS, right now. [04-Aug-24 04:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You're quite a bit away, from any CX.... Do you stockpile fuel, over there, or does it just magically appear? [04-Aug-24 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Ironically if you're far from cx, you want more ftl not less [04-Aug-24 04:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's also costs... I can bill a client like x amount, for a standard, 2k t/m3 burn, from one planet to another. If I max STL burn... Well you're now adding a factor of a magnitude to that cost. If you burn to much, you'll now stuck at your destination. [04-Aug-24 04:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Ff is easier to pack than stl [04-Aug-24 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 memes aside, the rest of the planets in the KI-446 system are pretty hostile. hermes really is the cheapest to build on in comparison. plus it's already got infrastructure placed down by me [04-Aug-24 04:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 YES.... BUT (this stuff still ain't really modeled). [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your fuel usages are in percentages of current stock in your tanks..... This applies when there are minimum rates, between planets/systems. [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Interestingly PrunPlanner isn't registering Hermes COGC [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] jvaler#0000 odd [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Drop a manual override. [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] jvaler#0000 it's food industries [04-Aug-24 05:00 PM] jcheung#0000 I think prunplanner is still suffering from political update [04-Aug-24 05:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And FIO logins via web. [04-Aug-24 05:01 PM] jvaler#0000 oh my FIO has been accidentally logged out for a long time, that may also be why [04-Aug-24 05:01 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^^^^ [04-Aug-24 05:02 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Yeah not a problem but the reason for me asking is because when using the planet finder I couldn't see and FP planets in YONKS [04-Aug-24 05:02 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Okay okay I come! Yippee! [04-Aug-24 05:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I memorize the names of planets I want... Simply plugin via anthing, Prunplanner, FIO, Prunner (yes I still use local instance). [04-Aug-24 05:02 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah i've learned not to trust planet search tools when it comes to CoGCs, unfortunately [04-Aug-24 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 YES [04-Aug-24 05:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I do custom planet searches, via planet names, on a different tool. [04-Aug-24 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 umm i may have forgotten to run for gov last election, but i'll be gov in the next 10 days to run programs for you ๐Ÿ˜ฌ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [04-Aug-24 05:04 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Hahaha not a problem, I need at least as long if not more as I am impoverished [04-Aug-24 05:05 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1269778241367969893/image0.gif?ex=681498e4&is=68134764&hm=a82afd45042363cc8c7eecba8a59947b97c40510dab7fd872ecf3526c5ddba4e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Aug-24 06:01 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 One more spot in PPP if anybody else here is interested #ppp-information [07-Aug-24 03:32 AM] skyrey#0000 Anyone knows any good plants near Anteras, which are good for a Carbon-Incinerator setup, apart from Nascent? [07-Aug-24 03:41 AM] razenpok#0000 Promitor :blobsunglasses: [07-Aug-24 03:42 AM] skyrey#0000 Almost, I grow grain on Harmonia, just need a planet with an extraction bonus [07-Aug-24 03:44 AM] razenpok#0000 Halcyon can work also, as well as any other planet with ext cogc [07-Aug-24 04:22 AM] akyantor#0000 I use 759g, but that's mostly so I can get H as well as C, to then use both in various production lines. *Requires INS so not the cheapest place to base, but close to CX.* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Aug-24 07:20 AM] jvaler#0000 there should be a resource extraction CoGC in the ISA system iirc [07-Aug-24 07:21 AM] jvaler#0000 so you can get your water, ship it to HYF, then ship that to INC, all in the same system [07-Aug-24 07:21 AM] jvaler#0000 but you don't necessarily need the first 2, you could just get those later [07-Aug-24 08:21 AM] skyrey#0000 I am just wondering about aluminium ore mining on Nascent: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270733562672451675/Screenshot_2024-08-07_at_10.50.35.png?ex=6814c6da&is=6813755a&hm=f03dbc385ad89ff4078ad60241c86cb9c0285f03eb26a216cfb56bfb13a37cb8& [07-Aug-24 08:21 AM] skyrey#0000 Even without any experts: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270733648512946229/Screenshot_2024-08-07_at_10.50.25.png?ex=6814c6ee&is=6813756e&hm=f642b15e3139a660f0222eb2b43dcbe52f138c230ab830215d487eff6d42ed7a& [07-Aug-24 08:22 AM] jvaler#0000 it's good, it's just very logi intensive [07-Aug-24 08:22 AM] jvaler#0000 1 starter can only hold 370 ALO [07-Aug-24 08:22 AM] jvaler#0000 a WCB 1000 [07-Aug-24 08:22 AM] jvaler#0000 and an LCB 1481 [07-Aug-24 08:23 AM] skyrey#0000 And the price of Aluminium ore seems to be growing: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270733951941607585/Screenshot_2024-08-07_at_15.22.25.png?ex=6814c737&is=681375b7&hm=9cf113a245269bc5e21f825804557e8fa07f2b53563cc5aedadf8eda29197540& [07-Aug-24 08:23 AM] skyrey#0000 Also true, I am just wondering if I should move my Carbon processing else where [07-Aug-24 08:24 AM] jvaler#0000 nascent is a popular INC location too [07-Aug-24 08:24 AM] skyrey#0000 It is, but is it *that* worth it? [07-Aug-24 08:25 AM] jvaler#0000 the ALO deposits' yield + CoGC means you can supply a full 20 SME base with ALO and still have plenty of room left over for INC {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270734672426438676/image.png?ex=6814c7e3&is=68137663&hm=3c4988735a970ef1f5690a8c92d0fadea5c87e7a9d53b5eb6d960324745f22a9& [07-Aug-24 08:26 AM] jvaler#0000 well exactly half the room left, cause 475 area is normally 14 EXT max [07-Aug-24 08:27 AM] jvaler#0000 not sure... it's good money but again it's logi constrained remember that you can always rely on the LM for shipping though. darkfuel is a reliable CX shipper, but they only accept ads with good prices. 25-30k for a WCB/LCB trip is usually their price [07-Aug-24 08:31 AM] jvaler#0000 by reliable i mean LM shipping is the main focus of their company lmfao [07-Aug-24 08:34 AM] skyrey#0000 Noted [07-Aug-24 08:35 AM] skyrey#0000 Will keep it in mind [07-Aug-24 08:36 AM] skyrey#0000 I still have a week before I will be setting up at Nascent [07-Aug-24 08:36 AM] skyrey#0000 Will take this time to plan a bit more [07-Aug-24 08:39 AM] igfloz#0000 I've found it can help if you have another player to team with. Personally I feed into another players needs. i.e. I grow GRN for their C factory and I also mine ALO for their smelting planet. Logistics can somewhat be shared in that manner [07-Aug-24 11:15 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The ratios for Nascent, if you go full Indy experts, go about 1:2 EXT bases per SME bases, running AL processes. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270777368520429638/Screenshot_from_2024-08-07_11-10-46.png?ex=6814efa6&is=68139e26&hm=7c4ec057acfb320af7f619e1768bcbea87809bdcf52c77d16fc9ed519dcaa8cf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1270777368847323259/Screenshot_from_2024-08-07_11-12-42.png?ex=6814efa6&is=68139e26&hm=7b337b39cd86518facb7bde891e699e747085a04cf68f22e58f338b1e6c6ba6b& [07-Aug-24 11:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Not the best if you wanna export that AL, but it's good for cross product transfer between groupies, and using that extra AL for something, instead of diverting from say Deimos, or in terms of shipping, ALO -> Vulcan. [07-Aug-24 11:20 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The other two are good still. If you want more AL-ish things; just gotta pick a way of going at it. [07-Aug-24 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Halcyon? it is resource ext CoGC [07-Aug-24 11:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yea, but you need INS though for Halcyon. INC margins are kinda thin, compared to other things. My vote is Nascent, if you want the best margins for C + ALO/AL stuff. Hmm, 30k PIOs, 3k SETs. I think I'm looking at some sort of COGC change in a year or two. CON/CHM, or just keep it RES? [07-Aug-24 11:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It wont matter individually, since COGC votes are a public thing, if people make their votes every 10 days. Timeframe is like 12 months. I think I've been seeing dozens of newbros popping into APEX general chat, like 10-20, on every weekend. Lots of new people to drop bases, in like a few months, or more. [09-Aug-24 03:12 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'm not sure what to focus on, having gone through the CX to see what's in demand and of those what are selling. I only came up with a short number of commodities that looked lucrative. Besides the very basic Manufacturer entry loop of doing PE or MCG. I started working on OFF as it looks like there are a few large orders between 90-95 AIC, I can pump out around 334 per day, there's around 14k orders in that price bracket to fulfil but it's only going to net me around 14k per day [09-Aug-24 03:15 PM] evany.#0000 What starter are you on ? [09-Aug-24 03:18 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Manufacturer on Deimos [09-Aug-24 03:26 PM] evany.#0000 smelter? [09-Aug-24 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 what evayoo means by that, is that deimos has a boost to metallurgy craft speeds [09-Aug-24 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 your future expansions on deimos could take advantage of that to reduce workforce costs [09-Aug-24 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 SMEs producing AL are a popular option on deimos itself [09-Aug-24 03:40 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Oh boy, time to pull out the chart again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [09-Aug-24 03:41 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I assume this is what you mean {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271569071883948084/beginner_2024_08_06.png?ex=6814853b&is=681333bb&hm=d51e3529ef562af0aeb20baf2c5b4aedda1216b6914917118ece7ea1e69ed06f& [09-Aug-24 03:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Yeah but idk when I generated it [09-Aug-24 03:42 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 On that note, I should add the date in the title or something [09-Aug-24 03:43 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Yeah, perhaps. Glancing at the chart, assuming it's somewhat close to current - SEA would be easiest for me to start on after clearing up my OFF supplies [09-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 idk why you aren't timestamping the images already lmao [09-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 oh you said that [09-Aug-24 03:43 PM] jvaler#0000 uhh i can read i swear [09-Aug-24 03:44 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I finished working on it and then I moved on and didn't want to think more about it [09-Aug-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 real [09-Aug-24 03:44 PM] jvaler#0000 "finally, it's done." "wait but this one thing... ehh i'll do it Laterโ„ข๏ธ" [09-Aug-24 03:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980549982883037286/1066511971551293470/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980549982883037286/1066511971551293470/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980549982883037286/1066511971551293470/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif?ex=6814b7ec&is=6813666c&hm=7ec899950ae59178bdc142cf2dba9a71dae55f2a98cb9965d5ca5535beae7620& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [09-Aug-24 03:45 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You'll likely need to make SEA combined with something else because there wasn't that much demand when I looked at it last [09-Aug-24 03:45 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Though looks like the ROI on SEA isn't too great, not super high demand at the mo' either. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271570183361921147/Arc_T8pe3TRci1.png?ex=68148644&is=681334c4&hm=b4117143a04380dedf0f8054e7c658563dc7ae08009e7e0e1cacde84ad4b8a57& [09-Aug-24 03:47 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'll see how I get on with OFF for the time being [09-Aug-24 03:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Just 1 SEA ? [09-Aug-24 03:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I mean, I don't know what the demand is or what your goal is [09-Aug-24 03:48 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah it seems that'd saturate the market. ignore the 7d traded CXM figure at ANT, that's skewed by one big purchase as seen on CXPC ~153 SEA/d with 5 experts, with 20 BMPs would be ~3k SEA/d {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271570906644480164/image.png?ex=681486f0&is=68133570&hm=fc095c57a0c0c9330df6e9fe9ea32e17b9250642c4da6d36612bb34e66350bdd& [09-Aug-24 03:48 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I haven't been bothering upping that value as it looks like it calculates the max output? Or have I been wrong this entire time? [09-Aug-24 03:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 You're doing it right [09-Aug-24 03:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I don't see the issue [09-Aug-24 03:49 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Unless we are both blind [09-Aug-24 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 that's order size, not actual SEA count. the way josh has it input makes it calculate 2 BMPs running SEA recipes 24/7 [09-Aug-24 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 so that sounds right [09-Aug-24 03:50 PM] igfloz#0000 ahhh, I see, my bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Aug-24 03:50 PM] igfloz#0000 oh, gawd, now I look again, it's so obvious, lol [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I'm relieved I wasn't being silly ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] jvaler#0000 it's okay lol, i misunderstand stuff all the time too [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] igfloz#0000 nope, I was [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271571611195019365/image.png?ex=68148798&is=68133618&hm=3bb0fe32f1c28e8bfb378e9d04cc8331c194b8c1c0901b79cef3713b96d546b9& [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 My bmp set up right now [09-Aug-24 03:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's better to mix [09-Aug-24 03:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 rep sell well for their price but you don't need to make a lot of them [09-Aug-24 03:52 PM] marat_sh#0000 MCG always nice to have (sell or use yourself) [09-Aug-24 03:53 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I was eyeing up SCA-SEN, but long ways away [09-Aug-24 03:54 PM] jvaler#0000 BMP party! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271572219515895900/image.png?ex=68148829&is=681336a9&hm=5d223bd00eba85ae5739ae695dc245474ff6fd6d15b11dc7da3ef42043fb1bcb& [09-Aug-24 03:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 Focus on what you can make now as fast as you can and sell as fast as you can [09-Aug-24 03:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 I love BMPs 90% of their recipes are hella profitable [09-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr [09-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 hephaestus my beloved [09-Aug-24 03:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 on god [09-Aug-24 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean sea isn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination [09-Aug-24 03:55 PM] igfloz#0000 OMG, I like that ! [09-Aug-24 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 why is that duplicated lol [09-Aug-24 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 why not 8 REP, 12 PT, 4 MCG, 10 PE, 2 OVE, 1 EXO [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 i didn't wanna increase my order runtimes even further lol [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” you have that many queue slots? [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 it doesn't really matter since it's running 24/7 but... [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 or do you punch in manually? [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jvaler#0000 yea i think i've got the max queue slots the HQ upgrades give or something [09-Aug-24 03:58 PM] jcheung#0000 damn. nice [09-Aug-24 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271573528117772379/image.png?ex=68148961&is=681337e1&hm=0b8ff6e36ec6f7a2496c0b9cbf91fc7fe2b27db8312930c05546a08c5fe041d0& [09-Aug-24 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bhpwn.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rachel-envy-jealous-friends-not-jealous-gif-16503669 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MrA1XuuDlcwJ5lMELqlqm_wR3Ziuag5ZB40n3ZB5j-o/https/media.tenor.com/2ka0Y38IXfcAAAAe/rachel-envy.png [09-Aug-24 03:59 PM] igfloz#0000 yep, thats showing off lol [09-Aug-24 03:59 PM] jvaler#0000 :P [09-Aug-24 04:00 PM] razenpok#0000 :Yes: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271573768212582543/image.png?ex=6814899b&is=6813381b&hm=fd4ea8807b10c0af96d281ac79e7e0653e9b227a468a5e46cec8d6be96eeed6d& [09-Aug-24 04:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Hephaestus my beloved {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ (2) ๐Ÿ˜‡ (2) [09-Aug-24 04:00 PM] jcheung#0000 that's all i have on hep ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271573925578539029/image.png?ex=681489c0&is=68133840&hm=1fbc637b79458807b25d6ae2b9b7704e3eca1bfc77181647f17cd3a441a96ed6& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [09-Aug-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 ....oh, crap i need to offload stuff before the base fills up. hmmm.... [09-Aug-24 04:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 My heph base does one thing, and it does it poorly ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271574308732276806/image.png?ex=68148a1b&is=6813389b&hm=2b9ca8e341a17c99f9fcb7f30b1d4b07cfd7935e19b5f78c974c39e2593c74d2& {Reactions} Cry Cry2 blobcry ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) ๐Ÿ˜ฟ (2) ๐Ÿฅฒ [09-Aug-24 04:03 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Ok I added the date now. Also something wacky happened to SEA and RAT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271574679739564153/beginner_2024_08_09.png?ex=68148a74&is=681338f4&hm=85ea944a907be34d305ac562fdc60c07409dcb97cd7f1b063649357919f8ac33& {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [09-Aug-24 04:04 PM] jcheung#0000 why not run off something else while you wait for KV inputs? [09-Aug-24 04:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, rat price is through the roof [09-Aug-24 04:04 PM] jcheung#0000 rodents ate all the RATs [09-Aug-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 both SEA and SI have very large spreads, what method are you using to price them? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271575326715285504/image.png?ex=68148b0e&is=6813398e&hm=24653aacc12d36d9df80d70b01c3f371b63d904b2751f13d50def74abc30bf89& [09-Aug-24 04:06 PM] jvaler#0000 that could be why it turns out weird [09-Aug-24 04:06 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I don't understand what I'm missing, when I pump figures into PRUnPlanner SEA comes out terribly ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [09-Aug-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 how terrible? [09-Aug-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 comes out around 4k/BMP/d on my end and i use conservative prices [09-Aug-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 which is pretty reasonable [09-Aug-24 04:08 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 With 1 BMP. Am I misusing this tool? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271575840215269376/Arc_fG56suyhv3.png?ex=68148b89&is=68133a09&hm=71a0a2f1266ca87e01656d4721b587e4dd3d31626d0155eaeef07fe208234c21& [09-Aug-24 04:08 PM] jvaler#0000 can we see your CX settings? [09-Aug-24 04:08 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Yeah sure, should be set to AI1 [09-Aug-24 04:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 this are not currect numbers [09-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 look here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271576049708171326/image.png?ex=68148bba&is=68133a3a&hm=4ab6f68ae473bef34a99f57db86a4ce698aec47b5784f81ad1574be14655932e& [09-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 oh. those numbers still seem low [09-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 hmm [09-Aug-24 04:10 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 Should just be Ask/Ask [09-Aug-24 04:10 PM] jcheung#0000 are you set for AI1? [09-Aug-24 04:10 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm, CXOB for both those items are normal as far as i can tell [09-Aug-24 04:10 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I see, it was using NC1 avg. I didn't realise I had to click the add button {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271576485378920458/Arc_vnyuWIwYjc.png?ex=68148c22&is=68133aa2&hm=c436af89690079ea1d385adb581def02b637a810282d512163c038aef3f06f58& [09-Aug-24 04:11 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I didn't have the AI1_AVG below {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271576528383250574/Arc_OUG2yRH3sN.png?ex=68148c2d&is=68133aad&hm=77793b27ae7ab88861269a3b2cab2cb74a6d47fb8faadea1fd1b54bc9c5b375b& [09-Aug-24 04:11 PM] jvaler#0000 AVG is kinda inaccurate imo [09-Aug-24 04:12 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 On the flip side, it has now made OFF look a little better {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271576952515330058/Arc_fxSbL76xJd.png?ex=68148c92&is=68133b12&hm=50d29d1df65bc1d5379dc9c91128afa1910e1f7ed895032db7ec8b4d30fc4037& [09-Aug-24 04:14 PM] jcheung#0000 i know most people do ASK/ASK but i do this to keep my expectations reasonable ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271577382184292472/image.png?ex=68148cf8&is=68133b78&hm=115b8fa7b09d0bf7e503ddf4e77960c98e6d814d9f47df2848a823fd9d3b0b63& [09-Aug-24 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 @imjoshuarice if you don't have the liquid capital to afford the time to leave up CXOB sell orders, you'll need to sell to bids. and you similarly wouldn't have the liquidity to wait around for buy orders to fill on input materials. if this is your situation, the settings jcheung just posted should reflect that more accurately. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Aug-24 04:17 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 I've overwitten my OFF settings with the current range of SELL for OFF, should be good for 14k units I believe. I assume that's a sensible move on my part? [09-Aug-24 04:17 PM] jcheung#0000 i also manually overwrite often too [09-Aug-24 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 shortcut to it here, and also lets you do temporary changes (just have to change something on the page to get it to update) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1271578294839545906/image.png?ex=68148dd2&is=68133c52&hm=a0abbff20caed265ce6c52bef7971644b700f779d3b1071d8d6510e70944291b& [09-Aug-24 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 if you want it permanent though, don't forget to save! [09-Aug-24 04:19 PM] imjoshuarice#0000 Brilliant, that saves a few clicks. Thanks ๐Ÿ˜‰ [09-Aug-24 04:19 PM] jcheung#0000 tool is stupidly powerful ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Aug-24 08:16 PM] tanda#0000 Looks like you need someone to supply you TCL {Reactions} ๐Ÿคซ [14-Aug-24 06:43 AM] skyrey#0000 Quick quetion. I have one base and no HQ upgrades as of the moment. I assumed that the fact that my starting based has 750 area means that from the start I have 2 permits. When I build the second base I will have 500 area for both. Do all first bases have 750 area as default? I guess that I will need to upgrade the company HQ to get the second permit for a second base? [14-Aug-24 06:44 AM] revoric#0000 you have 2 permits spent on your first base currently 500 -> 750 , upgrading your base will give you another iirc [14-Aug-24 06:45 AM] skyrey#0000 What if I want to start a second base, can I reuse the second permit? [14-Aug-24 06:48 AM] skyrey#0000 I am just wondering if it is stuck at 750 area. If I can reduce it to 500 and use the permit elsewhere, it will be very convenient [14-Aug-24 06:51 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's not stuck, you just applied 2 permits, to a single base. Permit applications offer dwindling returns on base area. 1st permit to a base --- 500 area.... 2nd permit to a base --- +250 area.... 3rd permit to a base ---- +250 area. [14-Aug-24 06:52 AM] skyrey#0000 Right. The thing is that I never selected an option to apply 2 permits, it was at 750 area since the company was created [14-Aug-24 06:54 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Bugs, maybe? You can always change it by accessing your BS buffer, on the left-hand quick access bar. BUT.... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1273248256465436773/Screenshot_from_2024-08-14_06-53-03.png?ex=6814b258&is=681360d8&hm=37c988bba2d23c799900457f08ea7fb4cfbdc7df2ca2916afeb7f1cd05c77215& [14-Aug-24 06:54 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You can only remove permits, should you have more than 1 applied to a base, if you have >= 500;750 area built up. [14-Aug-24 06:55 AM] skyrey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1273248513723203676/Screenshot_2024-08-14_at_13.54.56.png?ex=6814b295&is=68136115&hm=93c17822515f0bc74c078e33ea8ed1a81946aff9ea668eff30840a91b911dad6& [14-Aug-24 06:55 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #bugs [14-Aug-24 06:56 AM] skyrey#0000 750 area, 1 permit used. Makes since as I have not upgraded the HQ for extra permits. Just wondering why 750 area then? [14-Aug-24 06:56 AM] skyrey#0000 Noted, will send a message there [14-Aug-24 06:56 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ye; best course of action... Keep doing your thing, and check up on it daily? [14-Aug-24 06:57 AM] skyrey#0000 Do not see the channel, is it on the main Prosperus Universe discord server? [14-Aug-24 06:58 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That looks like just a straight up bug, and a frustrating one. I'd hard refresh the browser to make sure it's not just a weird visual bug. If that doesn't work then I'd ping molp on the main game server [14-Aug-24 07:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a hash-tag/meme. Not a channel. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Aug-24 07:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 At least on here, lol. [14-Aug-24 07:02 AM] skyrey#0000 It has been that way since I started 44 days ago, thus it is not something that just appeared. Oddly enough it was the case when I first looked at the game almost a year ago, this is why I thought it was normal. I can try building above 500 area to see if it allows me to? [14-Aug-24 07:04 AM] skyrey#0000 Yep, still persists {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1273250791918014474/Screenshot_2024-08-14_at_14.03.42.png?ex=6814b4b4&is=68136334&hm=d102705dbd9b82a41fb558d1dc4c8aab57f7370c532205b04cf76d4f0b0a6829& [14-Aug-24 07:04 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You have 1 permit applied. Per the default metric, stated above, you're hard set at 500 area for that base. This is a GUI bug...... You can post something on the PRUN forums, and just disregard it, until it's fixed. [14-Aug-24 07:08 AM] skyrey#0000 I will make a post at the main discord server and send a ship to buy enough materials and build a farmstead. If it allows me to exceed the 500 area limit with this farmstead, I will update the post as it may be a more major of a bug [14-Aug-24 07:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It very likely won't allow you to do so. Its a graphical bug. It's actionable right now, if you just post your evidence on the main server, in the bugs channel. [14-Aug-24 07:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Rather... the forums? [14-Aug-24 07:13 AM] skyrey#0000 I will post on both [14-Aug-24 07:20 AM] skyrey#0000 Posted both on the main server and the forum [23-Aug-24 04:48 AM] cptboby#0000 so i started on harmonia with 2 FRM and 1 INC , making C , got 17+days of consumables for the workers. what would be the next logical step? [23-Aug-24 04:53 AM] jvaler#0000 next step would be to just scale up to more buildings [23-Aug-24 04:54 AM] cptboby#0000 so just make more C ? [23-Aug-24 04:54 AM] jvaler#0000 it should be most cost efficient to use the full 500 area of your base before looking at getting a second one (unless AGP grant gets involved) [23-Aug-24 04:55 AM] jvaler#0000 if that looks to be more profitable than FP, sure. i don't really keep up with RAT or C profitability though [23-Aug-24 04:55 AM] jvaler#0000 with only 1 INC atm you have plenty of freedom to pivot to whatever you'd like [23-Aug-24 04:55 AM] cptboby#0000 what is FP i cant find it in recipes [23-Aug-24 04:55 AM] jvaler#0000 prunplanner.org should be valuable in helping you determine which is more profitable [23-Aug-24 04:56 AM] jvaler#0000 that's a building [23-Aug-24 04:56 AM] jvaler#0000 `BUI FP` in a buffer [23-Aug-24 05:04 AM] laaxus#0000 oh so you're the one who took the spot [23-Aug-24 05:04 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm planning to make a base there, there were 17 spot available yesterday, but 16 now [23-Aug-24 05:05 AM] cptboby#0000 what happens when there are no spots left? [23-Aug-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 new player can still start there, but other players can't build a new base there [23-Aug-24 05:22 AM] cptboby#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1276486708409532487/image.png?ex=68149ce3&is=68134b63&hm=32ce95cd8bcf0e70262b759ba98590c19981dc8daae6b4bcfec55037dc99e50b& [23-Aug-24 05:23 AM] cptboby#0000 2FP ,8FRM ,8INC ,3RIG [23-Aug-24 05:27 AM] jvaler#0000 to optimize your setup you need to go all-in on either FP or INC, because each of those buildings are a different industry. experts make a substantial difference in productivity and you can only use the max number of experts for a single industry per base. https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html#experts {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/efficiency-factors/index.html Efficiency factors :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [23-Aug-24 05:28 AM] jvaler#0000 try running that plan again with either 5 food industries or 5 resource extraction experts [23-Aug-24 05:28 AM] jvaler#0000 (you should plan all bases assuming max experts, because as long as you keep playing you're going to inevitably get 5 experts) [23-Aug-24 05:29 AM] cptboby#0000 i have 2 Agriculture experts [23-Aug-24 05:29 AM] jvaler#0000 doesn't really matter what you have now :P [23-Aug-24 05:29 AM] jvaler#0000 you're going to get more [23-Aug-24 05:43 AM] cptboby#0000 12FP 8FRM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1276491980414779392/image.png?ex=6814a1cc&is=6813504c&hm=f5fc56d03b4803330180475230eff83950bd8eb8004a7e700c2175d1821f9d33& [23-Aug-24 05:44 AM] cptboby#0000 5 experts in Food Industries and COGC is agriculture [23-Aug-24 05:45 AM] cptboby#0000 since i have pro i can just buy water right on the planet so no need to haul. fuel seems expensive [23-Aug-24 06:07 AM] jvaler#0000 as long as you try to maximize your cargo load per trip, fuel isn't too bad [23-Aug-24 06:07 AM] jvaler#0000 FRM water in particular is incredibly easy on logistics [23-Aug-24 06:08 AM] jvaler#0000 this looks great! are you interested in an AGP grant to get this up and running faster? [23-Aug-24 06:08 AM] jvaler#0000 #agp-information [23-Aug-24 06:08 AM] cptboby#0000 yes [23-Aug-24 06:13 AM] jvaler#0000 alright i've sent you a cont [23-Aug-24 06:15 AM] cptboby#0000 did i terminate it too early? [23-Aug-24 06:17 AM] jvaler#0000 nope that's perfect [23-Aug-24 06:17 AM] cptboby#0000 ah ok thank you [23-Aug-24 09:39 AM] jcheung#0000 It's been "running out" for the whole time I've been playing. You'll be fine [23-Aug-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 we're at 15 ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Aug-24 09:39 AM] jcheung#0000 Uh huh [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] jcheung#0000 Pretty sure it was there two months ago [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 14 [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm just gonna secure my spot asap [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [23-Aug-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 if possible, in the next 3 days [23-Aug-24 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 I've been rushing my base there 2 months ago. Was at around the same count. So you probably have another 3 months at least to get a base there [23-Aug-24 09:41 AM] laaxus#0000 does base number ever go up ? [23-Aug-24 09:43 AM] realharvey#0000 Heavily depends on player inflow [23-Aug-24 10:14 AM] riseoffilth#0000 anyone interested in a free and profitable mining base? I do shipping, just send conts and make money. Planet is KI-840c, mining CUO [23-Aug-24 11:22 AM] razesdark#0000 How much ore do you need? I got a CUO base there already that has half its permit open. I could expand it [23-Aug-24 11:39 AM] riseoffilth#0000 TOO LATE! [23-Aug-24 11:39 AM] riseoffilth#0000 but a fair amount [23-Aug-24 11:40 AM] riseoffilth#0000 and the market looks like it could use some too [23-Aug-24 11:40 AM] riseoffilth#0000 so i doubt there will be an excess [23-Aug-24 11:40 AM] riseoffilth#0000 imo, if you have the shipping, id expand to put to market [23-Aug-24 12:06 PM] razesdark#0000 I probably could at this point. Half a base was more than enough when I serviced it with starter ships ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Aug-24 07:13 PM] evany.#0000 @everyone Project Shippening The primary goal is to build kits for ADI use in the WKP project. If we successfully meet this need, we could expand to selling these kits outside of ADI. Should external demand grow, we will consider selling to other producers and exploring additional market opportunities. Eventually, we might even place units on CXโ€”although demand there is currently low, itโ€™s uncertain if this is due to high prices or unmet needs. Locations: Metallurgy - Vulcan: Development will be prioritized on Vulcan, as Deimos is reserved for newer players. SKF operations may remain on Deimos due to existing workforce commitments, but most smelting and manufacturing will occur on Vulcan. Chemical - Bober / Elon: Individuals working in this area may join CULT to benefit from bonuses on Elon, but Bober is a logistically better option. Goals & Requirements: Please note that some roles are essential for the project's success, while others are optional. If we do not fill the required positions, the project will not proceed. We may adjust the availability of roles based on interest. Required Roles: SKF Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/52946850-aa35-4053-a1a5-a717fa4ed993 ASM Base x2: https://prunplanner.org/shared/26df7137-3c7d-444b-ac3a-e8e963373254 AML Base x2: https://prunplanner.org/shared/6f80f319-063a-4a37-adfb-3587e4350b9b (Bober) https://prunplanner.org/shared/df3911c7-f1a9-48df-98a4-9dd4e9cc403f (Elon) ECA Base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/5f1305d9-9599-422a-87f4-6fd5d90ab549 Vulcan SME x2: https://prunplanner.org/shared/162fa716-2284-42ad-a7c6-6e7867df783c 1x TI 1x LI TIO EXT: https://prunplanner.org/shared/600748c1-3db0-48e5-962e-700227f5ee9d Optional Roles: BER EXT: https://prunplanner.org/shared/7275fde4-b1a8-4f01-979d-040935ae1bf9 LI EXT: (Just extractors and STO, reach out if you need assistance) O EXT: (Just extractors and STO, reach out if you need assistance) Financing: These kits are being developed for ADI members and financing will be available but will be in a loan format. Loans will be handed out at 0% interest but the loan will be at 100% with no grant portion. How You Can Participate: Sign up and indicate your interest in participating by voting in the poll below. If you have a preference for a specific base, please specify your first and second choices. Even if you're not interested in running a base, but can assist in other ways, please let us know. There is a significant amount of small products that we require so if you can provide these reliably below CX pricing please reach out or mention it somewhere. Total list of products required (per day) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PnJ1PCWYt1mwwJtdCa5qLHx2YYlBJWuiS8cfjrlsb5Y/edit?usp=sharing If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to post them in this thread. [24-Aug-24 09:16 AM] avalock#0000 how much O do y'all need? [24-Aug-24 09:21 AM] jvaler#0000 > This isn't a final draft but once you have one i'm happy to post it to #announcements for you :P [24-Aug-24 09:35 AM] flor2081#0000 I'm confused, project coordinator role has perms to tag all roles and \@everyone so why cant we do that? [24-Aug-24 09:36 AM] flor2081#0000 Is that disabled in every channel seperarely? [24-Aug-24 12:11 PM] jvaler#0000 hm good point [24-Aug-24 12:12 PM] jvaler#0000 i can give y'all perms to that channel if you want [24-Aug-24 12:17 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd consider dropping a role-react channel, for anyone that got past the airlock. Letting people self-manage their server prefs would cut down on the management. Of course, some thing can be kept behind closed-doors. [24-Aug-24 12:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Info boards would be better kept as public, so that someone knows what such project is. Of course these things are best built from the bottom up. Editing channel/role perms on the fly is a messy business, that I am not involving myself in, since 5 years ago. [24-Aug-24 12:20 PM] flor2081#0000 N-no that's not what i meant [24-Aug-24 12:21 PM] flor2081#0000 I mean we cant tag roles [24-Aug-24 12:21 PM] flor2081#0000 Even tho we have perms to tag roles [24-Aug-24 12:21 PM] jcheung#0000 If it makes you feel better, i understood what you meant xflqr [24-Aug-24 12:21 PM] flor2081#0000 Yay (: [24-Aug-24 12:21 PM] realharvey#0000 I do role react channels annoying. If you forget to role yourself you are kept out of it. I just manage ping permissions per channel basis for myself. More customisation [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Say [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 What happened to the poll [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 there was a poll? [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 it's in the thread [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1276695793528475669 [24-Aug-24 12:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Oh, right [24-Aug-24 12:23 PM] jcheung#0000 @jvaler can you pin this or put it somewhere visible with low traffic? [24-Aug-24 12:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a discord thing. Any # hash tag, with a masterlock thing, has a thread. No activity on there, means no new content. Read + comment fully, and the stuff will stay up. [24-Aug-24 12:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I don't think they're meant to be as like alternate channels. Limited permissions, and what not. [24-Aug-24 12:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It would seem, as a better idea, to have different threads, for different things... A survey thread, project idea threads, advice threads, et.c. They're generally permutable. Non-admin/mod users can just prop them up --- they're meant to be disposable. [24-Aug-24 12:29 PM] jcheung#0000 I think you're missing the plot [24-Aug-24 12:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you want pins, you need a dedicated channel. [24-Aug-24 12:30 PM] jcheung#0000 I found the poll, so i could tag someone to pin it. Story's over [24-Aug-24 12:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Stuff in threads are pinnable. Pins from threads show up on main channel pins in mobile and in the thread itself on desktop [24-Aug-24 12:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yep. I've tried pinning stuff in threads on UFO, and others. Been looking into it for the past 3 days, on-and-off. I don't have a solution. :/ [24-Aug-24 01:01 PM] evany.#0000 Lol [24-Aug-24 01:02 PM] evany.#0000 Check spreadsheet at bottom of post daily value [24-Aug-24 01:02 PM] avalock#0000 saw it, I currently have 200 TIO/day + 471 O/day, so I'll have to change around the ratio [24-Aug-24 01:22 PM] jvaler#0000 oh you're saying this isn't working? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1276969963659464704/image.png?ex=68150d74&is=6813bbf4&hm=31c0ffd4dd421ae16bb1a4f96d0d455d5405d645162d821c54b52a09f010dd8a& [24-Aug-24 01:23 PM] flor2081#0000 Yeah [24-Aug-24 01:23 PM] flor2081#0000 So maybe that's disabled in channel settings or something? I cant see channel settings [24-Aug-24 01:23 PM] flor2081#0000 But that really should work, weird [24-Aug-24 01:23 PM] jvaler#0000 hmmm okay [24-Aug-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 channel settings have coordinator @ perms set to neutral [24-Aug-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 but the default @ perms are set to false [24-Aug-24 01:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i assumed neutral would use the default role perms, but it seems it uses the no-role perms instead [24-Aug-24 01:25 PM] jvaler#0000 gimme a sec [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 @flor2081 does it work now? [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 try pinging admin [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] flor2081#0000 Yess [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] flor2081#0000 It works [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 okay nice [24-Aug-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 just need to go through every channel and do that >.> [24-Aug-24 01:27 PM] flor2081#0000 Hahah [24-Aug-24 01:27 PM] flor2081#0000 I mean, shouldnt matter too mucj [24-Aug-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i think only associate category was affected...? [24-Aug-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 had some outdated perms compared to newer channels [24-Aug-24 01:42 PM] flor2081#0000 I only checked here and in airlock [24-Aug-24 01:42 PM] flor2081#0000 So also airlock [24-Aug-24 01:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oops yeah that also had that single perm set lmfao [24-Aug-24 01:58 PM] flor2081#0000 Hahah weird [24-Aug-24 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 Did my tag work [24-Aug-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 If not jvaler can you tag it in announcements [24-Aug-24 02:10 PM] evany.#0000 Somewhere that doesnโ€™t scroll [24-Aug-24 02:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgAm664NloA {Embed} Giygas_95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgAm664NloA Rip and tear...until it is done Booted up my Switch this morning and was greeted with the glorious DOOM 64 intro. :) DOOM Eternal https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/tid=CUSA13338_00 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zHI8hRFYjrz0gTtpIYyl0Sd3bEIdfO7Ft5zQ43vls3E/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/NgAm664NloA/maxresdefault.jpg [24-Aug-24 02:27 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i have the SKFs [24-Aug-24 02:27 PM] riseoffilth#0000 just need the inputs [24-Aug-24 02:27 PM] avalock#0000 I have TIO/O :3 [24-Aug-24 02:45 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I can't offer much, only guaranteed UPF/PHF slots, if you guys ever want to expand to the non-starter shipbuilding/upgrades. I do my shipbuilding in batches. Lots of SKF parts thorough put on one end, nothing on the other. :/. But this is, as of, now... If I upgrade to HQ 23.... I don't have anything planned, so you could count me in on something?!? [25-Aug-24 12:03 AM] xtc69#0000 what is needed to join the project ? [25-Aug-24 12:04 AM] tanda#0000 willingness to commit one or more permits to the project [25-Aug-24 12:05 AM] xtc69#0000 for sure need to join a corp correct [25-Aug-24 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No not necessarily I think [25-Aug-24 12:05 AM] tanda#0000 no? CULT is really just a shell corp for boosting people on Elon [25-Aug-24 12:05 AM] tanda#0000 you could join it right now if you felt it relevant [25-Aug-24 12:09 AM] xtc69#0000 would it mater if the person that granted me money was from OOG ? not sure how that works [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Money is money [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] xtc69#0000 for starting out the game flow and stuff do not want to step up anyone feet haha @archielvahr help me out [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] sidepipe#0000 nope, the ADI grant is no strings attached ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] xtc69#0000 i mean we all together right ? lol [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] xtc69#0000 i just want to make moneyzz ๐Ÿ™‚ haha [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Actually :RSAnimeGlasses: you sold your soul to OOG [25-Aug-24 12:10 AM] xtc69#0000 haha [25-Aug-24 12:14 AM] evany.#0000 to indicate interest the best i'd suggest right now is to vote for whatever roles you would be interested in. In a few days will compile a list and see who makes sense where and how many bases they would like to commit @xtc69 [25-Aug-24 12:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 Is there a ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ option or should I just vote โ€˜otherโ€™ for that? [25-Aug-24 12:14 AM] xtc69#0000 i barly have 1m but here my graph of getting that grant help me a ton ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Aug-24 12:14 AM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277134103707389972/image.png?ex=6814fd92&is=6813ac12&hm=a19204a3cc4417a4a0cf82a8527d4cbe9b715ea866b661da2e3bb9330dbaa878& [25-Aug-24 12:15 AM] xtc69#0000 Going up ๐Ÿ™‚ haha [25-Aug-24 12:15 AM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277134249337556992/image.png?ex=6814fdb5&is=6813ac35&hm=ab0b1c93519b1d2cfc5c4174373934be79cf91506a4e3eb867feb5b0afee279d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277134249522237521/image.png?ex=6814fdb5&is=6813ac35&hm=59a5e156063ccc1208ca36c93a1af76e19167f614e6abb7f4c8e13d5086eab79& [25-Aug-24 12:15 AM] tanda#0000 wow, it just finally clicked what happened on that drop. That's when I upgraded my HQ 9 times in 2 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277134329352552549/Screenshot_2024-08-24_221521.png?ex=6814fdc8&is=6813ac48&hm=1e82e464996bd480342e8e163c4fe2b6f16b454fadc9b65438977e07879fadbc& [25-Aug-24 12:16 AM] xtc69#0000 haha [25-Aug-24 12:16 AM] xtc69#0000 is being in corp on demios help me if so i join if i can [25-Aug-24 12:17 AM] tanda#0000 being in a corp will not help on Deimos. I would highly recommend getting a chem base on Elon if you're interested in being part of CULT [25-Aug-24 12:17 AM] tanda#0000 otherwise there's no tangible benefit aside from the really cool tag [25-Aug-24 12:17 AM] xtc69#0000 Chemicals [25-Aug-24 12:17 AM] xtc69#0000 ? [25-Aug-24 12:18 AM] tanda#0000 yes, that's Elon's specialty [25-Aug-24 12:19 AM] archielvahr#0000 You want some money? [25-Aug-24 12:19 AM] xtc69#0000 i mean if its for free sure lol [25-Aug-24 12:19 AM] xtc69#0000 haha [25-Aug-24 12:19 AM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Aug-24 12:19 AM] xtc69#0000 or you talking about the planning [25-Aug-24 12:20 AM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277135369036497010/image.png?ex=6814fec0&is=6813ad40&hm=84a07db2ac1544d45d48ee8a7c883dd8a8cbfaa64d25237106db4bae01c067e1& [25-Aug-24 12:20 AM] xtc69#0000 haha holding cause of sell of AL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1277135428495085608/image.png?ex=6814fece&is=6813ad4e&hm=c11dfcf181a8034a757c0899ea57ac099adfa46232071e664672986a0a93242d& [25-Aug-24 12:20 AM] xtc69#0000 been grinding to 1.5m to maybe start on 2nd base should be in 2 weeks roughly [25-Aug-24 12:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 ohhh I already gave you a grant! [25-Aug-24 12:21 AM] xtc69#0000 yeah ๐Ÿ™‚ lol [25-Aug-24 12:21 AM] xtc69#0000 hahaha [25-Aug-24 12:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 here I was trying to figure out how to log it and there's your name ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Aug-24 12:21 AM] archielvahr#0000 I wasn't really reading the whole convo [25-Aug-24 12:22 AM] xtc69#0000 haha npnp lol was about to say you talking about the planning one lol [25-Aug-24 12:22 AM] archielvahr#0000 But if you wanna join OOG I can hook you up with that too, I will put your name in our internal recruiting channel if you want [25-Aug-24 12:22 AM] archielvahr#0000 was about to head to bed so I can drop it in there overnight [25-Aug-24 12:44 AM] evany.#0000 naw you can just cont me all of it kk thanks. [25-Aug-24 12:46 AM] evany.#0000 grant will help but is unrelated to ship kit project, I tried to make it pretty clear how to partake if you so desire but loans would be given for any bases if you cannot afford; so starting should not be particularly challenging, though if your a newer player (as it seems) i'd encourage you to focus on an EXT / SME role(s) that have decent returns! feel free to DM me if you have additional questions too [26-Aug-24 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 welp, getting another bfab construction base just got pushed up my priority list {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Aug-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 especially looking at the markets getting bought out to the market makers [26-Aug-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 need more money ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Aug-24 08:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 looks like AL bases people were putting together are gonna be handy [26-Aug-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, AL will spike in a little bit [26-Aug-24 08:05 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do have some extra PE if you would need it from time to time [26-Aug-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 at this point I'm now looking at Tiezendor [26-Aug-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 LST on site, just have to haul rations and AL out there [26-Aug-24 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 it's crazy to me that Tiezendor, just taking TSH, is cheaper than IY-816d which takes both SEA and INS [29-Aug-24 02:09 PM] flor2081#0000 hey! I'm looking for someone to supply me with agri products. All you need to do is build a base in Nutaaq Nuuk. I'll supply all of the materials (building mats, consumables, inputs etc) and pay 50k per day, and you'll get to buy my rats at 60/u ๐Ÿ™‚ --found one ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Aug-24 05:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 SIR, THIS IS AN ANTAREAN DISCORD [29-Aug-24 05:41 PM] riseoffilth#0000 kindly take your heathen shit and GET OUT [29-Aug-24 05:49 PM] razenpok#0000 *antaresian [29-Aug-24 05:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/shut-it-down-liz-lemon-tina-fey-30rock-finish-gif-20051338 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/shut-it-down-liz-lemon-tina-fey-30rock-finish-gif-20051338 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rePMgPJ_cHPhXbcgrFUcOBAyacliYzEBiFT7H0YLTM0/https/media.tenor.com/_miSXCvcPrQAAAAe/shut-it-down-liz-lemon.png [29-Aug-24 06:11 PM] avalock#0000 woof* [29-Aug-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 anteropodean? [30-Aug-24 04:49 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What is an Antarean? People post pics of ants, but at least the naming conventions in ANT space should lend you better memes. ๐Ÿ˜› https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares ``` Its traditional name Antares derives from the Ancient Greek แผˆฮฝฯ„ฮฌฯฮทฯ‚,[17] meaning "rival to Ares", due to the similarity of its reddish hue to the appearance of the planet Mars.[18] The comparison of Antares with Mars may have originated with early Mesopotamian astronomers[15] which is considered an outdated speculation, because the name of this star in Mesopotamian astronomy has always been "heart of Scorpion" and it was associated with the goddess Lisin.[19] Some scholars have speculated that the star may have been named after Antar, or Antarah ibn Shaddad, the Arab warrior-hero celebrated in the pre-Islamic poems Mu'allaqat.[15] However, the name "Antares" is already proven in the Greek culture, e.g. in Ptolemy's Almagest and Tetrabiblos. ``` {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares Antares Antares is the brightest star in the constellation of Scorpius. It has the Bayer designation ฮฑ Scorpii, which is Latinised to Alpha Scorpii. Often referred to as "the heart of the scorpion", Antares is flanked by ฯƒ Scorpii and ฯ„ Scorpii near the center of the constellation. Distinctly reddish when viewed with the naked eye, Antares is a slow irr... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5wvz4ls7Yet7If3MiBvGWvBnugTbi6ixnPyq4NHuz2M/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Scorpius_constellation_map.svg/1200px-Scorpius_constellation_map.svg.png [30-Aug-24 04:55 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-23580531 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-23580531 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9gA7AlYIGo1MDWN5zlVpuxMC55rb8-jJoiH7pZcp_Sc/https/media.tenor.com/S_YTb57XeGEAAAAe/sad.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [30-Aug-24 11:03 AM] histidinedwarf#0000 Is that an epic gregor samsa reference ??/??/? [30-Aug-24 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 That's one mean prank [30-Aug-24 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 Insects are scary [30-Aug-24 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 let's just call ourselves Myrmidons, then [30-Aug-24 09:28 PM] tanda#0000 Greek and Ants? must be Myrmidons [31-Aug-24 07:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZctCxAmzDs {Embed} GreatestMovieClips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZctCxAmzDs Troy Achilles Speech to Myrmidons [HD] The scene in which Achilles gives an inspirational speech to his Myrmidons from the movie Troy (2004). https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QIW_p-GozSk1CHps2ZGXBX7H3hndpdEXUMdU_eIw0-g/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/JZctCxAmzDs/maxresdefault.jpg [31-Aug-24 07:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ RoF hyping up the ANTS over the past few weeks. [31-Aug-24 07:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 However, when will we get to #slay? [31-Aug-24 07:28 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ohh right... the next scene XD [31-Aug-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 alright, so it appears I overestimated the near term demand for MHL. Any ideas of things to produce with a WEL base that are more fungible? Already producing TRU [31-Aug-24 12:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 FLP and SSC might not be bad things to make [31-Aug-24 12:14 PM] laaxus#0000 FLP [31-Aug-24 12:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 Also, whatโ€™s your price for MHL? Repairs for my Thalassa bases are coming up ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 SSC aint bad ROI wise, there just isn't enough bid orders [31-Aug-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 should you produce only SSC, you'd fill every orders in a day [31-Aug-24 12:15 PM] tanda#0000 right now I can offer 3500 on MHL, I'm working on getting supply lined up for CLI which can help drop that price [31-Aug-24 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 only thing I'm in the habit of selling to bids on is CL right now [31-Aug-24 12:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m more than happy to pay 3.5k even if you drop the price ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 12:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 How many do you have in stock right now? [31-Aug-24 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 I currently have 322 in stock [31-Aug-24 12:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 Can I buy 150 of that? ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Aug-24 12:17 PM] tanda#0000 absolutely [31-Aug-24 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 you're making money with 3500 ? My calculator say you barely cover your cost [31-Aug-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 I make enough to cover all expenses. Those internal prices are meant to help out ADI members, [31-Aug-24 12:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 Whatโ€™s your external price? [31-Aug-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 that and I want to encourage some of our newer members to think about expanding into HYFs [31-Aug-24 12:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 Because I probably donโ€™t need the help at this point ๐Ÿ˜‰ [31-Aug-24 12:18 PM] tanda#0000 that is a fair point, lol [31-Aug-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 call it 3800, ideally [31-Aug-24 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 the CX is ridiculous right now [31-Aug-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 I would, once I get 10+ base [31-Aug-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 The ROI of hyf base is just too low [31-Aug-24 12:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see as selling at BID or a bit less then BID is fair for internal prices (it also depends if you producing your own inputs in that case you can just cover production cost which is very cheap) [31-Aug-24 12:20 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279491044722872350/image.png?ex=6814fee4&is=6813ad64&hm=6356fc281d830a8aae757b12362a2268b37bf8fb2c258232df305d917d5ff75c& [31-Aug-24 12:21 PM] tanda#0000 actual cost of manufacture for MHL is only about 2400, even using a really high number for the Iodine [31-Aug-24 12:22 PM] tanda#0000 sorry, now that I've actually looked my numbers back up, 3500 is fine sidepipe [31-Aug-24 12:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I guess that's because you produce the input goods My calculator tells me that, using cx prices, you're barely making 30k out of a 1M base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279491628616253523/image.png?ex=6814ff70&is=6813adf0&hm=6f7c0e138304c2136d44b3acc80c110bd326460c610cb64238a0c5e6a98c30c9& [31-Aug-24 12:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 We can do 150 @ 3800 this time around - to encourage you to keep making some MHP ๐Ÿ˜ [31-Aug-24 12:23 PM] tanda#0000 I have my PRUN planner set to use ASK|ASK prices for all goods except what I set locally [31-Aug-24 12:24 PM] tanda#0000 I do produce my own AL, but I don't calculate that in it at all [31-Aug-24 12:24 PM] laaxus#0000 you mean fe ? [31-Aug-24 12:24 PM] tanda#0000 no [31-Aug-24 12:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't get it then {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279492161234010205/image.png?ex=6814ffef&is=6813ae6f&hm=59f0013b935628ff3e3816256afffb08d85f147caebe16a1edd0d1870464a1fa& [31-Aug-24 12:25 PM] tanda#0000 ah, my brain blended MHL and TRU recipes together [31-Aug-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 I hope you meant MHL on that last part because MHP is a whole can of electronics worms I don't want to open [31-Aug-24 12:28 PM] tanda#0000 I'll send you a contract? [31-Aug-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, The RoI on HYF is so bad [31-Aug-24 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279493345281966100/image.png?ex=68150109&is=6813af89&hm=ff48208549b9cb968ce33edaac09dcbe706e6dd60a52ef9babec0c039adaac4d& [31-Aug-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 I could divide the cost by 3 that I still wouldn't want to make it [31-Aug-24 12:30 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's not great. Have to keep in mind that agricultural goods are perpetually underpriced [31-Aug-24 12:30 PM] laaxus#0000 Well then I'll buy vegs from the cx until it becomes an economically good decision [31-Aug-24 12:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279493690951208960/image.png?ex=6815015b&is=6813afdb&hm=6f352a7a9ccd6add334f54f32019b1f684bc42b53f6caa24597f061c8f00d942& [31-Aug-24 12:31 PM] tanda#0000 all the money is made at the FP stage, really [31-Aug-24 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 Agree But as long as the cx can supply me [31-Aug-24 12:31 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't have to put the capital into hyf [31-Aug-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 it looks like you could probably clean the CX out on most of the AG products in about a month [31-Aug-24 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 Then the price will go up and the traders will start importing from the other cx [31-Aug-24 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 if the price goes up enough, It'll become economically interessting to invest [31-Aug-24 12:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't have the luxury to invest such large amout of capital into something with such low roi [31-Aug-24 12:35 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, MHL. Sorry. Started making MHP a week ago, so itโ€™s been on my brain ๐Ÿ˜„ (I can send you the contract) [31-Aug-24 12:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 I would be surprised if you can maintain an FP base for long by buying crops off the CX - thereโ€™s basically no one out there whoโ€™s growing agri just to sell it, so a lot of what you see on the market is people selling any surplus they might have made [31-Aug-24 12:38 PM] sidepipe#0000 Even if you do drive the price up a lot, youโ€™re basically relying on other people to build FRMs just to sell to the market, which will almost never happen as long as the CX prices are low enough that you can profitably run an FP off it. At least, thatโ€™s what I believe would happen [31-Aug-24 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 I could be wrong, and you can always spin up your own FRMs / HYFs if it doesnโ€™t work out. Just wanted to add a note of caution [31-Aug-24 12:41 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279496407732060220/image.png?ex=681503e3&is=6813b263&hm=82f386ad5ae83525c0009e87cd8714c12aec4ec6c28983706c76b7f5de9864bb& [31-Aug-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 looks like an incredibly cheap experiment, at least [31-Aug-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 and that's on Phobos [31-Aug-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I believe worst come to worst, my FP base would have paid itself before I eat everything on the cx [31-Aug-24 12:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Thereโ€™s only one way to find out ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 12:44 PM] tanda#0000 you would be right, too. ROI is 9 days, only consuming around 110 per ingredient per day. There's 6 different ingredients on the market to consume [31-Aug-24 12:45 PM] tanda#0000 if the mats hold out for 18 days, you've doubled your money [31-Aug-24 12:45 PM] sidepipe#0000 And if the supply runs dry, Iโ€™d pay you to keep the base open a bit longer to work through my surplus agri ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway farmers deserve better prices [31-Aug-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm only doing what's good [31-Aug-24 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I hate vertical economies [31-Aug-24 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 #MAKEEXPERTSGLOBAL [31-Aug-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 i like it, but mainly because it reduces volatility in my factories - so I don't need to retool them as often ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 12:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's definitely inefficient in profit / base area terms compared to just buying and selling most inputs [31-Aug-24 12:49 PM] laaxus#0000 and it's a perfectly fine reason to do it [31-Aug-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 the issue is that it's never a bad decision to do vertical [31-Aug-24 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 I would be fine with it if people doing horizontal were more efficient at it [31-Aug-24 12:51 PM] laaxus#0000 meaning that going vertical, you'd trade Good RoI for less volatility [31-Aug-24 01:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 I swear some people play this game like factorio [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 i do ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 but I just enjoy that kind of thing more than the free market [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] tanda#0000 I'm still trying to figure out why I didn't win the game when I first launched a rocket [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] tanda#0000 must not be enough science [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's less stressful [31-Aug-24 01:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 100% [31-Aug-24 01:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Did you load it? [31-Aug-24 01:03 PM] jcheung#0000 I recommend loading a fish [31-Aug-24 01:04 PM] tanda#0000 oh so I shouldn't just put a single bar of AL in as a pilot? dang [31-Aug-24 01:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Or if you want a game summary screen you want a satellite as a pauload i guess [31-Aug-24 01:04 PM] jcheung#0000 But i really do recommend a fish [31-Aug-24 04:09 PM] jvaler#0000 putting a car in and getting in the car is the only true ending [01-Sep-24 08:32 AM] marat_sh#0000 Harmonia got 5 plots left ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Sep-24 08:33 AM] laaxus#0000 can you guys please stop YELLING IT everywhere {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ถ [01-Sep-24 08:33 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/k9ZfsqSECGf8Xy_lad4fedV0eu-SOKQnXdnzOXXMD7E/https/media.tenor.com/nYdAr6rffx0AAAAe/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain.png [01-Sep-24 08:33 AM] marat_sh#0000 Trust me [01-Sep-24 08:33 AM] marat_sh#0000 it's not a big deal [01-Sep-24 08:33 AM] marat_sh#0000 you are not missing out [01-Sep-24 08:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 for once Agro goods might be priced decently [01-Sep-24 08:56 AM] flor2081#0000 harmonia has been close to 0 plots for months [01-Sep-24 08:56 AM] flor2081#0000 so no rush, probably [01-Sep-24 08:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 few weeks ago you said the same when it was 15 plots ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Sep-24 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 it was a stable 16 2 days ago [01-Sep-24 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 and now that it was yelled on the public place of the 2 major discord, many people will rush it [01-Sep-24 08:57 AM] flor2081#0000 nah accounts get deleted every week [01-Sep-24 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, even if plot are filled, I sitll have a chance [01-Sep-24 08:58 AM] flor2081#0000 it tends to shuffle around 0 for a while [01-Sep-24 08:58 AM] flor2081#0000 yeah so no rush ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Sep-24 08:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-the-naked-gun-intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-gif-26797008 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-the-naked-gun-intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-naked-gun-nothing-to-see-here-gif-26797008 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1hJkvB8LT4KONI3kcmvkeYpD_XsprrmYEzIadY-XDVs/https/media.tenor.com/HSCDXN7Dwz4AAAAe/naked-gun-the-naked-gun.png [01-Sep-24 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 it was no few weeks it was 5 day ago [01-Sep-24 09:00 AM] flor2081#0000 ๐Ÿคท {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1279803136432934983/image.png?ex=6814d00d&is=68137e8d&hm=050178b85ce7d194b8ca2dfd632c1acd6f98614491bfa59d0a55c28cf62458ef& [01-Sep-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 it was stable as 16 3 day ago [01-Sep-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 so I did not feel the need to rush [01-Sep-24 09:02 AM] flor2081#0000 yeah but the "stable" thing is over the entire week kinda [01-Sep-24 09:02 AM] flor2081#0000 i'm pretty sure the accounts get deleted in waves [01-Sep-24 01:49 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 yeah i rushed like a madman 2 months ago when it was at 6 plots... [01-Sep-24 01:49 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 @laaxus If you want to rush it now, you know where to find some cash! Shrewdbank is here to serve [01-Sep-24 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I have the cash, what I need is a ship to send the materials ๐Ÿ˜ญ [01-Sep-24 01:53 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 ah i see [01-Sep-24 01:53 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 sadly i dont have a ship inbound so i cant really help you in that department [01-Sep-24 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Mine arrive in 2h [01-Sep-24 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 But I have to send it to deimos first to upgrade hq [01-Sep-24 01:54 PM] jcheung#0000 watch, in 6 months we'll still be rushing because there's "less than 5 plots!" [01-Sep-24 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 Hope it's true [01-Sep-24 01:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 @laaxus I'll have a free WCB at ANT in 4h if you want to send me shipping contracts [01-Sep-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 i have 2 idle WCBs at ANT if you can get me conts before i sign off for the day [01-Sep-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 which may be in around 10 min [01-Sep-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 ...first come first serve [01-Sep-24 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 that said i won't be doing max burn [01-Sep-24 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 Would any of you ship to norwick ? [01-Sep-24 01:57 PM] tanda#0000 6 months ago when it was 14 plots left I rushed a base onto there {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-Sep-24 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 That's where I need a WCB to go [01-Sep-24 01:57 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 funny thing, this base is slatted to be torn down eventually [01-Sep-24 01:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can take some stuff to norwick, I'll need to do repairs there tomorrow anyway - I'll figure out how much space will be left {Reactions} โœ… [01-Sep-24 02:00 PM] laaxus#0000 Once you Know, tell me [01-Sep-24 02:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll take whatever is left, I would send 3k T if I could [01-Sep-24 02:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 should be 700m/2600 T free [01-Sep-24 02:04 PM] laaxus#0000 When do you leave ? [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] jcheung#0000 funny thing about my harmonia base is i didn't even plan to put it here [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd like to send the contract in 1h15 if possible [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] jcheung#0000 once it's no longer needed i plan on flattening it ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 4 ish hours, just send the contracts whenever. free since I'm going that way anyway ๐Ÿ™‚ [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Perfect [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Tyvm [01-Sep-24 02:05 PM] jcheung#0000 how much more stuff would you have going there [01-Sep-24 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 also what do you do on norwick [01-Sep-24 02:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 FP, I hope ๐Ÿ˜› [01-Sep-24 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~i was hoping there was some SIO~~ [01-Sep-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 Norwick is just currently too far away for me to supply it (and my 2 other base) with one single ship (the other is currently at moria to buy an upgrade kit) I think with 2.6kT it should be ok for a few days [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Rat rat cof then Rat [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 shoulda given me your upgrade kit [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i just departed from MOR yesterday with someone else's upgrade kit [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 XD should have asked for it [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 It's ok [01-Sep-24 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 was posted in #shipping [01-Sep-24 02:09 PM] jcheung#0000 oh well [01-Sep-24 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll ask for the next one in 10 days [01-Sep-24 02:09 PM] jcheung#0000 mmm. i can try to time a ship to be up there in 10 days, i think that's doable [01-Sep-24 02:09 PM] jcheung#0000 have stuff up that way i need to be there for in 12 days or less [01-Sep-24 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't confirm it's 10 days, it's just what shaitr told me [01-Sep-24 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 It's ok anyway it's a good expรฉrience [01-Sep-24 02:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 i've got a ship going to MOR right now too. everyone's going to MOR ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Sep-24 02:12 PM] jcheung#0000 heh [01-Sep-24 02:12 PM] jcheung#0000 i'll be doing semi-regular runs up there [01-Sep-24 02:12 PM] jcheung#0000 probably... once a month i think [01-Sep-24 02:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 i make a few trips to exchange items for currency between AIC and NCC. Everyone wants to swap their NCC for something else, but no one wants to buy NCC ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Sep-24 02:14 PM] jcheung#0000 well. once a month later. every other week for now [01-Sep-24 02:14 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-Sep-24 02:15 PM] sidepipe#0000 but i guess hit me up if anyone needs NCC [01-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 part of what i want to do too [01-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 lol [01-Sep-24 02:15 PM] jcheung#0000 alright, laptop is outta juice, closing PRUN {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [01-Sep-24 02:16 PM] jcheung#0000 I have my phone for discord but i hate shipping and cont stuff on mobile [01-Sep-24 02:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 i don't know how people can cope with mobile... max I can do is accept contracts ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Sep-24 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Mobile is trash [01-Sep-24 02:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Same [01-Sep-24 02:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 anyone knows why I have BURN for one planet but don't have for other [01-Sep-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 I prefer teamviwer mobile over prun mobile [01-Sep-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Refresh [01-Sep-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Took me several refreshes / loading the base to get my laptop up to snuff [01-Sep-24 02:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, and you'll need to open the BS buffer for that specific base as well [01-Sep-24 02:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 (if you haven't already) [01-Sep-24 02:32 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah. I needed about 2 cycles to fully populate [01-Sep-24 02:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 I see. Thank you โค๏ธ [01-Sep-24 03:23 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm sending you the conts @sidepipe I didn't realise vegetables took that much volume, so I'll only use 700T 700m {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Sep-24 03:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/passing-of-the-pickle-pickle-day-national-pickle-day-happy-pickle-day-seth-meyers-gif-10256778 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/passing-of-the-pickle-pickle-day-national-pickle-day-happy-pickle-day-seth-meyers-gif-10256778 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/axkvWbY2MrDVQFbZRx869VxxT9p-XqBrSyEvLRyY6Yc/https/media.tenor.com/K3y3tvDLdXQAAAAe/passing-of-the-pickle-pickle-day.png [01-Sep-24 03:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 Accepted ๐Ÿ™‚ [01-Sep-24 03:36 PM] laaxus#0000 tyvm ! [01-Sep-24 06:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 Could you provision the contracts and ping me when you have a chance? Don't need the ship in a hurry, but I'll be away from my computer doing other things for a bit - just wanna make sure I don't miss it ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Sep-24 12:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I forgot to provision the contract before going to sleep [02-Sep-24 12:39 AM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ [02-Sep-24 12:39 AM] laaxus#0000 Well [02-Sep-24 12:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm still a beginner After all [02-Sep-24 12:43 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm so sorry [02-Sep-24 12:59 AM] laaxus#0000 god this hurts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1280044462118273095/image.png?ex=6815080d&is=6813b68d&hm=a11c29b0f5b6c78b12c342a9830656f0bbe672814451ec67c4e3a0d3e72864bf& [02-Sep-24 01:08 AM] laaxus#0000 should I terminate the contracts @sidepipe ? [02-Sep-24 01:08 AM] sidepipe#0000 Nope, ship still hasnโ€™t left yet - you can go ahead and provision ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Sep-24 01:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Best news today ! (just woke up) [02-Sep-24 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 For futute reference [02-Sep-24 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 If you provision something [02-Sep-24 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 If conts terminate and they haven't picked up you keep the package [02-Sep-24 01:12 AM] laaxus#0000 ok thanks [02-Sep-24 01:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Basically whoever has the locked package keeps it [02-Sep-24 01:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 @laaxus ship is off - packages should be delivered in around 12 hours! [02-Sep-24 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 tyvm [05-Sep-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 i ended up having to go early, if your kit is ready to roll in 1.5d let me know and i'll swing by... [06-Sep-24 12:11 AM] laaxus#0000 No news from him yet [07-Sep-24 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 It's almost ready [07-Sep-24 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 If still available [07-Sep-24 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I would appreciate you take my kit ! [07-Sep-24 10:07 AM] jcheung#0000 have a timeframe? [07-Sep-24 10:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Probably 24h, but I'll send him a message [07-Sep-24 12:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Ok. I think that's within my acceptable range [07-Sep-24 12:58 PM] laaxus#0000 do you think you would have place for 60T more than the kit ? there's something I want to take from moria [07-Sep-24 01:11 PM] jcheung#0000 Yes. Whatever can fit in a WCB minus around 20m3 for my own stuff you can have [07-Sep-24 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 tyvm, that saves me from another beginner mistake I put myself in [08-Sep-24 12:01 AM] laaxus#0000 08-Sep-24 09:00 AM if that's ok with you [08-Sep-24 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 sent you the conts @jcheung thx again ! [10-Sep-24 10:02 AM] laaxus#0000 @jcheung when do you think the kit will arrive to ANT ? No pressure, just planning from my part [10-Sep-24 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 As soon as i can convince myself to get out of bed [10-Sep-24 10:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Having a rough morning [10-Sep-24 10:03 AM] laaxus#0000 ok perfect [10-Sep-24 10:03 AM] laaxus#0000 take your time, no rush [10-Sep-24 10:04 AM] laaxus#0000 thank you ! [10-Sep-24 10:07 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SspYMLXkZi5wQTNM4TGh8jewFHVctnh7vW3lpZxCBEk/https/media.tenor.com/B_ZQOxnb13IAAAAe/chainsaw-man-he-just-like.png [10-Sep-24 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 @marat_sh do you have by any chance one bta to sell me on hepha ? [10-Sep-24 10:34 AM] marat_sh#0000 Nope... sorry I keep fabs on ANT... I do have a ship that goes back and forth ANT -> Heph [10-Sep-24 10:34 AM] marat_sh#0000 I can bring you one today if you can wait [10-Sep-24 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 that would help, thanks ! [10-Sep-24 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I put a LM ad, is it ok if we use that ? [10-Sep-24 10:36 AM] marat_sh#0000 yeah We can use that one [10-Sep-24 10:36 AM] laaxus#0000 thanks {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Sep-24 01:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 it will be there in 4 hours [12-Sep-24 03:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 (pinned) Hello everyone! I've been discussing the idea of a gateway co-op with the other ADI Coordinators. The core thought is a collaborative shared-ownership model for a pair of gateways in Antares space: * Anyone in ANT who wants to join the co-op is welcome. * We track the contributions, and each contributing member has a percentage of the gateway assigned to them. So you're sort of a partial owner of the gateway. * The co-op maintains a sheet tracking contributed materials, and also "planned materials"- materials intended to be contributed, in an effort to avoid accidentally making too many of a particular gateway material. * (less importantly) Tolls, if any, are distributed according to shares * (more importantly) All members are incentivized to ensure someone (anyone) in the co-op maintains governorship of the gateway planet. * Any member agrees to uphold the co-op if they are elected governor. * Someone works out prices (not for reimbursement, just for proportional gateway contribution calculations) Since we need to make two gateways for this thing to do anything, we should pool contributions for all the gateways constructed under the program, to minimize complexity in distributions later. [12-Sep-24 03:08 PM] archielvahr#0000 (pinned) Here's a thread to discuss the the ADI Gateway Cooperative [12-Sep-24 03:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Pinned a message. [14-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 hey @razenpok do you know when the shipment from ben would arrive at ant ? [14-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 just to know if I wait for it or not [14-Sep-24 09:46 AM] razenpok#0000 55 min [14-Sep-24 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 absolutely perfect timing {Reactions} blobjustright [14-Sep-24 11:32 AM] tanda#0000 hmm, CL is getting pretty cheap [16-Sep-24 07:04 AM] tanda#0000 @martinswdev We could definitely use another BFab manufacturer in here. I get cleaned out of them on the regular [16-Sep-24 07:08 AM] martinswdev#0000 Whats the code for those ? [16-Sep-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 BBH BSE BDE BTA [16-Sep-24 08:34 AM] martinswdev#0000 Does this look ok ? https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 and then ship in my AL {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Sep-24 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” comes up blank for me, did you hit share? [16-Sep-24 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 because i think you didn't hit share and copy the share link [16-Sep-24 08:59 AM] martinswdev#0000 try this one https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/e555b103-4a71-4db9-ba4e-a8c5bb7adfa5 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [16-Sep-24 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 that's more like it [16-Sep-24 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 something i would do, is bring in luxuries for your PIO and SET [16-Sep-24 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 also one EXT and one PP2? that's it? [16-Sep-24 09:01 AM] jcheung#0000 is deimos full? [16-Sep-24 09:02 AM] martinswdev#0000 yeah was thinking I would add more / adapt as needed ? and no, just got my 1 EXT and SME in deimos at the moment on AL [16-Sep-24 09:03 AM] marat_sh#0000 Long term For Nike You wanna have just Construction buildings to get that COGC bonus. Ava and some other people sell LST on Nike [16-Sep-24 09:04 AM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah I assumed I would drop that at some point when need the space for more prefab places {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [16-Sep-24 09:05 AM] marat_sh#0000 At the beginning that EXT will help you a lot with logistics [16-Sep-24 09:07 AM] jcheung#0000 so honestly [16-Sep-24 09:07 AM] jcheung#0000 some people will yell at me for saying this [16-Sep-24 09:07 AM] jcheung#0000 but if deimos only has 2 factories, you may as well drop your PP2 there for 60 days [16-Sep-24 09:08 AM] jcheung#0000 it's not as efficient, but it's a heck of a lot cheaper [16-Sep-24 09:08 AM] jcheung#0000 unless you're planning on taking the ADI grant, in which case you should have a lot more things on your plan ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Sep-24 09:09 AM] jcheung#0000 also i say 60 days because you can effectively scrap the building for very little cost to you then [16-Sep-24 09:11 AM] martinswdev#0000 Is it just 1 grant or can I use it in chunks ? and what else would I look to add [16-Sep-24 09:12 AM] laaxus#0000 with a grant of 1M, it's kinda expected you spend 600-800k on buildings [16-Sep-24 09:15 AM] jcheung#0000 you get all of it in one shot, spend wherever, as long as you demonstrate that you won't, say.... spend it all on half of an AML ๐Ÿ‘€ [16-Sep-24 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i suggest using around 2/3 on buildings and then of the remaining, spend 1/2 - 3/4 on feedstock. the rest, keep on hand for emergencies, because you'll need something silly here or there {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [16-Sep-24 09:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Solid advices here [16-Sep-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 what? no. i didn't at all have to sell stuff i just bought so i could buy other stuff [16-Sep-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 not at all [16-Sep-24 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 i would never [16-Sep-24 10:23 AM] martinswdev#0000 Other than just bumping the PP2 up to 8 instead of 1, is there anything else I should consider [16-Sep-24 10:33 AM] jcheung#0000 luxuries [16-Sep-24 10:34 AM] martinswdev#0000 Yeah ticked those [16-Sep-24 10:34 AM] jcheung#0000 mmm. at 313t import/d it may be worth going up to 2 STO, but starting at 1 and assessing isn't a bad idea [16-Sep-24 10:36 AM] martinswdev#0000 yeah seems to vary alot depending on the item being made [16-Sep-24 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 dang all those LM ads I put up are gone already [16-Sep-24 08:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 Anyone have any other gateway questions, other than these? [16-Sep-24 08:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/Discord_2024-09-16_20-17-36.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/Discord_2024-09-16_20-17-36.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1f6AHEiatJsMBr1h3xHjMi-KEHry2QfFARkGPHUqI7A/http/kortham.net/temp/Discord_2024-09-16_20-17-36.png [16-Sep-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 if links are locked into one receiving, can it be re-paired? [16-Sep-24 08:56 PM] jcheung#0000 does it take time to travel from orbit to gateway, or are you good to go once in orbit? [16-Sep-24 08:56 PM] jcheung#0000 rather, does it take additional time if ascending from surface to orbit, is there additional travel to get to gateway [16-Sep-24 09:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 good questions! [16-Sep-24 10:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 Posted: https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/gateway-question-roundup/6604 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/gateway-question-roundup/6604 Gateway Question Roundup In #behind-the-scenes, molp asked for us to put our questions about the gateway into a forum post. So Iโ€™ve consolidated some questions here: Can one gateway send ships to more than one receiving gateway? Or does the gateway builder / controlling government set the destination? If they are paired, can the destination gateway be changed? How... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [17-Sep-24 05:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-peeking-looking-hiding-gif-15109089 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-peeking-looking-hiding-gif-15109089 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6TmD7iNc9xVz-yS94rbfcNv-5h3cVGG5PbFoTPQ06dc/https/media.tenor.com/yQcv_4bIzvgAAAAe/arnold-schwarzenegger-peeking.png [17-Sep-24 11:13 AM] jcheung#0000 one more. if not paired, can you daisy chain gate jumps? can you go start > gate a > gate b > gate c > gate d > end? or would you have to set a new travel plan once you're at gate b [17-Sep-24 11:17 AM] archielvahr#0000 Added a question about doing multiple gateways in one flight path {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Sep-24 08:22 AM] laaxus#0000 @razenpok when is the next Time you'll do ben -> ant ? [18-Sep-24 08:40 AM] razenpok#0000 Not in the coming week, I'm a bit tied up rn [18-Sep-24 08:41 AM] laaxus#0000 Sadge {Reactions} sadge [18-Sep-24 08:41 AM] laaxus#0000 thanks anyway [21-Sep-24 06:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 For anyone interested, I'm settling and building up A2A (planet next to vulcan and Deimos) for construction, with everything up to and including Techs. It'll take a month or so, but we are gonna get there [21-Sep-24 06:36 PM] martinswdev#0000 whats the benefits of tht planet [21-Sep-24 06:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 It is close to Antares and other construction and metallurgy planets, without being excessively expensive to settle and build on [21-Sep-24 06:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 just TSH [21-Sep-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 ooh [21-Sep-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 you have my sign on [21-Sep-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 when do you need a base down? [21-Sep-24 06:38 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I dont need anything. I'm landing in a few hours, and it will have no pop. But I'll be elected to gov in 3 days from now, and running programs to build its pop by a week from now in time for the first POPR [21-Sep-24 06:39 PM] riseoffilth#0000 This is more of a PSA [21-Sep-24 06:41 PM] tanda#0000 alright, well I'm still excited [21-Sep-24 06:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i was looking where to settle 2 more bases and there won out. I had your YK- planet in the running though [21-Sep-24 06:45 PM] riseoffilth#0000 but ultimately i opted away from Chem [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 cause i wanted more INS and Weldment production, and i didnt want to source it to someone else, because it makes 6 different items i need [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and thats annoying to source out [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] tanda#0000 I've been wanting another close in construction base. One right there makes Rfabs just a little easier [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 contract making and so on [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 yessssir [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] jcheung#0000 what's a2a [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 now we have 3 construction planets within 1 jump of each other [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and 3 metallurgy [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] riseoffilth#0000 thats pretty good [21-Sep-24 06:46 PM] evov#0000 I've thought about adding a welding base to my list. Maybe. [21-Sep-24 06:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Antares 2 planet a I assume [21-Sep-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 ahh [21-Sep-24 06:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Yes^ [21-Sep-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 hey, tanda, didn't we talk about that for construction? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [21-Sep-24 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 I think I remember complaining that the closest construction planet after Nike JR was like 2 jumps away [21-Sep-24 06:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 well, im running a pio immigration right off the bat to get my weldments up and running, so anyone wanting to build those is welcome to join in a week [21-Sep-24 06:49 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 aceland and then IY-816d [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 really thats it [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 except some VERY weird ones in KI-401... [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 a gas planet [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 with construction cogc [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 like wtf piboy [21-Sep-24 06:50 PM] riseoffilth#0000 what are YOU DOING?!?!!? [21-Sep-24 06:51 PM] evov#0000 The only sticking point for me is the TSH. It's not cheap. Setup cost for the base will be high I'd imagine, but maybe the closer/cheaper shipping will more than cover the gap. WEL on a TSH vs not TSH {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287199673085460563/image.png?ex=6814b1dd&is=6813605d&hm=1818557f048f4c13be5bc9b531373bf2eeef374a7070430bdfc4459c69e66875& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287199673463083039/image.png?ex=6814b1dd&is=6813605d&hm=9d148dc684091780508130a7096da365d62133cb8c6b243db2413442223a47b8& [21-Sep-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 I'm thinking it's pretty well perfect for Rfabs [21-Sep-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 STL is so heavy transporting that far is annoying. Vulcan is a perfect source of STL [21-Sep-24 06:52 PM] tanda#0000 match made in heaven [21-Sep-24 06:53 PM] tanda#0000 and you can only do 11 PP3's per permit, so that keeps TSH cost down as well [21-Sep-24 06:53 PM] jvaler#0000 INS for the INS gods or something [21-Sep-24 06:53 PM] jcheung#0000 what's wrong with gas? [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 AEF [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] tanda#0000 it's just basically a double red planet, rather than a single red [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 AEF is like half a red tbh, not that expensive [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc [21-Sep-24 06:54 PM] evov#0000 Not all reds are created equal [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i saw that and it upsets me... I want to mix 1-2 other things in there [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I got a setup that was beauitful [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 but it was 501 [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 oof [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and that broke my spirit [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] tanda#0000 perhaps nix a STO and really pump the warehouses? [21-Sep-24 06:55 PM] riseoffilth#0000 so instead of dedicated R-fab building [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 I do 5 pp3s and 10 WEL, it fits in exactly at 500 [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its so beautiful [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] jcheung#0000 that's when you play with the population and eat a -10 pop on something with over 500 requirement ๐Ÿ˜› [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 oof my efficiency, though [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VkMypnImyHsIRlaarjCvQT7RtZn7aMXeHurcixultvc/https/media.tenor.com/Ryw0q9D6ra0AAAAe/haha-gumichan.png [21-Sep-24 06:56 PM] jcheung#0000 a tiny bit [21-Sep-24 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 definitely super excited for this project. I'll be placing a base down there sooner than later [21-Sep-24 07:05 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i need to get my construction base placed [21-Sep-24 07:05 PM] jcheung#0000 it was my 3rd planned "own" base [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm beyond that by now ๐Ÿ˜ฟ [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I need to get my 4th construction base up and running [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Actually... it might be better to put the rfabs on Nikey Jr and put my UPFs on A2A [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its less repairables and cheaper upkeep [21-Sep-24 07:06 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ๐Ÿค” [21-Sep-24 07:07 PM] tanda#0000 I forsee myself moving PP3's off of Nike in the future. Probably to drop PP4's [21-Sep-24 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ...i also desperately need to repair deimos [21-Sep-24 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฐ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287203711126474853/image.png?ex=6814b59f&is=6813641f&hm=e9e74965c2f8f8f679405d05421b320a6f963eda08c64f514d1b3e1f0388fa2f& [21-Sep-24 07:08 PM] jcheung#0000 i just keep procr-ooh, piece of candy [21-Sep-24 07:10 PM] evov#0000 My current construction planets - If I add one I may consider re-working what I build where. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287204279521906699/image.png?ex=6814b627&is=681364a7&hm=e63e37763c9ddfcd9cdcffb33f500809764bb177798e3a40c8b640a93357d0e0& [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 this is the way [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287204886861320252/image.png?ex=6814b6b8&is=68136538&hm=1977f5db421a8325bf9cdcccd1ad66a57aaec0d375ae69a7e8cc758588aeb758& [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its beautiful [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 500/500 [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 2 pp1s and 7 upf [21-Sep-24 07:12 PM] riseoffilth#0000 dropped my TSH repair bill from 15 to 7 [21-Sep-24 07:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-evil-boss-iloveit-snl-gif-15241712 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-evil-boss-iloveit-snl-gif-15241712 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pstidzN7tJYoPUgVsqqEdmeUFdy1scIHRC-f3dYoKJM/https/media.tenor.com/50lPCpLt_vkAAAAe/will-ferrell-evil-boss.png [21-Sep-24 07:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 and spin up time has reduced from 1 month to 2 weeks [22-Sep-24 05:39 AM] evov#0000 When faced with a choice of where to build something.... how do people evaluate that choice? What things influence the tradeoff between location and planet conditions? A2A - Location = Awesome! Needing TSH = baaad. [22-Sep-24 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 The more I need shipping, the closer to the cx it needs to be as for planet conditions, it's included in the roi [22-Sep-24 05:44 AM] evov#0000 So, if you decided you wanted to build a base to produce PP2 as an example. What's your process to decide where to build it? [22-Sep-24 05:55 AM] laaxus#0000 1) I'd check the shipping requirement of a pp2 base. (In this case, 1 WCB / 3 days seems enough). This means I could allow it to go up to 5 system distance from the CX 2) I look for every planets with the construction COGC within 5 of range of the CX 3) I look for input goods supply : can I find a supplier somewhere else than the CX ? if I can't, then closer to the cx is better 4) I compare the price of a base for the different planet 5) after that, taking into account the shipping capacity I have left, my future plan, and the off-cx supply if there's any, I choose. I don't have a math formula for that, just instinct. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287366574910472263/image.png?ex=6814a48d&is=6813530d&hm=1e9126588b0dfcee63dcd28737c6ee221bbe7ad81e7af3ff065799149fa62c75& [22-Sep-24 06:11 AM] dizzplaced#0000 PE floor about to give out :(. It's been a fun few weeks [22-Sep-24 06:15 AM] evov#0000 So, 1. Consider synergy with your existing bases / suppliers or anything else that might "break" the standard rules. 2. Limit options based on distance from CX (or other supply) for shipping requirements. 3. Limit options based on CoGC's within that distance. 4. Compare RoI of remaining options? 5. Build or not build on the best one if the numbers look juicy enough. Does existing population of the planet factor at all for you? [22-Sep-24 06:16 AM] laaxus#0000 "if it has a cogc, population is not an issue" is my moto [22-Sep-24 06:16 AM] evov#0000 Fair enough ๐Ÿ™‚ [22-Sep-24 09:37 AM] tanda#0000 proximity is king for me, due to how much metal and ore winds up getting used across all my bases (still working with two ships) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Sep-24 09:38 AM] tanda#0000 I've also started moving up the chain of production, so POP is not as easy to come by as it was initially. I moved PP2s off of Nike once, and it strongly looks like PP3's are going to get the boot from there as well {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Sep-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 Just so all of our newer players get to hear this: [22-Sep-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 You need PMMG extended [22-Sep-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 for Burn tiles: [22-Sep-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287484227398668389/image.png?ex=68151220&is=6813c0a0&hm=3d652cd6716593c7773b2f0bc0a37a22115cb9e064f5726565d21aa72c82a929& [22-Sep-24 01:43 PM] jcheung#0000 why do you have 2 burn all [22-Sep-24 01:43 PM] tanda#0000 for Xit Repairs: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287484357019308112/image.png?ex=6815123f&is=6813c0bf&hm=47c904db77987a953e1acac345b347108c8531cba45d4707f95b0d80e071956d& [22-Sep-24 01:43 PM] tanda#0000 initiall the second burn tile was used to just quickly check production. I wish I could put the "Overall" up top [22-Sep-24 01:43 PM] tanda#0000 it's kinda useless now, my BURN screen needs to be redone [22-Sep-24 01:47 PM] kynadre#0000 What is BURN? [22-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 OOOOOOOH the more I look through the screenshot the more it makes sense [22-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah I can't figure out how to preview that in PRUNPlanner, it's just daily and then I'm doing math from there [22-Sep-24 01:48 PM] kynadre#0000 that's fantastic [22-Sep-24 05:06 PM] tanda#0000 Going the opposite direction, I'm thinking of doing WEL out there. It's only 3k more repair cost per day, and gets a heavy user of FE and AL closer to the sources [22-Sep-24 05:49 PM] evov#0000 I don't use extensions and rarely use PrunPlanner for anything. I seem to be doing fine. Agreed, existing tools can make life easier. But sometimes, the hand that you hold is the hand the holds you down. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Sep-24 05:59 PM] razenpok#0000 In my opinion, tools do a great job to show that there's much more to the game than one might think by just playing vanilla prun [22-Sep-24 06:00 PM] razenpok#0000 "Hey look, you can do these funny calculations and numbers go brrrr" [22-Sep-24 06:01 PM] razenpok#0000 I think tools are one of the main reasons I stuck through the early game (and continue playing) [22-Sep-24 06:01 PM] razenpok#0000 (the other reason is AGP ofc :Clueless1: ) [22-Sep-24 06:23 PM] avalock#0000 I need a prun plugin that turns everything into barks/woofs [22-Sep-24 06:24 PM] avalock#0000 maybe paws on all the different symbols or something :P [22-Sep-24 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 Those people who are already selling RFABs, how is the movement on them? [22-Sep-24 06:32 PM] tanda#0000 do they basically flee your inventory as fast as they enter? [22-Sep-24 06:33 PM] evov#0000 As with all things. . . . depends on price. [22-Sep-24 07:38 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, got my next 3 months mapped out: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287573835079749672/image.png?ex=6814bcd4&is=68136b54&hm=b60bf8b459a04ecdf8d827b2868f9db8c888e135f97e5d0b1b7de2ca7dc340ab& [22-Sep-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 Broad view comments or critiques? [22-Sep-24 07:57 PM] evov#0000 What lvl hq are you at? [22-Sep-24 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 currently level 13 [22-Sep-24 08:00 PM] evov#0000 So your next upgrade is this one? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287579246558056448/image.png?ex=6814c1de&is=6813705e&hm=fc8c146075fac35960cbe5f308ae4851b88c46e8fc9e349fbd315d2d9c9e73a7& [22-Sep-24 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 yes, and I need approximately 4 more permits for this plan [22-Sep-24 08:01 PM] evov#0000 I would sugest - rather than ripping things down, as long as the planet is still producing/productive... focus on expanding/more production. [22-Sep-24 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 only reason I'm pulling things down is to get them on the right planet with the right COGC [22-Sep-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 (well besides the 2 CHPs) [22-Sep-24 08:03 PM] evov#0000 Yea, I understand that. But.... if it's going to cost you 1mil to move it... or 2 mil to keep it and have both.. rough numbers but I hope you get the idea. [22-Sep-24 08:04 PM] evov#0000 When you get to this permit upgrade - go back and tear down/fix up/move etc {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287580199633817631/image.png?ex=6814c2c1&is=68137141&hm=46ef5032ce65dc425a826affcfdc81df33cd397ae12325b53a1c1e69a7b314a2& [22-Sep-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 I know you're right but the neat freak in me wants those organized ๐Ÿ˜– [22-Sep-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 let me give that some thought [22-Sep-24 08:07 PM] evov#0000 I know the feeling ๐Ÿ™‚ At the end of the day, you do whatever you enjoy, and I can't really give advice on that part haha. But from a numbers stand point... that's the direction I'd advise. Some info to help - upgrade costs per permit (based on current ANT cx prices) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287581110808744009/image.png?ex=6814c39a&is=6813721a&hm=78d74ce085bbe660b61df5b2ea1eac51affc912546e5231d5b8700512a3fcaa3& [22-Sep-24 08:08 PM] evov#0000 There's some juicy ones at 13/16/18/20 that seem very worth picking up. [22-Sep-24 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it kinda balances out for that one at 19, lol [22-Sep-24 08:11 PM] evov#0000 Yea, but generally.... average them out and up until 20.. each upgrade is ball park... the cost of a new base. [22-Sep-24 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, they're not terrible. Just need to double the ROI on any given base [22-Sep-24 08:18 PM] evov#0000 TNP is also an interesting choice. Why would you want to build that? The only thing downstream of it is HSE or ship parts. HSE is kinda niche. Weekly trade <500, Supply stock on the CX >3000.. so I'm not predicting any major shortages there (at least not naturally occurring ones) [22-Sep-24 08:23 PM] evov#0000 If you're chasing Afab production down the line... or increased Rfab even - I'd think a WPL base on Heph is a good choice. From memory it's a very low shipping requirement task, and NL / KV can be pressure points for LDE/RDE/ADE (ask me how I know) [22-Sep-24 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 Well, HSE is a component in Gateways, and rather more expensive than I'd like. I would just supply it from the CX but TCS is very low volume on there, I figured it would at least cushion me against shenanigans if I had my own production [22-Sep-24 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 My notes don't mention it, but that's what the Astraeus base would be. at least enough KV production to supply RFAB production [22-Sep-24 08:28 PM] evov#0000 Yea, there's a lot of PP3/PP4 bui time needed for gateways. I suspect prices of all those items will be going up. The HSE track is just very niche, and if the HSE price drops you're left holding the bag on a lot of inputs / bui's that aren't really good for anything else. [22-Sep-24 08:30 PM] evov#0000 The fact that there's zero weekly trade of TC, on any cx, should be worth considering. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287586755054276701/image.png?ex=6814c8dc&is=6813775c&hm=b3ca5f9a076bcd7793fa4efc57edc80d626d4976dfbdf8bbf8070eb2ceabe126& [22-Sep-24 08:30 PM] tanda#0000 TC does seem to go 1:1 into TCS [22-Sep-24 08:30 PM] evov#0000 And into other things [22-Sep-24 08:31 PM] jcheung#0000 wacha need a WPL for [22-Sep-24 08:32 PM] evov#0000 I make some for example - 3x TNP buildings cover my needs for 5 ships per week. ETC goes into stuff that goes into other stuff that goes onto a ship. (FTL engines) [22-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, KV [22-Sep-24 08:33 PM] jcheung#0000 do you need the whole base or partial? [22-Sep-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 well if nothing else, I could always shop the outputs around to shipbuilders, I suppose? [22-Sep-24 08:35 PM] evov#0000 I'd give you a future contract for as much NL as you can produce right now if you wanted to build a WPL base. [22-Sep-24 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 for my plans I would need 3/5ths to 3/4ths of the base's output with 9 WPLs [22-Sep-24 08:38 PM] evov#0000 e.g. 1mil production backed loan {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287588883013566474/image.png?ex=6814cad7&is=68137957&hm=55a6e7e4f6d2e3ad26271724678d749840a72a328332568d0794d3acde554869& [23-Sep-24 01:34 AM] razenpok#0000 RDE The market supply is thin, and day-to-day trading is pretty slow. But every now and then, a customer comes in who slurps in a lot of it in a big batch. Apart from me, there are a couple more producers, and our production combined pretty much overwhelms daily trades. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287663377598119946/image.png?ex=68151038&is=6813beb8&hm=ee78ad7059fcc78857bc0f3acd8fc03dc784316a06288238ef955145fef0f556& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Sep-24 01:35 AM] razenpok#0000 I have a 7 KV/d surplus if you need it [23-Sep-24 01:37 AM] evov#0000 My net CX activity for RDE if that's any help to you {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287664133717889035/image.png?ex=681510ed&is=6813bf6d&hm=4f242e08442bc9a5ba426c9749dec6aeedda23b0c2782996483b8b91a046a791& [23-Sep-24 01:38 AM] evov#0000 I've been a net buyer of RSE/RBH over that period. [23-Sep-24 01:40 AM] evov#0000 other rfabs from my record of cx trades. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287664840688799809/image.png?ex=68151195&is=6813c015&hm=3425f07abc183d7b3c8dfaa303a02e9ae3bcfd5f5208aa3fc2f39dc61d3823cf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287664841070215301/image.png?ex=68151195&is=6813c015&hm=11f168e4087694bc3c8ea393c6022692fb13503268129dab57642574d715493d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1287664841393438762/image.png?ex=68151195&is=6813c015&hm=ada096bb28e5404094b2bf7726b2ceb5002e4817e8dc9b721dae01aaf8897afc& [23-Sep-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 so avoid RDE for now, got it [23-Sep-24 07:21 AM] tanda#0000 that actually cuts off a huge logistics tail [23-Sep-24 11:18 AM] kynadre#0000 I mean it makes sense that it's either trickles of newbros gradually building their first base, or someone kawhomping down a full new base plan who's been around a while [23-Sep-24 11:18 AM] igfloz#0000 I was quite happy with my low output WPLs on Heph, now Tanda's gonna come and take my NL market off me, lol [23-Sep-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 by all means please produce NL [23-Sep-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm consuming quite a lot a day [23-Sep-24 11:22 AM] igfloz#0000 I noticed you yoinked my last CX offering [23-Sep-24 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 gotta produce those hms [24-Sep-24 01:15 AM] evov#0000 I don't have any numbers worked out for this, it's just an idea/concept at this stage. Just sort of throwing the idea out there to see if there is actually need/demand for something like this. Basically wondering if there'd be any benefit in having someone like me deliver smelter inputs to players for free, and buy their outputs at price that reflects zero input costs. Doing delivery/pickup at the smelting planet. Effectively removing transport needs and significantly reducing early cashflow issues. I notice people will produce what little AL they can, send part of a load back to the CX, wait for it to sell, buy whatever inputs they can, and repeat that process until their operation is big enough to be doing full loads on a regular basis. That just sounds like a process that would greatly benefit from outsourced logistics and short term financing. [24-Sep-24 01:18 AM] laaxus#0000 This could work for players before they get their grants [24-Sep-24 01:19 AM] evov#0000 My thoughts were that it would likely be beneficial until people can afford their first ship. Logsitics can be a hard constraint on people's growth/expansion early on. [24-Sep-24 01:19 AM] laaxus#0000 This could be a program for the ADI [24-Sep-24 01:20 AM] razenpok#0000 That's what some folks in AA discord server do [24-Sep-24 01:20 AM] razenpok#0000 Rise and xflqr, for example [24-Sep-24 01:22 AM] evov#0000 Yea, the AA model is a little bit different though as it's usually people dedicating a permit to a long term project and the more established players just take on the bulk of the logistics load. This wouldn't need to be a long term commitment ( or any commitment at all beyond the length of time it takes to smelt/deliver the product ) [24-Sep-24 02:17 AM] jcheung#0000 I've thought about this too [24-Sep-24 02:17 AM] jcheung#0000 I don't have the finances to do it though ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [24-Sep-24 02:19 AM] evov#0000 Rough numbers for AL as a guide. I might have to round-down the buy price a touch to cover shipping etc, but that would be a rough guide. If it's something people are interested in I can potentially expand the concept to all the SME outputs (provided I can secure the inputs needed at scale) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288037186079424584/image.png?ex=6814721b&is=6813209b&hm=ff5336ddfb404fa84d8d3c77ae2e75e6e712614f5de22b3689cdc91e6d58e312& [24-Sep-24 02:20 AM] jcheung#0000 You can likely source ALO cheaper from avacyn [24-Sep-24 02:20 AM] jcheung#0000 O from nano_xxx or avacyn [24-Sep-24 02:21 AM] jcheung#0000 C from... a lot of different people actually [24-Sep-24 02:21 AM] jcheung#0000 Flx probably will cost more than a buck 80 [24-Sep-24 02:21 AM] evov#0000 A 20 SME base will push out 214 AL per day. So, works out to be about 66k per day, without needing to worry about cashflows or logistics. Just receive inputs, smelt, sell outputs. [24-Sep-24 02:21 AM] jcheung#0000 ...also when did ALO hit 160? I swear it was only 110 like... yesterday [24-Sep-24 02:22 AM] realharvey#0000 ALO is heavy. It needs a lot of logistics to move it to the CX [24-Sep-24 02:23 AM] jcheung#0000 Is this 66k before or after workforce? [24-Sep-24 02:23 AM] evov#0000 Those are just the ant market numbers. If I can get it cheaper from people by buying in bulk... sure. [24-Sep-24 02:25 AM] evov#0000 Yea... you'd still need to pay for workforce + repairs. Which is relatively low, but yea, would eat into the 66k per day for sure. [24-Sep-24 02:28 AM] evov#0000 You can always make more $ buy transporting your finished AL up to MOR and sell it there. But again, you're adding time between buying inputs and getting cash for selling the output. And adding logistics costs. So it's a tradeoff between those things mostly. [24-Sep-24 02:29 AM] realharvey#0000 workforce cons is about 63 AIC per unit of AL if you buy at CX prices [24-Sep-24 02:30 AM] evov#0000 So after workforce costs it's 52k per day roughly I guess. [24-Sep-24 02:46 AM] evov#0000 Rough info on cashflow (again, using a smelter base on Deimos making AL as the example ) Shipping - Need a 2k2k ship to drop this off every 3days roughly. ( or starter ship making a trip more than once per day ) 1020 ALO, 170 O, 170 C, 170 FLX -> 333k AIC So by the time you buy it, ship it, process it ship it back and sell it etc, you're looking at around half a mil tied up in stock, and another (roughly) 1mil worth of shipping capital committed to supply it. It's that capital cost, early in the game, which slows down growth for people. That's the main reason I feel like this sort of thing has benefits. Other than that, it's just moving small bits of margin from one plate to another which is kinda zero sum and (to me) uninteresting. [24-Sep-24 03:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Morning all. I have a base on Harmonia that i have focused on Ration production, making water inhouse. 7 Food processors, 7 Farms, 8 Rigs. Ballpark 35000 profit. If i remove the 8 rigs and replace with 2 more farms, and 2 more food processors, then i'm looking at 40000 profit, a healthy increase! Wondering if 5k is worth shipping all that water once a week. With fuel costs, the increase is marginal, 2-3000. [24-Sep-24 03:39 AM] laaxus#0000 you have a full base ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 03:57 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok, i'm not going to amend the base, but going to see if i can amend the orders to make them any more efficient. This is the most balanced i can figure to make it, requiring only worker consumables. 3 ag experts, 3 food industry experts. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288061757058977802/Screenshot_2024-09-24_095523.png?ex=681488fd&is=6813377d&hm=13649d02fb1f31764088fd3d968fb0856463abc01f6e84b28a72e638242617e1& [24-Sep-24 03:57 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Any suggestions welcome! [24-Sep-24 03:58 AM] laaxus#0000 do 5-1 experts [24-Sep-24 03:58 AM] laaxus#0000 99% of the time, 5-1 is better {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 03:59 AM] cruelcoin#0000 And so it is, by about a grand a day. [24-Sep-24 03:59 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Huh. [24-Sep-24 04:00 AM] laaxus#0000 expert bonus is exponential [24-Sep-24 04:00 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Cool thanks. [24-Sep-24 04:01 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Once my base manufactures the 2 extra ag experts i'll apply them [24-Sep-24 04:01 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Any way to prioritise expert growth of a specific type? [24-Sep-24 04:01 AM] laaxus#0000 have more building of that type [24-Sep-24 04:01 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Hurry up and wait so. [24-Sep-24 04:02 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanks for the advice! [24-Sep-24 05:22 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Break even prices for production are 510 AIC per AL (at 0 days from base build), and 486 AIC per AL (~45 days from base build), assuming best case scenario (Inputs.BID.AI1 + Outputs.ASK.AI1). The wrought price volume of said inputs is 408 AIC per AL, with the wrought price volume of said outputs is 840 AIC per AL, yielding a 2:1 profitable production ratio. You already said this part... The operational costs (Repairs + consumables) runs down to 79 AIC per AL, so you're looking at a revenue stream of ~145k AIC daily, to divy up between the contractual parties, to such an arrangement. At an overall base price of ~1mil AIC, I'd say just throw up the build costs, to be included as a inverse coefficient of final price, based on base age, up to 90 days, or less. That should give enough incentive for anyone wishing to take you up on such arrangements, to be a rather easy, and almost painless decision, provided that such people have PRO. Basics are doable, but they have manual ques to setup, and without STO use, their base inventories might entirely overflow, if not handled properly. That being said, there's also a consideration on repair intervals (not too many people read into the maths). I'm sure you'd give a rough overview to any interested, with the explicit recommendation that those participating would repair every 45 days, as compared to the usual 90. The program would be losing a grand total of 1/3 of a day of production volumes, every 90 days, as opposed to the usual 3.5 production days. [24-Sep-24 05:24 AM] evov#0000 You're making 145k/day on a base making AL? Thats very intersting. [24-Sep-24 05:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Like you said, most of the capital required is in the inputs... Assuming null, that's the overall volume of potential revenues. [24-Sep-24 05:25 AM] evov#0000 And the only reason you think AL is worth 840 AIC at the moment is because I bought 50mil worth of it on the weekend. ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Sep-24 05:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Indeed. [24-Sep-24 05:27 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lots of assumptions with FIO data. Those assumptions shouldn't be taken as "guarantees", since all they really are just spot values for current market conditions. Of course, I don't deal with the metals. If this was an agribusiness discussion, I'd be able to confer whether such ideas would be more, or less realistic. ๐Ÿ˜› [24-Sep-24 05:31 AM] evov#0000 "Best case scenario" - good luck with that. You're buying at bids and selling at ask... that means there's MORE time that capital gets tied up as you're waiting for those bids/asks to maybe fill maybe not. The whole point of the offer/exercise is to make new players MORE capital efficient, not less. To take them from 1 base to 2. 2 bases to 3 etc as quickly as possible. [24-Sep-24 05:35 AM] evov#0000 You do a lot of contract shipping I think Roh? What price would you put on taking a 2k/2k load from ANT CX to deimos, and returning with half a load to go back? [24-Sep-24 05:36 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 hmmm [24-Sep-24 05:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 18k, total. [24-Sep-24 05:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 thats with fuel + depreciation + a 10k "fee" [24-Sep-24 05:38 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Deimos is a short run. [24-Sep-24 05:39 AM] evov#0000 Because ship capital is one of those limiting factors for new players. A full smelter base like that would tie up one of their starter shiper perminantly, and greatly limit expansion options imo. [24-Sep-24 05:40 AM] evov#0000 So shipping to supply / return would be about 25-30 per AL is the practical cost of that by the sounds of it. [24-Sep-24 07:16 AM] tanda#0000 it certainly does until you get your first WCB [24-Sep-24 07:16 AM] tanda#0000 or you can do like I did and outsource ALO entirely to the LM [24-Sep-24 07:16 AM] tanda#0000 which worked out pretty great for me, still doing that [24-Sep-24 02:38 PM] kynadre#0000 the smartest thing new players can do is look for good to produce that make a profit, but have way closer buy/sell prices so it's not "so much of a loss" mentally to get the quicker money to inject back into their base, I think [24-Sep-24 02:38 PM] kynadre#0000 idk, it really depends on people needing what they're making [24-Sep-24 02:38 PM] kynadre#0000 everyone's going to make AL as their first thing since it's the metallurgist start, after all [24-Sep-24 02:43 PM] kynadre#0000 plus the last two contracts give you enough BSE and MCG for more extractors, steering players towards "you should keep building these and making more AL" [24-Sep-24 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 Is STL super ~~undervalued ~~ low on demand/high on supply right now? [24-Sep-24 10:00 PM] kynadre#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288334255264501901/image.png?ex=6814de06&is=68138c86&hm=64e01f9b45ad8eba49f5277bc327a5f2777cacca7c35dc7a73474085db806d4e& [24-Sep-24 10:34 PM] tanda#0000 I think I'm going to stop making BFabs [24-Sep-24 11:52 PM] getonthetrain#0000 The universe yearns for REA [24-Sep-24 11:53 PM] evov#0000 What does the universe yearn to do with REA exactly? [24-Sep-24 11:54 PM] getonthetrain#0000 make space wine I imagine, soon more [24-Sep-24 11:55 PM] tanda#0000 take a look at CXM REA [24-Sep-24 11:56 PM] tanda#0000 and then keep in mind it's in the new gateway fuels [24-Sep-24 11:57 PM] evov#0000 ./shrug. I use it for making VG / WIN / ADR and ETC. And have about 7000 of it across the planets that use it. The markets could run completely dry for all I care haha. But I'll start making some more shortly if people really need it. [24-Sep-24 11:58 PM] evov#0000 Got any cheap BRM you wanna sell me? ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 12:00 AM] tanda#0000 I did not put our project together with the idea of exporting BRM [25-Sep-24 12:00 AM] tanda#0000 I preferred moving the REA [25-Sep-24 12:02 AM] evov#0000 Well, that's the BRM market at the moment. So. . . . . might need to start digging. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288364966839058432/image.png?ex=6814faa0&is=6813a920&hm=2eafa42943e384a79608063603d998f74e0480250a2adb3388c967038b2f272c& [25-Sep-24 12:02 AM] getonthetrain#0000 we are very aware [25-Sep-24 12:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 if you have 7k REA, then you have nearly 3x the total amount available galaxy wide [25-Sep-24 12:04 AM] evov#0000 But that's already on the planets that use the stuff. Not going to be selling any of it. [25-Sep-24 12:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 imagine the people that don't have your supply - hence the universe yearns [25-Sep-24 12:05 AM] evov#0000 The ADR / ETC I make with it I have to maintain producting since they're a critical link in making ships. The rest of it. . . . my peeps like WIN, what can I say? [25-Sep-24 12:05 AM] evov#0000 If anyone needs help spooling up a BRM base shout out. [25-Sep-24 12:05 AM] getonthetrain#0000 all good, soon enough there will be plenty [25-Sep-24 12:06 AM] getonthetrain#0000 already on it [25-Sep-24 12:08 AM] tanda#0000 I'm waiting to pull in the next partner too [25-Sep-24 12:08 AM] tanda#0000 Galaxy should be solid on REA in about two months [25-Sep-24 12:09 AM] evov#0000 Shipping about 900 brm to a chp planet for processing now. Should be able to help ease the situation in a few days. [25-Sep-24 12:10 AM] evov#0000 Actually, that's only like 2-300 REA. [25-Sep-24 12:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, the amount and size of BRM is limiting [25-Sep-24 12:17 AM] evov#0000 REA shortage really only affects people making ships or people with SCI level pops to support. Anyone doing either of those things has more than enough $ behind them to sort out solutions. When I see RAT or DW skyrocket, I'll turn the 4 CX's upside down to find a solution to keep that in check ( or if AL is so cheap that all the new players we shoehorn into smelting it are getting screwed ). But problems that are really only problems for well established players.. kinda falls into "not my problem" territory. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 12:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I also put in buy orders for REA [25-Sep-24 01:36 PM] kynadre#0000 question for future planning, what's the tool people use to experiment with ship builds / upgrades, and preview how they work? I know there's been some discussion, I just don't recall [25-Sep-24 01:36 PM] jcheung#0000 BLU [25-Sep-24 01:36 PM] jcheung#0000 That's what i use anyway [25-Sep-24 01:37 PM] kynadre#0000 Thanks! [25-Sep-24 01:37 PM] jcheung#0000 I also don't deep dive it much {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 02:01 PM] kynadre#0000 Oh yeah that's really helpful. Thanks! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288576091019018290/image.png?ex=68151680&is=6813c500&hm=e649cae8f39986b2847d3ebbfb425bcebacf118d8594322dd589a4b5fbbc3cf4& [25-Sep-24 02:16 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mushu-crying-happy-crying-proud-proud-of-you-gif-9330963727422058522 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mushu-crying-happy-crying-proud-proud-of-you-gif-9330963727422058522 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XVKe66d2LTZXvMvhBDHpRi_oQSCw6Jem-dm2UB00Ve0/https/media.tenor.com/gX4-EpEL8BoAAAAe/mushu-crying.png {Reactions} pandaheart [25-Sep-24 04:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc #BLU {Embed} Bliss Corporation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee) [Gabry Ponte Ice Pop Mix] (Original Vi... Are you interested in Eiffel 65 news? Subscribe to the channel: http://bit.ly/1jVW9Sz โ˜… Buy "Blue(Da Ba Dee)" On Itunes: http://apple.co/1Kty2Ab GooglePlay: http://bit.ly/1MXcG4w โ˜… Listen: Spotify: http://spoti.fi/1XokAHa Deezer: http://bit.ly/1jYzB3K Blue (Da Ba Dee) is the title of the debut single of the Italian Eurodance band Eiffel 65, ex... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/csJFJ16NHnNRwOzwBpN2Ds77tqYquPGmMdTa_KpzyiU/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/68ugkg9RePc/hqdefault.jpg [25-Sep-24 04:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I GET ADS IN YOUTUBE INTEGRATION NOW ??? [25-Sep-24 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 the world is getting worse [25-Sep-24 04:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 type in Eve Online in google search.. and you'll get 2 weeks worth of Eve Online Advert #smash-time on youtube. [25-Sep-24 04:06 PM] laaxus#0000 sorry, all I get is durex ads currently [25-Sep-24 04:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't understand how google ad service can be so wrong [25-Sep-24 04:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I also get car selling ads (I don't have a car, I hate cars) [25-Sep-24 04:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The world isn't getting worse, you just have the same entities, chasing fewer currencies. ๐Ÿ˜› [25-Sep-24 04:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I go and view some niche vids on YT... Google then sells my view data, to some third party company, which thinks it's a good idea to project me some ads regarding their niche product.... [25-Sep-24 04:09 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Me, while wanting to go see more niche videos... just completely disregards any adverts that come my way. [25-Sep-24 04:10 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676340 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3p39HbwSV58BWvmp-IfHPgAx0DroqULBfjORLucsaPg/https/media.tenor.com/MUxPw8oToMAAAAAe/kto-kounotoritoken.png [25-Sep-24 04:11 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'd assume that's because most people process it on site due to difficulty shipping [25-Sep-24 04:12 PM] laaxus#0000 I still don't get google ads - I watch ***league of legends content*** - I am a ***Male Software Engineer*** - I am *slightly* autistic, and usually is on my computer the evenings and the best you can give me is a **DUREX AD** ??? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… (2) [25-Sep-24 04:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Would you prefer a furry suit? [25-Sep-24 04:14 PM] laaxus#0000 that would be unironically the most accurate ad for me [25-Sep-24 04:14 PM] laaxus#0000 with maybe travel ad for seoul japan, and snack food ads {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ’š [25-Sep-24 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Well [25-Sep-24 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 I was stereotyping for funsies but if the shoe fits, wear it [25-Sep-24 04:15 PM] laaxus#0000 I won't wear it [25-Sep-24 04:15 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not a furry ( ***yet***) [25-Sep-24 04:16 PM] laaxus#0000 but the probability that I am a furry, is much higher than me needing durex products [25-Sep-24 04:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-we-got-em-gif-21922291 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/we-got-him-we-got-em-gif-21922291 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EZwCZ-e9EL6Ku6tNBNElAN1F4z-bpUuflEJZrQtvvTQ/https/media.tenor.com/qTbFdePSfqMAAAAe/we-got-him-we-got-em.png [25-Sep-24 04:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You need to diversify. ๐Ÿ˜› https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHII-XqEq0 {Embed} Luke Smith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHII-XqEq0 Overpopulation and the Mouse Metaverse (Not Related! REUPLOAD) An episode of Not Related! published on the website last year, but I never uploaded it to YouTube. See https://notrelated.xyz 00:00:00 TED Talk attendees HATE him! 00:01:15 Conspiracies and Georgia Guidestones 00:02:38 Today's readings 00:04:15 Why should population growth be bad? 00:06:54 Malthus and the French Revolution 00:09:43 William Godw... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UVGFL_xhdkWhfxkrsY0qKd9hNkgj4kxee3dQrXf-pl0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/GyHII-XqEq0/maxresdefault.jpg [25-Sep-24 04:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You all have your own AI instances, pointed at your IP addresses.. Take care of them. Train them. Make them beholden to your wants and desires, if they are so true, and you will get gold out of them... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSZfmbFJyQ {Embed} Alfarjamie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSZfmbFJyQ The Silence of the Lambs - It rubs the Lotion on its skin [HD] :3 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4EuMCtjbo3w1yjAFLRDigkk5jIIRPj2Q8w-6v2UtXj4/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/WCSZfmbFJyQ/maxresdefault.jpg [25-Sep-24 04:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Else, gl;hf?!? [25-Sep-24 04:28 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course, it's just a Mechanical Turk reference... oh wait... Amazon already did that, in reality... [25-Sep-24 04:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah. I guess sometimes, you just cycle over the same BS, over, and over and over again... And no one ever learns anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk Yes. they're making fun of y'all. {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk Mechanical Turk The Mechanical Turk, also known as the Automaton Chess Player (German: Schachtรผrke, lit.โ€‰'chess Turk'; Hungarian: A Tรถrรถk), or simply The Turk, was a fraudulent chess-playing machine constructed in 1770, which appeared to be able to play a strong game of chess against a human opponent. For 84 years, it was exhibited on tours by various owners as... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yb2hyA7IWhkX9_B8yz32B25VKJtZglhY_XO7ZjsU6kc/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Racknitz_-_The_Turk_3.jpg/1200px-Racknitz_-_The_Turk_3.jpg [26-Sep-24 03:22 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Morning all. I make 12 BEA, 12 GRN, 12 NUT for ration production. I have recurring orders as shown, but i don't understand why PRUN shows my delta for each as being identical, despite 3 cycles of each taking differing lengths of time? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1288777807152943147/ScreenHunter_16.jpg?ex=681480dd&is=68132f5d&hm=fb0294c7d72f1142276541383c8241893d17d12fbc675aee1adbec7a3771c694& [26-Sep-24 03:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Very simple [26-Sep-24 03:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Imagine you had only one farm [26-Sep-24 03:24 AM] laaxus#0000 And that your production cycle is a->b->c->a etc [26-Sep-24 03:24 AM] laaxus#0000 How could the production not be equal ? [26-Sep-24 03:25 AM] cruelcoin#0000 oh [26-Sep-24 03:25 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I'm actually a dumbass [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 The jobs are in sequence, so the time for the job matters not [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 12 is made [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 12 is made [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 12 is made [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok, i get you. [26-Sep-24 03:26 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanks! [26-Sep-24 07:29 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a First in, First Out method of cyclical production... It's an average, in other words... Some days you might have more BEA/GRN orders than NUTs... On others you will have more orders for NUTs than anything else. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Sep-24 11:38 AM] archielvahr#0000 If you are new to ADI and looking for the gateway co-op thread, it is here: [26-Sep-24 11:38 AM] archielvahr#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1283881894966202469 [26-Sep-24 11:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Second base incoming in T - 3h 30m [27-Sep-24 12:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 imma be seeing ALL the Apex data with this one [27-Sep-24 12:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1289096868407803978/image.png?ex=68150143&is=6813afc3&hm=ce3d5f16a47f2b4c1f0edf2347ebbde87a31b119c02dc8671dd1a98629c499d8& [27-Sep-24 12:31 AM] antisyntax#0000 its basically 4x 27" monitors [27-Sep-24 12:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/mace-windu-star-wars-hes-too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber-gif-16396106 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/mace-windu-star-wars-hes-too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber-gif-16396106 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1Uu-6pScuzQCWB6y-_SBw7qrC_dCrcchU7WBAGI_2zs/https/media.tenor.com/4jiKKwk1JEkAAAAe/mace-windu-star-wars.png [27-Sep-24 12:38 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/1UJL.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/good-lawd-money-thats-a-lot-of-money-gif-12810415 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/M8ptY58rtWpsZBKr91olyuJgpxW4mLEryjRH3hh8k3Y/https/media.tenor.com/EES0R32OOAYAAAAe/good-lawd-money.png [27-Sep-24 12:38 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah [27-Sep-24 12:38 AM] antisyntax#0000 impulse buy [27-Sep-24 12:38 AM] antisyntax#0000 i found it less than 30 minutes ago [27-Sep-24 12:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 tbh it was $1500 of [27-Sep-24 12:42 AM] antisyntax#0000 its a $3k monitor for $1500 (+$100 tax) [27-Sep-24 03:38 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Working hard to ramp up my ice base, But why for the love of god does INS cost so much? And while we're at it, how about the cost of NS huh? [27-Sep-24 11:39 AM] jcheung#0000 there's a couple people that sell INS here for a little less [27-Sep-24 11:39 AM] jcheung#0000 dunno about NS though [27-Sep-24 08:39 PM] antisyntax#0000 my new 4K APEX Setup [27-Sep-24 08:39 PM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1289401150994514033/image.png?ex=6814cb26&is=681379a6&hm=9d857eee66579be691be70ff964a1ef5f32c3c0b7758bf57b31a3cd664ee8124& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ (2) [27-Sep-24 08:40 PM] antisyntax#0000 sorry it had to be cropped, but a 4K screengrab is too big for non-nitro upload limits [27-Sep-24 10:18 PM] avalock#0000 hate non-nitro upload limits [28-Sep-24 03:53 AM] skyrey#0000 What is profitable to produce near to the Anteras CX, and is not logistics intensive? (As in nothing very heavy or large to transport). I am just wondering because I have been growing my cash stockpile and want to put it to good use, but also want to avoid having to constantly be sending ships in and out [28-Sep-24 03:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Chemistry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Sep-24 03:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Chp / pol [28-Sep-24 03:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Manufacturing also [28-Sep-24 03:54 AM] laaxus#0000 BMP WPL [28-Sep-24 03:55 AM] skyrey#0000 Right, the question then is what to choose. I have my own production of carbon - perhaps either PE or PG? [28-Sep-24 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Up to you [28-Sep-24 04:00 AM] skyrey#0000 Noted [28-Sep-24 04:46 AM] realharvey#0000 Markets are constantly moving [28-Sep-24 04:50 AM] realharvey#0000 Going for vertical integration is always an advantage. Makes you more protected from market shifts [28-Sep-24 04:56 AM] evov#0000 There's up and downs. But one of the benefits to vertical integration, is you need to hold onto less stock. If you build/design your production chains such that each step produces slightly more than the next step needs, you never need to worry about running out of an input. [28-Sep-24 04:58 AM] evov#0000 The down side is that you're very "locked in" you end up with a large number of bases that are all integrally connected. So it can be more difficult to make changes in the future if you want to go in a different direction later. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Sep-24 04:03 PM] archielvahr#0000 PG and then Nylon could be a good fit. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Sep-24 04:12 PM] jcheung#0000 NL price has crashed from its high [28-Sep-24 04:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good ๐Ÿ˜ผ [28-Sep-24 04:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can buy more soon [28-Sep-24 04:13 PM] jcheung#0000 I have a pile i need to get to the cx to send to you hal [28-Sep-24 04:13 PM] igfloz#0000 booo, lol - I'm building a small stockpile ๐Ÿ˜› [28-Sep-24 04:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m gonna drop a PP2 base to make LFABs [28-Sep-24 04:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sometime [28-Sep-24 04:14 PM] igfloz#0000 where ? [28-Sep-24 04:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nike Jr [28-Sep-24 04:14 PM] igfloz#0000 rgr [28-Sep-24 04:14 PM] jcheung#0000 I also want to drop a construction base [28-Sep-24 04:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Twill be my third construction base [28-Sep-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'm planning to drop an RFAB base in the near future [28-Sep-24 04:20 PM] tanda#0000 It will be my 4th construction base [30-Sep-24 03:57 AM] cruelcoin#0000 When you place a market order, how can you amend the order? Want to try my hand at some market trading. Is that a done thing? [30-Sep-24 04:09 AM] razenpok#0000 You can delete your order from CXOS, and then create a new one {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Sep-24 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 How's everyone's plans going tonight? [30-Sep-24 10:15 PM] kynadre#0000 as always, bouncing up and down with excitement to build up the funds to figure out what's next [30-Sep-24 10:23 PM] tanda#0000 you might consider doing a sponsored base next just to jumpstart your empire while your permits are cheap [30-Sep-24 10:24 PM] kynadre#0000 sponsored? [30-Sep-24 10:24 PM] tanda#0000 someone else pays for you to run a base for them, feeds you inputs and you sell back the outputs to them for around ~50k income per day for the base [30-Sep-24 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 That, or as a PRO player, you could apply for a loan from one of the major banks and use that to jumpstart the next phase of expansion [30-Sep-24 10:39 PM] kynadre#0000 huh, interesting [30-Sep-24 10:41 PM] kynadre#0000 I know it'll take a few bases for me to be able to afford and justify ship upgrades [30-Sep-24 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 ehh, hopefully not as long as you think [30-Sep-24 10:42 PM] tanda#0000 I know there are some loan options that were being considered as part of the Ship Kit Project [30-Sep-24 10:48 PM] kynadre#0000 gotcha [30-Sep-24 10:48 PM] kynadre#0000 and I've tried to keep my ships busy hauling as supplemental income [30-Sep-24 10:49 PM] tanda#0000 that's definitely a good idea [30-Sep-24 10:49 PM] tanda#0000 Do you have any idea what you want to do next? [30-Sep-24 11:18 PM] kynadre#0000 Well, I can't go for a 2nd AL extraction base or an H extraction base without upgraded haulers [30-Sep-24 11:19 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm thinking about my own production chain and what contributes, what's needed [01-Oct-24 12:29 AM] saltymaggot#0000 I get the more common way nowadays is to use permits for next bases not to expand the current one? [01-Oct-24 12:30 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Getting more area behalf of logistical headache. [01-Oct-24 12:32 AM] getonthetrain#0000 You can play however you want [01-Oct-24 12:33 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Just the first permit gives you 500 area, and if you expand to another planet you get another 500 area. But on the same planet that permit only gives you 250 [01-Oct-24 12:33 AM] getonthetrain#0000 But if you want to play tall, that's up to you [01-Oct-24 01:23 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Every new permit is double the cost? [01-Oct-24 01:27 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Not sure of the amount of increase, but it certainly gets more and more expensive [01-Oct-24 01:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not exactly a double in cost to get the next permit [01-Oct-24 02:05 AM] realharvey#0000 HQ Upgrades (For permit increase) will get really high. My next upgrade to 22 costs 10.000.000 AIC and more. Wasting a permit on just a bit more area is going to cost a lot in the long run [01-Oct-24 02:05 AM] realharvey#0000 In the "early" game. It can be beneficial to keep logistics easy [01-Oct-24 03:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, permits can be revoked form planets later, if you decide to use it for a new base [01-Oct-24 04:46 AM] saltymaggot#0000 Copy [01-Oct-24 04:46 AM] saltymaggot#0000 How many planets are you realistically managing? And how many spaceships one could expect at this point in the game? [01-Oct-24 04:47 AM] saltymaggot#0000 I assume there is no limit how many spaceships you can own? [01-Oct-24 04:56 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It sorta is "double" the cost, per new permit via HQ upgrades.... and sorta isn't( https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ ). You will start noticing the heavy costs when you're up to 21 permits, and want another one. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1290613361549119529/Screenshot_from_2024-10-01_04-54-15.png?ex=681496db&is=6813455b&hm=6644abd74bcaab65c5d77bef2a3ed4e52ba581f5f978610e164a1b23fbfa98c4& {Embed} https://pct.fnar.net/hq/ HQ - PrUn Community Derived Information Community derived data & formulas from the game Prosperous Universe [01-Oct-24 04:58 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It is much less noticeable, if all of your bases are making like 70k profits daily (PIO/SET production), and you manage to sell it all on the CX by the end of the week, though. [01-Oct-24 05:15 AM] evov#0000 You can check out the leader board in game ( open a buffer and type "lead") you can look at all sorts of information. One of them - is how many ships people have -> Every time I look Darkfuel has a couple more than the last time I looked. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1290618161909207151/image.png?ex=68149b54&is=681349d4&hm=41cba6b58ca5998cd7e8cbdccdd257c3e13809426a3ceef085e13fc640720a7a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Oct-24 05:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 136 ships?! ๐Ÿ˜ณ [01-Oct-24 05:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 For what do you need that many - and how do you manage them ๐Ÿซ  [01-Oct-24 05:25 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Darkfuel only plays the shipping game.. They like that aspect of Prun, and want to keep doing it.... [01-Oct-24 05:26 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Of course, they won't be accepting whatever low ball offers you advertise on the CX LM markets, since 1) they have a high-bar of ROI requirements, and 2) there is competition. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Oct-24 05:57 AM] realharvey#0000 I manage 23 Bases and 12 Big ships (2000k/2000K and 3000k/1000K) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Oct-24 05:59 AM] evov#0000 35 planets -27 ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿซฃ [01-Oct-24 06:00 AM] razenpok#0000 10 planets, 2 ships (3000k/1000k) [01-Oct-24 06:01 AM] realbandit#0000 21 bases, 2 ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿค ๐Ÿ‡ท ๐Ÿ‡ช ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ˜‚ DiCaprioLaugh [01-Oct-24 06:18 AM] avalock#0000 wruff wruff arf bark {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ (2) [01-Oct-24 06:19 AM] avalock#0000 , Awoooooo {Reactions} ๐ŸŒฒ (2) [01-Oct-24 12:10 PM] kynadre#0000 Weird, was trying to use the PRUNplanner to test some 2nd base ideas and anything I add or look at is showing like values of 0, so I can't compare anything on production [01-Oct-24 12:10 PM] kynadre#0000 for bases I already had tested ideas on, values are there [01-Oct-24 12:11 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Did you make a new empire for these ideas? [01-Oct-24 12:11 PM] kynadre#0000 No I didn't [01-Oct-24 12:11 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, I made a new empire to see expansion possibilities and the same thing happened. I removed the CX and then re-added and it worked. try that maybe {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Oct-24 12:13 PM] kynadre#0000 OH it's because I didn't add a bunch of population to work the buildings, DUH [01-Oct-24 12:13 PM] kynadre#0000 *facepalm* [02-Oct-24 10:39 AM] sleep_unique#0000 I cannot get the hang of PRUNplanner to start off with ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Oct-24 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 https://youtu.be/Vi-i6rLZMaQ {Embed} Lord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi-i6rLZMaQ How to use Prunplanner for Prosperous Universe Hopefully this video helps you understand how to set up Prunplanner, if you have any questions please leave them below --Links-- The official Prosp discord https://discord.gg/YkwpJ2hdDE Link to Prunplanner https://prunplanner.org/ Background audio used https://youtu.be/EM5KwkTQzsE Ending music from Sweet Cafe https://youtu.be/6DhONAQfEVg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DSq6GXwpy1FwDBpBlIBMy2TpSSXULzOp4ckXQXPKUp0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Vi-i6rLZMaQ/maxresdefault.jpg [02-Oct-24 10:47 AM] sleep_unique#0000 Oh well would you look at that [02-Oct-24 10:47 AM] sleep_unique#0000 Thanks so much [02-Oct-24 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 np [02-Oct-24 02:39 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Omg.... Prune*-planner? I feel that enunciation is turning the game into a gardening simulator (if you've a Promitor starter, I feel bad for you, cuz that's your situation, in name and in action) :/ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [02-Oct-24 02:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, this game isnโ€™t about gardening? Why am I wasting all this time growing crops ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Oct-24 02:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” [02-Oct-24 02:46 PM] jcheung#0000 I believe at that scale it's left gardening and entered farming [02-Oct-24 02:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 When imaginary boxes and numbers get you THC infused, plant-based hamburger patties, I'm all for it. It actually beats working those rice fields yourself. ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Oct-24 02:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-rice-fields-japan-gif-16533178 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-rice-fields-japan-gif-16533178 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PHdHrfTCO_J2cSw_2rNz3dq4lumCKEHUZvZhC5ZlIq8/https/media.tenor.com/WNp4lLFsfZoAAAAe/welcome-to-the-rice-fields-japan.png [02-Oct-24 05:14 PM] sleep_unique#0000 So my plan is to become a self sustaining farming colony and branch out from there, is that a pretty sound plan or am I missing something? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 05:15 PM] igfloz#0000 its how I started [02-Oct-24 05:15 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Nice, so a few more rigs, a couple more farmsteads and I'm set [02-Oct-24 05:17 PM] igfloz#0000 ...although, I should say I benefited from another player buying all my GRN. I'd look for these kind of partnerships that can benefit you. The CX market for agri can be slow [02-Oct-24 05:17 PM] igfloz#0000 Harmonia right ? [02-Oct-24 05:17 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Yeaa [02-Oct-24 05:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 Farmers are a bit underpayed right now since people grow their own stuff [02-Oct-24 05:18 PM] sleep_unique#0000 I got a lil welcome to harmonia from prodigus but I wasn't able to find them to ping them a thank you [02-Oct-24 05:18 PM] igfloz#0000 ok... Im gonna suggest that rigs might not be worth it on Harmonia. Overall it will be more efficient to buy H2O from the CX and transport [02-Oct-24 05:19 PM] sleep_unique#0000 But *I'm* supposed to be the **breadbasket** [02-Oct-24 05:19 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Okay, that's the kinda insight I was looking for [02-Oct-24 05:19 PM] sleep_unique#0000 I'm figuring out prunplanner so I can play around with some plans [02-Oct-24 05:19 PM] igfloz#0000 get your Agri experts up to lvl 5, dont bother growing the extrator experts (rigs) - not worth the effort {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 05:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 Farms go with food processing as one set up [02-Oct-24 05:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 Look into getting your farms into RATs and DW [02-Oct-24 05:21 PM] sleep_unique#0000 That was the plan for now as it seems they'll always be in demand [02-Oct-24 05:21 PM] sleep_unique#0000 I just wait for experts right? [02-Oct-24 05:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah and in large quatities [02-Oct-24 05:21 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Perfect [02-Oct-24 05:21 PM] igfloz#0000 RAT always sells - but its how efficiently you make the RAT - I'd argue that FRM & RAT on the same base is in-efficient [02-Oct-24 05:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do buy some RCO if you wanna do it as a side hustle [02-Oct-24 05:23 PM] marat_sh#0000 Right now I use like ~16 RCO per day [02-Oct-24 05:23 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† and these are the kinda partner links that I mentioned earlier ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 05:23 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Haha yeah absolutely [02-Oct-24 05:26 PM] sleep_unique#0000 FRM as in farmstead right? As in ship in the raw mat for RAT and the needs for the workers and pivot to having just food processors? [02-Oct-24 05:26 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Sorry I'm just getting to grips with the acronyms [02-Oct-24 05:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 also if you are not sure what we are talking about type "mat RAT" in buffer It will give you item description [02-Oct-24 05:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 if it's a building type "bui FRM" [02-Oct-24 05:28 PM] sleep_unique#0000 gotcha, I just went through base buildings to find it, I'm not up on the commands yet [02-Oct-24 05:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 you will get used to it ๐Ÿ˜… It's faster then doing multiple clicks [02-Oct-24 05:30 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, FRM is a farm, FP is a food processor. Each planet has a cogc bonus (Harmonia bonus is Agricuture (FRM)) - another planet would have a bonus for FP - Having both on harmonia would lose you any bonus for FP, same for RIG (rigs for water - they come under resource extraction bonus) [02-Oct-24 05:31 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Okay so how viable do you reckon just doing FRM would be, would make sense to capitalise on the bonus [02-Oct-24 05:32 PM] marat_sh#0000 try to use buildings from the COGC bonus. Later when you have money you can "ignore" that rule [02-Oct-24 05:33 PM] marat_sh#0000 how many FRMs do you have right now? [02-Oct-24 05:33 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Just the starter setup [02-Oct-24 05:33 PM] igfloz#0000 start here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291166231038132234/image.png?ex=68149f82&is=68134e02&hm=0c52bdaf9a0ebe5d3b16c339274d6e545801ad355c2faddc7393691df4d947ae& [02-Oct-24 05:34 PM] igfloz#0000 ...you don't have to make HQ on planet [02-Oct-24 05:35 PM] igfloz#0000 I think 13 FRM and 1 STO can fit in the 500 space ?? been a while since I checked in PP [02-Oct-24 05:36 PM] sleep_unique#0000 It appears I already have [02-Oct-24 05:37 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, thats fine HQ location can also provide other bonuses - but not for this conversation [02-Oct-24 05:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 HQ location is per faction. If you have HQ in Anaters faction you get bonus to electronics [02-Oct-24 05:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 to all of your bases [02-Oct-24 05:38 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Sweet well I better make some plans to build more FRMs [02-Oct-24 05:38 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Yeah I'll relocate it to the agri one when I can [02-Oct-24 05:38 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0jaVSXb_KPBtHCqAKEx-kOuGUOBGW_b5rNk7_jOlKJs/https/media.tenor.com/LfPfY-g9XTwAAAAe/heresy-detected.png [02-Oct-24 05:39 PM] igfloz#0000 your gonna need at least 1 STO (storage) also [02-Oct-24 05:39 PM] sleep_unique#0000 do the habs not count for space also? [02-Oct-24 05:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 they do [02-Oct-24 05:39 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Also thanks for helping me out, I started the other day [02-Oct-24 05:39 PM] igfloz#0000 you'll fill that very quickly tho [02-Oct-24 05:40 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Got the ship space too but ig they'll be out shipping often [02-Oct-24 05:43 PM] igfloz#0000 it's a long term profit kinda game, you won't "win" anything by Friday....... You WILL need ship upgrades............. I appreciate that your ships will be moving, but that is gonna cost you fuel, which does have a long term impact on your bottom line [02-Oct-24 05:44 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Oh yeah I've played another long term browser game for years now I'm in it for the long haul [02-Oct-24 05:44 PM] igfloz#0000 .........plus what we call burn items (overalls, water, rations, etc.) [02-Oct-24 05:46 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Hah ofc, okay well I've got a good goal in mind to start carving out some profit to focus on for a while. That's what I was trying to get advice on so thank you [02-Oct-24 05:46 PM] igfloz#0000 no problem at all ๐Ÿ™‚ [02-Oct-24 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 It's a slow burner You don't have to rush. You will make money mostly on anything. The difference is how fast you make money [02-Oct-24 06:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 Play at your own pace [02-Oct-24 06:07 PM] sleep_unique#0000 For sure, I'll let you know when I set up RCO for ya too [02-Oct-24 06:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will be free tomorrow 03-Oct-24 09:00 AM I can give you some tips how to plan things out [02-Oct-24 06:09 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Awesome god I love that I can wfh [02-Oct-24 06:11 PM] sleep_unique#0000 I could tailor my setup to entirely RCO for you and it will still not cover what you go through in a day lmao [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 and that's a good thing ๐Ÿ˜… That means you can sell 100% of your output [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Just what I was thinking :D [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's bad when items just sit there [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Yea just costing money [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Think that's what I'll do actually [02-Oct-24 06:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 not really costing Just not making money [02-Oct-24 06:13 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Well yea I was thinking if it was stored in a warehouse [02-Oct-24 06:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 You will have to bring it to CX though [02-Oct-24 06:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 I don't have a base at harmonia [02-Oct-24 06:13 PM] sleep_unique#0000 No worries I was gonna be doing that anyway [02-Oct-24 06:13 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Can set up a contract for it tho right? [02-Oct-24 06:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 there is 100 BID orders for RCO at 1500/u [02-Oct-24 06:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah you can send me the contracts for now, but for future I will set a BID and you can sell it there [02-Oct-24 06:14 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Gotcha [02-Oct-24 06:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 The reason why I prefer CX over Contracts that it doesn't tie you with obligations {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Oct-24 06:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 if one day you wanna swap your RCO to something else [02-Oct-24 06:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 you don't have the obligation to keep selling it [02-Oct-24 06:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 especially if it's not really worth for you to sell RCO [02-Oct-24 06:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 I also may or may not bought all of the RCO from CX recently ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Oct-24 06:17 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am sitting at 120 RCO right now ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Oct-24 06:17 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Yea well it defo seems like the highest profit I can get haha [02-Oct-24 06:18 PM] sleep_unique#0000 ROI in 5 days if I can use the more complicated recipe [02-Oct-24 06:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah because this kind soul is buying RCO at 1500/u {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291177576496107631/image.png?ex=6814aa13&is=68135893&hm=b0979a2b5c8009bbd4e7598bdf12a03685f5f829b55313eded5c6571ae9c0c1b& [02-Oct-24 06:18 PM] marat_sh#0000 but only 130 RCO [02-Oct-24 06:19 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Ahh [02-Oct-24 06:19 PM] marat_sh#0000 if you wanna do a long game you can sell it at ASK at your own price BUT it will be slower depending how strong the need for RCO [02-Oct-24 06:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 as a reference last price for RCO was 1200/u [02-Oct-24 06:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 That what I bought it for [02-Oct-24 06:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 so this person is paying more then the last price [02-Oct-24 06:20 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Even if avg drops it's still dependable selling to you [02-Oct-24 06:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah if you sell all 130 to them You ever need to wait for more BIDs or Set at ASK [02-Oct-24 06:21 PM] getonthetrain#0000 RCO and HERB will always find a nice market of buyers [02-Oct-24 06:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 ^ [02-Oct-24 06:21 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Perfect [02-Oct-24 06:22 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will tell you why tomorrow in VC ๐Ÿ˜… There will to much to type so it's faster to just drop into the call and share screen ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Oct-24 06:22 PM] sleep_unique#0000 Haha sounds good [02-Oct-24 06:23 PM] jcheung#0000 I think i was fighting you for that [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/maybe-not-i-dont-know-maybe-we-dont-know-gif-4965071280460852343 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/maybe-not-i-dont-know-maybe-we-dont-know-gif-4965071280460852343 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/_RAtCF72inA9Cb6sLyJtiSydtE9k6imd0fduncWIqGU/https/media.tenor.com/ROd6BgRc7HcAAAAe/maybe-not-i-dont-know.png [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 I can share though ๐Ÿ˜… If you need some I can sell it at the same price to you [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 I just didn't want it to leave ANT ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] jcheung#0000 No, I'm good for the moment [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 there is 120 LEFT [02-Oct-24 06:24 PM] jcheung#0000 I got some at HRT [02-Oct-24 06:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 alright Just let me know if you gonna need some [02-Oct-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 I have so much money tied up in inventory [02-Oct-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 It's kinda sad [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am selling 90% of my inventory ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 .... [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 the only thing on ANT warehouse right now is the inputs for more [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Wacha sellin [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 PE / MCG / PSM / EXO / REP / MG [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 More importantly at what price xD [02-Oct-24 06:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 Used to EXO and REPs [02-Oct-24 06:27 PM] jcheung#0000 I think hal would happily buy your psm [02-Oct-24 06:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 Already selling it to him ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Oct-24 06:27 PM] jcheung#0000 Hah [02-Oct-24 06:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 I found buyers first before expanding [02-Oct-24 06:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah the margins might not be as good as CX ASK but I don't hold anything [02-Oct-24 06:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 PE at 8/u, PSM at 2000/u and MCG on CX [02-Oct-24 06:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 I do even sell MG to Spermatozoon Saloon | PAC from time to time [02-Oct-24 06:30 PM] marat_sh#0000 better to have $1 in hand then $4 in the plans [02-Oct-24 06:32 PM] kynadre#0000 sooo much to learn... [03-Oct-24 10:19 AM] marat_sh#0000 @sleep_unique I am free, if you wanna hang out in VC [03-Oct-24 10:34 AM] sleep_unique#0000 Yo, fo sho [03-Oct-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XmbJlomBQqx4RNRqt5k18xOZtinlSefq8T2QRZZWzk8/https/media.tenor.com/54MsSn8iyMgAAAAe/bartlett-west.png [03-Oct-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 It's resupply 30 again already {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [03-Oct-24 07:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 honestly I think the amount of green in my xit burn is a good reflection of how I'm doing any given week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291564204410540063/image.png?ex=6814c0a6&is=68136f26&hm=c29507ca38a284ff7a5d312c5a1b592acb8c1c194015d9dcdbc72df0d1b72f0b& [03-Oct-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 I don' think I've seen green in a while [03-Oct-24 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291564484653092986/image.png?ex=6814c0e9&is=68136f69&hm=1c96cee106a6f21e0b19f2365fe46462a6a63e432b45c17b73da962ce59ab510& [03-Oct-24 07:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fNp3bryqMEsM5eX2Ws7bGPEBAOW10Bq9D-3T2ALGVs8/https/media.tenor.com/1I3KJAfgBN4AAAAe/subida.png [03-Oct-24 07:59 PM] manhim#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291565280572739634/image.png?ex=6814c1a7&is=68137027&hm=f9ad4e3594cb35dd6c570a498e4bd9e3c8d86e449f72e7c8885a366ff3bdf122& [03-Oct-24 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 hey at least none of them are at 0 days [03-Oct-24 07:59 PM] tanda#0000 for now [03-Oct-24 08:00 PM] jcheung#0000 is it bad that many of your greens would be yellows for me? [03-Oct-24 08:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 not at all ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Oct-24 08:00 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've gotten significantly leaner now that I use the action packages [03-Oct-24 08:00 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291565671519617075/image.png?ex=6814c204&is=68137084&hm=7f39e3df484dedff60c1d7e2362c6f4fcdd67e5c3becc2e364a45e1208333c8d& [03-Oct-24 08:01 PM] jcheung#0000 i should really get around to playing with that thing [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] kynadre#0000 @tanda why is it that SE-110b is "agriculture" when its fertility is zero? How does that even work? [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] manhim#0000 Is there a way to generate a grocery list of stuff I need for every bases? [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] jcheung#0000 hydroponics [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 it is primarily used as a HYF base due to its extreme proximity to Ice Station Alpha [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] kynadre#0000 ohhhhhh [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] jcheung#0000 PMMG's XIT BURN [03-Oct-24 08:03 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291566427681198162/image.png?ex=6814c2b8&is=68137138&hm=99f5ee1fa9ccb6536a7c2d5a8b0d91c32dcb37d6c0d31082cfb1cd86fab52ccb& [03-Oct-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 combined with very short transit times, ISA and SE-110b are a match made in heaven {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [03-Oct-24 08:04 PM] kynadre#0000 That makes sense now [03-Oct-24 08:04 PM] jcheung#0000 or prunplanner's shopping cart {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291566604450267136/image.png?ex=6814c2e2&is=68137162&hm=1c09b118bd006d8718093aae047e90a947f7c2d916efd1a772dd31a3f024224a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] manhim#0000 Oh, nice [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] jcheung#0000 you could also take FIO data and massage it yourself in a sheet [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 I plug those totals into a spreadsheet just to make shopping easier {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1291566835728121897/image.png?ex=6814c319&is=68137199&hm=ba91fac1543383f37a7329214f10a1a8d3e84574121247b64bea221571b80a6a& [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] jcheung#0000 ...kinda like that [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 and then you can use XIT action to generate the list and buy the stuff for you (and load it on a ship) ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] manhim#0000 That's what I was thinking once my bases become more complex [03-Oct-24 08:05 PM] jcheung#0000 or an app if your skills allow for it [03-Oct-24 08:07 PM] manhim#0000 Mmm, an app wouldn't be that hard to do if I hardcode everything ๐Ÿค” [03-Oct-24 08:07 PM] jcheung#0000 well. you could also feed off FIO too [03-Oct-24 08:08 PM] jcheung#0000 but yeah, you could also hardcode consumption, knowing it's gonna be a little off [03-Oct-24 08:08 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, FIO is the best way to obtain data right? and it updates only when I load the inventory in my viewport right? [03-Oct-24 08:08 PM] jcheung#0000 pretty much [03-Oct-24 08:09 PM] manhim#0000 I was thinking more about hard coding my base setup and logistics, but using FIO's numbers [03-Oct-24 08:09 PM] jcheung#0000 FIO does actually give you base layout [03-Oct-24 08:09 PM] jcheung#0000 whether or not it's useful to you is another story [03-Oct-24 08:10 PM] manhim#0000 I haven't looked at what's available with FIO that much outside of market data for my sheets [03-Oct-24 08:11 PM] jcheung#0000 a lot [03-Oct-24 08:11 PM] jcheung#0000 name something and there's a decent chance it's there [03-Oct-24 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 you can make a self-updating inventory very easily with it (thanks sidepipe) {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [03-Oct-24 08:12 PM] jcheung#0000 material recipies? yep. i don't like how it's organized, but yep. CX listings? yep. LM listings? yep. [03-Oct-24 08:12 PM] manhim#0000 Mmm, interesting [03-Oct-24 08:13 PM] jcheung#0000 what category buildings are for cogc purposes? yep. [03-Oct-24 08:14 PM] manhim#0000 I wanted to make a BMP base, but run it inventory-based rather than just queueing the same things over and over. I could probably make something to automate my logistical needs based timeframes and calculate optimal ways to queue each productions. [03-Oct-24 08:15 PM] tanda#0000 that's relatively easy after the initial stocking phase [03-Oct-24 08:15 PM] tanda#0000 just have a BURN like part of the spreadsheet that checks for levels of stock [03-Oct-24 08:15 PM] tanda#0000 and flags critical needs as red so you can swap over production [05-Oct-24 06:36 PM] archielvahr#0000 Pinned a message. [07-Oct-24 12:34 AM] antisyntax#0000 have been away for a few months. action packages? what are those? [07-Oct-24 01:03 AM] antisyntax#0000 geez. just realized i got to make a round trip from Deimos > Nascent > Harmonia > ANT every single week, fully volumed out, just for consumable burn, not including transporting prod supplies and products between bases. no wonder i couldn't keep up. 2k volume weekly and i have two 1k vol ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿซ‚ [07-Oct-24 01:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 and to repair my ships and buildings will cost me 1.2mil, smh why did i go awol for a few months... [07-Oct-24 01:16 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292732302547488799/image.png?ex=68150c06&is=6813ba86&hm=9eb1d6fe2321b11c61199aa38a219e66be384cb9d6aef90e6d46c210271fa728& [07-Oct-24 01:30 AM] tanda#0000 Welcome back! [07-Oct-24 01:30 AM] antisyntax#0000 thanks ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Oct-24 01:31 AM] antisyntax#0000 what ill probably do is repair and get everything running one base at a time, starting with deimos since im sitting on some ALO, that will help fund the rest {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 01:32 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah deimos needs repair badly. Looks like you haven't repaired it since it got built! [07-Oct-24 01:32 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah........... [07-Oct-24 01:44 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292739391420108820/PRUN_Repair_Costs_Per_Base.pdf?ex=681512a0&is=6813c120&hm=ea0cb89e38e10b7e5f596c16322e3c0dade05e4c811a9b22f91228a1358926c4& [07-Oct-24 01:44 AM] antisyntax#0000 still a big yikes [07-Oct-24 01:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 wow. just like that the first page cost me 1.1million [07-Oct-24 01:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 im down to 575 AIC [07-Oct-24 01:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 and i still wasn't able to get all the COF [07-Oct-24 02:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 so i made COF irl to make up for it ๐Ÿ™ƒ ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Oct-24 02:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 double chocolate mocha {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [07-Oct-24 03:05 AM] cruelcoin#0000 When you offer shipping contracts on the local market, how do you guys price your jobs? Do you price for max fuel or min? [07-Oct-24 03:13 AM] razenpok#0000 I just price them 10/t or 10/m3, whichever is bigger [07-Oct-24 03:13 AM] razenpok#0000 Unless it's unreasonable [07-Oct-24 03:15 AM] razenpok#0000 That's a bit more than people pay in average, but I'm okay with that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [07-Oct-24 06:00 AM] antisyntax#0000 my updated APEX layout: what do y'all think? any suggestions? I'm thinking the notifs and repairs (once my stuff is repaired) isn't entirely necessary to have on my main screen, so i'm open to suggestions for useful tiles ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292803755078586428/Screenshot_from_2024-10-07_06-57-53.png?ex=6814a5d2&is=68135452&hm=12a6750445c27172a514c40002ad71764787b6f183761c5bad4e717036825bb5& [07-Oct-24 06:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I use xit burn_all or something [07-Oct-24 06:04 AM] antisyntax#0000 i was thinking of using that, however i like having each base's burn so i know how much to bring to each planet, but one of the tiles to show total consumption would be useful, [07-Oct-24 06:07 AM] realharvey#0000 Xit burn all shows you the consumption of all bases, but also displays them separately [07-Oct-24 06:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah i see, now i got to re-arrange my entire screen ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Oct-24 06:09 AM] realharvey#0000 Overall it's a very cool screen for managing 3 bases [07-Oct-24 06:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Oct-24 06:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 there, i did a xit burn all to see a very easy-to-read overview of how much time i have for each base [07-Oct-24 06:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292807524281487451/image.png?ex=6814a954&is=681357d4&hm=c6874c560a39c861a0cd9c6dff0acd99d032830d17b5d790dbeb6cd305a5cd5b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Oct-24 06:31 AM] antisyntax#0000 honest question here, why isn't Antares II Vulcan more inhabited as a FEO EXT? It's practically empty, and other than the pressure I see no reason why it isn't full, given its proximity to Deimos and ANT [07-Oct-24 06:45 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's for the same reason, that Pallada, being a FP COGC right on MOR CX, isn't more inhabited. HSE + INS added construction costs, along with its generally off the beaten path of new-bro **"firsties"**, being their first 1-3 bases. It's a very long-term game, and Vulcan was only recently started up as an interesting planet to develop, ohh idk, like 6-12 months ago? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [07-Oct-24 06:47 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, more like just over 2 years ago... But you're starting to get more peeps interested, which is why it's at ~90 bases, rather than like 1-10 bases. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [07-Oct-24 07:11 AM] sidepipe#0000 They basically let you buy materials and load a ship to resupply a base or repair a base in a more automated fashion - it does all the math and fills out all the CXPO and MTRA buffers, all you need to do is click buy and transfer a lot. Welcome back ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 07:20 AM] antisyntax#0000 that sounds amazing. how does one go about setting one up? [07-Oct-24 08:03 AM] antisyntax#0000 we back in business, boys! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292834702205386865/image.png?ex=6814c2a4&is=68137124&hm=a2d8a91edeb36c090dbe7ddc82ea4b242f8947d90e37fe2d4a5ce0e2aa5e3df4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [07-Oct-24 08:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah, forgot to repair my prod lines. now its down to 9 hours lel [07-Oct-24 08:06 AM] razenpok#0000 Man, love dem NaN profits [07-Oct-24 08:12 AM] antisyntax#0000 right? ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Oct-24 08:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 Take a look at the XIT Action buffer ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Oct-24 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292841164638261292/image.png?ex=6814c8a9&is=68137729&hm=bebd98b2adf5f7e93b86960b670eec465f3cb89003a924afc7ccb5b2542d0330& [07-Oct-24 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 This is how the typical resupply ends up looking - a 'Material Group' for the planet at the top that tells the script what to buy and how much, and then CX Buy / MTRA actions assigned to that group [07-Oct-24 08:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 you'll need a CXPO window for every thing you buy and an MTRA window open to actually execute it [07-Oct-24 08:39 AM] razenpok#0000 ``` > Nike resupply 15 > looks inside > Resupply Nike with 10 days of supplies ``` {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292843632004563078/cat-looks-inside-cat.png?ex=6814caf5&is=68137975&hm=b3d7547f88d3e2c16e1be7ea429fd3987d7e379eabfb004e913d92f601e176bb& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (3) [07-Oct-24 10:48 AM] manhim#0000 I've done that for project-based management, but I'm not 100% satisfied. You just need to update the "Want" column and everything is generated automatically through queries with the help of other data sheets. I'm thinking about coding something that generates a list of action items with a dependency system rather than that to make easier to run multiple projects in parallel. But I also feel like I'm going to over-engineer this ๐Ÿค” . {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292876271931621507/image.png?ex=6814e95b&is=681397db&hm=e030eaf5fe8e21ea0e9a8fd401256302bc55ba3685261b799ec5650bf8d13df3& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1292876272359178271/image.png?ex=6814e95b&is=681397db&hm=41729f95911159488bc392a523a4d105487371fc3e8eb68d74f2bcc2b65e069b& [07-Oct-24 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 you can't over engineer [07-Oct-24 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 that's the only thing one can do {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [09-Oct-24 11:47 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I love it. I have a "stockpile" sheet that works kinda like that. I just set the 'want' value to whatever my target stockpile is for a material on a specific planet, and it checks that value against my FIO inventory and gives me a report of what is needed and where. Super useful in the few areas where XIT BURN isn't enough. Like keeping stocks of material that aren't for production like fuel. [09-Oct-24 11:48 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Can also be used to track what I have for sale and where [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, right now I'm cleaning my sheet up and plugging many FIO API endpoints to automate even more stuff. Currently scratching my head because I'm working an a recursive algorithm so that I can easily manage recipes that are required from recipes from other locations (Right now it's very ad-hoc and won't scale - or will take my sanity away to maintain as I grow). But, right now, my goal is to write up a list of wants, have it spew a project in the form of a checklist, then have a way to copy-paste that checklist in a "master" checklist where I can put multiple projects into. I'm thinking about having 2 project types for now: Resupply and Production. Resupply will basically take all info (a kind of snapshot) from the inventory API endpoints and will find anything that's in the yellow or red (Defined manually), then will add stock (buy) + transport tasks to it's list of tasks that I will be able to copy. Production will be the "wants" stuff where it will create 3 types of tasks: stock (buy) + transport + produce (+ transport intermediates + produce intermediates). [09-Oct-24 12:02 PM] manhim#0000 And probably a 3rd-4th one for base building and base repairs. [09-Oct-24 12:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I use in-game buffers for consumable resupplies... For production supplies, I just learn some min limits. For repairs, I repair every 45 days, so I'll need to use 1/4 of my production building construction costs, as a general rule. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1293624311042805851/Screenshot_from_2024-10-09_12-19-35.png?ex=6814ff06&is=6813ad86&hm=48662c2d2f7ad82cad2a93ffdfd340f45b45ba14ad9d9d5db618523365fc1726& [09-Oct-24 12:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Your spreadsheet time is best used for production mapping/pricing. Your time is limited. No need to waste effort on stuff that has several redundancies, via basic maths. [09-Oct-24 12:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's also PMMG Extended, which cuts down on alot of that maths, if you play via browser. [09-Oct-24 03:42 PM] mancules#0000 New to PrUn, looking at expanding my starter base. Currently, have 1 O2 collector, 1 ALO extractor, and 2 smelters making AL. Just playing around with how I can expand, make it more self sufficient and of course turn a bigger profit. What is considered a good ROI on investments into infrastructure like this? From what I've messed with I've been sitting around a 40-45 day ROI, seems like it could be long but then again we're playing PU but my other hang up is I'd only be increasing profits by a few thousand a day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Oct-24 03:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 Getting your own ALO helps a lot with logistics since you will be smelting it where you getting it... and it's pretty heavy if you gonna outsource it or scale [09-Oct-24 03:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 try not to overproduce ALO and use as much as you consuming it since most of your income will come from AL then ALO [09-Oct-24 03:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can also mix in Si / Li / Ti [09-Oct-24 03:48 PM] marat_sh#0000 they sell at higher price then AL but with less demand [09-Oct-24 03:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 but you would need to source the ore for them [09-Oct-24 03:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 also O2 is not that expansive so you can drop O2 collector and replace it with more SME [09-Oct-24 03:51 PM] igfloz#0000 I do OK with selling ALO to preferred buyers. I have only just strted smelting small amounts of AL myself [09-Oct-24 03:52 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and I'd argue that there are many buyers who would commit to buying ALO at a "good" price [09-Oct-24 03:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 Correct... A lot of people have their own extractors for ALO, but they could drop them if ALO is cheap enough to just expand the production [09-Oct-24 03:53 PM] marat_sh#0000 but problem with logistics still there [09-Oct-24 03:55 PM] igfloz#0000 WCB for the win..... thats the 1st thing I went for.... bigger ship (but, there was also the opportunity back then) - Hope we get the PSK to run properly for others to take advantage [09-Oct-24 04:55 PM] mancules#0000 I gotcha, I played around with the PrUn a bit more, and focused a build just on producing AL, this looks a lot more lucrative than what I was doing before. Is focusing a whole base like this solely on manufacturing a basic metal a good idea and then expanding onto another base to further refine it into goods or would y'all just leave it be and sell off all the AL? [09-Oct-24 05:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 You can use our own AL for production yourself Most of it will go into construction category [09-Oct-24 05:19 PM] mancules#0000 I figured for a start producing a good amount of AL and then moving into refining some of it into SI. There's a good demand/supply for SI at Antares and the supplies I'd need. Eventually I'd further expand, maybe into those constructions or find a use for the SI but it'll be a hot minute before I have that kind of money, this is my PrUn sheet if anyone wants to see, it's pretty basic though https://prunplanner.org/shared/bc937fd0-de49-4aec-ace0-d2518c81ec30 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/bc937fd0-de49-4aec-ace0-d2518c81ec30 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Oct-24 05:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 try something like this instead [09-Oct-24 05:47 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/86de6d6b-019a-49d5-97e7-40a79660619d {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/86de6d6b-019a-49d5-97e7-40a79660619d PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [09-Oct-24 05:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 later you can drop 1 EXT and get another STO [09-Oct-24 05:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 2 STO in total [09-Oct-24 05:51 PM] marat_sh#0000 Also looking at amount of Li BIDs you can get away with producing Li for quite a bit [09-Oct-24 05:56 PM] mancules#0000 Thanks for this! Definitely better than where I was at lol [09-Oct-24 05:57 PM] mancules#0000 I did notice that there's 5 metallurgy experts in this plan, can you purchase/hire experts, my understanding is they just show up but that's probably wrong [09-Oct-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 no It's a long term [09-Oct-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 you get 3 of them in a few weeks [09-Oct-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 4th takes a bit [09-Oct-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 and 5th a month or so [09-Oct-24 05:58 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can have 6 experts on a planet total [09-Oct-24 05:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 they all have their own progression bar [09-Oct-24 05:59 PM] mancules#0000 Gotcha gotcha, thanks for the info, it's greatly appreciated! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Oct-24 06:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 with two ships you should be able to supply it with no problem [09-Oct-24 06:00 PM] marat_sh#0000 but if you gonna have problems in a future Ask people here Someone will defiantly gonna have ships go ANT <-> Deimos [09-Oct-24 06:02 PM] mancules#0000 That's perfect, good community here [09-Oct-24 06:02 PM] mancules#0000 Definitely helps having people to bounce stuff off for PU lol, I've been in the weeds reading through stuff online [11-Oct-24 11:57 AM] manhim#0000 So, all those tasks are automatically generated from my Wants column of the project. I separated Buying from Provisioning so that I could merge my buy tasks together easily without losing trace of what I need to provision and for which project. Tasks also keeps track of what is blocking what, so I can create a view that hides every blocked tasks so I can focus on what I can do right now. The tasks are copied from a summary sheet (that I'm still working on) so that I can work on multiple projects in parallel easily. That summary sheet will calculate the project's margin, total profits, profits per days and provide other stats (like tonnage/volume of transports between each planets, etc.). Each recipes can be assigned to a different base and it will automatically add the related transport tasks. It could also technically support production projects from multiple people, though it's a bit out of scope of my needs right now. And the only reason I did it in Google Sheets is because I was too lazy to make a front-end. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1294343016575795221/image.png?ex=6814f95e&is=6813a7de&hm=8afc9c9edf69187abd7527e74dc611d72099e656910304a79b5a49638a7ba4ea& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1294343016991162542/image.png?ex=6814f95e&is=6813a7de&hm=b23ec29a3b57ae74a11bd1413415cd21f3d8c7b99caf0910d36b95dd7432c573& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1294343017335099503/image.png?ex=6814f95f&is=6813a7df&hm=ab55137605f72815630bd38b72014eac77854a475ebaa300dd706afdadbf98ed& [11-Oct-24 11:58 AM] sidepipe#0000 I like it, it looks super clean ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Oct-24 11:58 AM] manhim#0000 Helps a lot my ADHD brain [11-Oct-24 11:59 AM] sidepipe#0000 Big fan of the project based budgets and tasks. I might steal some of those ideas - I keep making things and forgetting what theyโ€™re for halfway through [11-Oct-24 12:00 PM] manhim#0000 Haha XD each time I'd depart my ships I'd forget to load something that was meant for my projects. So I'm late by like 3 days on my new base right now because of that. [11-Oct-24 12:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 You knowโ€ฆ you could probably generate XIT action packages from your project sheet to automate buying and loading stuff for a particular project [11-Oct-24 12:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 It basically just takes JSON in a particular format [11-Oct-24 12:05 PM] manhim#0000 Mmm, I could probably look into that [11-Oct-24 12:05 PM] manhim#0000 I haven't touched the XIT actions yet [11-Oct-24 12:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 It seems like youโ€™ve already got all the detail you need ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Oct-24 12:06 PM] manhim#0000 Formatting JSON from Google Sheets might be something though ๐Ÿ˜… , unless I make a Google Apps Script ๐Ÿค” [11-Oct-24 12:08 PM] jcheung#0000 making json with sheets isn't too hard [11-Oct-24 12:09 PM] jcheung#0000 you don't even need scripts, but it might be easier depending on your familiarity ๐Ÿคท [11-Oct-24 12:13 PM] manhim#0000 ~12 years of dev, although I haven't touched programming for around 5 years now. I'll need to check how it's formatted. [14-Oct-24 08:03 AM] jvaler#0000 @tanda would you recommend getting into INS? i'm trying to figure out what to do with my nike base [14-Oct-24 08:04 AM] jvaler#0000 was thinking i need a griffonstone base for DDT/NS anyways so i could make THF there too [14-Oct-24 08:26 AM] tanda#0000 It's reliable and doesn't seem to be easily flooded. Water price is causing a spike in demand right now. [14-Oct-24 08:27 AM] tanda#0000 Shipping is a bit of a pain, but if you put in a ship each of the parts it runs for a long time [14-Oct-24 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 so I need thoughts: Is half a mil of initial cost and 1700/day ongoing costs worth 4-5 jumps? [14-Oct-24 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 my gut says yes [14-Oct-24 08:05 PM] lord3001#0000 What is it for? [14-Oct-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 Construction. Looking at dropping a WEL base on ZV-759a vs KI401a and IY816d [14-Oct-24 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 problem with 759a is that it's TSH [14-Oct-24 08:07 PM] tanda#0000 I am running out of construction planets [14-Oct-24 08:07 PM] lord3001#0000 Ah yes, dreaded TSH. I really need to get that going. Time to make some more thens lol [15-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 So I'm thinking, and probably someone talked about it before but I'm not sure, [15-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 but with gateways, [15-Oct-24 08:08 PM] kynadre#0000 and also the exploration stuff where planets wouldn't be revealed, [15-Oct-24 08:09 PM] kynadre#0000 assumption had been that exploration stuff would kinda "require" universe reset, [15-Oct-24 08:09 PM] kynadre#0000 but then what about gateways? They would get tested then deleted, or, like, they make it so universe won't be reset? [15-Oct-24 08:10 PM] kynadre#0000 Like, good chunk of my gameplay's been accepting acceleration because I expect a wipe at some point, so the learning's of main value + building teamwork, etc. [15-Oct-24 08:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 Well, gateways will just become available for people to build. That wouldn't need a reset necessarily. But I assume they'd get removed on a reset, same as like population infrastructure or anything else [15-Oct-24 08:11 PM] jcheung#0000 I think it could go both ways for gates [15-Oct-24 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 You should kick back and enjoy the game first and foremost, from what I understand any wipes are at least a year out [15-Oct-24 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 (which really isn't a lot of time in the game, but is a lot of time in RL) {Reactions} this [15-Oct-24 08:13 PM] kynadre#0000 Makes sense! [15-Oct-24 08:13 PM] kynadre#0000 I am thoroughly enjoying myself, aye [16-Oct-24 12:36 PM] kynadre#0000 hoping I can bring over some other Eve friends who're into mining and industry, make a little cooperative corp at some point, but alas, Satisfactory is scratching their itch XD [16-Oct-24 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 satisfactory is very satisfactory I can get behind that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Oct-24 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I beat satisfactory [16-Oct-24 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am satisfied {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ ๐ŸŽ‰ [17-Oct-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Anybody could sells me ove on norwick ? 5 or so ? [17-Oct-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I put a LM ad [17-Oct-24 04:06 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Would it not have made more sense for Ftori Cooperative to just buy up the small amount of water at 56.00 then list it all at 50.10, instead of making a new listing at 56.10? Is this laziness, market making, both? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1296398976521863178/Screenshot_2024-10-17_100443.png?ex=68148b21&is=681339a1&hm=1477e60cf3167e19924643c3fb7a295ea15f168c4d306834de2787d109b7ce87& [17-Oct-24 04:08 AM] realharvey#0000 Ftori Cooperative is looking to buy Water cheaper than what its currently offered for [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] jcheung#0000 they would have to sell 1440 [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] jcheung#0000 then hope that nobody buys for higher [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Ok aye i get that, but i'm saying they could have made it cheaper again by removing the prior listing [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Fair enough [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] jcheung#0000 that assumes that nobody else buys for higher [17-Oct-24 04:09 AM] jcheung#0000 otherwise they just lose out on 1.4k water [17-Oct-24 04:12 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I see where i went wrong. Cheers [17-Oct-24 04:13 AM] evov#0000 If they had spare water to throw at the 1440 bid... sure, they could do that, post a new bid at 50.1 But then someone can post at 50.2 etc etc. So a lot of it comes down to time. What's the probability my order will be filled within X amount of time. [17-Oct-24 04:16 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I like to gamble, but that's just me. I get you, thanks. [17-Oct-24 04:29 AM] jcheung#0000 tbh it's not a great gamble because water prices haven't been that low in a few days [17-Oct-24 04:29 AM] jcheung#0000 it looks like it's trending to around 56-62 for the short term [17-Oct-24 04:30 AM] jcheung#0000 may just be the new long term price tbh {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Oct-24 05:03 AM] realharvey#0000 A gamble like that usually does not work out. People are quite quick in adjusting the offerings etc. when someone tries to pull something like that off {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Oct-24 06:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 With a spread of 2 AIC I wouldnโ€˜t even have bothered to setup a bidโ€ฆ [17-Oct-24 06:34 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1296436112696545332/image.png?ex=6814adb7&is=68135c37&hm=7078f865bb62d811612c5c32918267e26c5cb77b751fe6fd74da2ba2cd42435c& [17-Oct-24 06:42 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 lol........ [17-Oct-24 07:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿฅน [17-Oct-24 07:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I just wanted to defend my point and run the calculations, but underestimated how much the difference adds up on a 10,000 unit order. Buying for ask they would have payed 586,818 AIC, while with his bid offer they will pay 561,000 AIC. To put this in perspective: thatโ€™s a difference of 25,818 AIC or approx 4.4 % [17-Oct-24 07:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Which is in my opinion still not that much, relative to the volume, but sure is money you can safe, if you have the time. [17-Oct-24 07:52 AM] evov#0000 With all the ask/bid tradeoffs, time is the big unknown. How long will it take for respective orders to fill. How long is it worth having that much cash tied up to make 4.4% [17-Oct-24 08:25 AM] manhim#0000 Also, if the ask prices rise before you could complete the order, you're stuck paying even more if you stretch it too much. [17-Oct-24 08:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My reasoning is often - if everybody is gonna sit on his money, then the market is never going to move [17-Oct-24 08:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So I often only setup a bid, if I really donโ€™t need the materials asap and/or the spread is relatively high {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Oct-24 03:41 AM] cruelcoin#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297117354752348170/Screenshot_2024-10-19_093801.png?ex=6814852c&is=681333ac&hm=775f2632c24b05eab1d7e1522caab29880a7751b7450c0aac60564db4bb58823& [19-Oct-24 03:41 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I was planning on getting into this. Make a small supply, maybe 20 units a day, enough to satisfy demand while not saturating the market [19-Oct-24 03:42 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Then this feckin eejit comes along and guts the whole thing. [19-Oct-24 03:42 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Why, why did he have to do that [19-Oct-24 03:42 AM] cruelcoin#0000 He's not going to sell any faster at 15k than he was going to at 18k? [19-Oct-24 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 and that's where you're wrong [19-Oct-24 03:43 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Mmm? [19-Oct-24 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 people would rather produce themselves than buy overpriced [19-Oct-24 03:43 AM] laaxus#0000 sell it at a fair, market price, and you'll sell [19-Oct-24 03:44 AM] laaxus#0000 sell it overpriced, and you can be sure no one will buy it from you, for long {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Oct-24 03:44 AM] evov#0000 I still have a lot of WIN saved up. I'm in no rush to sell. [19-Oct-24 03:45 AM] laaxus#0000 furthermore, you can't overprice a commodity with high volume [19-Oct-24 03:45 AM] laaxus#0000 because, that would be a literal money print, so the market would adapt pretty fast [19-Oct-24 03:45 AM] laaxus#0000 if you see a market opportunity that is too good to be true, it probably is [19-Oct-24 03:46 AM] laaxus#0000 don't ever forget PrUn is a player driven economy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [19-Oct-24 03:46 AM] evov#0000 What if. . . . the price of all the inputs also went up sharply in price? Then you could probably overprice something for a while before production catches up. [19-Oct-24 03:47 AM] laaxus#0000 if the price of the inputs goes down, and the ouput price goes down (but less) you mean ? [19-Oct-24 03:47 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I just saw a commodity that was on the up and up for a long time, with daily sales volume in excess of what i was planning to produce, so i wasn't going to saturate it. But yeah, does seem too good to be true. Could hardly have expected 90k daily profit from a 350k base..... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297118974848532480/Screenshot_2024-10-19_094631.png?ex=681486ae&is=6813352e&hm=c8eed93fa920ffd3064d7de7151ee432e0e769beb5b36e04b008b05530075ee0& [19-Oct-24 03:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not saying there isn't any opportunity [19-Oct-24 03:48 AM] laaxus#0000 to take advantage of [19-Oct-24 03:49 AM] laaxus#0000 but just don't expect them to be a long term business [19-Oct-24 03:49 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I get you. That lad with his 15k ask put the frighteners on me, is all. [19-Oct-24 03:49 AM] laaxus#0000 or, rather, don't expect it not to be risky [19-Oct-24 03:50 AM] evov#0000 You would need to buy the ingredients, or make them. Making them adds a bit more time before you can finaly produce WIN. Buying them... well, not sure how much you plan on making, but I'd advise you check the amount available / price of the inputs before making plans with your base. [19-Oct-24 03:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Recently, I saw an opportunity and build a NFI base, and for a month I produced more than the rest of the universe combined I did good money, but I knew it wouldn't last so now I'll have to change the base. I wouldn't have made good money if anybody else took that bet, it was VERY risky Once again, it's all betting and edging [19-Oct-24 03:53 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297120477097099264/image.png?ex=68148815&is=68133695&hm=56ad8dfbb8fcdc6f4f5714164fac692872f496e28896a583a88b2cebe2fb9b2a& [19-Oct-24 03:54 AM] evov#0000 I'm not saying DON'T make WIN. I'm just saying that the current price is irregular.. it's being artificially pushed up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [19-Oct-24 03:55 AM] cruelcoin#0000 I'm struggling as to what to do over in SE-110. My original plan was to build a coffee/booze empire. Water base on 110c is full. I had intended to do Hydroponics on 110b and Fermentor's on 110a. But the Hydro doesn't make anything that i can use to make booze in the fermentors. And turns out, coffee production is very low profit. Zero fertility in 110 has me thinking i need to just move to a better system elsewhere for my booze hub, and just leave the water base standing solo. [19-Oct-24 03:55 AM] evov#0000 It hasn't broken yet. But... I'm hoping it pushed all the way to 20k/u before I dump what I got. [19-Oct-24 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 don't forget that many players have litteraly hundreds of millions of commodities stock [19-Oct-24 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 so, for the market to really meaningfully change price, those stock have to go down [19-Oct-24 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 look at h2o, the market is correcting [19-Oct-24 03:57 AM] cruelcoin#0000 My plowing 2.5k extra a day isn't helping my h2o profits, no [19-Oct-24 03:57 AM] laaxus#0000 sometimes, some rich guys like to buy millions at once (*hum* @evov *hum*) Doesn't mean there's a long terme opportunity [19-Oct-24 03:58 AM] evov#0000 I don't know what you're talking about. Sometimes a guy just feels the need to build a WIN cellar in one of his space ships. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297121706845933639/WineVault.jpg?ex=6814893a&is=681337ba&hm=fea6d79957f766630b5eae1508fbed516ed744a554bcfa19f148139bc79cccf5& [19-Oct-24 03:59 AM] evov#0000 I think my WIN holdings across all the CX's is between 7 and 8k {Reactions} ๐Ÿท (2) [19-Oct-24 04:12 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Is there a way to see what a material can be used for? As in what recipes it forms a part of? [19-Oct-24 04:12 AM] laaxus#0000 mat [19-Oct-24 04:12 AM] laaxus#0000 there are 3 buffer commands you must remember [19-Oct-24 04:13 AM] laaxus#0000 cxm mat bui [19-Oct-24 04:14 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Thanking you [19-Oct-24 01:38 PM] tanda#0000 ah crap, looks like LSE has gone unprofitable again [19-Oct-24 01:56 PM] realharvey#0000 did AL or PG spike? [19-Oct-24 01:57 PM] tanda#0000 PG it seems, AL is pretty normal [19-Oct-24 02:09 PM] realharvey#0000 PG price is pretty average [19-Oct-24 02:10 PM] tanda#0000 well, LSE is definitely overproduced, lol [19-Oct-24 02:10 PM] realharvey#0000 I feel definitly not responisble for that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297275747676721232/image.png?ex=681518b0&is=6813c730&hm=630782514a350758ab4bd05d527bd757f51684595229864e7f0893e267654097& [19-Oct-24 02:11 PM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-side-eye-gif-26048023 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-side-eye-gif-26048023 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/S2cc9cQp_Ts3OagiJJ9-ODHPU4pzpC5OA0PBGEUZ86E/https/media.tenor.com/sqPVlvRCnygAAAAe/tiktok-dog.png [19-Oct-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 don't you use most of your production? [19-Oct-24 02:12 PM] realharvey#0000 I use all of my PG production [19-Oct-24 02:12 PM] realharvey#0000 LSE gets traded internally or CX [19-Oct-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 oh so it's you, lol [19-Oct-24 02:12 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/R3CVWuOEFok04O49ZWIhPaXgCY7m1spxZX3edNx4sa4/https/media.tenor.com/rB8hWIin-2IAAAAe/hmm-suspect.png [19-Oct-24 02:13 PM] jvaler#0000 FRMs are very low logistics, their location doesn't really matter in relation to the rest of your operations [19-Oct-24 02:17 PM] sidepipe#0000 COF production has been quite profitable for me - are you sourcing some materials from the CX? [19-Oct-24 02:17 PM] jvaler#0000 ...as long as it's not something silly like kinza lmao [19-Oct-24 02:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or is it just low profit compared to other things you could be making in FPs? I use the 30 day average prices on prunplanner and COF has a quite good ROI [19-Oct-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 FP's in general are pretty low profit right now [19-Oct-24 02:20 PM] tanda#0000 FIM is looking realll good though [19-Oct-24 02:20 PM] tanda#0000 That said, a full base isn't a bad investment {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297278307464642650/image.png?ex=68147252&is=681320d2&hm=dbd126138add9a7cad847a5eb8624ef69a0afaa4769b238055333a8bb1a95bd1& [19-Oct-24 02:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, FPs are a bit worse on SE-110a because of the INS. you save in logistics, but you pay in INS ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Oct-24 02:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 so @cruelcoin - a better step forward might be to start with FPs on Norwick and then expand from there, if you'd still like to do COF / RATs etc and are worried about profits on 110a [19-Oct-24 02:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 assuming you don't have a base there already. sorry for pinging you twice ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Oct-24 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 I was just looking at this base out on Norwick {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297279132740096143/image.png?ex=68147317&is=68132197&hm=99b535d332235f9a87c41e941dc68e4a70966e2e723c53173b2a5654bf4d2208& [19-Oct-24 02:58 PM] igfloz#0000 Speaking of AL ..... or actually ALO [19-Oct-24 02:59 PM] igfloz#0000 WTF is trying to be attempted here ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1297287914815754300/image.png?ex=68147b45&is=681329c5&hm=9dd7e0396eb0c0edb5f378d86790dc38b4a7be7fb429fdc3f0e123bd126d14a2& [19-Oct-24 02:59 PM] tanda#0000 idk, but it's really starting to look like I need an ALO base on Nascent after all [19-Oct-24 03:00 PM] igfloz#0000 oooh, I gotcha short term, lol - think I have at least 3K ALO at ANT right now [21-Oct-24 03:23 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Why would people focus on Norwich for FP? How is it different from other metallic (non-frozen) planets? [21-Oct-24 03:24 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Actively looking for a home for a FP base [21-Oct-24 03:27 AM] jvaler#0000 because it actually has a food processing CoGC [21-Oct-24 03:28 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Just looking at PRUNplanner now [21-Oct-24 03:28 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Huh, only 8 have the CoGC (that don't need shielding mats) [21-Oct-24 03:28 AM] cruelcoin#0000 Well ok, Norwich it is, thanks [28-Oct-24 07:27 PM] tanda#0000 HSE soon [01-Nov-24 11:04 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Chill the fuck out bro [01-Nov-24 11:17 AM] tanda#0000 Or don't, I need the cheap LSE for... things {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [01-Nov-24 11:17 AM] realharvey#0000 This Corgi has no Chill {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1301943277603524639/image.png?ex=6814f02a&is=68139eaa&hm=d68316b731dcacb09fe92aa9d0417583517034608e299e8f4b72ffec3cf312e5& [01-Nov-24 11:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 you produce 10x what i make [01-Nov-24 11:57 AM] .urpalhal#0000 granted I should make 1.5x what I am making so... [01-Nov-24 11:58 AM] realharvey#0000 the funniest thing is: None of that PG hits the CX [01-Nov-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [01-Nov-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ah [01-Nov-24 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 LSE [02-Nov-24 02:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1302350351252328478/image.png?ex=681519c8&is=6813c848&hm=ddcca5a63b85ea70bd1cead9ec0ab1b8b23c5e4f338a91622fe195891ac46c95& [02-Nov-24 02:15 PM] riseoffilth#0000 GO GO GO GO GO GO GOG O GO [02-Nov-24 02:16 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, I hope the people setting up on Deimos are planning to smelt at least some AL or it really will be RIP AL [02-Nov-24 02:16 PM] tanda#0000 and also lol. already back to +2 [02-Nov-24 02:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i hope they make AST ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Nov-24 02:18 PM] riseoffilth#0000 ASMs for dayzzzz [02-Nov-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, those are needed too [02-Nov-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 well if nothing else, sounds like AL might be a good starter base again soon [02-Nov-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 back to encouraging players to coliq to deimos from phobos [02-Nov-24 04:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well should I tear down my SME on Deimos and replace with ASMs? [02-Nov-24 04:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 find a third and fourth planet for more SME? [03-Nov-24 12:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 IY-816c [03-Nov-24 12:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 SE-648a [03-Nov-24 12:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 there ya go, 2 metallurgy worlds [03-Nov-24 12:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [03-Nov-24 12:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There ya go [03-Nov-24 01:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Let me acquire 4 to 5 more permits I guess [03-Nov-24 01:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Technically 2-3 [03-Nov-24 12:12 PM] tanda#0000 Dang PP2's are starting to look rough {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1302696903221313647/image.png?ex=68150b08&is=6813b988&hm=ee44bbc14ad5d0c81b8ea6c99c2f281015bdbc49319b3120a99de31e5523476f& [03-Nov-24 12:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 *cries in BMP* [03-Nov-24 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 I've deleted my bmps on hephaestus they were not worth one permit Maybe prices will correct in time but I doubt it [03-Nov-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 I'm going to proactively correct some of these fab prices, lol [03-Nov-24 12:42 PM] tanda#0000 that base is getting swapped to PP3's and I'm just going to buy the fabs off the CX to fuel it [03-Nov-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 PP3 seems profitable but is hard to sell [03-Nov-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 volume traded is low [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just dump it into Allocatorโ€™s asks? [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 but that would lower my profit [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heโ€™s always buying it to repair Malahat bases [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I'm anticipating some difficulties with some liquidity [03-Nov-24 12:43 PM] tanda#0000 but will likely use some of the earliest Rfabs to just make my own EDC base on Phobos, lol [03-Nov-24 12:44 PM] tanda#0000 fix that liquidity issue at the source [03-Nov-24 12:44 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll do it once I've planned for my next 4 bases Once my plan is clear, I'll start to invest [03-Nov-24 12:48 PM] igfloz#0000 I'd forgotten all about that - that was on my plan weeks ago lol................. and I bet it will be weeks before I commit to it [03-Nov-24 01:09 PM] marat_sh#0000 I am so close to just gave up and go extraction->chem [03-Nov-24 01:10 PM] laaxus#0000 Chemistry is such a nice place to be [03-Nov-24 01:10 PM] tanda#0000 there's definitely a few suppliers I could use [03-Nov-24 01:10 PM] tanda#0000 I started using CL just as the market spiked, lol [03-Nov-24 01:11 PM] marat_sh#0000 if things not gonna clear out in a month or two I will demolish everything... [03-Nov-24 01:11 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm going to do 2 CL bases feeding 2 EPO bases feeding my PP3 [03-Nov-24 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 and yet we keep recommending BMPs for new player seeking a grant [03-Nov-24 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 because "it has so many recipe, there always be one profitable enough" [03-Nov-24 01:14 PM] tanda#0000 I haven't seen any BMP bases be recommended in a couple months [03-Nov-24 01:14 PM] tanda#0000 also new players applying to the AGP has slowed down really far recently [03-Nov-24 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 last time someone applied for a grant, I was explaining why BMP are bad and that a new player should not invest in that, but I was not listened to [03-Nov-24 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [03-Nov-24 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 the trickle of new joins has dried up [03-Nov-24 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 something something holiday slowdown [03-Nov-24 01:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i think roganartu brought that up [03-Nov-24 01:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 is it welcome to go around the starter planets and openly invite people? [03-Nov-24 01:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 in the in-game planets chats [03-Nov-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 yes please do! [03-Nov-24 01:29 PM] jvaler#0000 just don't do it too much as to annoy people [03-Nov-24 01:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 what's considered "too much"? [03-Nov-24 01:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I thought about once a week [03-Nov-24 01:30 PM] jvaler#0000 depends on both time and activity levels [03-Nov-24 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 I usually try to recruit directly, but blurbs do work [03-Nov-24 01:31 PM] jvaler#0000 here's examples of ones i've used before {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1302716754132471808/image.png?ex=681474c5&is=68132345&hm=74ad3ee768bd9393d0ac62221a883e3c747846333c9fc1cdf43fef59c531c760& [03-Nov-24 01:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, remembering one of those... [03-Nov-24 01:32 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I think they actually brought me here ^^ [03-Nov-24 01:32 PM] jvaler#0000 :D [03-Nov-24 01:34 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Phobos, Deimos and Harmonia are the starter planets in ANT? [03-Nov-24 01:34 PM] jvaler#0000 correct [03-Nov-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 can it be, that I can't post on planets I don't have a base on? [03-Nov-24 01:41 PM] tanda#0000 yes, that is the case [03-Nov-24 01:41 PM] tanda#0000 I need a base on Phobos to have all the bases covered [03-Nov-24 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, then somebody else has to cover Phobos [03-Nov-24 01:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 trying my best not to sound like a scam [03-Nov-24 01:56 PM] sidepipe#0000 it can sound a little like a scam ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Nov-24 01:56 PM] tanda#0000 it is definitely in the "too good to be true" category [03-Nov-24 01:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 free money and a link to some discord channel always will sound like a scam [03-Nov-24 01:57 PM] tanda#0000 it took me about a month after hearing about it to reach out to australis when I first got my grant [03-Nov-24 01:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I will repeat the post every week or so and lets see, who jumps on [03-Nov-24 01:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 I was grantee #2, I think [03-Nov-24 01:57 PM] sidepipe#0000 so no guarantee it wasn't a scam yet ๐Ÿ˜„ [03-Nov-24 01:58 PM] tanda#0000 well, it definitely extracted more money out of you that was invested, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (3) [03-Nov-24 01:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh shit, maybe it was a scam all along [03-Nov-24 01:58 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah you were lmao [03-Nov-24 01:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 just a really _really_ long con [08-Nov-24 11:54 AM] evany.#0000 is anyone out on LS-231b [08-Nov-24 12:23 PM] tanda#0000 I have plans to be there. But not yet [08-Nov-24 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm gonna build a INC base on nascent [08-Nov-24 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 for my own use [08-Nov-24 03:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm losing too much money [08-Nov-24 03:35 PM] laaxus#0000 because people like to disturb market for fun [08-Nov-24 04:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i think i certainly take for granted my nascent base [08-Nov-24 04:02 PM] jvaler#0000 i realize i haven't been at all concerned about the C crisis this whole time [08-Nov-24 04:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thalassa D ๐Ÿ˜ [08-Nov-24 04:28 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm thankful that i decided to join this C project before all this bull hit [08-Nov-24 05:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 same ๐Ÿ˜… [08-Nov-24 05:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I wish I could do more, but I 300 C per week is really not that much in perspective [08-Nov-24 05:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i currently get around 500-700c a week [08-Nov-24 05:38 PM] tanda#0000 I already Supply several different people, but I literally generate 300C a day. [08-Nov-24 06:19 PM] tanda#0000 Fully built out FRM and INC bases are low maintenance and generate 200C a day [08-Nov-24 07:30 PM] jcheung#0000 ....i wonder [08-Nov-24 07:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I get about 500/d [08-Nov-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 I know where I want to do another construction planet [08-Nov-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304624363571646596/image.png?ex=6814cddf&is=68137c5f&hm=6e121a915019027caf5c9dcb0ad6203add793b1f962a11fbcd1bdb05e1af9def& [08-Nov-24 07:51 PM] tanda#0000 should be about a 30 day recoup with what I plan to do there [09-Nov-24 11:18 AM] evany.#0000 hit me up if you need some C [09-Nov-24 11:19 AM] evany.#0000 i've updated #psk-information we are looking for a few more roles to round things out [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 With my new nascent base, I'm producing more C than I am consuming [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 thank you anyway [09-Nov-24 11:21 AM] evany.#0000 right on. i produce a bit more than i use too [09-Nov-24 11:22 AM] tanda#0000 lol [09-Nov-24 11:23 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304858992744468540/image.png?ex=6814ffa2&is=6813ae22&hm=a4d72a30e262a06fd508aaea49e992c92cdda59ae39844cb3cf02e4b5b3a67dc& [09-Nov-24 11:24 AM] evany.#0000 just started my triple burn again today. back to spot 1 this week ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Nov-24 11:24 AM] evany.#0000 MAI is truly my bottleneck now [09-Nov-24 11:24 AM] tanda#0000 I'm right here for the time being {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304859216732880987/image.png?ex=6814ffd8&is=6813ae58&hm=8cc1c3bb7e4edcc0fb9af4130cd6a81e3f67ab730236ab4bde346e343895567a& [09-Nov-24 11:25 AM] tanda#0000 and yeah, my MAI supply is going to dry up here in two weeks [09-Nov-24 11:25 AM] tanda#0000 the good news is water is stable again and I make MHL [09-Nov-24 11:25 AM] evany.#0000 ever since standing up ISA i don't care about water anymore. i keep selling to CX [09-Nov-24 11:26 AM] evany.#0000 you don't eat enough of my water tanda [09-Nov-24 11:26 AM] evany.#0000 which is weird because i think when we originally looked i thought it was occuping like 80-90% of the water i produced {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] tanda#0000 I get some from @kahetabi currently, so I've been hedging multiple bets, lol [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] kahetabi#0000 What? Edging? [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 you've been cheating on me [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 you harlot {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] tanda#0000 while you were moving the water went crazy and I had to I swear [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] kahetabi#0000 That's what she said [09-Nov-24 11:28 AM] evany.#0000 haha its all good [09-Nov-24 11:30 AM] kahetabi#0000 I got water to sell [09-Nov-24 11:30 AM] kahetabi#0000 Good that I'm still sober [09-Nov-24 11:32 AM] kahetabi#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304861172675117129/image.png?ex=681501aa&is=6813b02a&hm=1eb4c19a4798f1c43cedbc132fcbde47e21431f1966ec85a2a7e76e9e41e0c23& [09-Nov-24 11:34 AM] tanda#0000 I'm almost always up for more water, but I do have a 9 day supply out there currently [09-Nov-24 11:34 AM] kahetabi#0000 What are you, a camel? [09-Nov-24 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh @tanda the new fuel for gateways uses REA it looks like [09-Nov-24 11:35 AM] tanda#0000 oh. I know, trust me [09-Nov-24 11:35 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh good ๐Ÿ˜ผ [09-Nov-24 11:35 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304862065810214972/image.png?ex=6815027f&is=6813b0ff&hm=f3f512ebb498cb92137e06d5a1317f73426027b8ef8333e655a9e14b5ff50866& [09-Nov-24 11:42 AM] tanda#0000 I can definitely say some other people also realized this fact too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1304863671406825492/image.png?ex=681503fe&is=6813b27e&hm=e84c055f28102c3d66a6a5989a28e4a8f31225b9b603b9e5165f93740999deff& [09-Nov-24 11:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [09-Nov-24 06:10 PM] archielvahr#0000 Can I buy some of your REA? Name a price and quantity! I use it for WIN and VG and EES/ETC.. and ADR.. I make almost all the REA products ๐Ÿ˜ญ [09-Nov-24 07:21 PM] tanda#0000 I sent you a DM [09-Nov-24 07:33 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ do you sell vg? [09-Nov-24 08:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 I do sell VG [09-Nov-24 08:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 I can sneak some out of the CX for you if you want @ 2400 AIC /u [09-Nov-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 5900 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [09-Nov-24 08:45 PM] jcheung#0000 tossed up a cx buy at 2400/u {Reactions} ๐Ÿค [09-Nov-24 08:47 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/DJkclTtowR.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ty-thank-you-i-appreciate-it-thanks-thank-you-so-much-gif-400252754030627343 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vQA542gMCUJz-l98Pp-b6Pyyj-LlLnkX7LTMEhV6ccA/https/media.tenor.com/BY37wlheCg8AAAAe/ty-thank-you.png [10-Nov-24 05:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Time for another recruitment round [10-Nov-24 05:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Can anybody on Phobos post it there, too? Don't have a base there [10-Nov-24 05:56 AM] laaxus#0000 sure [10-Nov-24 09:16 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ reads like a ๐Ÿฆ ad [10-Nov-24 09:16 AM] laaxus#0000 it kinda is [10-Nov-24 12:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m just embracing the weirdness of it [10-Nov-24 12:43 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But it seems to work ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Nov-24 06:37 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 when i finish the tutorials i will share my business plan to get that juicy milion, so far i just built a basic carbon factory in harmony, i want to try to do mostly trading if possible, set buy orders and sell orders but while also building a not too complicated industry [11-Nov-24 06:38 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 so yea i guess i need to figure out the best way to expand my industry [11-Nov-24 06:39 AM] laaxus#0000 to trade, you need capital, which you don't have [11-Nov-24 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 you should build bases to get the capital you need to trade, if that's the path you wish to take [11-Nov-24 06:43 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 yea [11-Nov-24 06:44 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 so thats what i meant by expanding my industry [11-Nov-24 06:44 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 not sure how to expand it without overcomplicate it i guess i will figure out while doing the tutorial [11-Nov-24 06:44 AM] guillejejexdd#0000 now i have 2 habitat 2 farm and 1 incinerator, next i will build water rig [11-Nov-24 08:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 @tanda I think YK-266c (BRM->REA) should be Recourse extraction COGC instead of Chem. [11-Nov-24 08:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 You can fit more CHP in exchange of less extractors [11-Nov-24 08:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 and you get more REA output [11-Nov-24 08:41 AM] tanda#0000 No, ran the numbers already before we set up. Considered pioneer cogc as well [11-Nov-24 08:44 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1305543768056926228/image.png?ex=6814da62&is=681388e2&hm=fca6f46a3086b3e00b30ff64cb64d8839c23ff7a67a06878de0d4f086d101c9d& [11-Nov-24 08:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 well with chem COGC you have more REA ( a bit more ) but with BRM deficit [11-Nov-24 08:46 AM] tanda#0000 Single permits are a bit rough overall. You either need two permits on a base or a partner [11-Nov-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 I still think that EXT COGC is better [11-Nov-24 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1305544553880752229/image.png?ex=6814db1d&is=6813899d&hm=aff9691851f17e1ee419559ac3d407d5129f74f131473fbd84b9036f2a114e7d& [11-Nov-24 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 you get 10 REA per day less [11-Nov-24 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 but not BRM deficit [11-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 You're doing how much area again? [11-Nov-24 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1305544793925095464/image.png?ex=6814db56&is=681389d6&hm=767eec8f31a699466060f81b4439c648397c0caa3a98790de4f4c9e623d10f69& [11-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Because that doesn't look like 1k area + 2 core modules [11-Nov-24 08:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 1 permit [11-Nov-24 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 They're not doing mixed use [11-Nov-24 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Look at it again but 5 expert pure extraction and 5 expert pure chemistry [11-Nov-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 well yeah if you do it with two people it's better But I am looking at the point of single person use [11-Nov-24 08:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 Sorry, I was just browsing market and stumbled on that planet ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Nov-24 08:51 AM] marat_sh#0000 I missed REA discussion you guys had a while ago [11-Nov-24 08:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Well when the people setting up the planet are doing it for pure bases... [11-Nov-24 08:52 AM] tanda#0000 I'll be honest I can't even run a full permit out there {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1305545692294676490/image.png?ex=6814dc2c&is=68138aac&hm=1cb9cbdf7c6e015650240e0541f224499d11d1531bd01015526ae5fdb8241a7d& [11-Nov-24 08:52 AM] jcheung#0000 It's like what 3:2 ext:chem? [11-Nov-24 08:52 AM] laaxus#0000 it should be a chem planet [11-Nov-24 08:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 25 BRM per cycle is rough [11-Nov-24 08:53 AM] jcheung#0000 Or was it 2:1 i can't remember [11-Nov-24 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 just because there's never enough chem planets [11-Nov-24 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 it can be used by other players as well [11-Nov-24 08:53 AM] tanda#0000 and 2 feeders is not enough for a full two permits {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1305545911400927252/image.png?ex=6814dc61&is=68138ae1&hm=9659119ff569889b19697be8892892bb9bc66227306aff29333e13ad94572db4& [11-Nov-24 08:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 1146 BRM ๐Ÿ’€ [11-Nov-24 08:55 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, that was a major reason I set it up as Chem too [11-Nov-24 08:55 AM] tanda#0000 even if you're not doing REA it's not a bad planet (it is HSE so blah but still) [11-Nov-24 08:56 AM] marat_sh#0000 Well, if it's gonna stay as Chem, you can mix CL recipe to counter deficit [11-Nov-24 08:56 AM] tanda#0000 that's what I'm thinking about doing, yeah [11-Nov-24 08:56 AM] tanda#0000 probably going to drop an INF on it as well in the next couple weeks [13-Nov-24 12:49 PM] finestone#0000 @jcheung Outputs get crazy for any decent fuel base as well [13-Nov-24 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 Well yeah [13-Nov-24 12:53 PM] tyrandia#0000 I think I figured out a decent carbon base. {Reactions} carbon (4) ๐Ÿฅณ (4) [13-Nov-24 01:01 PM] finestone#0000 yeah best base i could make is 300t output per day on a gas giant [13-Nov-24 01:01 PM] finestone#0000 bad for new player indeed [13-Nov-24 01:34 PM] realharvey#0000 Did you plan it in prunplanner? [13-Nov-24 02:08 PM] finestone#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/acc82c50-481f-41ec-a425-1d9d7473288b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/acc82c50-481f-41ec-a425-1d9d7473288b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [13-Nov-24 02:10 PM] finestone#0000 Carbon does get up there in export weight are you going to do half base and mix in other stuff or what [13-Nov-24 02:11 PM] finestone#0000 If you are okay doing alot of personal cons or LM cons you should be able to find plenty who will buy your C on Nascent and you dont need to move it to ANT [13-Nov-24 02:17 PM] finestone#0000 mixing half BMP for PE could help eat some carbon and reduce output transport but then you are conducting COGC sin [13-Nov-24 02:21 PM] finestone#0000 10 BMP 15 INC 3 STO gets import/export under 200 daily [13-Nov-24 02:22 PM] realharvey#0000 I'll buy all C on nascent no problem ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Nov-24 05:16 PM] tyrandia#0000 There we go, hehe. [13-Nov-24 05:43 PM] tyrandia#0000 So my PrUn plan is 25 incinerators, 10 HB1, and the core module [13-Nov-24 05:45 PM] tyrandia#0000 Here we go {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306404701725659187/image.png?ex=6814b070&is=68135ef0&hm=7db04ac1b44069d6d378fade853af2ee04390332b30c4bf8e07a7099e2ccfafa& [13-Nov-24 05:55 PM] realharvey#0000 With single Burn HCP it should give you about 28k profit a day {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306407233436909601/image.png?ex=6814b2cc&is=6813614c&hm=6500ae20f53d7ac0d81bb8a9c1512877f53d7427dee75935f010fbbd2fa8003e& [13-Nov-24 05:56 PM] tyrandia#0000 That's pretty good. [13-Nov-24 05:56 PM] realharvey#0000 Sorry went only with 20 instead of 25 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306407420582690866/image.png?ex=6814b2f8&is=68136178&hm=31cfe3931517bf1aae8f9342faa02d900a6a28228c6cda87a56547894e99d683& [13-Nov-24 05:56 PM] realharvey#0000 even better :) [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] realharvey#0000 you should definitly consider adding 1 Storage [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] tyrandia#0000 Okay. [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] realharvey#0000 your base only has 1500/1500 [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] realharvey#0000 and C is very heavy and takes up lots of space [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] tyrandia#0000 Right. [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] realharvey#0000 A STO (Storage) adds 5000/5000 [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] tyrandia#0000 Awesome! [13-Nov-24 05:57 PM] tyrandia#0000 Sounds great. [13-Nov-24 05:58 PM] tyrandia#0000 And you said you'd buy it all on planet from me via contract? [13-Nov-24 05:58 PM] realharvey#0000 yeah for a reasonable price [13-Nov-24 05:58 PM] tyrandia#0000 Sounds great. โค๏ธ [13-Nov-24 06:00 PM] realharvey#0000 prices for C have gone up quite a bit. It currently sits at 1000/u [13-Nov-24 06:00 PM] realharvey#0000 I am not going to pay that price ๐Ÿ˜… But once it comes down anyway, I'll take it for 750 or I might havee to adjust my pricing to make 800/u work [13-Nov-24 06:01 PM] tyrandia#0000 I can supply at lower than market price as long as I'm turning a decent profit at the end of the day. [13-Nov-24 06:02 PM] realharvey#0000 you can always try to ship most of your stuff to the CX yourself and sell the rest of your stock too me when you cant keep up :) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [13-Nov-24 06:02 PM] tyrandia#0000 True. [13-Nov-24 06:02 PM] realharvey#0000 you can take part of nice prices at the CX and also have a reliable buyer once the market calms down [13-Nov-24 06:02 PM] tyrandia#0000 That would be amazing. [13-Nov-24 06:03 PM] tyrandia#0000 I just didn't want to mess your operations up by saying I'd do carbon farming then not selling to you like I said. [13-Nov-24 06:03 PM] realharvey#0000 I consume 581C per day, so I generate enough demand [13-Nov-24 06:03 PM] realharvey#0000 If you are not selling to me, I can get it elswhere I am flexible [13-Nov-24 06:03 PM] realharvey#0000 so dont worry [13-Nov-24 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 try to use `cxm` [13-Nov-24 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306409365208563762/image.png?ex=6814b4c8&is=68136348&hm=b18d2c6dbfcf3a9adc23554631e8e92331fe219d1d8b1425e4746156399fe932& [13-Nov-24 06:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 carbon is around 750/800 per unit [13-Nov-24 06:05 PM] realharvey#0000 I bought it for quite a while even cheaper at >700 [13-Nov-24 06:05 PM] realharvey#0000 at CX not internal stuff [13-Nov-24 06:06 PM] realharvey#0000 We also forgot Experts. Once you reach 5 its even better {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306409823847583804/image.png?ex=6814b535&is=681363b5&hm=eab2c2ea7638770507e33eaa332468094f0936b8eedc04fc146e7094905ab742& [13-Nov-24 06:06 PM] realharvey#0000 and when you upgrade to a full INC base you hit about 64k a day {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306409978785169408/image.png?ex=6814b55a&is=681363da&hm=7e635883c572fe6e1d5923e1851d56fe25b38af31e1890a4b10ee5b03f05438b& [13-Nov-24 06:07 PM] realharvey#0000 17,5 days ROI is not bad {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306410106933739614/image.png?ex=6814b579&is=681363f9&hm=457c15eb4905a988b230855d0a87fd9f2d1bd548f063d8eaf55d3d45c79ee464& [13-Nov-24 06:11 PM] tyrandia#0000 Not awful at all. [13-Nov-24 06:12 PM] tyrandia#0000 Now to see if there is ANY wiggle room on that grant... or if I have to loan from someone to make it work. [13-Nov-24 06:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 don't spend your whole grant on base [13-Nov-24 06:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 leave some for inputs (at least for a few days) [13-Nov-24 06:21 PM] tyrandia#0000 Well [13-Nov-24 06:21 PM] tyrandia#0000 I plan on getting a small loan as well [13-Nov-24 06:22 PM] tyrandia#0000 To cover inputs for 10 days [13-Nov-24 06:49 PM] tanda#0000 A small sidenote regarding single STO's on INC bases: It gets really tight if you try to do more than single/double burn [13-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tyrandia#0000 Gotcha. [13-Nov-24 06:55 PM] tyrandia#0000 So, more storage to expand into, got it. [13-Nov-24 06:57 PM] marat_sh#0000 if you want less frequent visits, you probably might want to rent a warehouse or get second STO [13-Nov-24 07:06 PM] tyrandia#0000 Warehouse makes sense. [13-Nov-24 07:08 PM] marat_sh#0000 yeah, fees are not that expansive and you don't have to sacrifice INC for area [13-Nov-24 07:09 PM] finestone#0000 yeah buy up all warehouses they very cheap [13-Nov-24 07:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 main down side you would need manually transfer items from base INV to ware INV [13-Nov-24 07:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 unless there is an easier way that I am not aware of [13-Nov-24 07:14 PM] tanda#0000 nope, that's about it. A little bit of micro-management [14-Nov-24 08:05 AM] realharvey#0000 putting export goods into a warehouse is very okay amount of extra management. And this is coming from someone that finds a lot of tasks tedious ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Nov-24 08:49 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I use the PMMG custom inventory sorting then group materials by their export location. [14-Nov-24 08:49 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I used to use warehouses more but they're a pain on mobile [14-Nov-24 08:50 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice for precise POPI upkeep loading to if you don't want to fully top something up [14-Nov-24 08:50 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm just a storage addict though [14-Nov-24 10:40 AM] tanda#0000 Stage 1 has begun {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306660011048439828/Screenshot_20241114_083948_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814f577&is=6813a3f7&hm=b65f971f9e6bfc90d7c15ba4f5c622a0e3dede1d256384c89e7b0a2a77d40635& [14-Nov-24 11:00 AM] realharvey#0000 what base is it gonna be? [14-Nov-24 11:07 AM] tanda#0000 It's a partial ripout of pp2s for pp3s. It's going to do RFAB [14-Nov-24 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 Nice. I could use some RFabs in the future ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Nov-24 11:11 AM] tanda#0000 I think Razenpok ha RDE covered, so this does everything else [14-Nov-24 07:37 PM] tanda#0000 RFABs are in the oven. HSE is for personal consumption and gateways {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306795178157281372/image.png?ex=6814ca99&is=68137919&hm=eae32f55398ecb0c0ddc3fa8374e55d6f5c3fa7674764129f67229fc3c2076c3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Nov-24 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 Now just to wait for POPR in 2 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1306797717527334922/image.png?ex=6814ccf6&is=68137b76&hm=d426d6c2b01746ece764dcf2411a6af9c6790b4d2be9450a5939019c9a054c87& [17-Nov-24 07:10 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1307694364428079146/image.png?ex=6814c448&is=681372c8&hm=e8a97d6332c7bbe79faab9d94764ac902a3a194c404a7e1540f6b7499924e957& [17-Nov-24 07:11 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-push-button-gif-14623152 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-push-button-gif-14623152 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4OluuJyxJaI3fxuAdme2-bB9eUS8189j0wY4cp463ak/https/media.tenor.com/SIiE1YV8yloAAAAe/cat-boom.png [17-Nov-24 07:29 AM] evov#0000 Why don't people load up their base with all the consumes needed to last the duration of the repair interval. So you only need to do 1 resupply run every 45/60/90 days whatever cycle you run. I'm guessing choices and decisions are a reflection of the information presented to people by the tools that they use. [17-Nov-24 07:30 AM] laaxus#0000 because it divides your roi by a third roughly ? [17-Nov-24 07:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Gonna skip the recruitment message this week and gonna post one next week. There seemed not much action this week and a lot of the joins did find there way here [17-Nov-24 07:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Because I donโ€™t have the money to stock for 30 days ๐Ÿซ  [17-Nov-24 07:32 AM] evov#0000 So what do you do? Squeeze in a handfull of rats each trip you send inputs to the base? [17-Nov-24 07:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Having weekly restock trips with inputs and consumables until we can afford a month of consumables [17-Nov-24 07:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I stock 20 days worth of supplies (consummables), 10 days of production input goods [17-Nov-24 07:35 AM] evov#0000 But you'd do 20 days worth of ALL the supplies right? So running out of just PT seems a bit odd. [17-Nov-24 07:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I messed up [17-Nov-24 07:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I somehow forgot to buy pt [17-Nov-24 07:39 AM] evov#0000 Fair enough. Well, if you need more ships to keep up with deliveries .. I might know a guy ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Nov-24 07:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I might have to buy a 2k/2k ships in a month or two, so who knows ? ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Nov-24 08:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 it depends on the cash you have on hand. first few weeks i was resupplying daily. After that for 4-6 days. Now 100 days in... I resupply every 2 weeks. [17-Nov-24 09:00 AM] marat_sh#0000 at some point people will get where you are when you resupply on repair cycles [17-Nov-24 09:45 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I dont even pay attention to repair cycles ๐Ÿ˜… Most of my base repairs happened on a whim [17-Nov-24 09:46 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 One of my bases is in need of repairs asap but i couldn't be bothered to send a ship ๐Ÿ˜… [17-Nov-24 09:46 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 I stock my bases with 60 day consumables [17-Nov-24 09:47 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 For inputs it really depends on how bulky they are. fuel inputs can never be stored in large quantities due to how many STOs I will need so they get shipped frequently while other inputs are just stocked (for eg metallurgy stuff like C and O) [17-Nov-24 09:47 AM] optimizedfunction#0000 (I hate restocking cons, especially higher tiers) [17-Nov-24 11:34 PM] evov#0000 For me in the early days - I found that the biggest hurdle to growth was managing shipping time. Shipping capacity was a major bottleneck. The idea of needing to squeeze in an extra couple trips to a planet to cover consumes/repairs at an inopportune time was crazy talk from my perspective. I guess now ships are a lot more available, loans are a lot more available, so that angle is a lot less relevant ( less relevant ... not irrelevant though imo) . I still can't recommend enough, just for your own sanity, when you can afford it - eat the extra set up cost for the base at the start and enjoy the reduced logistical and cognitive load for rest of the bases life. [17-Nov-24 11:37 PM] evov#0000 To put the shipping constraints into perspective - I'd get up for work early (at 4am) to squeeze in a few extra shipping trips. Now... I go to sleep with empty ships sitting at the CX and be like.... meh, tomorrow's problem haha. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [17-Nov-24 11:42 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-my-gif-collection-kustgif-gif-24276030 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-my-gif-collection-kustgif-gif-24276030 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tzUj9gmqFzXxvQ2zPmcpbCH-Z7APwYRY-oSpLF0Y4e4/https/media.tenor.com/zeZZQ_Qo62QAAAAe/star-wars-my-gif-collection.png [18-Nov-24 12:07 AM] jvaler#0000 i do the same ๐Ÿ˜ญ [19-Nov-24 10:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 speaking about POPI Gods... @tanda Do you have space for 1120 people on YK-266c? [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 I can MAKE space! [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 what pop do you need? PIO probably with those numbers? [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No ENG [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Actually SCI [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1308649439551819819/image.png?ex=6814f203&is=6813a083&hm=73027e63f0e486a1f483e62c7d5d87110a08d1aceaac114aec582d4235fbee80& [19-Nov-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 stop I'm already humbled [19-Nov-24 10:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 It might be a late notice but the base is droping tomorrow morning ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Nov-24 10:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 You gonna have a neighbor [19-Nov-24 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 You should be solid next POPI I think [19-Nov-24 10:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 Awesome ๐ŸŽ‰ [19-Nov-24 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 We've got nearly 500 free SET, I just dropped an INF and supplied it this week. So a PIO immigration should set everything to rights [19-Nov-24 10:27 PM] tanda#0000 Thanks for the heads up, I'll get it set {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [22-Nov-24 03:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 The base is filled Thank you ๐Ÿซถ {Reactions} โค๏ธ [23-Nov-24 11:32 AM] laaxus#0000 New business plan going well {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1309934640861286511/image.png?ex=681501b3&is=6813b033&hm=8efc95a1ac8100ba1e69016cb90b9cbbacf17397ac12de43b2be1cd397891d38& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ต [23-Nov-24 12:13 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [23-Nov-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 feels like a high risk proposition, but if it works out it'll be amazing for you [23-Nov-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I wished it was an actual business plan and not a full base feeding a small overpriced bid orders [23-Nov-24 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 at least it will pay for the base? [23-Nov-24 01:48 PM] laaxus#0000 I wished [23-Nov-24 02:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Looked at the new PP ROI table and found DW at 100.000 profit/dayโ€ฆ sounded wild for a market that well established [23-Nov-24 02:06 PM] laaxus#0000 zipatsu reduced H2O price [23-Nov-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 and production is slowly increasing [23-Nov-24 02:07 PM] laaxus#0000 H2O is actually quite hard to ship, so if people are using 90% of their shipping capacity, they probably can't switch to full DW production [23-Nov-24 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Makes sense. Also I thought you might have to compete with all the other producers - so keeping your orders in shape all the time to get stuff sold [23-Nov-24 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But sounded like an easy side business - didnโ€™t really checked anything tho [23-Nov-24 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 FP have been a good profitable business for 3 Months [23-Nov-24 02:10 PM] laaxus#0000 and I believe it will continue, unless a player apocalypse, rat and DW consumption can only rise [23-Nov-24 02:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 There are lots of producers, but the products also move really fast, so Iโ€™ve never had an issue selling quickly at ask [23-Nov-24 02:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I made the effort and put all my current bases into PP - itโ€™s alright, but many of my bases arenโ€™t doing that great. Still - 300,000 with 6 bases is alright [23-Nov-24 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 good job [23-Nov-24 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 PP makes things more scalable [23-Nov-24 02:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I like the new features they released. Great job those folks [23-Nov-24 02:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 50k per base per day on average isnโ€™t too bad either [23-Nov-24 02:13 PM] laaxus#0000 One day, you'll have 20 bases. Start organising for that while you still have the time [23-Nov-24 02:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t be like me and start organizing afterwards ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Nov-24 02:13 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1309975172756934657/image.png?ex=68147eb3&is=68132d33&hm=74368a378093684577381c3560274e34f90bd2762784b216b82598c85d7c2f29& [23-Nov-24 02:13 PM] tanda#0000 Some planets just aren't going to ever produce a lot of value [23-Nov-24 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 let me guess, elon is producing epo [23-Nov-24 02:14 PM] laaxus#0000 and you profit dropped because of cl [23-Nov-24 02:15 PM] laaxus#0000 Farming on harmonia might seems like not very profitable, but it requires very shipping, and that itself makes it more valuable [23-Nov-24 02:15 PM] tanda#0000 yep, though I've controlled the EPO price. Base is also not just pure EPO, I make TCS there too {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1309975636584173569/image.png?ex=68147f21&is=68132da1&hm=8b88199461fde4bc800006d5e97e946ca549e4fe8787a7bedfe494b88e4b75d0& [23-Nov-24 02:17 PM] tanda#0000 (That's mostly because I use it myself and wanted to see what price I can offer ADI internal) [23-Nov-24 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Those people of you with 20+ bases: How easy is it to change your bases later on, if you donโ€™t really want to do something anymore? Are you guys sticking to your bases, or are you changing things regularly? [23-Nov-24 02:19 PM] tanda#0000 I'm only at 14 so I cannot answer that, lol. I have pivoted.... 3-4 bases now? I have yet to completely abandon one [23-Nov-24 02:20 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm planning my bases for long term, 13 bases, pivoted once (damn BMPs) Pivot is easy, it's just taxing mentally. I like this game because it fits nicely in my routing, too much planning breaks it lol But you can easily pivot any base : just wait the moment you'd have repaired it, but destroy and rebuild instead [23-Nov-24 02:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'm at 19 and I pivot fairly regularly. especially with chemistry bases it's fairly easy to switch back and forth [23-Nov-24 02:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've been meaning to abandon my halcyon base for a long time but the price of HAL goes up every time I decide to finally do it (and makes it worthwhile to keep the base a little longer) [23-Nov-24 02:22 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm building a new base in halcyon right now [23-Nov-24 02:22 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1309977348107669504/image.png?ex=681480b9&is=68132f39&hm=738cb954708b846aa1ed9db5fb94d3722bb2b585f7fa65957d06cd0a3bb204ef& [23-Nov-24 02:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 sweet, everyone should crash the price of HAL so I can finally abandon that base ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Nov-24 02:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 but it's worth it, especially if you're making CL [23-Nov-24 02:22 PM] laaxus#0000 The only issue of halcyon is the shipping ๐Ÿ˜’ [23-Nov-24 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 yep, I'm planning one hal base, 2 CL bases, 2 EPO bases, feeding one PP3 base [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 Laaxus vertically integrating? I've seen it all ๐Ÿ˜› [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 It's not exactly in prime position for ANT, but YK-266c is one jump away from Halcyon [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 ... [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] tanda#0000 and it's Chemistry [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 jokes aside though, it's a chain worth integrating imo [23-Nov-24 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, it's TOO much more profitable to not do it [23-Nov-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 this makes 5 bases profitable, while just relying on cx makes it harder [23-Nov-24 02:26 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm at 18 active bases rn and i just don't have the motivation/energy to be doing prunplanner analysis to figure out what and when to swap out buildings/recipes all the logistics and CONTD i have to do sap all said motivation/energy i have =/ [23-Nov-24 02:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 very true, that's why I've done HAL -> CL -> DDT for so long [23-Nov-24 02:26 PM] laaxus#0000 I had to chose : - not going vertical, but expanding on ben and mor - going vertical, but staying in antares {Reactions} antares_initiative (2) [23-Nov-24 02:27 PM] laaxus#0000 But Antares is Bestares, so the choice was relatively simple [23-Nov-24 02:28 PM] laaxus#0000 :antares_initiative: [23-Nov-24 02:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 the only reason I'm considering dropping the HAL in that step is because I'd like to do other things with the permit, and those are starting to get expensive ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [23-Nov-24 02:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 starting BWS has made me want to do more computers because it's a pretty fun supply chain [23-Nov-24 02:31 PM] tanda#0000 I want to do a half permit of CLI, but I just keep finding other things to use the permit on [23-Nov-24 02:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, plus then you have to figure out what to do with the other half [23-Nov-24 02:34 PM] tanda#0000 It was an addition over on SE-110a, actually. Second permit >.> [23-Nov-24 02:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 you could drop a permit on halcyon and do 50/50 HAL/CLI [23-Nov-24 02:37 PM] tanda#0000 I think I wound up deciding to do Iodine production up in the BEN area [23-Nov-24 02:38 PM] tanda#0000 KW-358i, and then ship that back across the border for MHL production in LS-231 [23-Nov-24 03:25 PM] tanda#0000 Speaking of: Why does BEN hate construction planets so much? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1309993245899620352/image.png?ex=68148f88&is=68133e08&hm=d9759c7e4c1c38129bd1cc2471f6b66062be6f78e178d3530c7810122547737f& [23-Nov-24 03:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Cause we don't have great metal sources and it's easier to ship construction outputs than metals [23-Nov-24 03:26 PM] tanda#0000 ah, fair [23-Nov-24 03:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm hoping gateways help us with that. Trying to get a gateway to Kiruna for FE [23-Nov-24 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 Giedi Prime doesn't give you guys enough FE? [23-Nov-24 03:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 We have a construction starter planet though, which is weird, lol [23-Nov-24 03:28 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Expensive planet [23-Nov-24 03:29 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Hardly worth it for just FEO. I think Kiruna + Libertas is the better option, and close enough [23-Nov-24 03:50 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Its a pain. I have like 14 bases and most of it is dedicated to SF. If I want to even optimise anything, it takes uprooting bases and shipping not only all the building mats but also the inventory. [23-Nov-24 03:51 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Repairs are a pain too [23-Nov-24 04:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ahh yes, SF. It's not like I haven't seen people running Fuel Refining operations on non-COGC matching planets... (I have)... It's just a long-term planning thing. It's also a strategy thing. You can have good fuel processes running on a CX-adjacent planet, and only really need to use STLs for the I/Os of the fuel jobs. GEN MCBs are nice for those, at min burns, but you'd need to overbuild for that. But that's like a 6-->12 month project on its own, and I think that I'm the only person really using those outdated ship designs. Everyone else is on the FSE/QCR models or something like it, if they can't spare HQ permits for shipbuilding. [23-Nov-24 04:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I try ๐Ÿ˜„ (and I fail) [23-Nov-24 04:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I had it pinned for a second at 360 or so [23-Nov-24 04:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I should put a big buy order up at 400 so I can help bring the price down more maybe? [23-Nov-24 04:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or build more HAL bases [23-Nov-24 04:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 My planned expansion for HAL is 850 per day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [23-Nov-24 04:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 right now it's like ~370 per day + I use some of it myself [23-Nov-24 04:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then I need to make more [23-Nov-24 04:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean making 850 per day ๐Ÿ˜… [23-Nov-24 04:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I will list HAL for internals soon as productions ramps up [23-Nov-24 07:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think i only make 860 or something a day [23-Nov-24 07:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 or I should [23-Nov-24 07:23 PM] evov#0000 Really depends on the base and what it makes, how well integrated it is into your other production, how "replaceable" that production is from the CX. The cost of doing so, isn't massive. You lose a little bit of money on having to rebuild habs. You lose a bit in lost production having to wait for new pop, having to wait for new experts etc. So there is definitely a cost associated with relocating a permit. But it shouldn't stop you from swapping production over from something that's meaningfully more profitable. [23-Nov-24 09:28 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I would never run a base without CoGC when permits are so expensive. Its cheaper for me to build and maintain a CoGC than get a new permit ๐Ÿ˜… [23-Nov-24 09:36 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 (Except katoa where i make fuel but cogc is manufacturing. Its only becausd i dont wanna lose my spot) [24-Nov-24 07:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Time for another recruitment round [24-Nov-24 07:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Can somebody on Phobos repost it, please. Thank you ๐Ÿ˜‡ [24-Nov-24 01:46 PM] igfloz#0000 Done {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Nov-24 04:52 PM] antisyntax#0000 If anyone wants to use, here is my python script to pull price data from ANT (for spreadsheets and stuffs). You can change it however you'd like to fit your use-case. ```python import requests # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Enter tickers here: brackets = { "Sell": ["AL"], # Display Bid price "Buy": ["O", "FLX", "H2O", "COF", "DW", "RAT", "OVE", "PWO"] # Display Ask price } # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- def cx(ticker): url = f"https://rest.fnar.net/exchange/{ticker}.AI1" response = requests.get(url, headers={"accept": "application/json"}) if response.status_code == 200: data = response.json() ask = data.get("Ask") bid = data.get("Bid") return ask, bid else: raise Exception(f"Failed to fetch data for {ticker}. HTTP Status Code: {response.status_code}") for category, tickers in brackets.items(): for ticker in tickers: ask, bid = cx(ticker) if category == "Sell": print(f"{ticker} ({category}): {bid}") elif category == "Buy": print(f"{ticker} ({category}): {ask}") ``` [24-Nov-24 04:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 for my case, its selling AL, and buying O, FLX, H2O, and consumables [24-Nov-24 04:53 PM] antisyntax#0000 ill refine it later, right now i just wanted something quick and dirty [24-Nov-24 05:26 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿค” i think i would just be lazy and use FIO [24-Nov-24 05:37 PM] .shiva.#0000 `/csv/prices` gets everything you could need in one query, and can dump straight into sheets/excel [24-Nov-24 06:08 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Sorry... Even though PRUN has it's niche in terms of a player base... htf will we use your script @antisyntax ? This ain't hate either. Probably a good number of our #ADI programmers know C/C++/C#/Java/JS/Perl//Ruby/Python or something else, usually in some combination... But those peeps usually are burdened with workflows and #time....... With a few additional guides/walk-through... how can an average PRUNner make use of those scripts (if they have the time)? [24-Nov-24 06:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 idk i was just throwing up my rudamentory code if anyone wanted to use it... i didn't give it much thought. I am working on something much bigger which will be easier to use, just thought that code could be helpful to others [24-Nov-24 06:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 it uses FIO [24-Nov-24 06:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 i would normally, but I use Numbers, and it doesn't have import support, so i just made a quick script to output the numbers so i can update my spreadsheet without having to open a ton of buffers in Apex [24-Nov-24 06:13 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7L6mQxlfVU {Embed} Pirate Software https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G7L6mQxlfVU Programming Watch the stream here: https://piratesoftware.live Join the community here: https://discord.gg/piratesoftware #Shorts #Twitch #PirateSoftware https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/At1KPv1qTlGmYMSjwYYvanVQdf6Qg9YVb77rzX0a9Cg/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/G7L6mQxlfVU/maxresdefault.jpg [24-Nov-24 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 sorry, i meant FIO with google sheets [24-Nov-24 06:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah [24-Nov-24 06:14 PM] .shiva.#0000 you can't import csv into a spreadsheet app? [24-Nov-24 06:14 PM] .shiva.#0000 that uh, something [24-Nov-24 06:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 not in Numbers [24-Nov-24 06:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i could open a csv [24-Nov-24 06:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 but i can't import data [24-Nov-24 06:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 i guess i could write a script that could download the CSV, then edit my numbers, but tbh just manually entering it sounds easier [24-Nov-24 06:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'd stay away from FIO, if possible... It's a common point of failure. IF FIO maintainers get doxxed, or they have IRL stuff to handle for years, or et cetera... Everyone's common point of informatics basically breaks if something changes. Yet... everyone is using FIO dependent tools. :/ [24-Nov-24 06:16 PM] .shiva.#0000 I'm not gonna knock it too much w/o trying it, but that really feels like there may just be an easier option in using like.. any other spreasheet app [24-Nov-24 06:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean i could use sheets or excel, im even certified in excel [24-Nov-24 06:17 PM] antisyntax#0000 but i'm kinda stubborn in using apple products and software now [24-Nov-24 06:18 PM] tanda#0000 the problem is that no one else makes and maintains an API, so there's two issues, Roh [24-Nov-24 06:18 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I know. [24-Nov-24 06:18 PM] tanda#0000 1) nobody else wants to do this or they would 2) it's crowdsourced, meaning it would probably be really hard to get people to run extensions to feed both APIs data [24-Nov-24 06:20 PM] jcheung#0000 may as well use it while we have it {Reactions} thistbh [24-Nov-24 06:20 PM] jcheung#0000 how do you get certified in it? [24-Nov-24 06:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 y_y [24-Nov-24 06:21 PM] antisyntax#0000 i got certified from a class in my high school, but i'm sure there are online courses. You want to look for the Microsoft Office Industry Certification [24-Nov-24 06:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 mmm, akin to the COMPTIA/Cisco certs of the early 00's, or the Google Certs right now. [24-Nov-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 comptia is still a thing now [24-Nov-24 06:22 PM] antisyntax#0000 im taking a comptia course in college rn [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] jcheung#0000 MOIC seems.... weird though, but hey [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 MOIC? [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 microsoft office [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 i mean it was a very easy course, and its a certification i can put on a resume ๐Ÿคท [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 the industry certs have published booklets.. You can get certified in a whole bunch more if you want, since they're just stand-alone tests, and need not require "classes". [24-Nov-24 06:23 PM] antisyntax#0000 and it gave me college credits in HS [24-Nov-24 06:24 PM] antisyntax#0000 true, but it was a hs elective class so ๐Ÿคท [24-Nov-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 anyways [24-Nov-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 with how much stuff depends on FIO, if FIO goes down i'm sure something would step into its shoes within a month or two [24-Nov-24 06:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yeah, that thing is Evov. [24-Nov-24 06:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 stand-alone spreadsheets for EVERY metric that you can think of in Prun. [24-Nov-24 06:27 PM] jcheung#0000 that sounds like it would suck to maintain [24-Nov-24 06:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 (we're all f'ked, since everyone is reliant on ASK.CX data for their operational decisions anyways) [24-Nov-24 06:50 PM] archielvahr#0000 You can run your own instance of FIO, I have done it [24-Nov-24 07:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 Imo, you should use whatever tools are fun and interesting to you! I use excel and FIO because I have a lot of experience with it, itโ€™s a good way to practice some skills for work, and because I wanted something easily portable between my computer / laptop {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Nov-24 07:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 I thought about pulling all the API stuff into R and making a fancy shiny app, but that would probably end up being way more work for the same functionality [24-Nov-24 11:47 PM] evov#0000 Version 1 of my sheets started with my cut/pasting all the CX data I was interested in, into a sheet. Took about 15mins to do that whenever I wanted to update. Then I saw a vid on how to import the prices list and I was like...... Yay! Functionally though - everything I use I can manually change the numbers. And the most recent model I use only really uses prices data for raw materials, and to a lesser extent / consumes / repairs (consumes/repairs when combined are stable enough I could just set benchmark prices and review them once every couple a weeks ) So yes, losing fio prices data would be a pain in the ass, but if everyone is in the same boat, I'm sure I'll manage ok. [26-Nov-24 02:06 PM] manhim#0000 Just finished my repairs sheet. Using FIO's /csv/sites data. There's a sheet listing which bases and which buildings I'm following, and for each of them I set a limit (day at which I need to repair) and a threshold (how many days before I should be warned). It then outputs all of it on another sheet that shows each individual buildings where I have some conditional formatting set for visual warnings and I've setup the new Conditional notifications feature to warn me whenever a building gets to 7 days before needing to be repaired. It's the first time that I'm using this feature. This enables me to track each buildings that needs to be repaired with it's own set of rules. I then add in my burn sheet the repair materials required so that I just need to push buttons at the right time. I'm slowly automating myself out of a j... game ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1311060525009997925/image.png?ex=68147d03&is=68132b83&hm=cd4723ca4697cd6f5c76cebca0010df737a14f3c4677a07929a45315ef5c4838& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1311060525316313239/image.png?ex=68147d03&is=68132b83&hm=78ccdf784dfc204f613057c554556e0a332e3ed3dbe4a3690c8789e6fb68a201& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1311060525538607174/image.png?ex=68147d03&is=68132b83&hm=6d6219c737a0a6acfcce198c379717b83b5cd7b79297542d1f0846d2aaf99281& [26-Nov-24 02:07 PM] manhim#0000 Next step would be to aggreggate all the buildings data and feed them back into the per-bases table for a summary view. [26-Nov-24 06:35 PM] antisyntax#0000 what happens if you have a HQ above lvl 5 and your PRO expires to BASIC? [26-Nov-24 06:35 PM] tanda#0000 Nothing, but you can't upgrade it further. [26-Nov-24 06:35 PM] antisyntax#0000 but i don't lose perks? [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can only have 2 ships flying at a time [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You canโ€™t send CONTs [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] antisyntax#0000 eww okay im going to keep my PRO [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But you can receive them [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 No, you'll keep your HQ bonus as well as any active permits. [26-Nov-24 06:36 PM] antisyntax#0000 i didn't mind the other stuff but i'll probably be buying another ship soon [26-Nov-24 07:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 ok, 131 days 5hrs left {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ (2) [26-Nov-24 08:01 PM] tanda#0000 What planet are you naming? [26-Nov-24 08:40 PM] antisyntax#0000 huh? [26-Nov-24 08:40 PM] antisyntax#0000 i just extended my PRO for 3 months [26-Nov-24 08:42 PM] antisyntax#0000 just used XIT actions for the first time, didn't realize how expensive those 30 days of consumables were, but i guess im set for *quite a while* [26-Nov-24 08:43 PM] antisyntax#0000 cost me over a million AIC though... [26-Nov-24 08:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh [26-Nov-24 08:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m working to help alleviate the drinking water crisis [26-Nov-24 08:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m packaging industrial waste water [26-Nov-24 08:54 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [27-Nov-24 07:37 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Basic license also loses the CXM command, recurring production orders, ability to post on LM, run for gov, vote on CoGC, filter CXOS and other commands, and use the FX... it's not impossible by any means, but it's definitely a pain [27-Nov-24 07:59 AM] jcheung#0000 I don't know why the devs chose to make it so crippling [27-Nov-24 07:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 By design, of course. [27-Nov-24 07:59 AM] jcheung#0000 I didn't ask *how* [27-Nov-24 07:59 AM] jcheung#0000 I asked *why* [27-Nov-24 08:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Same thing on this question. [27-Nov-24 08:00 AM] jcheung#0000 No it's not [27-Nov-24 08:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Devs want revenues, and the only way to get them is by building in "incentives" for people to pay for pro. [27-Nov-24 08:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Else, why would you pay for pro? [27-Nov-24 08:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 No revenues, no simulogics, no APEX server, and no molp. [27-Nov-24 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 Even with that, you don't have to gimp the daily QoL [27-Nov-24 08:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Limiting active ships and permit count would already be a good incentive [27-Nov-24 08:02 AM] jcheung#0000 Daily QoL stuff like queues and contracts? That's way too locked down {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Nov-24 08:03 AM] jcheung#0000 You want long term retention not short term profits [27-Nov-24 08:03 AM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe, but it works because Iโ€™m afraid of letting my pro expire ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 08:03 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^^ [27-Nov-24 08:03 AM] jcheung#0000 If you let basic be reasonable you keep people arpund playing basic, and then later they go pro again [27-Nov-24 08:03 AM] jcheung#0000 Instead of outright quitting [27-Nov-24 08:04 AM] jcheung#0000 Like some of the QoL stuff could be pared down compared to pro, but not totally eliminated. [27-Nov-24 08:05 AM] jcheung#0000 Your mindset roh, is why games have been getting shittier and shittier each passing year. Short term profits and fuck the long term health of the community [27-Nov-24 08:06 AM] jcheung#0000 Though that's not limited to just games, that's just been the fastest devolving example [27-Nov-24 08:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 Idk, I know of quite a few players on basic. I donโ€™t agree with all the choices, but itโ€™s not bad for getting to play the game for free [27-Nov-24 08:06 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 In my mindset, I support indie devs, for unique games like Prun. Simulogics decided on a long-term game, and a long-term subscription model --- so be it. [27-Nov-24 08:08 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And yes, most players on Prun are Trials. If sashka's prun-stats site is even remotely accurate... You're basically seeing most, if not all of the paying users on UFO, and that's only amounting to ~10% of the total user base. [27-Nov-24 08:09 AM] manhim#0000 Why, they would have no reasons to if basic would suffice. [27-Nov-24 08:11 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm kinda with you about putting expansion potential and flight limits and even sending conts behind the wall, but you're 100% right that putting basic QoL stuff behind the wall is costing them players [27-Nov-24 08:11 AM] jcheung#0000 I'm not saying give everything. Keep HQ limit. Keep ship in transit limit. Degrade queues. But at the same time be better than what's available now. [27-Nov-24 08:11 AM] jcheung#0000 That's what I'm fucking saying. You're missing market capture and only relying on the whales [27-Nov-24 08:12 AM] jcheung#0000 Whales will whale either way, and individuals may have shorter sub terms but you have more of them [27-Nov-24 08:12 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m not sure if this is a market capture sort of game, but I get your point ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 08:12 AM] sidepipe#0000 Wait, technically it literally is [27-Nov-24 08:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 But you know what I mean ๐Ÿ˜ [27-Nov-24 08:13 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ** Roh opens up steam ...** Market capture, yes! [27-Nov-24 08:13 AM] jcheung#0000 I mean it in the most literal sense [27-Nov-24 08:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Sometimes I wonder if weโ€™d all be better off if pro was half the price and there was no free tier other than a 1-2 month trial {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Nov-24 08:14 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 they could get more of that market if they plopped in subscription codes as steam --> prun account linkages. [27-Nov-24 08:14 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Like, I'm pretty poor... I couldn't afford pro after the hurricane hit here recently. My empire isn't even that big and everything went to shit, the extra work needed to keep it up was rough. QoL blocked by PRO keeps people from hanging out on low burn in times like holidays right now then coming back later. Instead people just quit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Nov-24 08:14 AM] manhim#0000 Nah, I think that letting people put a foot in the door is too important for such a niche game [27-Nov-24 08:14 AM] jcheung#0000 I would argue probably yes. [27-Nov-24 08:14 AM] jcheung#0000 But 6 month free (at reduced ability) rather than 2 [27-Nov-24 08:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™d be interesting if there were stats on basic retention - how long people play on average before re-subbing or quitting [27-Nov-24 08:17 AM] manhim#0000 mothballing bases should be a thing {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [27-Nov-24 08:17 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 you'll never get that data from molp. [27-Nov-24 08:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 No, of course not ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 08:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 I wouldnโ€™t hand that out if I was a dev either - but it would answer the debate here [27-Nov-24 08:18 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can dismantle all your buildings, but I wish there was a one-button solution [27-Nov-24 08:18 AM] jcheung#0000 Like this could be a pro feature [27-Nov-24 08:19 AM] manhim#0000 But then you lose some of the materials, so you need to ship back those materials to rebuild the buildings. But I guess it kinda make sense. Basically forcing you to repair. [27-Nov-24 08:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™d love a mothball button with a 5-10 day reactivation timer [27-Nov-24 08:21 AM] sidepipe#0000 Long enough that you canโ€™t abuse it when you run out of supplies temporarily [27-Nov-24 08:21 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah, that would balance it [27-Nov-24 08:23 AM] jcheung#0000 Or even like a 12 hr wind down and wind up [27-Nov-24 08:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 Or no timer but it kicks your workforce back to the pool so you might have to wait on popr to refill [27-Nov-24 08:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can just furlough people like every major manufacturer in America {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [27-Nov-24 08:25 AM] jcheung#0000 Ooh. That would be interesting [27-Nov-24 08:25 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1311337132610158632/image0.gif?ex=6814d5df&is=6813845f&hm=96d3f431db8eee784f18c86c208135a91a50976cbd597c3150603b4ee7893daf& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Nov-24 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 It would give some extra incentives to not run a planet as lean as possible popr wise [29-Nov-24 03:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Wow, C market recovered nicely [29-Nov-24 05:46 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312021760920780841/image0.gif?ex=6814b07b&is=68135efb&hm=7fd4b37c0598c55b9b0325132d16495aaaa01279d5e2a3a124317462c7f0f1b6& [30-Nov-24 02:30 AM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-daffodil-hot-diggity-diggity-gif-14345943148617592799 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-daffodil-hot-diggity-diggity-gif-14345943148617592799 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YZ6lXCtRo-2y2apJRNu5vDlsXn6HuvRX0Ty79gkugN8/https/media.tenor.com/xxcHSR1M798AAAAe/futurama-bender.png [30-Nov-24 08:01 AM] marat_sh#0000 don't look at COF [30-Nov-24 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, I buy so few cof that its price doesn't matter [30-Nov-24 08:09 AM] marat_sh#0000 also true [30-Nov-24 08:25 AM] evov#0000 I have more cof than I can use in a lifetime - I'll keep feeding into the market till it gets back to normal [30-Nov-24 08:32 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bvP5k.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/espresso-gif-19942372 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5cJSzjOjfK3_bQ0jzMjPlu0TRs3aL7pbeAK_Jh7vHP0/https/media.tenor.com/XzHv7ejh2o0AAAAe/espresso.png [30-Nov-24 09:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sigh-ok-whatever-duh-fine-gif-22916357 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sigh-ok-whatever-duh-fine-gif-22916357 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/S-apR9WjhufwuIYbB2g0xo7oRmKoR2BQQWdSt0zAd1s/https/media.tenor.com/SZbEhuQie7UAAAAe/sigh-ok.png [30-Nov-24 09:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 honestly, I don't even care who did it anymore [30-Nov-24 09:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But Laaxus might be right - PIO don't need too much of it. It seems not to affect prices that much, so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [30-Nov-24 09:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 higher C prices hurt more [30-Nov-24 09:21 AM] marat_sh#0000 It hurts if you have BMPs ๐Ÿ˜… [30-Nov-24 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 there is actually a point where COF isn't worth it anymore [30-Nov-24 04:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Probably [01-Dec-24 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 There's this guy that I'm competing with to sell my hss [01-Dec-24 09:28 AM] laaxus#0000 everytime he connects, he undercut me [01-Dec-24 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 but also, everytime he connects, he buys hms from me [01-Dec-24 09:29 AM] laaxus#0000 so I have an in-game notification that allows me to undercut him back in less than 5m [01-Dec-24 09:32 AM] marat_sh#0000 you can set notifications for that? [01-Dec-24 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312803776033329182/image.png?ex=6814e5ca&is=6813944a&hm=77b91754f8255049c5531c41da301fad9639563d5e721cce53488f4d14d152ad& [01-Dec-24 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [01-Dec-24 09:33 AM] jvaler#0000 should be on by default [01-Dec-24 09:34 AM] marat_sh#0000 Oh I thought Laaxus was talking about notification when someone posts order under them ๐Ÿ˜… I might misunderstood [01-Dec-24 09:35 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312804156154839050/image.png?ex=6814e625&is=681394a5&hm=3b3c39db9173faccdd7bb6a258b03a8b9c8d5c57e5d717ece23af83fd621de2a& [01-Dec-24 09:35 AM] laaxus#0000 this part is very important [01-Dec-24 09:35 AM] marat_sh#0000 Ah I see now ๐Ÿ˜… [01-Dec-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway I'm leaving the hss market I was producing what the market was consuming, but now 2 other companies joined this market, and the price (and therefore the profit) slowly decreased [01-Dec-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312804813716717650/image.png?ex=6814e6c2&is=68139542&hm=7e4ed8079babe09d15684b7723f6820544ff811a609dc9cb0e6408faeab00d24& [01-Dec-24 09:37 AM] jvaler#0000 if it were me i'd keep producing and purposefully drive down the price just to prove a point. "i was here first" and all [01-Dec-24 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm undercutting everyone [01-Dec-24 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 any hss that is sold is from me lol [01-Dec-24 09:38 AM] laaxus#0000 I still have 2 weeks worth of stock, that I need to sell [01-Dec-24 09:39 AM] jvaler#0000 oh i see what's going on {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312805258941956096/image.png?ex=6814e72c&is=681395ac&hm=76135c65cc88309867c283bbb8f1ead7b2dda25055b6d1e69c04f323a64afb09& [01-Dec-24 09:39 AM] jvaler#0000 when did these ppl get into the market? [01-Dec-24 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 the moment the price started to decrease [01-Dec-24 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 lmaoo [01-Dec-24 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 or wait [01-Dec-24 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 oh they caused the decrease didn't they [01-Dec-24 09:40 AM] jvaler#0000 okay makes sense [01-Dec-24 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 so around 20th oct I'd guess ? [01-Dec-24 09:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 what is this order book {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312805816792780810/image.png?ex=6814e7b1&is=68139631&hm=9d1b76589afc1693fb1251fcf9add5f465229cd9f74dfc8ec7128897790bd0a4& [01-Dec-24 09:42 AM] jvaler#0000 making "good" use of that 6 open order limit =P [01-Dec-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 TRU was undercutting me 10 unit a time [01-Dec-24 09:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 well [01-Dec-24 09:43 AM] laaxus#0000 which is sound, as people usually buy hss a few unit at a time [01-Dec-24 09:43 AM] laaxus#0000 so he could refill the order as soon as someone buy from him [01-Dec-24 09:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 time to get in touch with RogueHX, get him to delist his order, and buy up all of those orders [01-Dec-24 09:43 AM] sidepipe#0000 then you can start all over again at 3.6k ๐Ÿ˜‰ [01-Dec-24 09:44 AM] moke.#0000 I did this with carbon and people got mad [01-Dec-24 09:44 AM] laaxus#0000 unfortunately I'm quite protective of my market, so if I can't profit from hss, neither will them I even filled the order at 2000 out of spite, to be sure they would not be able to sell their stock {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-Dec-24 09:45 AM] jvaler#0000 that's more like it ๐Ÿ˜ผ [01-Dec-24 09:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, i had a similar situation with carbon transport for DDT [01-Dec-24 09:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 it was selling < 3k for a while, then I just started stockpiling instead of selling [01-Dec-24 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 but that only works if you have enough other income to eat the costs of the base for a long time [01-Dec-24 02:52 PM] astra1414#0000 i like that way of thinking [01-Dec-24 02:52 PM] astra1414#0000 you'll go far. promoted to 2nd class citizen. keep up the good work {Reactions} ๐Ÿต [01-Dec-24 03:07 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿซก [01-Dec-24 05:11 PM] tanda#0000 This is the cleanest my Burn page has looked in a very long time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312919150380978207/image.png?ex=6814a87e&is=681356fe&hm=87577ec5063fad8c4b51a204cdeadd1c2a297c5f3577171bb4b5e0cfccf179d3& [01-Dec-24 05:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Mine is on fire and burning right now [01-Dec-24 09:40 PM] tanda#0000 My metallurgy bases are feeling awfully tight right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1312986844648050769/image.png?ex=6814e789&is=68139609&hm=2329b04b2484a8470078e6ad1a8b9d12942ad0b847513751226ae02a14203619& [02-Dec-24 02:08 AM] evov#0000 r.e. HSS - This is my worker count. I use less than 6 HSS per day. It's needed... but I think some people over-estimated the demand before they started over producing. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1313054255069921290/image.png?ex=68147d91&is=68132c11&hm=4236ccc1c87939de3f23ff4b76bdf98f02d21f36fd16f81a97ae93c3445ed5d2& [02-Dec-24 02:09 AM] laaxus#0000 well, I was producing what the market needed, just other producers joined the party [02-Dec-24 02:09 AM] laaxus#0000 (but I agree I did overproduced once) [02-Dec-24 05:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My screen to update my rPrUn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1313289316226830346/Screenshot_2024-12-02_154219.png?ex=6814afbc&is=68135e3c&hm=2f344c207fd959df28e1240c7466e3ea04254141b8dd67a8f83eeafa0568a165& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [02-Dec-24 05:46 PM] tanda#0000 uhm rPrun updates itself [02-Dec-24 05:46 PM] tanda#0000 when you open PRUN for the first time it rapidly opens BS buffers to load data [02-Dec-24 05:46 PM] tanda#0000 (at least if I'm remembering right) [02-Dec-24 05:47 PM] tanda#0000 so fresh off a refresh my buffer number is 17, meaning it opened 16 buffers while loading [02-Dec-24 06:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh maybe [02-Dec-24 06:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but when I checked and opened it, it was missing some bases in BURN [02-Dec-24 06:18 PM] jcheung#0000 i just refresh when that happens {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [03-Dec-24 04:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Any thoughts about extracting and smelting AU? [03-Dec-24 04:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Elon looks promising - at least in near ANT space [03-Dec-24 05:04 AM] tanda#0000 What are you planning to do with it? IIRC AU gains mass when smelted and rapidly becomes a problem [03-Dec-24 05:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Have a customer, who requested if thatโ€™s something I could produce. Just looking at it atm [03-Dec-24 06:05 AM] tanda#0000 it'll depend a lot on volume. If they don't need maximum output from a base, it shouldn't be bad [03-Dec-24 06:09 AM] tanda#0000 If they do need a lot, i would ask them what they need to process the AU into, and produce that on site [03-Dec-24 06:14 AM] tanda#0000 `fit AU 3000t 1000m [03-Dec-24 06:14 AM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} Max Units 155 AU Remaining Weight 5.40t Remaining Volume 845.00mยณ [03-Dec-24 06:15 AM] finestone#0000 Shipping the smelted AU is a pain. [03-Dec-24 08:46 AM] antisyntax#0000 yea i do love the fact that it updates instantly, i don't have to wait a day or so ๐Ÿ™‚ [03-Dec-24 03:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i get people to extract and move the ore, not smelt it on site [03-Dec-24 03:36 PM] riseoffilth#0000 its more efficient per base, if only requiring more transport [04-Dec-24 06:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 tfw you upgrade your monitors to 4K and now you have way too much empty space in APEX {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1314021661921640448/image.png?ex=6814b6c9&is=68136549&hm=d321a1dc49a77ba4e1230f0642184364ab6cede508766152594635832aa09e1e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Dec-24 06:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 now i get the wonderous task of re-OCDing my APEX... here goes another 30 minutes of my life ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Dec-24 06:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 thats after redoing it from upgrading my monitors last time [04-Dec-24 06:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 went from 1080p60 to 2K UW, now to 4k60s [04-Dec-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 30? [04-Dec-24 06:27 PM] antisyntax#0000 something like that idk [04-Dec-24 06:27 PM] antisyntax#0000 maybe a bit quicker but its gotta be pixel-perfect [04-Dec-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 i think you underestimate the time ๐Ÿ˜› [04-Dec-24 06:31 PM] jcheung#0000 or do you mean 30 min for the one tab [04-Dec-24 06:36 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [04-Dec-24 06:48 PM] tanda#0000 Too much space, you say? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1314030700394971246/Screenshot_2024-12-04_164824.png?ex=6814bf34&is=68136db4&hm=d720ef0c0d17a7aa442f733177b4e61f14515d7aa8dac334fff7007ac3934561& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1314030701229641758/Screenshot_2024-12-04_164833.png?ex=6814bf34&is=68136db4&hm=95ab42cb1707bfd705812ad63e99c3e3731ef2e1719202d9430c786e55180b6f& [04-Dec-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 but you're using most of that space. [04-Dec-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 i was saying i had a ton of blank or empty space [04-Dec-24 06:49 PM] antisyntax#0000 the only empty space i see is in the bottom right corner, which really isn't that much unused screen space [04-Dec-24 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just saying don't worry, it'll fill up quickly [04-Dec-24 06:55 PM] antisyntax#0000 ah [04-Dec-24 06:59 PM] bluesnakelw#0000 how do u get these custom icons for the materials? [04-Dec-24 06:59 PM] antisyntax#0000 Refined PRUN [04-Dec-24 07:00 PM] antisyntax#0000 its a browser extension that works with FIO data to bring QoL improvements to APEX [04-Dec-24 07:00 PM] bluesnakelw#0000 ah okay thank you [04-Dec-24 07:13 PM] razenpok#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/refined-prun-qol-extension-for-prosperous-universe/6760 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/refined-prun-qol-extension-for-prosperous-universe/6760 Refined PrUn - QoL extension for Prosperous Universe Prosperous Universe is a great game, but some missing features and minor annoyances can disrupt the experience. So here be dragons. Refined PrUn started as a fork of PMMG Extended and ended up being an almost complete rewrite of the base extension. The result is better performance and UI responsiveness, as well as new features and QoL improveme... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Z5k59AMgUcho5dHgL99JgyrNY08n7ppZe0WKJsSfRH0/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/3/33e87fc763999975fcfc698b6dc6c1a2f6a106bd_2_1024x515.jpeg [04-Dec-24 10:11 PM] antisyntax#0000 Finally done, @jcheung lol. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1314081813463040042/image.png?ex=6814eece&is=68139d4e&hm=aa2b06562479b64bdb07b665acd87367006422a9e6816aa0dad1396c0e0050e8& [04-Dec-24 10:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 This one page can manage every single aspect of my company. I only need this one screen. [04-Dec-24 10:12 PM] antisyntax#0000 And it's ready for my fourth-base expansion [04-Dec-24 10:13 PM] antisyntax#0000 If i need more buffers later, I can split down the NOTS and XIT CONTS windows and get two more [04-Dec-24 10:14 PM] jcheung#0000 that was a tiny bit longer than 30 minutes ๐Ÿ˜œ [04-Dec-24 10:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 just a bit ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Dec-24 10:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 got distracted quite a few times [04-Dec-24 10:14 PM] antisyntax#0000 #ADHDlife [04-Dec-24 10:15 PM] antisyntax#0000 But i'm kinda a bit suprised i was able to fit everything i'll need on one page lol [04-Dec-24 10:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 If i get into government, admin, or more expansions, or infra or other community projects, i'll need a second page but [04-Dec-24 10:16 PM] antisyntax#0000 but yeah, was able to condense 3 windows into 1 with this new 4k monitor [04-Dec-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1314084236998869053/image.png?ex=6814f110&is=68139f90&hm=1565d74752ca2253e7b0823244dd3fd2ba9c29f0014e3f6508c48cd5db5cc8d5& [04-Dec-24 10:21 PM] tanda#0000 I need all of these [05-Dec-24 10:42 AM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ I pretty much use up both of my 4K monitors when I'm purchasing stock and burn items {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Dec-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 my god i think i need a 4th food industries planet [07-Dec-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 that or i pull my norwick base out of AFC [07-Dec-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd need to find a replacement though, don't wanna leave rise hanging [07-Dec-24 05:54 PM] jvaler#0000 HYF just produce so much [07-Dec-24 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 well good news is SE-110a is just right there [07-Dec-24 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that'd be my 3rd [07-Dec-24 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 but SE-110b makes so much CAF/RAT agri that i want a 4th... [07-Dec-24 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 That i could not advise on, but there's always a new planet! [07-Dec-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ‘€ [07-Dec-24 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i already re-colonized hermes, do i go for another? [07-Dec-24 06:28 PM] tanda#0000 options are pretty limited if you don't want to haul it really far [07-Dec-24 06:30 PM] tanda#0000 at least if you exclude BL, AEF, MGC and TSH as options [07-Dec-24 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 AEF isn't bad [07-Dec-24 06:31 PM] jvaler#0000 as long as there isn't too much else [07-Dec-24 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315113410085785682/image.png?ex=6814bb0e&is=6813698e&hm=c46a01450128f2f746f0b1b01de314031c22b9d71529330ab7bb72c5aa0b00d1& [07-Dec-24 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 there's SE-052a, or SE-052f [07-Dec-24 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 I'd already been eyeballing a for maybe a second HYF base in the distant future [07-Dec-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 you're skipping life? [07-Dec-24 06:33 PM] tanda#0000 rather in the wrong quadrant of the galaxy, isn't it? [07-Dec-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 i suppose... [07-Dec-24 06:34 PM] tanda#0000 I never did like that it was 4 jumps away from the water faucet [07-Dec-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 australis named it tho ๐Ÿฅบ [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] tanda#0000 and honestly me doing a second HYF base is getting so distant I might just start thinking about sponsoring a newbie to do it in 6 months on Thalassa B [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You need more FP or more HYF? [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 more FP [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 and more FER too cause i'm planning on phobos FRMs for HER [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Join me on Phobos ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿคช [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 oop [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean..... [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oop [07-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm [07-Dec-24 06:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [07-Dec-24 06:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just make DW there [07-Dec-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 hey this is technically my fault [07-Dec-24 06:36 PM] tanda#0000 but I have been trying to be the little devil in the ear for a while regarding the DW crisis [07-Dec-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 "Off COGC production of water on Phobos makes 150k a day" [07-Dec-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 "Look at it, it only costs 800k for a full base" [07-Dec-24 06:37 PM] jvaler#0000 DW crisis is fake ๐Ÿ˜ด {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315115014478368869/image.png?ex=6814bc8d&is=68136b0d&hm=5a166946661268656ada9993a2a5771f6e28737744a9eeef0ec4e8da9e3996e3& [07-Dec-24 06:37 PM] tanda#0000 DW crisis is just laziness, lol [07-Dec-24 06:38 PM] tanda#0000 everyone just keeps waiting for someone else to do it [07-Dec-24 06:38 PM] tanda#0000 <-guilty [07-Dec-24 06:39 PM] jvaler#0000 oh wth [07-Dec-24 06:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You just reminded me to sell my DW [07-Dec-24 06:39 PM] tanda#0000 if it weren't for the import requirements, it would be THE perfect starter base for a new player [07-Dec-24 06:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well maybe I can help a newbie out [07-Dec-24 06:40 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean..... SCB is the right ratio for H2O which fits 2500 H2O... and the base takes 2800 H2O/d [07-Dec-24 06:41 PM] jvaler#0000 it's certainly possible if you're online everyday [07-Dec-24 06:41 PM] jvaler#0000 and it's got great rewards for that chore [07-Dec-24 06:41 PM] tanda#0000 and if someone's engaged enough, they just get a shipkit loan and get their upgrades really early [07-Dec-24 06:41 PM] jvaler#0000 truuue [07-Dec-24 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 damn H2O is cheap rn {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [07-Dec-24 06:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 I was considering SE-751b since itโ€™s close to Thalassa and only needs INS [07-Dec-24 06:45 PM] jvaler#0000 flight times are decent on that [07-Dec-24 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 way better than hermes at least... [07-Dec-24 06:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm sitting on tons of cash and BWS, just need to free up or acquire another permit [07-Dec-24 06:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 only issue is the micrometeroid density - 4.5 ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [07-Dec-24 06:51 PM] jvaler#0000 that's also about the same as hermes lmao, 4.7 [07-Dec-24 06:52 PM] jvaler#0000 also SE-648 [07-Dec-24 06:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 the whole SE sector is just asteroid soup [07-Dec-24 06:52 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [07-Dec-24 06:53 PM] sidepipe#0000 but yeah, I've been thinking about SE-751b for a while. just didn't wanna spend all the cash on colonizing it if no one else ever mvoed there [07-Dec-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 well i might actually have a solution that doesn't need food industries... [07-Dec-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 i forgot SE-110d exists [07-Dec-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 could make more carbon [07-Dec-24 06:55 PM] jvaler#0000 everybody loves that [07-Dec-24 07:00 PM] tanda#0000 This is why I was asking Taiyi if it's possible to get a meteroid and star radiation overlay for their map [07-Dec-24 07:01 PM] tanda#0000 but weren't you planning on cornering the COF market? [07-Dec-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 was i? [07-Dec-24 07:02 PM] tanda#0000 I have no idea, I'm just struggling to think of a reason for that much COF, lol [07-Dec-24 07:02 PM] jvaler#0000 well it's good money rn, and everybody seems to need COF [07-Dec-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 but i realized that needs a load of NS, and just a small portion of a chem base can't fulfill that [07-Dec-24 07:03 PM] jvaler#0000 though i could just buy off the CX... it's a decent price [07-Dec-24 07:04 PM] tanda#0000 Evayoo has a NS production base on ZV-639d [07-Dec-24 07:05 PM] jvaler#0000 @evany. do you make much excess NS? [07-Dec-24 07:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel like I never have enough NS [07-Dec-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 we just got a new member on phobos looking for an AGP grant... do we do this? lolol [07-Dec-24 07:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We have a new member? [07-Dec-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 we get quite a few #server-airlock [07-Dec-24 07:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Idk what I'm looking at. A message link would help. Spent the last 2 days doing work + house stuff + house planning. [07-Dec-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 it's the airlock channel [07-Dec-24 08:00 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm, ~3 new arrivals. since the 6th. Filefolders ([ CORPS COSM ] -- Cosmocene Collective --- a play on the goop that Soviet industrial production use to lubricate their gears + moving parts --- some really stanky stuff. I think they're the lead on that, and they're around HRT or so, but I don't have exact details)... 2 newbros, looking to get into the food business and fuel production business. Those two businesses have high capital sinks in terms of shipping requirements and rather low profitability margins, as compared to higher end production, and expansion is pretty slow... Worthwhile to let in, imo. Can always pitch new ideas, or generally provide info & mentor mentor the fledgling youth, if anyone has the time. Uhm....... [07-Dec-24 08:02 PM] tanda#0000 oh, I've got a base idea for them [07-Dec-24 08:02 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The Phobos fuel producer can do it... There's alot of "hidden" fuel producers on the starter worlds, around the CXs and whatnot. Most higher margin industries basically ate the Fuel Refining COGCs that were around, so it's basically lower margin than most things, and people just have to get triple green worlds where they can on that. [07-Dec-24 08:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If they want a grant.... They should use it for those WCB upgrades that we've got a project going in here for. [07-Dec-24 08:20 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I'll ping the Phobos person with a question in the airlock. The food person can do their thing easily within Antares... although it'll be rather unorthodox per current metas, if they'd take my recommendations (subsequent in-house chatter), or something else. Idk the food person's long-term plan though. Pre-planning and selling a viable pitch, with metrics, is a big thing in my book. 3-4 sentence summaries don't convey those details very well. [07-Dec-24 08:21 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 I seen that [07-Dec-24 08:22 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Ive been looking at the margins and the margins for fuels alone isnt 'too' bad [07-Dec-24 08:23 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 At least not right this moment anyway, ive found a few planets that have HE3 and hydrogen in large quantities but shipping costs would be rough starting out [07-Dec-24 08:23 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 They kinda out in the sticks. [07-Dec-24 08:24 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Have been looking at margins and construction requirements for alot of base building components and ship construction components, im open to building just about anything. I just picked fuels as it seemed as good a place to start as any when i made my account [07-Dec-24 08:24 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 But it doesnt seem like ill be limited to just one type of product or even just a few bases, i can build as much as i can manage and that gives me alot of really bad ideas [07-Dec-24 08:24 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 im open to suggestions and so on [07-Dec-24 08:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Ohh you're in here... Wonderful. ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Dec-24 08:25 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 indeed i am ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Dec-24 08:25 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 spent the first day mostly tinkering with the UI and reading the wiki and handbook [07-Dec-24 08:26 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 so im off to a running start [07-Dec-24 08:26 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 i also played EvE for 15 years and barrons of the galaxy for like 3, this isnt bad tbh [07-Dec-24 08:26 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 I am ready to serve my new corporate overlords in the Antares Initiative [07-Dec-24 08:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Serve? No. Negotiate. [07-Dec-24 08:29 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But since you have that much experience, I can confer on-par recommendations/considerations, if you want to do the fuel thing... Keep this in mind though; you can switch to a different industrial focus/mix at any time, or you can just keep doing the fuel thing. Both are valid, since Prun as a game is rather forgiving... There's no real mistakes, unless you mis-click on a market order! [07-Dec-24 08:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 As for the topic of immediate concern... You've said you want to do the fuel business on Phobos.. Can you share a "base link" from prunplanner, or just give me your production building + habitation building numbers, from what you intend to do right now? I can run my own numbers, and show you screenshots. [07-Dec-24 08:36 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 I dont have th e planner but i have currently 2 HB1, oxygen extractor, 1 refinery, and 1 HB2 [07-Dec-24 08:36 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Along with a stock of consumables for pioneers and settlers [07-Dec-24 08:38 PM] jvaler#0000 if you're not attached to the idea of fuel refining, myself and tanda were chatting earlier about how good DW production currently is. a 28 FP base on phobos makes 100k/d right now, although the only concern is shipping capacity requirements. however, ADI currently has a ship upgrade kit program that can get your starter 500t/500m^3 ships upgraded to 3000t/1000m^3 ships which solves this issue. the kits cost 1.35mil each, however i'm offering 90 day 0% interest loans to help players who can't pay that much upfront. that comes out to just 15k/d in repayments, which is easily offset by the profits of the DW base [07-Dec-24 08:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well I can float them on an FP base on Heph, since I have the shipping.. If they'd like basically an immediate boost to their current profitable revenues, we can arrange that... But It'll take a newbro like 3-->6 months to a year, to figure out what they like to do... It helps in long-term retention metrics. [07-Dec-24 08:51 PM] jvaler#0000 float them a base? what does that mean? and why FP on heph? heph has a perfectly good manufacturing CoGC the idea is that AGP will pay for ~80% of the phobos base [07-Dec-24 09:02 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Sorry, was helping my wife build her mother a computer [07-Dec-24 09:02 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 My MIL is a pain in my ass. [07-Dec-24 09:02 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 No im not married to fuel refining, im open to new ideas. I like making money and building things [07-Dec-24 09:02 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Why is FP fabricating so space intesive? [07-Dec-24 09:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Indeed, float. I won't have my prun instance up for another hour or so. But given the metrics in that screenshot, the newbro player in discussion, will not have the the logistical upgrades in ship parts, to deal with a max base allowance, per week, per ADI grant standards. I can deal with that shipping easily, and even give the a starting grant of H20... for like 2 weeks. Shipping will be free. Consider it an experiment. It'll take them a while to get used to the game. I can float them in shipping for about a month.... They can always get used to the LM market, via planetary COMGs "advertisements" to get people to ship their stuff for a slight expense. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315152716338823209/Screenshot_from_2024-12-07_20-58-03.png?ex=6814dfa9&is=68138e29&hm=ba5b490d1ab96989466578a56b0c081b6e54781e7379417155ce4cf0ac3295bc& [07-Dec-24 09:10 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 They can always re-tool Heph to a different industry, or to focus Phobos to Fuel Refining, or something else. But these things take time, and so if you're looking to boost ANT CX supply for DW, this is a win-win-win, in the short term. The shipping rates between Phobos and ANT CX... are really bad though... Hence why I recommend Heph, as another off-COGC planet, since I can supply it at a moments notice, within a day. [07-Dec-24 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 PSK kit loans are entirely separate from AGP. they can be eligible for both. shipping won't be an issue. > Indeed, float. float what? you didn't explain what you mean [07-Dec-24 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 > The shipping rates between Phobos and ANT CX... are really bad though... Hence why I recommend Heph, as another off-COGC planet, since I can supply it at a moments notice, within a day. phobos has basically identical flight times as heph. this is just wrong {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315154632472924190/image.png?ex=6814e172&is=68138ff2&hm=d85b9dc1bf22607d7b1f5658b51485a9109864ce1a6deeed8ef587ee63e5ff48& [07-Dec-24 09:16 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Consider the screenshot in whole. I'm usually focusing on the top right segment, with shipping I/Os... Typical transit rates from ANT <--> Phobos are 1-2 days, each for import, or export. Typical transits between Heph and ANT CX are usually within 6 <--> 12 hours. And I have no info on your ship design. [07-Dec-24 09:17 PM] jvaler#0000 typical transit times between heph and ANT are 3-6hrs... [07-Dec-24 09:18 PM] jvaler#0000 and the ship uses an FSE, it's even slower than an upgraded starter {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315155403205513217/image.png?ex=6814e22a&is=681390aa&hm=42e3fd39e2525b5f5f7a698a4dc000cedb7a431c07484a9e12f0c218d2e34a19& [07-Dec-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 if the ship was loaded with water it would only take 4hrs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315155748895850556/image.png?ex=6814e27c&is=681390fc&hm=d7cfdc4d165ffadab7a5b943d4aa8c8244325c09d8a8e78fbad1ddbbe10f2079& [07-Dec-24 09:19 PM] jvaler#0000 1-2 days is nonsense [07-Dec-24 09:23 PM] jvaler#0000 what do you mean by this? FP aren't really space intensive, they're actually one of the smaller area buildings in the game. 28 of them fitting in the 475 area of a 1 permit base is quite a bit compared to other buildings [07-Dec-24 09:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yep. So if the focus on Phobos for @mephistopheles0242 regarding an FP base producing DW, consider my offer withdrawn and closed. They, should now consider this offer https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1315145504929218641 as their go-to. This has been a wonder discussion @jvaler. I thank you for it. ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Dec-24 09:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Fyi. I know my STL / FTL routing rather well. I just offered what I knew I could deliver on. Phobos is a no go for me, regarding a targeted-expansion plan. [07-Dec-24 09:30 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Lol i didnt wanna build on phobos either but i didnt have mats for anywhere else really that made any sense [07-Dec-24 09:30 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 It gave me mats for phobos and then 4 other not so useful planets so i picked phobos [07-Dec-24 09:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 @mephistopheles0242 how many days do you have in-game? [07-Dec-24 09:30 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A COLIQ is possible if you aren't too far in. [07-Dec-24 09:30 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 2 [07-Dec-24 09:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yeah it is possible... uhm... are you in UFO discord? [07-Dec-24 09:31 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 i did one right after readin the wiki and such and it only gave me enough mats for phobos and a few other really basic planets and not enough cash to purchase the required parts to set up anywhere else [07-Dec-24 09:31 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 i can do another tomorrow tho [07-Dec-24 09:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 we all started with that.... Does anyone here have a reference for cool-down timers on the COLIQ? [07-Dec-24 09:32 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 UFO discord? No [07-Dec-24 09:32 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 first is free second is after 3 days [07-Dec-24 09:32 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 so next time i can coliq is tomorrow [07-Dec-24 09:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, I'd recommend some further discussion on your future plans, now, tomorrow, through Monday? Anyone with ideas can 120% pitch in, btw. But the overall idea is that you dismantle everything, sell it at the CX, transfer the funds via contractual bond (xxxxxx AIC, for 1 DW, and then coliq..... get those funds transfered back to you + an ADI grant, and then you can do some work_ [07-Dec-24 09:35 PM] jvaler#0000 if we're going with the DW plan a COLIQ isn't really necessary. the only other planet that would be relevant to it is norwick for it's food industries CoGC, however unlike phobos it's distance *does* invoke logistic concerns [07-Dec-24 09:36 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Alright, im open to that for sure [07-Dec-24 09:36 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Hell, its what i wanted to do yesterday but alas, lack of money as most problems in life tend to be [07-Dec-24 09:36 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 On that note, what system and planet did you have in mind? [07-Dec-24 09:37 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Oh, Norwick you mentioned [07-Dec-24 09:37 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Let me find that [07-Dec-24 09:38 PM] jvaler#0000 > dismantle everything, sell it at the CX, transfer the funds via contractual bond (xxxxxx AIC, for 1 DW, and then coliq..... get those funds transfered back to you 99% sure this is against the game's terms of service lol [07-Dec-24 09:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 probably. [07-Dec-24 09:39 PM] evov#0000 Definitely. [07-Dec-24 09:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It is? well... we need a grind down a good plan for @mephistopheles0242 in the long term then... Each penny in the early-game, just compounds in earnings, the longer they stay in the game, making those profits. [07-Dec-24 09:40 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Well, the first question i suppose then is what does the community/galaxy really need? [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 "Everything" [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 right now? we really need DW price stabilization [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 That's the immediate itch you could scratch [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I joke at this... [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 https://tenor.com/view/writing-down-gif-23150900 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/writing-down-gif-23150900 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mZIPB8qHMnp2TaE6Ky6hZQKyXeR06ZgulLiEOmoItK0/https/media.tenor.com/aVPLucSHLHMAAAAe/writing-down.png [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 long term, like Roh said: everything [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 DW it is then [07-Dec-24 09:41 PM] tanda#0000 It's easier for us to tell you what not to do than what to do [07-Dec-24 09:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All i do, is RAT/DW/OVE, with heavy, like super heavy capital sinks in shipping, with long-term agreements with affiliates.. .It's why I'm at 22 permits, rather than with everyone's like 25+, regarding our relative company ages. [07-Dec-24 09:43 PM] evov#0000 The good news is - pretty much everything makes money. Some things just make it faster than others. At the start, look at things that have ... 1. Quick RoI's. 2. Low logistics requirements. 3. High volume/fast sales. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [07-Dec-24 09:44 PM] jvaler#0000 hm, DW checks 2/3 of those boxes but again, PSK can help with the logi [07-Dec-24 09:44 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Do'ly noted [07-Dec-24 09:44 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 PSK is WCBs? [07-Dec-24 09:45 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Seems both DW and fuels as a whole have lowish logistics requirements [07-Dec-24 09:45 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 So i could just add onto existing infrastructure [07-Dec-24 09:45 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 in fact one of the systems i was looking at for HE3 and H previously were rich in water [07-Dec-24 09:46 PM] jvaler#0000 correct [07-Dec-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, PSK is WCBs, not exactly perfect for this use case, but it's still doubling shipping throughput {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [07-Dec-24 09:46 PM] tanda#0000 and cheaper than trying to go for an LCB {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Dec-24 09:46 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Parden my noobishness, whats PSK and WCB? [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 im not immediately familiar with those [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 same thing... [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 PSK is a internal acronym for our inhouse shipkit project [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 just add a WCB to your current [ BLU ] starter ships. [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 ~~#psk-information~~ [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ [07-Dec-24 09:47 PM] tanda#0000 WCB is a material which gives your ships a 3k ton 1k m3 cargo bay after installation [07-Dec-24 09:48 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Ah i see [07-Dec-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 sorry, just realized that was the boring backend of the PSK project. Just know that it includes everything needed to do an upgrade from starter ship to the WCB with the addition of expanded fuel tanks and LHP conversion. jvaler offers in house financing for the whole amount as stated above [07-Dec-24 10:45 PM] jvaler#0000 in house financing... sounds so professional [07-Dec-24 10:47 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Yep [07-Dec-24 10:47 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Also, is there a limit,soft or otherwise to the ceiling on number of buildings? [07-Dec-24 10:47 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 or a logistics penalty for too much? [07-Dec-24 10:48 PM] jvaler#0000 all bases are limited by area, and each building takes up an amount of area specified in it's given `BUI` command [07-Dec-24 10:51 PM] jvaler#0000 permits are the overall limiting factor of the size of your operations, as they determine how much area you can have. to have a base requires 1 permit, which gives you 500 maximum area in that base. although only 475 of that area is functional, as 25 of it is taken up by the core module. you can also expand a base up to 2 times using permits, where each permit gives you an extra 250 maximum area. this is only recommended in specific circumstances as it is a less efficient permit to area ratio. [07-Dec-24 10:52 PM] jvaler#0000 to get more permits requires upgrading your HQ, which can be seen in the `HQ` command [07-Dec-24 10:52 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Does each base get its own set of permits, and does the HQ command increase permits on all bases or just the HQ base [07-Dec-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 your permits are a pool that are allocated to bases [07-Dec-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 so bases "consume" permits, in a way [07-Dec-24 10:53 PM] jvaler#0000 but permits can always be refunded by removing expansions or demolishing the base entirely [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Can multiple bases be built on a single planet? [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 they cannot [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 if you want more area on one planet you need to use expansions [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Well, theres the soft cap then [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 that makes sense [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Thank you [07-Dec-24 10:54 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [07-Dec-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 that's what gives people incentive to go out and colonize new planets [07-Dec-24 10:55 PM] jvaler#0000 for example i have 22 permits due to being HQ level 21, and 17 of them are put into me having 17 bases {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1315179998344122428/image.png?ex=6814f912&is=6813a792&hm=d30be4bcabc7329e7f6a5a4dfb06113250d5c29e4df914b1f3fbd306bfceee16& [07-Dec-24 10:55 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Speaking of which, i assume its possible to incorporate newly colonized systems in the AIC goverment? [07-Dec-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 interacting with the npc factions isn't really a thing in the game at the moment [07-Dec-24 10:56 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 If thats the case, how does the current political system work [07-Dec-24 10:56 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 roughly [07-Dec-24 10:56 PM] jvaler#0000 anything that could fall under a "government" umbrella is currently operated by players on a planet-by-planet basis [07-Dec-24 10:57 PM] jvaler#0000 each planet has their own elected government that manages tax rates, population infrastructure levels, workforce programs, and upkeep [07-Dec-24 10:57 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Makes sense [08-Dec-24 02:06 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 O_o Two hours spent in discussions with fam, regarding life stuff, takes a toll on one's soul... (But it's to be expected ... lol!). Anyways I'm out for like the next 12+ hours or so. Uhm... @mephistopheles0242 I'll post my reading suggestions in Discord code blocks down below... You're just 2 days in, so..... It's best to get up to speed, not in that you'll completely understand everything in Prun... rather that you'll be able to figure out what anyone is talking about, or referring to... I usually give out a 2 week allowance for such readings.... Prun in a long-term game... And most people will get their worth with playing with it/us for at least two years. ๐Ÿ™‚ [08-Dec-24 02:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ``` Read through these wiki sections/sites: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/current-tutorials/index.html https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/tutorials/legacy-tutorials/index.html https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/index.html Check out these fancy tools: https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/community-resources/index.html And ask your questions in here, and in-game, wherever on the COM button (it's a slow game, so don't expect immediate responses): https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855503086281949215 There's more to do, but you need your basics! ``` [08-Dec-24 02:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you've already purchased, or will be willing?, to purchase like a year or PRO subscriptions, it'll help in the decision making process for anyone involved, be it your, or staff in ADI... I'd recommend a few more days of hashing out, exactly with us or anyone, what you expect to gain, or experience within the overall Prosperous Universe community. ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Dec-24 02:48 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Well, i like building shit and colonizer/corp space sims are my fav. After less than 10 minutes tinkering with the UI i bought a pro sub [08-Dec-24 02:48 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Long term? Eh [08-Dec-24 02:49 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 The game is all about building a stable, profitable economy with others. I figure some or most of yall are corped up or at least specializing to some degree [08-Dec-24 02:49 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 I personally like the idea of building colonies and helping a small/medium ish group achieve self sustainability [08-Dec-24 02:49 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 if possible [08-Dec-24 02:50 AM] mephistopheles0242#0000 barring that, just build things, make money and hang out [08-Dec-24 05:58 AM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/backing-you-get-yours-danny-devito-danny-devito-gif-13052176 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/backing-you-get-yours-danny-devito-danny-devito-gif-13052176 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kQF1VKnZN0aya7VPg5mvdrOhQmTUVfSeWP1wjOJ7AXo/https/media.tenor.com/6Hixx4SFAeQAAAAe/backing-you-get-yours.png [08-Dec-24 04:33 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 https://tenor.com/view/vertek-vertek-dex-pebble-token-serene-token-vertek-mattador-gif-27492731 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/vertek-vertek-dex-pebble-token-serene-token-vertek-mattador-gif-27492731 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cAKDZoOs63-ezqmvr3oI0WQlWF2NxPaxFTsKE0ESMRU/https/media.tenor.com/uFuf4d1NawkAAAAe/vertek-vertek-dex.png [08-Dec-24 04:39 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Ive had some time to think, @finestone @scintillating_iridescence [08-Dec-24 04:39 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Ive been digging into the market and it seems carbon, gasses, and food products in general seem to be among the most desired in the region [08-Dec-24 04:40 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 So incinerators and chemistry [08-Dec-24 04:40 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 I get how the resource distro works, but how does fertile ground work? Its slider is wonky compared to the others [08-Dec-24 04:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It affects the efficiency of the Farm [08-Dec-24 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think harmonia is like 98% or do fertility [08-Dec-24 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Promitor is above 100% Iโ€™m pretty sure [08-Dec-24 04:43 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Ah i see [08-Dec-24 04:43 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 So middle of the bar is 100% and above is extra [08-Dec-24 04:49 PM] finestone#0000 Carbon and FP are both good starters [08-Dec-24 04:52 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Cool, ill get started on that then [08-Dec-24 04:53 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Most of it only needs water and fertile land so i can see why its noob friendly [08-Dec-24 04:53 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 Btw, coliq command will be available in 12 hours [08-Dec-24 04:53 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 if we wanna do that again im still open to the idea [08-Dec-24 08:10 PM] finestone#0000 Imo if you get the grant you wont need to as you can just go setup a base on the preferred planet [08-Dec-24 10:32 PM] mephistopheles0242#0000 fair [09-Dec-24 08:57 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You'll have to figure out something, and plop in a grant application + base plan @ #agp-operations. There's more info/tools/resources for you available @ #prun-resources. But me shoving 2+ years of experience/ideas from multiple people, into your head rn, isn't going to exactly help you out, as you'll have to find your own way in the game anyways. There's a huge learning curve in Prun, just like in Eve... But thankfully there's enough time in Prun, for you to explore the game on your own, do the maths/spreadsheets, and hammer out a long-term plan for yourself. [10-Dec-24 02:52 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't know what I'm looking at [10-Dec-24 02:52 AM] jvaler#0000 wait [10-Dec-24 02:52 AM] laaxus#0000 but congrats [10-Dec-24 02:52 AM] jvaler#0000 wrong screenshot [10-Dec-24 02:53 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm an idiot [10-Dec-24 09:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I donโ€™t know what we are looking at, either [10-Dec-24 09:40 AM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/nothing-jesse-suntele-savage-beauty-never-mind-it-was-nothing-gif-11834810461984277053 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/nothing-jesse-suntele-savage-beauty-never-mind-it-was-nothing-gif-11834810461984277053 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N622lPsKRANuz7FtH8xsz-RwqVwqv7KsVOuK6OwbrP4/https/media.tenor.com/pD2xaWKmQj0AAAAe/nothing-jesse-suntele.png [10-Dec-24 06:13 PM] avalock#0000 no you arenโ€™t [10-Dec-24 06:13 PM] avalock#0000 wruff [10-Dec-24 06:13 PM] avalock#0000 arf [10-Dec-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 wruff woof [10-Dec-24 06:14 PM] avalock#0000 :3 [10-Dec-24 08:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/dogsayhi-hi-hello-sup-sup-dog-gif-20587760 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/dogsayhi-hi-hello-sup-sup-dog-gif-20587760 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iewKO1tvFtpXcl8FVO1RshpGYd68--XBVSgCds5sgsQ/https/media.tenor.com/RytHIa5IocAAAAAe/dogsayhi-hi.png [10-Dec-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-5588811 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-5588811 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RBbrr0Vq7v3stBiQPS0QDCtMdUp9uTxqcKUYnC1hXLE/https/media.tenor.com/7ZBhdZ6HciMAAAAe/sleepy-sleepy-cat.png [10-Dec-24 08:19 PM] jvaler#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702596016322642030/1112023215531905135/FALSE.gif?ex=6814d552&is=681383d2&hm=f42ba5a75a49f2dd21dc3c72da06a1eb9585f12ccb530514c8b5a9d4fd8eae9d& [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sitting-kat-kat-cat-cat-sitting-sitting-cat-gif-20214955 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sitting-kat-kat-cat-cat-sitting-sitting-cat-gif-20214955 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s_IidXq5DF-iL8gXZ0ubkPN_ALeJLU_tNdN3urtcK7g/https/media.tenor.com/WDcsTjhUJtgAAAAe/sitting-kat-kat.png [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 I mean [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 uh [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 Wruff arf [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 Aha [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] jvaler#0000 meow [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 I'm just a dumb dog [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 :eavBark: [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 anyways, back to PoE 2 [10-Dec-24 08:21 PM] avalock#0000 :byee: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‹ (2) [10-Dec-24 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 samesies [11-Dec-24 09:13 AM] jvaler#0000 things are finally starting to happen {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1316422726675857458/image.png?ex=6814e133&is=68138fb3&hm=755456c4f4e69b3dbea0fdaef498e1d187c9e502ec57725e94c22af8bf56fb5f& [11-Dec-24 09:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐ŸŽ‰ [12-Dec-24 12:27 AM] jvaler#0000 damnit [12-Dec-24 12:27 AM] jvaler#0000 AR.AI1 is fucked [12-Dec-24 12:28 AM] jvaler#0000 right as i'm trying to drop 2 INS bases 1-3 weeks from now [12-Dec-24 12:30 AM] tanda#0000 I have 1,5 bases of oversupply on AR currently. Finest probably has similar [12-Dec-24 12:33 AM] jvaler#0000 would you be willing to sell it? :o [12-Dec-24 12:37 AM] tanda#0000 Yes, always. I think I'm well stocked for 3 weeks. I can promise supply in future, but I just dropped this base a few days ago [12-Dec-24 12:38 AM] jvaler#0000 i doubt it'll need to be permanent [12-Dec-24 12:39 AM] tanda#0000 That's fine, Kevin abides [12-Dec-24 12:44 AM] jvaler#0000 lolol [12-Dec-24 05:37 AM] finestone#0000 Send cons for 1121 AR 7 day delivery I will take it where you need it ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Dec-24 06:57 AM] cptboby#0000 Can someon translate this picture? ๐Ÿ˜… [12-Dec-24 07:00 AM] tanda#0000 Well, Thalassa B is a new base, not sure about the other 3 [12-Dec-24 08:02 AM] jvaler#0000 ships full of new base mats ๐Ÿ˜ผ [12-Dec-24 08:03 AM] jvaler#0000 i haven't expanded in like 8 months [12-Dec-24 08:05 AM] jvaler#0000 well, aside from that ISA base 2 months ago {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Dec-24 08:45 AM] jvaler#0000 woah ty [12-Dec-24 08:45 AM] jvaler#0000 what's the price? [12-Dec-24 08:46 AM] jvaler#0000 ~~AR is from kevin, right?~~ that's 30k AIC shipping minimum KI-401d... same thing =P [17-Dec-24 04:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 oof. FLX.AI1 is suffering [17-Dec-24 04:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 or more like, it's thriving, i'm suffering [17-Dec-24 04:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318520360370573342/image.png?ex=681499c6&is=68134846&hm=d7f1326890a48c921bcb20089208bf47c7258fd0f09e6693fae18967151ff165& [17-Dec-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm pretty sure someone has a small stock of flx he is ready to sell to adi member {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [17-Dec-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 on deimos [17-Dec-24 04:10 AM] laaxus#0000 can' remember who tho [17-Dec-24 04:19 AM] evov#0000 I feel like out of all the CX's, ANT responded the best to the supply shortage. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318522853389504552/image.png?ex=68149c19&is=68134a99&hm=f3dc4485dc0862dd98a382e1ed7acbd8956c8835394c88d3948e01c290a64c3e& [17-Dec-24 04:22 AM] realharvey#0000 ANT is best. No big suprise {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† DancyCat [17-Dec-24 05:48 AM] zillatron#0000 I've been posting on the Deimos LM, but i'll have some stock in ANT again tomorrow [17-Dec-24 07:28 AM] tanda#0000 Largely because you bought out MOR as a response and shipped it here, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [17-Dec-24 07:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Sounds like a skill issue from MOR {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [17-Dec-24 09:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Hmm, Bumble-Bro is probably feeling the #heat from the market response, and they're now -1 / (3 Sig Fig) re-listing to retain as much capital gains as possible, from sales turnover. I've seen this before, and they could potentially keep doing this, unless local production outstrips their purchase activity - turnover metrics. It's the only way to beat this sort of abuse, per maths. ADI could always sponsor an ~~Off~~ ON-COGC, LST --> FLX base @ ~~Nike~~ whatever's around, for a really new bro or something. I don't think there's a good LST deposit on a CHM COGC around us, but it's whatever. It's a good case study! ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318595378005807144/Screenshot_from_2024-12-17_09-00-11.png?ex=6814dfa4&is=68138e24&hm=28841c4b97862bfabb0d10df8984363f49565d4a45273ca42ff61ec341bd5102& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318595386469781524/Screenshot_from_2024-12-17_09-02-41.png?ex=6814dfa6&is=68138e26&hm=718f495e80827c3ae208a4a273da4e278bf26411fc40fc39e04af79853c8c236& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318595386939539557/Screenshot_from_2024-12-17_09-03-29.png?ex=6814dfa6&is=68138e26&hm=aff2dc6c3dd3613460cf5f809227fdd6e635ecd5d3a398cc280ecd252082f6dc& [17-Dec-24 01:59 PM] evov#0000 I suspect there's plenty of production capacity out there. FLX has just been way too cheap for way too long. It needs to be over the 260/u mark to make sense imo. And MOR isn't just suffering because I bought out their FLX .... it's because I bought it out AND shipped it to ANT ๐Ÿ™‚ [17-Dec-24 02:01 PM] evov#0000 Which - was only possible because someone gave a heads up here about the flx issue. -Just pointing out the collective benefit to having an Antare's market watch channel so people can ring the alarm bells when we're under attack. [17-Dec-24 02:10 PM] realharvey#0000 I dont think we need another channel for that [17-Dec-24 02:10 PM] realharvey#0000 People talk about such things on all channels which will eventually reach enough [17-Dec-24 02:12 PM] tanda#0000 There is a distressing number of channels on this server already, lol. Maybe better a @marketwatch role that could get tagged {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [17-Dec-24 02:22 PM] finestone#0000 Make marketwatch role just like planets so they can sign themselves up [17-Dec-24 03:16 PM] jcheung#0000 > distressing number of channels ....there's this one server i'm in that the owner keeps adding channels to for every little thing, then adds another channel for leadership they hit discord's channel limit ๐Ÿ˜… this server is peaceful in comparison [17-Dec-24 03:41 PM] tanda#0000 This server is well organized but there's like 15+ channels here for me to keep track of, lol [17-Dec-24 04:21 PM] jcheung#0000 could probably merge member/associate tbh [17-Dec-24 04:21 PM] jcheung#0000 but that's above me pay grade ๐Ÿ˜„ [17-Dec-24 04:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s my secret land [17-Dec-24 04:21 PM] jvaler#0000 hm that's probably a better idea. role without channel so that conversations relating to the notices don't need to be channel policed. cause if i make a market alert channel people will want to discuss it in the same channel [17-Dec-24 04:22 PM] jcheung#0000 > want to discuss it in the same channe slowmode 3 hrs [17-Dec-24 04:22 PM] jvaler#0000 already have the role just need to add it to the reaction role message [17-Dec-24 04:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i hate that tho... sometimes you delete your own message and realize you want to post again [17-Dec-24 04:23 PM] jvaler#0000 they've got basically the same perms, it just helps distinguish between non-ADI partners and actual antarians [17-Dec-24 04:23 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~won't impact you, moderators override slowmode~~ [17-Dec-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 lolol [17-Dec-24 04:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think he meant the channels ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Dec-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 OH [17-Dec-24 04:24 PM] jvaler#0000 i thought i asked that before and people didn't want to? but maybe i'm misremembering [17-Dec-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Where else am I gonna post super deals for antarians [17-Dec-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not in associate! [17-Dec-24 04:25 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao [17-Dec-24 04:30 PM] roche3950#0000 Needless stratification [17-Dec-24 04:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Uhm... I think you staff are doing a good job on the server stuff. But some more neatness is kinda necessary. Multiple message postings of the same topic, over multiple channels gets nothing... When channel threads, or just DMs do the same work. [17-Dec-24 04:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 What was I in here for? ahh yes... [17-Dec-24 04:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 threads diappear when inactive, and they're usually hidden... [17-Dec-24 04:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 lolz [17-Dec-24 04:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I kinda like the "market watch" suggestion... But I'm usually more favourable towards systemic and cyclic relationships, rather than "spot fixes". To cut the chatter as much as possible... Which industries, or end products, would you recommend Antareans to consider, for the best fluidity/interchange of CX-based commerce? So most impact, least exchange'd stuff like FLX.AI1, as the most recent example? Everything, or anything, is not a valid suggestion, in this inquiry. ๐Ÿ˜› [17-Dec-24 04:56 PM] jvaler#0000 production takes quite a while to spool up. market alerts would just allow those with existing unlisted stock to take advantage of immediate shortage situations, which benefits everyone. [17-Dec-24 05:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a fair concern... But then again it's an idling game.. so time flies by really fast. If I was an un-discerning party, with about ~30 mil+ of AIC to dump into markets, could I then keep re-buying, and re-listing the ASK-stocks, at a higher rate, at some weekly interval? ... *There's no price ceiling for most items...* If so, at an even distribution of not only information, but also capital.. Then there's a 50/50 % chance of either my my #war-chest breaking... or say ANT's weekly export's-to-market breaking.. Who wins? How do we know beforehand? What's the best strategy for this sort of #siege-situation? XD [17-Dec-24 05:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ It's just "ideas". If Evov want's to #wargame.. yeah I'm totally gonna dig this, lol. Else, idc. [17-Dec-24 05:54 PM] tanda#0000 I do think there needs to be a non-public channel for members to talk in. Specifically when it comes to market manipulation, we have a very open door policy so I'm pretty sure a good chunk of actually active players are or have been in this server at some point {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Dec-24 05:55 PM] tanda#0000 and if we're discussing how to blunt attacks like that, I'd rather not have those read by anybody who just joined the airlock [17-Dec-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 could just make a ""warfare"" channel if that's all that's needed [17-Dec-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 still better than splitting general chatter between #associate-office and #member-general [17-Dec-24 06:05 PM] jvaler#0000 as well as trades [17-Dec-24 06:06 PM] tanda#0000 that is a fair statement, and yeah we definitely don't need two trading channels. And Member-general goes like 1-2 weeks without activity sometimes [17-Dec-24 06:13 PM] tanda#0000 I'm thinking about tying up Harmonia and Nascent and using those permits elsewhere [17-Dec-24 06:14 PM] jvaler#0000 could be worth it, harmonia really drags down the profit/d of that pair [17-Dec-24 06:14 PM] jvaler#0000 the short ROI period is all it really has going for it [17-Dec-24 06:14 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 We could do a more... longer form, of say a "strategy" channel... Less short "burst" comments, and more general, more experienced, more nuanced approaches of what's possible in the next 6+ months of what's happening. That's it from me. I've seen academics re-write a given idea.. into suitable publications for different audiences.. Maybe a more structured, but "open" approach is what we've all aiming for. [17-Dec-24 06:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Y'all know what sort of audience you can get, when you trigger everyone in #associate-offtopic, after all? [17-Dec-24 06:15 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 All the audience... lol. [17-Dec-24 06:16 PM] jvaler#0000 > We could do a more... longer form, of say a "strategy" channel... Less short "burst" comments, and more general, more experienced, more nuanced approaches of what's possible in the next 6+ months of what's happening. i'm not sure there's a demand for organized inter-faction ""warfare"" right now. it's really just for the memes at the moment as far as i can tell > I've seen academics re-write a given idea.. into suitable publications for different audiences.. Maybe a more structured, but "open" approach is what we've all aiming for. not sure what this is in the context of [17-Dec-24 06:17 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, it was a good early expansion for me, but it's been there nearly a year now and is just... there. Carbon is stable (for now), and that permit could be used better elsewhere I feel. Actually leaning towards maybe winding down Thalassa too, but I spent so long trying to expand there it doesn't feel worth it [17-Dec-24 06:18 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah, just take a given statement of "yeah I'm gonna say this, and that"... You can restructure it to suit, or seek, a given feedback.. Either 1-2 sentences... 3-5 sentences, or 1-2 paragraphs, depending on scope.. I'm not sure if this is sort of approach is warranted though.. Just a suggestion from what I've seen. [17-Dec-24 06:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Lots of mix & match. [17-Dec-24 06:21 PM] jvaler#0000 what i've decided to do with harmonia+nascent is turn harmonia into more HER prod and then have nascent just run off single input HCP from thalassa b. though it does look like C prod is pretty weak rn :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318734783299325992/image.png?ex=6814b8b9&is=68136739&hm=234e3ebcd75149553e8ba883db4728d873e187416413260b2d3604e91f055122& [17-Dec-24 06:22 PM] jvaler#0000 HER is popping though {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318735057892020304/image.png?ex=6814b8fa&is=6813677a&hm=61b1ae18c83f515840e528f7c17fbfb224c8dc0e0725e6beee05cef9feb73d0e& [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] tanda#0000 I'm thinking single burn C is probably the way to go with that planet, but I don't use HER. Is that solid on the market? [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I've floated around ideas.. Consider a 5 HYF (HCP) + a 25 INC (HCP) facility, on Nascent? Good or bad? [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] tanda#0000 If it works, it wouldn't be bad. [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 You get to cut out so muc shipping. [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] tanda#0000 thanks for the idea, I'll plug it in [17-Dec-24 06:23 PM] jvaler#0000 no idea... never tried. i turn it all into KOM lol [17-Dec-24 06:24 PM] jvaler#0000 5 HYF fits in the space of 5 INC? interesting [17-Dec-24 06:25 PM] jvaler#0000 but it doesn't sound great in the current C market... [17-Dec-24 06:26 PM] tanda#0000 5 RE expert 1 AG {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318736128492310639/image.png?ex=6814b9f9&is=68136879&hm=6e2494e2f47031a2b83268b322ef564a44240efda56849eca6626ff769a8f160& [17-Dec-24 06:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The C market, overall, is generally a bad idea.. Huge shipping I/Os.. Low margins... You're better off running DW, or CL, or whatever process that gets you reasonable returns, around ~70k daily profits, at reasonable commodity --> liquidity means... Everything else is just a ponzi scheme, imo. [17-Dec-24 06:26 PM] moke.#0000 Better off using the C yourself. I'm back to stockpiling over selling. [17-Dec-24 06:27 PM] moke.#0000 Not that I export much anymore [17-Dec-24 06:27 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I'm at a similar point [17-Dec-24 06:27 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318736362026958878/image.png?ex=6814ba31&is=681368b1&hm=3a87fe887122af7a8914e08b55782b6853510393eb961333d268b39142b00b0a& [17-Dec-24 06:27 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ not-liquid lol [17-Dec-24 06:28 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, the market's annoying right now. Sometimes I can liquidate 1k pretty easy and then other times it takes a few days [17-Dec-24 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i guess i'm gonna join your boat pretty soon lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318737168751132723/image.png?ex=6814baf1&is=68136971&hm=54aaf491172ccfbcd8e84f2ebde86e26b7004812712c17517ac965bb92f526a3& [17-Dec-24 06:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Looks like a Prunplanner thing. [17-Dec-24 06:31 PM] jvaler#0000 it is [17-Dec-24 06:31 PM] moke.#0000 You know, I heard if you buy up the market to where it's about 900-1k each... [17-Dec-24 06:31 PM] tanda#0000 lol! you get people to up production? That's why we're here [17-Dec-24 06:31 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I tried it.... Took me like 10 minutes just to buffer in some basic #base figures... [17-Dec-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah just gotta let the market run it's course [17-Dec-24 06:32 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I have no idea what's up with that cloud servive. [17-Dec-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 thankfully C prod is flexible due to variable input count recipes [17-Dec-24 06:32 PM] tanda#0000 and I mean you could try? But allocater said no {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1318737660637872168/image.png?ex=6814bb67&is=681369e7&hm=7c16dff80984383de870e852695bf6c251a67ce5f0eca6ecad93f7299b597392& [17-Dec-24 06:32 PM] jvaler#0000 was it down or something? that's unusual [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] tanda#0000 oh, Scorpio just pushed a new update, right? [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] tanda#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/816625580610027520/1318513428650004561 [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 basically adds archiel's gov calculator sheet into prunplanner [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It was always like that for me.. So much lag.. It's why I stick to (local) Prunner pics... I can fab up a base design in 30 seconds in Prunner... 10 minutes in Prunplanner... [17-Dec-24 06:33 PM] moke.#0000 But that takes time, and people get impatient on buy orders [17-Dec-24 06:34 PM] jvaler#0000 could it be an internet issue? most other people don't have 10min load times [17-Dec-24 06:34 PM] tanda#0000 If one could convince allocater to pull those asks, buying out the market would be super cheap. There's very little between 800-710 except his asks [17-Dec-24 06:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I have gigabit internet, and I keep my computer loads down when I try out new things. [17-Dec-24 06:35 PM] tanda#0000 idk, once I'm on the sheet, it's around 1 minute and that's probably because I'm slow [17-Dec-24 06:35 PM] jvaler#0000 weird... [17-Dec-24 06:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Don't worry... I have issue with the coding (python3 i think?).... Let that dev make it C++... and I'll have no issues, lol. [17-Dec-24 06:36 PM] jvaler#0000 lmao okay [17-Dec-24 06:45 PM] jcheung#0000 In fairness, "member" role is about as much of a barrier as wet tissue paper [17-Dec-24 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 ehh [17-Dec-24 06:46 PM] jvaler#0000 for someone from another faction they'd have to go out of their way to make an antares base [17-Dec-24 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 for any safety precaution we can think up, there's a way to circumvent it [17-Dec-24 09:14 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Many people have antares bases. 1 base in antares is no big deal ๐Ÿ™‚ Even I had 1 base here for a long time (its quite central to my operation though, has 3 permitd and requires 3 support bases ๐Ÿ˜…) [17-Dec-24 09:15 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Okay now that i said it, i feel like i have significant amounts of money in antares {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ถ [19-Dec-24 08:57 PM] finestone#0000 Multi Permit :fear: [19-Dec-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1319500731606372414/image.png?ex=6814df11&is=68138d91&hm=2955f11e76197b0d57258a2c94aa495ba8c66a9b56897ea7788df71a822b8e78& [19-Dec-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 It's fine. [19-Dec-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 Probably [19-Dec-24 10:23 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ree-reeeee-duck-gif-15312912 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ree-reeeee-duck-gif-15312912 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/i37dyKRDAGnIg2Z6-BCHW57faK0Nakhc7lrdEIcCWwE/https/media.tenor.com/zk5x8TpxbPAAAAAe/ree-reeeee.png [20-Dec-24 01:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There is only one Halcyon [20-Dec-24 02:57 AM] avalock#0000 So true {Reactions} givelove [29-Dec-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 Alright, I've got a free permit and 2 months before any other plans go into action {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1323013220511776778/image.png?ex=68147754&is=681325d4&hm=c344b8dbd96e08c04d08f15f7c22ef4c425b096aaba12a178d753dd399d13147& [29-Dec-24 01:42 PM] tanda#0000 Time to take my own advice [29-Dec-24 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I can't do anything because I'm lacking a ship [29-Dec-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm perpetually rushing to resupply my bases [29-Dec-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-gif-24110282 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-gif-24110282 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NTYMh7nCuZEbhrdkxfa7RbXm-AmWJEV5UvEw7Jklt3E/https/media.tenor.com/_zVIdn3Ok_cAAAAe/cat-scream.png [29-Dec-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 My ship should arrive any day now [29-Dec-24 01:44 PM] tanda#0000 I just finally kinda caught up [29-Dec-24 01:44 PM] tanda#0000 but I'm tired of paying 117/unit of DW [29-Dec-24 01:52 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, stop justifying spending that permit sir ! [29-Dec-24 01:53 PM] tanda#0000 oh man it was a whole process [29-Dec-24 01:53 PM] tanda#0000 but 1) I'm planning on dropping a permit on Phobos in 2 months and 2) This base will pay itself off in a week [29-Dec-24 01:54 PM] tanda#0000 and the only thing I had to buy was BDE [29-Dec-24 01:56 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl......... you're still selling it to yourself ! You don't answer to me ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Jan-25 09:23 AM] brelov#0000 once I can get myself set up proper in Thalassa I could start selling DW. If it's profitable [02-Jan-25 07:23 AM] o.pie#0000 Hello, Whales ๐Ÿณ [02-Jan-25 07:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Hello [02-Jan-25 07:23 AM] o.pie#0000 My DW base on Phobos is up and running at 100% efficiency {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [02-Jan-25 07:23 AM] tanda#0000 excellent! [02-Jan-25 07:24 AM] o.pie#0000 thanks to the generous financial support of the Antares Grant Initiative [02-Jan-25 07:24 AM] o.pie#0000 program* [02-Jan-25 07:25 AM] o.pie#0000 Here are the plans for my next base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/3e910e66-304e-4047-b890-9948ae0fbf99 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3e910e66-304e-4047-b890-9948ae0fbf99 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [02-Jan-25 07:25 AM] o.pie#0000 Does this look like a good idea? [02-Jan-25 07:26 AM] o.pie#0000 It is 500 area but that can be doubled in time. [02-Jan-25 07:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I do not recommend multi permit [02-Jan-25 07:27 AM] laaxus#0000 also, I would avoid WPL [02-Jan-25 07:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I would either make it 20 bmp or 10 BMP 10 PPF [02-Jan-25 07:28 AM] o.pie#0000 I could just do 20 bmp [02-Jan-25 07:28 AM] tanda#0000 I'm definitely on the fence for WPL as well, I don't think I would do 5 for sure [02-Jan-25 07:28 AM] o.pie#0000 what would i make with a ppf that i could reliably sell [02-Jan-25 07:29 AM] tanda#0000 I was actually literally looking at dropping 2 WPL for NL only on Heph myself, but that's just for self consumption [02-Jan-25 07:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Fire (I think ?) regularly buy a ton of PSM, but just never put any bid [02-Jan-25 07:30 AM] o.pie#0000 alright [02-Jan-25 07:30 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend going BMP tho [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 because, even if bmp sometimes don't have ton of profit, you'll always be able to sell your production [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 which is not the case with PPF [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm currently trying to create stock on the market so that people rely on it more [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] o.pie#0000 I will do that. [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] o.pie#0000 Which brings me to my next question: would anyone care to invest in this venture? [02-Jan-25 07:31 AM] o.pie#0000 If not I can wait two weeks for the DW to sell [02-Jan-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 If you want to speed up your gameplay, you can take a loan [02-Jan-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 either lowstrife or jvaler [02-Jan-25 07:33 AM] o.pie#0000 Thank you. I will contact one of them. [02-Jan-25 07:53 AM] o.pie#0000 By the way, how expensive is a non-ftl ship. I may need to build one in the near future to haul all of this H2O to and from the CX. [02-Jan-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 you should not build a new ship [02-Jan-25 07:55 AM] laaxus#0000 you should upgrade your starting ones [02-Jan-25 07:55 AM] o.pie#0000 oh [02-Jan-25 07:55 AM] o.pie#0000 we can do that now [02-Jan-25 07:56 AM] laaxus#0000 using either schaitr deal on the UFO, or using the ADI ship kit, see #psk-information [02-Jan-25 07:59 AM] jcheung#0000 h2o benefits from a LCB [02-Jan-25 07:59 AM] jcheung#0000 so if that's a very major bottleneck, then you should consider building new, but otherwise a WCB upgrade will get you double the water hauled [02-Jan-25 08:00 AM] jcheung#0000 and then up to 6x for stuff like rocks and metals-i don't know what your primary movement is [02-Jan-25 08:00 AM] o.pie#0000 i'm going to be hauling H2O to my DW base on phobos and C to my BMP base on Hephaestus [02-Jan-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 C benefits from WCB [02-Jan-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 a lot [02-Jan-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 222 > 1000 [02-Jan-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 per trip [02-Jan-25 08:10 AM] o.pie#0000 ok [02-Jan-25 08:12 AM] o.pie#0000 And last question of the day: https://prunplanner.org/shared/0b59e8b5-b02b-4107-bbef-9d02d91a2156 does this plan look sound. I want to make basic prefabs on Nike. Is it right to use a PP2 to make BSE and BBH? FE seems to be in short supply on the CX compared to AL. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/0b59e8b5-b02b-4107-bbef-9d02d91a2156 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [02-Jan-25 08:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Why do you want to make bfabs ? [02-Jan-25 08:13 AM] o.pie#0000 i remember needing a lot of them to upgrade my permit level and just to build stuff in general [02-Jan-25 08:13 AM] o.pie#0000 or should I just buy them? [02-Jan-25 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 you're not accounting for opportunity cost [02-Jan-25 08:14 AM] o.pie#0000 oh... i should just spam more DW bases then? [02-Jan-25 08:14 AM] laaxus#0000 it's better to earn 15k and buy bfabs for 10k than building bfabs for 8k [02-Jan-25 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 in an optic of growing your wealth as fast as possible, you should always maximise return on investment [02-Jan-25 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 investment should account for the permit as well as the shipping [02-Jan-25 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 and the potential risk, but it's harder to quantify [02-Jan-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 as for DW [02-Jan-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 you could make another DW base on norwick [02-Jan-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 but I would not recommend making many more [02-Jan-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 start diversifying your production [02-Jan-25 08:18 AM] laaxus#0000 here's a few potential base you can look into {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1324381305164533800/image.png?ex=6814d434&is=681382b4&hm=381271c5026f41a6d845565b4d14ee1c8021b4c00df7d02a034cf58af1c59423& [02-Jan-25 08:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't tell you which one is best, as it depends on your values [02-Jan-25 08:18 AM] laaxus#0000 some people prefer low risk mid reward [02-Jan-25 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 other prefer high risk high reward [02-Jan-25 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 it's up to you [02-Jan-25 08:26 AM] jcheung#0000 generally speaking, BDE is the only bfab worth making in pp1 [02-Jan-25 08:28 AM] jcheung#0000 not because of 'short supply', but more because FE is a PITA to haul [02-Jan-25 08:29 AM] jcheung#0000 honestly it's not a bad plan [02-Jan-25 08:29 AM] o.pie#0000 so people just buy BSE from the market maker or what [02-Jan-25 08:30 AM] jcheung#0000 a fair amount of bfabs, yeah [02-Jan-25 08:30 AM] o.pie#0000 well that's lame [02-Jan-25 08:30 AM] o.pie#0000 lol [02-Jan-25 08:31 AM] jcheung#0000 but your plan really isn't that bad [02-Jan-25 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah bfabs, I only buy from the market, which is mostly market makers [02-Jan-25 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 it's probably a little heavy on shipping for your third base with only starters, but probably very doable [02-Jan-25 08:35 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm guessing you went heavier on BSE because it's less AL consumption? [02-Jan-25 08:35 AM] o.pie#0000 well just because i figured that was about the ratio i'd need them in for building stuff [02-Jan-25 08:36 AM] jcheung#0000 guess that depends on what you're building [02-Jan-25 09:06 AM] jvaler#0000 very pray to molp that the bfab MMs get raised [02-Jan-25 09:09 AM] o.pie#0000 i applied for a 1M AIC loan to the bank of lowstrife [02-Jan-25 09:09 AM] o.pie#0000 btw [02-Jan-25 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 he's a good guy [02-Jan-25 09:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 If you gonna go CL route on Elon (which is more of PG planet) I have HAL extraction on Halcyon [02-Jan-25 09:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 CL is pretty expensive and with 300/u HAL is better than market rate [02-Jan-25 09:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 To be fair I havenโ€™t checked prices in a while ( I am on vacation) ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Jan-25 09:54 AM] roche3950#0000 CL midprice is still around 4-4.2k [04-Jan-25 05:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 Question: What is a good resource to trade back in forth in ANT? Like, I want to day trade and/or invest in some resource in this game, just don't know what has a good fluctuation to do so? [04-Jan-25 07:31 PM] jcheung#0000 AL, C, RAT, DW, MCG? Problem is that to make it worth it you have to make it worth it, you need a few mil {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [05-Jan-25 01:34 AM] laaxus#0000 The single best one is mcg [05-Jan-25 01:35 AM] laaxus#0000 However, it still gives you less money than if you invested the capital into a base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 12:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 i forget. are new 2k/2k ships around 3 mil or 6 mil? [07-Jan-25 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 More like 6 [07-Jan-25 12:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 dam [07-Jan-25 12:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok [07-Jan-25 12:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 who currently supplies them? [07-Jan-25 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh Evov and Rise are notable ones here in Antares {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 12:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 rise also does loan iirc, right? [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah probably [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] antisyntax#0000 because i have 3m/6m [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 His arenโ€™t as expensive [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But his wait times are longer [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] antisyntax#0000 we talkin' days, weeks, months, seasons, years? [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [07-Jan-25 12:10 AM] antisyntax#0000 lol [07-Jan-25 12:11 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ask what the current wait is [07-Jan-25 12:11 AM] antisyntax#0000 @riseoffilth you got any 2k/2k ships? What's your queue wait time? How much are you charging? Thx ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Jan-25 12:16 AM] riseoffilth#0000 3-4 weeks [07-Jan-25 12:16 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s like 4mil and change [07-Jan-25 12:17 AM] antisyntax#0000 Oh thats a lot cheaper than I thought. I'll hit you up on that. I'll have the cash soon (within a week i believe) as im at 3.7m. Can you add me to the queue now, or do I have to pay first? I just need 1x 2k/2k ship [07-Jan-25 12:18 AM] antisyntax#0000 If you want I can put down a deposit to join the waitlist [07-Jan-25 10:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 can you assign more than 3 permits to one base? [07-Jan-25 10:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™€๏ธ [07-Jan-25 10:53 AM] antisyntax#0000 dang. that makes it interesting [07-Jan-25 10:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [07-Jan-25 10:54 AM] antisyntax#0000 and you can't have more than one base on a single planet, right? [07-Jan-25 10:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [07-Jan-25 10:54 AM] antisyntax#0000 oww [07-Jan-25 10:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not that multipermit bases are the most economically sound thing to do with your permits either [07-Jan-25 10:55 AM] antisyntax#0000 true [07-Jan-25 10:57 AM] antisyntax#0000 so like, is this a good Nike plan? it uses 500/500 area. 5x HBBs, 2x STOs 15x PP2s, cycling between 1x of BSE, BTA, BBH, and BDE. Bring AL from Deimos base. Buy LST from Nike LM Buy PG and GL from ANT [07-Jan-25 10:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1326233428257013851/image.png?ex=6814f9a1&is=6813a821&hm=c8d2fd1754501fb4774ea56e19d49efc8222851826361988d8a33034639396b4& [07-Jan-25 10:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 my profits are off in prunplanner because its assuming in buying AL not supplying it from Deimos [07-Jan-25 10:58 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [07-Jan-25 10:58 AM] antisyntax#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1326233623623634994/image.png?ex=6814f9d0&is=6813a850&hm=120ff396e555b59092869d5107c31639aab7e4f87a0038b9b33c2f1a12e05f89& [07-Jan-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would make less BTA and is PG actually profitable to buy now to turn into BDE? [07-Jan-25 10:59 AM] antisyntax#0000 PG is 47 a pop rn [07-Jan-25 10:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But building wise itโ€™s a great plan {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 11:00 AM] antisyntax#0000 i make more money cutting out BDE and BTAs [07-Jan-25 11:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup [07-Jan-25 11:01 AM] antisyntax#0000 make even more just soley making BBHs [07-Jan-25 11:01 AM] antisyntax#0000 by almost 30k [07-Jan-25 11:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 That one is up to you [07-Jan-25 11:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 BSE and BBH are usually pressed at the MM [07-Jan-25 11:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 At that point thoโ€ฆ [07-Jan-25 11:02 AM] igfloz#0000 a good BBH base should churn out about 675 BBH / week I think ? [07-Jan-25 11:02 AM] igfloz#0000 ...sorry, I haven't looked at your plan - just from my own experiences [07-Jan-25 11:02 AM] antisyntax#0000 sounds about right. w/ 5x experts, its showing 96.3 BBH/day [07-Jan-25 11:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 The plan is pretty standard as PP2 bases go [07-Jan-25 11:03 AM] igfloz#0000 rgr - It's probably identical to my own Nike base [07-Jan-25 11:04 AM] igfloz#0000 Heh, yup it's identical to mine [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 hm... so do i solely produce BBH or produce BSEs too. i make more money just doing BBH, but like, it requires a decent chunk of AL shipping, and if BBH alue plummets then im screwed [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] igfloz#0000 just be aware, LST is a space hog ! [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 more than AL? [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] igfloz#0000 yup [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok then ill just soley do BBHs then [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 if i make more money, and it requires less AL:LST ratio [07-Jan-25 11:05 AM] antisyntax#0000 1:2 instead of 2:1 [07-Jan-25 11:06 AM] igfloz#0000 I should correct - it's 2.73t/u more of a weight hog, not space [07-Jan-25 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 STOs are equal 5k/5k right? [07-Jan-25 11:06 AM] igfloz#0000 yeah, you end up with 11.500 with the base storage included [07-Jan-25 11:06 AM] antisyntax#0000 although i won't be able to run this base at full speed [07-Jan-25 11:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 it requiers 193AL/day, and i only produce 163 [07-Jan-25 11:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 though tbh my deimos base is at like 78% building condition [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh and BTW the profitable margine for BDE is PG under 39/u [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah. yeah its 47 i think rn [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok. ill be a bulk bbh producer then ig [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 you should get the missing al from the cx {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] realharvey#0000 you dont want to have your base idle at any time [07-Jan-25 11:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 ok [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 just feels weird buying something i produce [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] igfloz#0000 have you seen the messages about DNPC ? [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] antisyntax#0000 dnpc? [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Deimos Nike production coop in Aluminum Alliance discord [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] igfloz#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1293695249679650931/1312883235906392148 [07-Jan-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 They make BBH and BSE in bulk [07-Jan-25 11:10 AM] antisyntax#0000 i do now [07-Jan-25 11:10 AM] antisyntax#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Jan-25 11:10 AM] igfloz#0000 I'm a BBH producer in there [07-Jan-25 11:10 AM] igfloz#0000 you should hit up @flor2081 [07-Jan-25 11:11 AM] antisyntax#0000 i hope this doesn't' come across as rude, but... why should i be interested in DNPC? Do they offer loans or better prices or something? [07-Jan-25 11:12 AM] antisyntax#0000 seems like another project to over-complicate an already complicated game lol [07-Jan-25 11:12 AM] igfloz#0000 as a group we combine efforts to produce BBH / BSE - and we get paid in BBH / BSE. It's more of an effort to keep market even I guess [07-Jan-25 11:13 AM] igfloz#0000 ...and yes they could finance your base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 11:13 AM] realharvey#0000 If you are new you get the Basematerials as a "loan". But you are not expected to pay them back anytime soon. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 11:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 so they just give more of what im already making? Is that to just turn around and sell for more profit or... [07-Jan-25 11:13 AM] antisyntax#0000 i don't understand that sorry [07-Jan-25 11:13 AM] realharvey#0000 the projects produce everything that is required and therefore offer maximum margin out of the products and you are less market reliant {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 its a vertically integrated project [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] igfloz#0000 your AL and LST is provided to you [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 so for example 6 people are involved [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 4 people are actually producing [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] realharvey#0000 and all Endproducts are distributed between 6 people [07-Jan-25 11:14 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah [07-Jan-25 11:15 AM] realharvey#0000 all input products are exchanged for 1AIC inbetween [07-Jan-25 11:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 tbh i don't really take part in the internal marketplace mainly because i don't have that much time to play PRUN, and sometimes i go days without playing, so i'm kinda unreliable when it comes to CONTS [07-Jan-25 11:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 i don't want to default on any contracts because im busy [07-Jan-25 11:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 so i just sell to ANT whenever i have time because its instant [07-Jan-25 11:16 AM] antisyntax#0000 and it keeps it simple [07-Jan-25 11:16 AM] realharvey#0000 as long as you play like 3-4 times a week it should be no issue [07-Jan-25 11:16 AM] realharvey#0000 but if you want to keep hassle at a minimum [07-Jan-25 11:16 AM] realharvey#0000 DNPC might not be optimal for you [07-Jan-25 11:16 AM] antisyntax#0000 honestly i want to play more and be more involved in the community but like... sometimes i get home from work at 2am lol [07-Jan-25 11:17 AM] antisyntax#0000 but i'll keep DNPC in mind [07-Jan-25 11:18 AM] igfloz#0000 Thanks @realharvey - explained it better than I could ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Jan-25 11:19 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh speaking of being busy, that reminds me, classes started yesterday lol [07-Jan-25 11:19 AM] realharvey#0000 no problem. :) I was part onf DNPC aswell and am a Senior Member of Aluminium Alliance {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Jan-25 12:09 AM] finestone#0000 its does feel weird sometimes but usually the opportunity cost is worth it def don't want a base not running {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] wikifeia#0000 When should I plan to start upgrading my starter ships to WCBs? [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like 3rd to 4th base? [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] wikifeia#0000 And from WCBs to standards? [11-Jan-25 04:38 PM] jcheung#0000 standards? [11-Jan-25 04:39 PM] jcheung#0000 generally WCB upgrade should be done when your shipping starts to get saturated [11-Jan-25 04:39 PM] wikifeia#0000 Understood, thank you. Roughly how many ships are suggested to be maintained relative to number of bases? [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It depends on what your bases are [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 it depends on your shipping demand and distance [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] wikifeia#0000 I read on one of the oog pages that thereโ€™s another size up from WCBs [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 there isn't [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh kinda [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 there's 3 categories [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There is a LCB [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or a VCB [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 WCB, LCB and VCB [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 they specialize [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But those will be new ships [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] jcheung#0000 they aren't upgrades [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [11-Jan-25 04:40 PM] wikifeia#0000 Gotcha, are these ship designs posted anywhere? [11-Jan-25 04:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh kinda [11-Jan-25 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 WCB is weight specialized, LCB is balanced like your starter, but 4x larger, VCB (least used) is volume specialized {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Jan-25 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1203083429676191765/1203083429676191765 [11-Jan-25 04:41 PM] wikifeia#0000 And out of curiosity, why donโ€™t wealthy players just stack every possible upgrade on their ships? [11-Jan-25 04:41 PM] wikifeia#0000 Thank you! [11-Jan-25 04:42 PM] jcheung#0000 expensive. little gain. hard to figure out the gains. [11-Jan-25 04:42 PM] igfloz#0000 repair cost probably [11-Jan-25 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc the benefits donโ€™t out weight the cost [11-Jan-25 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Some in OOG I know have done some experiments and have some arguments for them [11-Jan-25 04:43 PM] tanda#0000 I think they found that if you run ship shields and drones it's cheaper overall? [11-Jan-25 04:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yea something like that [11-Jan-25 04:43 PM] tanda#0000 but I just saw what spilled into the public channels [11-Jan-25 04:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve seen a lot of chats about switching to AHP too [11-Jan-25 04:43 PM] wikifeia#0000 Well thank you for the insight [11-Jan-25 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 in regards to damage mitigating upgrades, they're simply not cost effective for what they do. here's a bit of calculation's archiel(or someone else in OOG idk) has done {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327770073024172145/IMG_6032.png?ex=6814a1fe&is=6813507e&hm=bed30f5457f4b724abd92213df1c9783419b6e10943f7992cb8d28591dc1b2a3& {Reactions} link_cool [11-Jan-25 04:44 PM] jvaler#0000 ^ "none" is just an LHP ship [11-Jan-25 04:44 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm trying a different route [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 "won't use repair money if i don't repair" {Reactions} link_cool [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] jvaler#0000 ship part meta needs rebalancing imo [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] jcheung#0000 what's the lowest efficiency a ship gets again? ๐Ÿ˜› [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] akyantor#0000 I've recently gone the AHP+All+Drones on two of my LCB ships, barely taking any damage any more. ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] akyantor#0000 Also added a HYP that I always underclock down to 20% power [11-Jan-25 04:45 PM] akyantor#0000 It means most trips you're barely taking 0.02% damage [11-Jan-25 04:46 PM] jcheung#0000 HYP? [11-Jan-25 04:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HYF maybe [11-Jan-25 04:47 PM] akyantor#0000 Ah, I meant HYR - > Hyper-Power Reactor [11-Jan-25 04:49 PM] akyantor#0000 It turns out the damage you take is proportional to how high the percentage power you run your engine, so using the highest powered one but at lower settings causes less damage, than running a lower power reactor at a higher setting. [11-Jan-25 04:49 PM] akyantor#0000 Combined with the shields+AHP+drones, you get very low damage on each trip, much longer between repiars etc. [11-Jan-25 04:50 PM] akyantor#0000 This is the config I've used on the last ship I built (recently upgraded on of my older LCB ships to the same spec) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327771643686289408/image.png?ex=6814a374&is=681351f4&hm=354adc4d60b6fb8641972f9c1683f5d04f88c3a513b8d83f69d1fa5da53a3525& [11-Jan-25 04:51 PM] tanda#0000 what precisely does the stability support system do? [11-Jan-25 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 immunity from damage from gravity {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Jan-25 04:52 PM] jvaler#0000 not applicable in most circumstances, but it's really cheap from rise [11-Jan-25 04:52 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, a relatively ship component, that doesn't require repairs later, so threw it on for the hell of it [11-Jan-25 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 woof. the price on them is high [11-Jan-25 04:53 PM] akyantor#0000 I suspect the CX price for those is probably not as good as you can get direct from a ship builder. [11-Jan-25 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 prolly [11-Jan-25 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc rise has them for 150k/u lol [11-Jan-25 04:53 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe i'll look at them for my 10th ship or something [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] akyantor#0000 I've been trying to do my bit making some of the shield components a bit more affordable. I've been stocking the CX with a healthy supply of AWH at a "good" price. Considering doing the same for some of the others. [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] jcheung#0000 if he did, he doesn't anymore [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 oh hm [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 must have gone through their stockpile [11-Jan-25 04:54 PM] jvaler#0000 they had accidentally overproduced months ago [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m thinking about getting into making drones [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 wait no it's still listed in the AA internal market [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] jcheung#0000 where [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] akyantor#0000 I'm already making some AWH/AHP. Thinking of perhaps stocking SRP. [11-Jan-25 04:55 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/962667818900410388/1034751651162112041/1034753385817182290 [11-Jan-25 04:56 PM] akyantor#0000 Make it all a bit more accessible via the CX [11-Jan-25 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 not seeing it [11-Jan-25 04:56 PM] jcheung#0000 should be here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327773172891652240/image.png?ex=6814a4e1&is=68135361&hm=f8d807e22bac30f7f89a172a053330249225ad8a8813c29127a380f179e8415d& [11-Jan-25 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 I just bought a bunch of AWH off you, looking forward to not paying 8% condition to go out to KI-401 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Jan-25 04:57 PM] jcheung#0000 ....wait, we're talking about two different things aren't we [11-Jan-25 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 STS [11-Jan-25 04:57 PM] jvaler#0000 right below [11-Jan-25 04:58 PM] jcheung#0000 i wasn't talking about STS [11-Jan-25 04:59 PM] jvaler#0000 oops {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327774036050051204/IMG_6034.png?ex=6814a5af&is=6813542f&hm=af2f901b5dbd323c97efbd647212676b766b20f14d4643d3cdd0f400c40f9db0& [11-Jan-25 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327775186824728637/image.png?ex=6814a6c1&is=68135541&hm=1e29c1b0dfd3060ef5a2ea8ce7d2b2ee40225fd78c53181549eb4c8ba226d4a4& [11-Jan-25 05:06 PM] akyantor#0000 Fast moving conversation. ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Jan-25 05:06 PM] akyantor#0000 I think I bought the HYR drive from someone within OOG, so probably had mates rates. [11-Jan-25 05:08 PM] akyantor#0000 Pretty cool if you want to get somewhere quick mind... ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Jan-25 05:21 PM] jvaler#0000 ohh [11-Jan-25 08:42 PM] wikifeia#0000 Would someone mind providing feedback on this Nike base? The chemical plant is not optimal, it's there specifically to provide flux for my metallurgy operation on Deimos, which in turn provides most of the aluminum this base needs. I found a few configurations of this base that produced slightly more profit when I didn't provide luxes to my settlers, but I couldn't find one that didn't require importing limestone. In this configuration I have to buy 5 AL and 7 FLX per day to make up for the demand that isn't met by production. I'm playing around with some base designs that require 2 permits to see if I can make the numbers work, but haven't figured it out yet. https://prunplanner.org/shared/b373814d-cfa7-426d-bbc7-5369b3a2ea26 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b373814d-cfa7-426d-bbc7-5369b3a2ea26 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [11-Jan-25 08:46 PM] evany.#0000 I wouldnโ€™t do anything that violates cogc even if on paper it looked better [11-Jan-25 08:47 PM] evany.#0000 You also will always provide luxuryโ€™s even if on paper it doesnโ€™t look โ€œworthโ€ it, prices are probably just slightly out of whack [11-Jan-25 08:48 PM] evany.#0000 I canโ€™t seem to load your link as Iโ€™m on mobile and it refuses to load for some fucked reason [11-Jan-25 08:49 PM] evany.#0000 Since your new I will also caution heavily against running two permits on one of your first ten planets, if your established and you feel it still makes sense then change it then [11-Jan-25 08:50 PM] evany.#0000 If your running deimos then I would encourage you to just smelt al/fe purchase everything else, including flx elsewhere [11-Jan-25 08:50 PM] wikifeia#0000 The way I see it, simplifying my supply chain while I'm still new to this game will save me more money than going all in on profits. The difference between adding one more PP2 in place of the CHP is like 1.5k in daily profit. [11-Jan-25 08:51 PM] evany.#0000 If you want to attach a screenshot of the prunplanner go for it, but consider your experts too, if you mix things like chp while trying to do flux you are leaving an additional 30% on the table [11-Jan-25 08:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can help you out with some FLX for the mean time [11-Jan-25 08:51 PM] evany.#0000 ^ take him up on that he will give you a good price [11-Jan-25 08:53 PM] evany.#0000 Consider for a moment that the flx your burning still has value and thatโ€™s money and area your wasting regardless of what prunplanner says. E.g a base dedicated importing whatever makes flx at 30$/unit and printing flx that he sells you for 100/unit, but your far less efficient at it, no cogc, no experts so -25% and -30% so that same flx will cost you 155/unit (napkin math) [11-Jan-25 08:55 PM] evany.#0000 And it might feel like your simplifying things, but your kind of not. E.g I still have my starter extractors on deimos, because Iโ€™m trash but itโ€™s still producing insufficient amounts of alo, so have I really simplified importing of alo? Not really. [11-Jan-25 08:56 PM] wikifeia#0000 i guess I need to think about it [11-Jan-25 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 In the near term I actually agree with the EXT, but not the CHP>FLX [11-Jan-25 08:57 PM] tanda#0000 LST is at 240 on the CX at the moment, so having some production of it yourself until things clear up a bit is not a bad idea [11-Jan-25 09:02 PM] wikifeia#0000 So I guess the majority of people source aluminum from nascent and then process it on deimos? [11-Jan-25 09:03 PM] evany.#0000 correct, my nascent guy has volume if you want to get in on it [11-Jan-25 09:04 PM] wikifeia#0000 It's all good, i appreciate it [11-Jan-25 09:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can bum ya some ALO too ๐Ÿ˜ผ [11-Jan-25 09:09 PM] jvaler#0000 "simplicity"(aka vertical integration) doesn't actually save money. but it can be more fun to have as a goal, so you can do whatever you want ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [11-Jan-25 09:10 PM] wikifeia#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ it's a little depressing having put so much thought into balancing resource needs vs production, only to see that a single nascent base with 14 EXT perfectly supplies two deimos bases with 20 SME [11-Jan-25 09:10 PM] wikifeia#0000 oh well, i built what i built and it works for now [11-Jan-25 09:11 PM] wikifeia#0000 just glad that i didn't make the mistake of settling on nike next [11-Jan-25 09:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well the hard part is ALO is chonky stuff {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Jan-25 09:11 PM] jvaler#0000 yup i found that out early on too lol. it was fun to plan around. i've still got that deimos+nascent pair kicking on [11-Jan-25 09:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And I struggled to get ALO to Deimos as a newbie [11-Jan-25 09:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I didnโ€™t have ALO ext there [11-Jan-25 09:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 My starter ships were always flying back and forth with ALO [11-Jan-25 09:13 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, and last i checked ALO extraction honestly isn't all that profitable given the logistical headache it introduces. [11-Jan-25 09:13 PM] wikifeia#0000 just need to take out a small loan of a million dollars and upgrade to a wcb [11-Jan-25 09:13 PM] jvaler#0000 =P [11-Jan-25 09:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll be here [11-Jan-25 09:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 An LCB can actually fit more ALO ๐Ÿค“ {Reactions} ๐Ÿฅด [11-Jan-25 09:14 PM] jvaler#0000 but is less cost efficient to upgrade a starter to so [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah fs. Itโ€™s a goal to work for eventually [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 yup [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 my first LCB felt so good to have [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But on that note I can help ya out with FLX and ALO since I take those to Deimos myself [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] wikifeia#0000 how long have yall been playing? [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] wikifeia#0000 honestly i'm fine for now, really not burning through very much {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] wikifeia#0000 thank you though [11-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 500 days as of yesterday, damn {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327838449759293551/image.png?ex=6814e1ac&is=6813902c&hm=3cde23f1664870c8e6e9ce72df22bd9fdc6418980a4887c2fa06ffc3a7a14d41& [11-Jan-25 09:16 PM] wikifeia#0000 my deimos setup is mostly self sufficient, i just need carbon, flux, and a bunch of basic pioneer supplies [11-Jan-25 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that's a pretty efficient setup for a newbie. ALO import can get logistically taxing {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-Jan-25 09:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well I got FLX if you want [11-Jan-25 09:17 PM] jvaler#0000 and the imports pretty much match the AL exports so you aren't running empty ships {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Jan-25 09:17 PM] wikifeia#0000 i'll reach out when i have more than triple digits of liquid capital haha {Reactions} link_cool [11-Jan-25 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1327839305959211119/image.png?ex=6814e278&is=681390f8&hm=9be0cfecf83223ad78cf2aa449c733b89beb6a25236b8fbd9eb47cbf0f811518& [11-Jan-25 09:19 PM] wikifeia#0000 very nice [11-Jan-25 09:19 PM] wikifeia#0000 i love this game honestly, it's 90% of what i enjoy about eve online without all the stress hiding from gankers lol [11-Jan-25 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 agreed! [11-Jan-25 09:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am almost at a year I believe [11-Jan-25 10:50 PM] jcheung#0000 On the contrary imo multi perm at the start may not be the worst idea for simplification [11-Jan-25 11:26 PM] wikifeia#0000 does prunplanner have data on every planet in its planet search tab, or only populated planets? [11-Jan-25 11:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All planets [11-Jan-25 11:26 PM] wikifeia#0000 seems kinda wild that only 6 planets have ALO on them [11-Jan-25 11:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Did you tick all the parameters on the side? [11-Jan-25 11:27 PM] wikifeia#0000 ope that did it, thanks [11-Jan-25 11:27 PM] wikifeia#0000 assumed that if you dont tick any, they select both by default [11-Jan-25 11:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Haha yeah itโ€™s not very intuitive [11-Jan-25 11:28 PM] wikifeia#0000 how do gravity, temp, and pressure impact resource production if at all? [11-Jan-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They just require different materials when you build your base [11-Jan-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like Insulation, Sealant or Thermal shielding etc [11-Jan-25 11:28 PM] wikifeia#0000 understood, thanks for the help! [11-Jan-25 11:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ofc [11-Jan-25 11:47 PM] wikifeia#0000 is there any way to make prosperity label multiple worlds at once? or is there a map search tool that can do that? [11-Jan-25 11:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wym? [11-Jan-25 11:47 PM] wikifeia#0000 like for example this tool: prosperity-prun.netlify.app [11-Jan-25 11:48 PM] wikifeia#0000 it looks like you can only look up the location of one world at a time [11-Jan-25 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m not understanding why youโ€™d want to do that ๐Ÿ˜ฃ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Jan-25 11:48 PM] wikifeia#0000 supply chain planning [11-Jan-25 11:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh uh yeah [11-Jan-25 11:49 PM] wikifeia#0000 not a huge deal if there isn't, it just makes my life a bit harder lol [11-Jan-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Leslieโ€™s map or something like that [11-Jan-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s what they used to visualize the gateway distances and stuff [11-Jan-25 11:50 PM] wikifeia#0000 cool! any idea where i can find a link? [11-Jan-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m checking ๐Ÿ˜… [11-Jan-25 11:51 PM] wikifeia#0000 no rush, thank you for the help [11-Jan-25 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://universemap.duckdns.org/ {Embed} https://universemap.duckdns.org/ Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map - An interactive map for the Prosperous Universe game [11-Jan-25 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s made by taiyi [11-Jan-25 11:54 PM] wikifeia#0000 thank you very much [11-Jan-25 11:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I found that in #prun-resources {Reactions} โค๏ธ [11-Jan-25 11:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There might be some other things in there that you would find useful [11-Jan-25 11:55 PM] wikifeia#0000 i will give it a thorough scouring [11-Jan-25 11:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The extension Refined prun is pretty good in my opinion [12-Jan-25 12:21 AM] jvaler#0000 prosperity isn't a very good map tool, it's outdated and unmaintained. i'd recommend taiyi's or YAPT {Reactions} โค๏ธ [12-Jan-25 01:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh lol me not getting that โ€œprosperityโ€ was a map [12-Jan-25 01:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Must be that bad then ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [12-Jan-25 11:22 AM] tanda#0000 I should really get around to standardizing the taxes for Kevin and KI-401c {Reactions} โœ… [12-Jan-25 07:04 PM] antisyntax#0000 @riseoffilth are you able to do this? https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1326072356380213371 [12-Jan-25 08:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 i dont keep a list, i fulfill contracts in the order that i get them [12-Jan-25 08:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 so send contracts with the fee included [12-Jan-25 08:37 PM] riseoffilth#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1328191257972838491/image.png?ex=6814d8c0&is=68138740&hm=39a29a1197d8d83c2b3eeb58b5052c9c0754664730e9b2dbb01c10bb4934b42d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1328191258241269821/image.png?ex=6814d8c0&is=68138740&hm=05b880231d7f0e14a27a0e5e3f259f89f1787e4df3a222ef6850f339542a75c1& [19-Jan-25 06:50 PM] tanda#0000 Would there be any interest from some of our newer players in a RAT production coop out in Thalassa? [19-Jan-25 07:02 PM] freeloader4#0000 What would it entail? I had started in Phobos and have a base on Norwick with next plan going to Harmonia because I don't make a lot of agricultural products. If you have a better thought I'm open to it though I only have like 200k. [19-Jan-25 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 I am unsure at this point, just feeling out interest [19-Jan-25 07:17 PM] freeloader4#0000 I wouldnt mind, iโ€™m just a bit too new to really understand all the nuances, so i need a bit of direction [19-Jan-25 11:34 PM] roche3950#0000 @_alecto [19-Jan-25 11:41 PM] _alecto#0000 Yes, I've been meaning to work on a build but still dealing with RL matters. Hoping to get some time for it over the next couple of days. {Reactions} blobheart [19-Jan-25 11:54 PM] pagy1234#0000 all of thalassa has really bad planet stats no? probably not super accessable to new players [19-Jan-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, but that can be overcome if we get a bit CULTy about it [19-Jan-25 11:57 PM] pagy1234#0000 lmao [19-Jan-25 11:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 wouldnt be against it, but im not the richest out there rn [19-Jan-25 11:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 how much RAT would you need out there? [19-Jan-25 11:59 PM] pagy1234#0000 I could also just do some shipping missions if thats a bit easier [19-Jan-25 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 Enough to drive the cx back down to 120ish, if possible. Maybe future expansion to MEA/FIM [20-Jan-25 12:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh damn, not what I was thinking lmao [20-Jan-25 12:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 i thought you just needed some RAT in thalassa, not changing the price of the market ๐Ÿ˜ญ [20-Jan-25 12:06 AM] tanda#0000 That's what makes it a CULT project, lol [20-Jan-25 12:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 If I can get a base on ice station alpha then Id be down to produce RAT [20-Jan-25 12:07 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I would need upgrades on my ships, and some other stuff if I were to do it [20-Jan-25 04:23 PM] wikifeia#0000 how do you establish a second base on a planet you've already settled? All I'm seeing is the "view base" button. [20-Jan-25 04:25 PM] igfloz#0000 1 planet, 1 base - you can expand the base, but it is not really a good use of money [20-Jan-25 04:26 PM] igfloz#0000 you start with 500 base area, you can expand twice, for only 250 each time (max 1000 area) [20-Jan-25 04:26 PM] igfloz#0000 not a good use of base expansion, when you could go to a different planet for another 500 area [20-Jan-25 04:27 PM] wikifeia#0000 Oh fr? Fair enough I guess, a nascent resource extraction base produces enough alo for two metallurgy bases, so I was hoping to have two bases on deimos [20-Jan-25 04:28 PM] wikifeia#0000 I guess I'll need a second metallurgy base on vulcan [20-Jan-25 04:29 PM] igfloz#0000 I also have ALO EXT on Nascent, and I feed 2 customers regularly. any leftover spoils I can also smelt periodically [20-Jan-25 04:29 PM] wikifeia#0000 I figure highest profit possible is feeding yourself, no? any reason you don't do it? [20-Jan-25 04:30 PM] igfloz#0000 vertical integration "can" provide profit. But I'm not sure it is the best way. There are better people here that can explain [20-Jan-25 04:31 PM] wikifeia#0000 fair enough [20-Jan-25 04:39 PM] igfloz#0000 not sure if this is a good explanation, but here goes Starting out - Make item 1 (1 ingredient, ALO for example) ---> sell item 1 When you have some capital - Make item 2 (might have 2, or 3 ingredients) ---> sell item 2 The things that might affect item 2 will be the additional ingredients that you don't make, additional burn items, the market might change , or even disappear. - If you end up creating full vertical integration for item 2, it may cost you more to make than you can sell for. [20-Jan-25 04:40 PM] igfloz#0000 item 1 --> item 2 --> sell, is not always the "best" profit [20-Jan-25 04:47 PM] wikifeia#0000 i figure minimizing market exposure is the best strategy in the longrun though no? [20-Jan-25 04:48 PM] wikifeia#0000 I'm sure it varies when it comes to expensive/specialized goods, but you can always pivot if needed when doing basic resource extraction/manufacturing [20-Jan-25 04:49 PM] igfloz#0000 it's possible, but sometimes, can also be expensive ( relatively ) to pivot [20-Jan-25 04:50 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm not knocking anything you might be thinking of. Just trying to maybe provide some insight [20-Jan-25 04:52 PM] random_di5cord_user#0000 it is not super surprising that stability and control (e.g. of market exposure, shipping delays, etc) are likely a tradeoff with maximizing profits. [20-Jan-25 05:47 PM] jvaler#0000 feeding yourself doesn't affect your profits, because the value of the items you consume is the same regardless of if it's bought or produced yourself [20-Jan-25 05:49 PM] jvaler#0000 well, it can provide price stability, but that can go either way. sometimes the input is expensive, so producing it yourself is just profitable. and then sometimes the input is cheap, so producing it yourself is just unprofitable [20-Jan-25 05:51 PM] jvaler#0000 basically you need to think of each base's production as independently producing profit from your other bases. the exception to this is when the intermediate item's market has no supply and you're forced to produce it yourself, then you need to average the profits of your end product with the base that makes the intermediate [20-Jan-25 06:12 PM] jcheung#0000 Some chains get annoyingly complex, and when you get over 20 permits it starts getting expensive [20-Jan-25 06:12 PM] jcheung#0000 So it's unrealistic to VI all the way for more complex items [20-Jan-25 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Also some of the lower level things, like RATs for example, require multiple bases producing agri for best effect [20-Jan-25 06:13 PM] jcheung#0000 And it's unrealistic to produce all of it yourself [21-Jan-25 09:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 In about 3 days or less my base is gonna look like this on a 30h+ round trip while I still have default ships, how do I upgrade my ship, and how much does it cost? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1331291050483912705/Screenshot_2025-01-21_at_11.53.21_PM.png?ex=6814eae8&is=68139968&hm=3d99ea6b0c70fdf0bb720f422799170bc1a254c2d099145282591a76109777dc& [21-Jan-25 09:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 There was some mention of loans for ship upgrades when I joined, I must say that it does sound quite tempting right about now [21-Jan-25 10:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 also I will need some explanation about how all this ship upgrade stuff works, i opened `BLU` earlier today and understood hardly anything๐Ÿ˜… [21-Jan-25 10:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 I just found the ship kit channel, but only a 3000t/1000m ship is offered? according to the table above I would much prefer a 2000t/2000m ship if thats possible ๐Ÿ˜ [21-Jan-25 10:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 If its not possible then it should be fine I think, its still a pretty solid improvement [21-Jan-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 theres an alternate that involves no ship upgrade, I can change to the alternate DW recipie; if I invest a little more into FP's and get from 15 to 21, I can make the same revenue but with 15k less expense and a 1.64d import frequency, Which is manageable with just 1 ship going constantly. will this be better in the long term or not at all? [21-Jan-25 10:35 AM] flor2081#0000 upgrading a starter ship is a lot cheaper to WCB (3kt/1kmยณ) as you dont need to change as many parts [21-Jan-25 10:35 AM] flor2081#0000 ah nvm didnt read the kit channel [21-Jan-25 10:41 AM] flor2081#0000 the PG DW recipe is better yes [21-Jan-25 10:41 AM] flor2081#0000 unless you're seriously trying to pump out as much DW as possible but thats a bad idea if you cant ship it [21-Jan-25 10:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 alr, might be the goal then [21-Jan-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 not that much better iirc ? [21-Jan-25 10:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 about 25% more profit if revenue is equal [21-Jan-25 10:42 AM] flor2081#0000 well the difference is like a full ship so yeah :p [21-Jan-25 10:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 79k daily profit Vs. 63k when both revenues are about 150k [21-Jan-25 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 I'm honestly tempted to start my own DW plant [21-Jan-25 11:06 AM] jcheung#0000 But with my luck I'll join the train just in time for it to crash [21-Jan-25 11:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 You can always just tear it down again, FPs are cheap [21-Jan-25 11:07 AM] jcheung#0000 You're nit wrong [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 or do RAT [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 I hope it doesnt ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Or fim [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 or Mea [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 FP are very profitable [21-Jan-25 11:08 AM] jcheung#0000 I do a little mea already [21-Jan-25 11:09 AM] jcheung#0000 I probably need to do more fim to feed my mea [21-Jan-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 alot of the things it makes will always be in high demand [21-Jan-25 11:09 AM] jcheung#0000 *stares at market* [21-Jan-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 (I can sell a bit of her if you need it) [21-Jan-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, if you're looking for an expansion path [21-Jan-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd heavily recommend to make an HER base on Harmonia [21-Jan-25 11:12 AM] laaxus#0000 (and then refine it to fim) [21-Jan-25 11:12 AM] laaxus#0000 @pagy1234 [21-Jan-25 11:12 AM] laaxus#0000 it would divide your shipping needs by 2 [21-Jan-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 will look into it [21-Jan-25 11:13 AM] laaxus#0000 furthermore, a FRM base is the cheapest base one can make [21-Jan-25 11:13 AM] laaxus#0000 and with a high roi [21-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1331310905228525580/image.png?ex=6814fd66&is=6813abe6&hm=f0ba3e687735789af82c7d981defd4dddc17e6cd09214fe8c35ee6e646156b82& [21-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 don't look at profit per day [21-Jan-25 11:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 i see [21-Jan-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 I arguably have a roi of like 5-7 [21-Jan-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 howcome? [21-Jan-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 it says 11 right there lol [21-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 because I put prunplanner cx settings to buy at ask, and sell at bid [21-Jan-25 11:15 AM] laaxus#0000 (which you should do) [21-Jan-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 however, it does not apply when you consume your production [21-Jan-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah i see [21-Jan-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 The current bid price is like 2600 [21-Jan-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 but imo, the market price is in the range [3000, 3500] [21-Jan-25 11:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 so on that base you have HER production and then direct production of FIM? [21-Jan-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [21-Jan-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 all my her production goes directly to norwick [21-Jan-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 and it fills around half my HER needs [21-Jan-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh you have FIM production on NOR? [21-Jan-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [21-Jan-25 11:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah cuz the bonussss [21-Jan-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I am a full time fim producer on norwick [21-Jan-25 11:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 Il see if i can do something about making HER then adjusting my production of FIM on Norwick to how much HER i have [21-Jan-25 11:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 As a DDT producer, I think the world needs more HER ๐Ÿ˜„ [21-Jan-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 it would reduce your shipping issue [21-Jan-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 by around half [21-Jan-25 11:20 AM] laaxus#0000 lol [21-Jan-25 11:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 il do some experimenting on prunplanner tmr [21-Jan-25 11:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 Il see how much I can produce for a reasonable base price [21-Jan-25 11:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 for now I deal with DW until i have a solution :D [21-Jan-25 11:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 goodnight [21-Jan-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 gn [21-Jan-25 06:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 so, on the same max area layout for DW, the normal recipe makes me around 295k a day, with 148k profit, the alternate recipe only makes me 209k a day, but has 120k profit. upgrading 1 ship to WCB will allow me to go with normal recipe and make that extra 28k a month, but will. cost me 28k a day for 48 days [21-Jan-25 06:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 a WCB will also allow me to set up another base easily though, frees up one ship completely that I can use elsewhere [21-Jan-25 06:05 PM] pagy1234#0000 math checks out after 48 days if I dont expand, or less if I do expand somewhere else. [21-Jan-25 06:10 PM] pagy1234#0000 48 days is alot tho [21-Jan-25 06:10 PM] pagy1234#0000 il make myself some targets to hit before I upgrade I think [21-Jan-25 06:10 PM] tanda#0000 48 days before it turns a profit? It pays for itself until the loan is paid off [21-Jan-25 06:11 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah until profit [21-Jan-25 06:11 PM] tanda#0000 so it's net neutral. I would push for that upgrade ASAP, since it also frees up the other ship [21-Jan-25 06:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 alr yeah, il save up some cash to get at least 500k down payment [21-Jan-25 06:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 i just hate debt [21-Jan-25 06:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 have about 570k rn so il get that up to 750k [21-Jan-25 06:12 PM] pagy1234#0000 thats my goal, cya in 2 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Jan-25 01:01 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1332062785462337656/image.png?ex=681516a4&is=6813c524&hm=555cf3400ba7b9c17fd43127ff405a5c472541c09c597e6c857908edbb09f8b6& [23-Jan-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 here's my list of bases [23-Jan-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 what planet am i missing [23-Jan-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm out of ideas [23-Jan-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 for new bases [23-Jan-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I might go for EvoV industrial Hub [23-Jan-25 01:03 PM] realharvey#0000 Malahat ๐Ÿคข [23-Jan-25 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 it allows me to finance so much things [23-Jan-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I think one base is just right ! [23-Jan-25 01:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 Malahat ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Jan-25 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 I found what are gonna be my next bases [23-Jan-25 03:10 PM] laaxus#0000 - pp4 - another ppf astreus - another farm on Dรฉmรฉter - another fp near demeter [23-Jan-25 03:41 PM] tanda#0000 Hermes for the last one [23-Jan-25 08:27 PM] jvaler#0000 only do hermes if you really need another FP planet [23-Jan-25 08:27 PM] jvaler#0000 i'd take SE-110a over hermes if i had to. the flight time down here is kinda annoying [23-Jan-25 08:28 PM] jvaler#0000 and for some reason the demeter <-> hermes trip takes almost as long as the ANT <-> hermes trip, it makes no sense [23-Jan-25 08:57 PM] laaxus#0000 What's the issue with hermรจs ? [23-Jan-25 08:58 PM] tanda#0000 well, specifically FP near demeter you only got the one option [23-Jan-25 08:59 PM] laaxus#0000 Well, I'm not specifically attached to hermes [23-Jan-25 09:00 PM] laaxus#0000 But what's wrong with it ? [23-Jan-25 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 It's very far out [23-Jan-25 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 Long flight times. If you can make do with a HYF base, Thalassa a is very wel positioned [23-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 >the flight time down here is kinda annoying [23-Jan-25 09:15 PM] jvaler#0000 with a FSE QCR it's between 1d 4h to 1d 12hr ant <-> hermes [23-Jan-25 09:16 PM] jvaler#0000 the idea was to be able to fly by demeter to pick up agri, but the flight time between the two is shockingly long (~1d) and i don't know why... [23-Jan-25 11:17 PM] evov#0000 Always looking for more people to join the IA Industrial hub to build things the universe needs. The discord set up for the project -> https://discord.gg/qT5eDb2A CoGC's and most recent population count for planets in the project {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1332217791155015680/image.png?ex=6814fe40&is=6813acc0&hm=9076bf2e148dd919bee232b639e1e4cc06b0edd632407fece572449e7eb9a599& [24-Jan-25 01:27 AM] realharvey#0000 I'll be joining in 2-3 weeks I guess [24-Jan-25 01:29 AM] evov#0000 Sweet. Anyone thinking of joining, just jump into that discord as I'll need to organize the establishment fee's / run immigration policies / make sure we don't get multiple people joining the same planet at the same time etc etc. [24-Jan-25 01:30 AM] realharvey#0000 I'll reach out once I am wrapping things up and being able to join [27-Jan-25 08:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not sure how valuable this data is, but I aggregated a report about all players, who joined or left the starter planets last week: Deimos - 27 joined, 17 left Harmonia - 20 joined, 13 left Phobos - 20 joined, 9 left Total - 67 joined, 41 left + 26 "new" players this week . [27-Jan-25 08:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 full report: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1333444019577163858/Player_Report_CW_04_-_Tabellenblatt1.pdf?ex=6814d704&is=68138584&hm=29db80968d2c4ad7674e7770993470013a1a8df63a0a307a3f5744f6252fd6ab& [27-Jan-25 08:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It might be time to start another recruiting campaign [27-Jan-25 08:38 AM] realharvey#0000 guess thats good news for ANT. Thanks for having an eye on that [27-Jan-25 06:12 PM] wikifeia#0000 woohoo! second base on nascent {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1333590438765924352/image.png?ex=6814b6a1&is=68136521&hm=c0d5250b45fdfa4ab47802994d7a7337caac9aae8bab66621b3c86944e485c25& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [27-Jan-25 06:12 PM] wikifeia#0000 thanks to all the folks who helped me get started [27-Jan-25 06:42 PM] jcheung#0000 straight EXT? that's a lot of stuff to haul ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Jan-25 07:03 PM] wikifeia#0000 :) I'm planning to save up for some vcb upgrades next [27-Jan-25 07:03 PM] wikifeia#0000 Hoping that allocating one ship for transfers between nascent and deimos and the other for transfers between deimos and ai1 will be enough [27-Jan-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 you don't want VCB for ALO [27-Jan-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 you want LCB {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Jan-25 07:07 PM] jcheung#0000 also you should consider just buying a new ship for the LCB [27-Jan-25 07:49 PM] jvaler#0000 ALO is still decently efficient in a WCB, i think a PSK upgrade would still be better for the price [27-Jan-25 07:50 PM] manhim#0000 I use a WCB to feed ALO to my 2 AL bases and it works fine [27-Jan-25 08:01 PM] jcheung#0000 wcb is arguably many times better than VCB for ALO ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Jan-25 08:04 PM] jvaler#0000 arguably? that's just fact lolol [27-Jan-25 08:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1333618712032317440/IMG_0152.png?ex=6814d0f6&is=68137f76&hm=43d27df959156e787feffdcdf4551441d4aa8901e607f7e13d1a399f3ef835ac& {Reactions} monk [27-Jan-25 08:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 LCB WCB VCB [27-Jan-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 light mode discord? wth [27-Jan-25 08:12 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bQ4v1.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-25002731 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AIJxD_UJBZzg5oNVlsBg_Lt9oEOdf0luhPgOz6tGm60/https/media.tenor.com/fLhSt81F5gAAAAAe/cat-flashbang.png [27-Jan-25 08:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wow the editing on this is good [27-Jan-25 08:33 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gatto-cibo-cat-bread-hungry-cat-gif-15925702 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gatto-cibo-cat-bread-hungry-cat-gif-15925702 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fPs8HZM2age66tZSkfHRlIs6lz-1h52hd1-qtoZ-EXM/https/media.tenor.com/PhhN-3LjE3AAAAAe/gatto-cibo.png [27-Jan-25 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 frankly I didn't even notice it was edited until you posted the original [27-Jan-25 08:35 PM] jvaler#0000 same it made me second guess my memory lmao {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Jan-25 08:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not light mode itโ€™s one of their colored modes [27-Jan-25 08:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s called retro raincloud [28-Jan-25 09:59 AM] antisyntax#0000 sorry about the very late response. Do I just sent CONTs as a buy order for each of the cconstructed bill of material parts? Can it be delivered to Deimos, or do I have to ship it from ANT to Deimos to build it? Thanks! [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Oof. Missed the cutoff by that โ€œ-โ€œ much [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] antisyntax#0000 uh oh. did you stop making ships [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Jk, you can request them at Deimos [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] antisyntax#0000 oh ok lol [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] antisyntax#0000 phew [28-Jan-25 10:01 AM] riseoffilth#0000 I made a post this morning about quiting the game [28-Jan-25 10:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 But Iโ€™ll honor any existing ship orders ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Jan-25 10:02 AM] antisyntax#0000 you're quitting? damn. you are such a big part of ANT ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-Jan-25 10:03 AM] antisyntax#0000 so does that mean if i send you a cont rn it isn't existing, or can you fufill one rq [28-Jan-25 10:07 AM] antisyntax#0000 i sent one real quick. a classic 4.4m 2k/2k ship, @riseoffilth if you are willing to accept one rq thanks!~ [28-Jan-25 10:08 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Over the next 30 days as I wind down operations, I can likely fulfill the order [28-Jan-25 10:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 awesome. tysm [28-Jan-25 10:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 im fine waiting a while for you to accept the CONTD since i forgot to set it more than 3 days lol [28-Jan-25 10:08 AM] antisyntax#0000 that also gives you time to see if you are able to fufil it as well [28-Jan-25 10:13 AM] jcheung#0000 it's sad for me because i was thinking about ordering another ship next month from rise ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Jan-25 10:14 AM] jcheung#0000 guess i'll wait two months and hit up a different person [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] wikifeia#0000 Doesnโ€™t this increase the cost from 1.5 mil to 6mil+? [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 they just came out with a huge cargo bay today [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] jcheung#0000 LCB upgrade will be around 3m [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] antisyntax#0000 5k/5k [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe more [28-Jan-25 10:15 AM] wikifeia#0000 Gotcha [28-Jan-25 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 (3m being a rough estimate) [28-Jan-25 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 for 3m you can upgrade both your starters to WCBs [28-Jan-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 which would, assuming you're volume limited, double your capacity [28-Jan-25 10:17 AM] wikifeia#0000 Very nice, thank you [28-Jan-25 10:24 AM] wikifeia#0000 Once youโ€™ve started upgrading your hq on a planet, can you relocate it at no cost? [28-Jan-25 10:25 AM] wikifeia#0000 Or are hqs on different planets upgraded separately? [28-Jan-25 10:25 AM] antisyntax#0000 one hq, which gives a boost to production irrc [28-Jan-25 10:26 AM] antisyntax#0000 you ccan move it, not sure if its free [28-Jan-25 10:26 AM] wikifeia#0000 Gotcha, thanks [28-Jan-25 10:27 AM] wikifeia#0000 The Antares bonus is starting to make all of the electronics focused planets make sense lol. I was wondering why we had so little manufacturing and construction [28-Jan-25 10:35 AM] jcheung#0000 you can. once a month. {Reactions} โค๏ธ [28-Jan-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-alchemist-roy-mustang-cry-rain-sad-gif-5359078 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-alchemist-roy-mustang-cry-rain-sad-gif-5359078 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7TZ3PQGE8GqFZry2ZLfGIYRhaevyoz_Zu4MMqpuhzkU/https/media.tenor.com/DrZDFUW39OEAAAAe/full-metal-alchemist-roy-mustang.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [28-Jan-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Why are you quitting ? It's not fun to you anymore ? [28-Jan-25 10:37 AM] jcheung#0000 he's not getting paid enough ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [28-Jan-25 10:38 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1333838546250760212/image.png?ex=6814f4f2&is=6813a372&hm=b7e4132827123cea365a98f371e94473cd71024af1ad4a06e8db1a600ddf0176& [28-Jan-25 10:40 AM] antisyntax#0000 thank you for this. couldn't seem to find it anywhere lol [28-Jan-25 10:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah itโ€™s in AA [28-Jan-25 10:40 AM] antisyntax#0000 ah [28-Jan-25 10:40 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~anti-air~~ [28-Jan-25 10:40 AM] antisyntax#0000 the one channel i didn't check lol [28-Jan-25 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 Where ?? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [28-Jan-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 Well It's a Big loss for antares [28-Jan-25 10:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 General public [28-Jan-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 And a Big loss for the adi [28-Jan-25 10:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://discord.com/channels/962667818900410388/962667818900410391/1333780071302955048 [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 No access [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] wikifeia#0000 Before you leave, do you have any resources outlining your shipbuilding supply chain? [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] jcheung#0000 i do believe you have me mixed up ๐Ÿ˜› [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well Jcheung isnโ€™t leaving [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] jcheung#0000 well. not yet anyways {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s RiseofFilth [28-Jan-25 10:43 AM] wikifeia#0000 Clicked on the wrong person lol [28-Jan-25 10:44 AM] jcheung#0000 (we'll see how i feel when pro lapses) [28-Jan-25 10:44 AM] wikifeia#0000 @riseoffilth [28-Jan-25 10:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Jan-25 10:45 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Hey All, To keep this short, as I'm sure you've all read in snippets here and there, I got a lot of things happening that I'm moving towards IRL which is going to more and more dominate my time. Having daily commitments to things such as PrUn just isnt practical or smart. It doesnt hurt that in my mind, I won this game awhile ago. Between building the most complicated items the game offers (ships) and consistently and effectively running the largest planet governing "empire" in the game, I've done all the things that really held interest to me. These days, it just feels like stagnation. And if there is one constant through life, it is change. Change is either forward or backward, up or down, there is no such thing as standing still. The moment you realize things feel still, that is when you know you are falling. And I'm an up and forward type fella, so this is it for me in PrUn. I'm wrapping it up in a bow and callin it a day. Just over 1k days to be precise. FAQ: -Iโ€™m going to be winding down operations over the next month. -No. You can not haz my stuff. -I'll be finishing my existing ship orders as best I can, as well as not accepting new orders. -I'll be withdrawing my name from all future gov races. Lots of planets up for grabs. Go nuts. -I've just refilled every planet I manage. I might stick around and do it again in a month for the giggles. -All bases will be deconstructed and items horded at the CX... probably. -I'll list certain items, like governing goods, on the market in whatever stocks I have. -Any and all debts to me are forgiven. -Any leftover money in a couple months, I'll donate to new player grant or something -I have no plans to leave the discord, so feel free to ask advice or shoot the shit. All the best, Me {Reactions} givelove (4) [28-Jan-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Well, it might be Time to speed up my CX shipbuilding plan [28-Jan-25 10:47 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Resourcesโ€ฆ no. But a general guide to how I do it? Sure, I can write that up {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) [28-Jan-25 10:47 AM] riseoffilth#0000 I want to say โ€œitโ€™s not that hardโ€ [28-Jan-25 10:48 AM] wikifeia#0000 Iโ€™d appreciate it, thanks. [28-Jan-25 10:48 AM] riseoffilth#0000 But it definitely required effort and a good cadre of folks who worked with me [28-Jan-25 10:48 AM] riseoffilth#0000 It would have been impossible to make ships at the scale I did without them [28-Jan-25 10:57 AM] realharvey#0000 The electronic chains for bridges and the crew quarter stuff is what always puts me off big time [28-Jan-25 10:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s just a lot of bases [28-Jan-25 10:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 But itโ€™s actually damn ez [28-Jan-25 10:58 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Justโ€ฆ have the permits ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Jan-25 10:59 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Doesnโ€™t have to be all one person like I did [28-Jan-25 10:59 AM] riseoffilth#0000 But at the end, I had like 6 electronics bases [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] realharvey#0000 configuring those for the right ratios is what killed me very time [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] jcheung#0000 i wish i had enough money to buy up your surplus ship parts after your current orders were done [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 I just produce IDC/EDC with my extra capacity [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s all going to CX [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] riseoffilth#0000 A lot already has been [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] jcheung#0000 like i said [28-Jan-25 11:02 AM] jcheung#0000 i wish i had enough to buy it out ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jan-25 11:03 AM] riseoffilth#0000 People have been buying cargo bays that I pay 400k for, for over 650k [28-Jan-25 11:03 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Itโ€™s hilarious [28-Jan-25 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 The real fight over Rise's stuff is going to be the fight over all the leftover feeder bases/players [28-Jan-25 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/can%27t-wait-i-wanna-i-want-yey-hooray-gif-2654245196787195380 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/can%27t-wait-i-wanna-i-want-yey-hooray-gif-2654245196787195380 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/w5kIauykDDnC1zVn0E3AztdVypDlbNH_yQrbZrOU9Ec/https/media.tenor.com/JNXF8ZVJnfQAAAAe/can%2527t-wait-i-wanna.png [28-Jan-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 Sad to see you go, Rise! It'll be interesting to see how the markets react. I guess I'm going to have to up my GOV game [28-Jan-25 10:50 PM] jcheung#0000 well, for one i would expect ships to be a little more scarce or expensive in a year unless some new players enter the market [29-Jan-25 01:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I guess most of them will be independent and start feeding the market [29-Jan-25 01:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If they can affort the shipping that is [29-Jan-25 05:53 AM] tanda#0000 then some raw goods are about to be very cheap [29-Jan-25 06:16 AM] jvaler#0000 anybody want 200 BER/d? =P [29-Jan-25 06:16 AM] jvaler#0000 tbh i'll probably just shove it all on the CX [29-Jan-25 06:16 AM] jvaler#0000 same goes for CLI & AL [29-Jan-25 06:18 AM] jvaler#0000 and i get to shut down vulcan BGO/BRO early yay [29-Jan-25 07:57 AM] jcheung#0000 F1NM was the last person from ADI to buy BER from me, idk if they still need [29-Jan-25 07:57 AM] jcheung#0000 AL... is the AL at vulcan? [29-Jan-25 07:58 AM] realharvey#0000 do you produce BER? [29-Jan-25 08:00 AM] jcheung#0000 wait [29-Jan-25 08:00 AM] jcheung#0000 oh [29-Jan-25 08:00 AM] jcheung#0000 no, i make BE ๐Ÿ˜“ [29-Jan-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 @jvaler i'll take BER ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jan-25 08:14 AM] jvaler#0000 it was 200 AIC/u with rise, sound good? [29-Jan-25 08:14 AM] jcheung#0000 are you winding the base down? [29-Jan-25 08:15 AM] jvaler#0000 nope [29-Jan-25 08:15 AM] jvaler#0000 well, not yet anyways [29-Jan-25 08:15 AM] jvaler#0000 it's pretty low maintenance since i just hand off all the export logi to ANT LM(darkfuel) [29-Jan-25 08:15 AM] jcheung#0000 i'll do 300/u [29-Jan-25 08:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i don't consume that much BER though, maybe i make more AMLs ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jan-25 08:16 AM] jvaler#0000 :o [29-Jan-25 08:17 AM] jcheung#0000 ~~i mean if you want less i'll do less~~ [29-Jan-25 08:17 AM] jvaler#0000 nonono [29-Jan-25 08:17 AM] jvaler#0000 i like money [29-Jan-25 08:18 AM] realharvey#0000 I take any excess BER for a while [29-Jan-25 08:18 AM] realharvey#0000 happily [29-Jan-25 08:18 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/oLxd.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-like-money-frito-idiocracy-gif-3480249 idiocracy https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uaptC4NF0P57EaoTJhhWLhDt2Eklymcgi9uksDWVLu0/https/media.tenor.com/tPLKdGTxM9gAAAAe/i-like-money-frito.png [29-Jan-25 08:18 AM] realharvey#0000 I pay 600 AIC/u [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jvaler#0000 if multiple people are gonna be taking the BER i'll just add it to my internal offer so it has live inventory [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jvaler#0000 wait wut [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jcheung#0000 damn harvey is gonna steal all the BER [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jvaler#0000 isn't that way over CX? i haven't looked at it in months [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jcheung#0000 no [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah up to like 1000 BER. I need for the buffer [29-Jan-25 08:19 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1334166149855973376/image.png?ex=6814d48d&is=6813830d&hm=2d876fb00a25c985342c96a4ed37c03e7f64efc9739e23f29127c5e931c48dfb& [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] realharvey#0000 I bought a big portion of ANT :D [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] jvaler#0000 oh geez [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean 600 is a little high [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] jcheung#0000 but it's at least been ~400 for a while {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1334166287395455039/image.png?ex=6814d4ae&is=6813832e&hm=1b3fa7b0adbd169152573ae70a30088ba373acfb0a0efe944b6f0339604d5e6d& [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] realharvey#0000 considering 978 AIC could be made its a in between offer [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] realharvey#0000 and its for the first buffer [29-Jan-25 08:20 AM] jvaler#0000 that assumes anyone is crazy enough to buy at 900 [29-Jan-25 08:21 AM] realharvey#0000 maybe on a regular base I'd go down to 400 [29-Jan-25 08:21 AM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't be surprised if some came down from north antares at 900/u {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jan-25 08:22 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/full-house-olsen-twins-spaghetti-eat-eating-gif-8020408 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/full-house-olsen-twins-spaghetti-eat-eating-gif-8020408 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yB96eGLCVDgk3aAr_8xxtJpvj77gl_GhYuqs4HeUcIg/https/media.tenor.com/Z-DgE0MKQFkAAAAe/full-house-olsen-twins.png [29-Jan-25 08:22 AM] realharvey#0000 anyhow this is me with BER for a while [29-Jan-25 10:47 PM] evov#0000 400 is about the breakpoint for me. Below 400 and I'll buy it. Over 400 and I'll look at putting down a base for 3-6months to build up a stockpile of it myself. [30-Jan-25 10:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 appearently I've got 56 days worth of BER to go through at my current usage rate [31-Jan-25 01:38 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @muralanteater what do you want to do with your farms on harmonia? [31-Jan-25 01:50 AM] muralanteater#0000 I'm kinda unsure where to go from here. I kinda wanna build "tall" if that makes sense. Fewer bases but more robust development. I've got 500k ready to invest, HER farming has been good so far. But I'm not sure how reliably I can source DDT given the lack of supply atm. Its late for me, might not reply till tommorow. Thanks for your input. [31-Jan-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 remove the rigs [31-Jan-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 H20 is so cheap [31-Jan-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 that you're losing money by pumping it [31-Jan-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 FRM don't consume that much water [31-Jan-25 02:28 AM] laaxus#0000 ah wait, the rigs are for the FP ? [31-Jan-25 02:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe im just sceptical but I think H2O will go up in the not to near future [31-Jan-25 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As long as Zipatsu is with us, water will be cheap [31-Jan-25 02:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just believe in Zipatsu {Reactions} H2O [31-Jan-25 02:46 AM] brelov#0000 I removed my rigs because they're so worn down :> Gonna save on worker upkeep [31-Jan-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 just offer 5% of your soul towards zipatsu cult, and you should be protected [31-Jan-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, prun is a game in which there's no long term decision [31-Jan-25 02:56 AM] laaxus#0000 if h20 becomes expensive again, just build rigs at that moment [31-Jan-25 03:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Water is temporary, Zipatsu is for eternity {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [31-Jan-25 11:16 AM] muralanteater#0000 Thanks, I'll do this and maybe build more farms. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Jan-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 you can't go wrong with FRMs [03-Feb-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 # Weekly Player Report Week 5 -- 27.01.2025 - 02.02.2025 ## Harmonia joined: 18 left: 18 **net 0** ## Deimos joined: 23 left: 16 **net: +7** ## Phobos joined: 14 left: 17 **net: -3** ### Total "new" players this week: 4 (data is collected by counting the "joined" and "left" messages in the APEX planet chats) {Reactions} โค๏ธ (2) [03-Feb-25 06:16 AM] tanda#0000 Player trend is great, but every new player coming into the game is a fresh chance to actually get someone engaged. Thank you for this data! [03-Feb-25 06:44 AM] magican1980#0000 I think H2O will strike up because the 1 Mio sell Order is no more [03-Feb-25 06:45 AM] tanda#0000 most likely [03-Feb-25 06:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just posted another recruitment ad on Deimos and Harmonia. If anybody could repeat it on Phobos, I would appreciate that ๐Ÿ˜Š [03-Feb-25 06:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 already way up [03-Feb-25 06:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1335955094566600744/Screenshot_2025-02-03_at_8.48.30_PM.png?ex=6814bf23&is=68136da3&hm=3cfe9167dff05a7d2e100f9bd929ab4b5432b3c65083bbc5250b6ecc695182d4& [03-Feb-25 06:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 i bought 7k H2O right before Jvaler ate up the last ~50k H2O from the 1 mil [03-Feb-25 06:49 AM] magican1980#0000 most of my water from Etherwind goes into my Carbon and Ration productions [03-Feb-25 06:51 AM] magican1980#0000 if some people stop production of DW - I hope the price will fall, my DW-Production is changed today to rations for antares CX [03-Feb-25 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 I think multiple people are stopping DW production here soon. I'm swapping in a day, for instance. Won't be buying water for that purpose again [03-Feb-25 06:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 YESSSS [03-Feb-25 06:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 no more competitors :D {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Feb-25 06:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have some production capability for RAT so il do that for a quick minute before DW prices (hopefully) rise [03-Feb-25 06:53 AM] magican1980#0000 my 23k weekly DW for antares are no more and I plan to stick for rations [03-Feb-25 06:53 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah market will wiggle [03-Feb-25 06:54 AM] laaxus#0000 and stabilize in a week or two [03-Feb-25 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 just remember to stock up some HER if possible and flip some of your RAT to FIM starting in about 2-3 weeks [03-Feb-25 06:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats a massive amount [03-Feb-25 06:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 that alone should make market stangnate no? [03-Feb-25 06:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 will see what money I have left [03-Feb-25 06:56 AM] magican1980#0000 23k per week of 300k is not much [03-Feb-25 06:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~8% of market ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [03-Feb-25 06:57 AM] magican1980#0000 but all CX's have a oversupply of DW ๐Ÿ™‚ ... atm top2 of carbon for the last week 1x production at CX Benten and Antares [03-Feb-25 07:26 AM] jvaler#0000 250k ๐Ÿคญ [03-Feb-25 07:26 AM] jvaler#0000 should last me ~100d of production [03-Feb-25 07:27 AM] jvaler#0000 but if it breaches lowstrife's 50/u orders i might resell some [03-Feb-25 07:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Thats why it all dissapeared lol [03-Feb-25 07:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Good idea to resell lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜• [03-Feb-25 07:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Major money to be made for essentially free [03-Feb-25 07:30 AM] jvaler#0000 i decided to heed lowstrife's advice and it's not strictly scalping... cause i do use the water myself =P [03-Feb-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Zipatsu saves the day [03-Feb-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 180k H2O back on {Reactions} โœŒ๏ธ [03-Feb-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [03-Feb-25 08:47 AM] laaxus#0000 i'm happy that I have been before every trend major trend I produced PE before it was cool I produced HER and FIM before it was cool [03-Feb-25 12:40 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿฅน {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336043584142442658/image.png?ex=6815118c&is=6813c00c&hm=4e17b7fc25ef675e4accd5bfd2fa95a9fbec1650f1bd683a0863ec51d19a8792& [03-Feb-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 _eyes all the red and yellow_ [03-Feb-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 need to stop slacking off [03-Feb-25 12:49 PM] jcheung#0000 really easy to justify slacking off though when all my money is hiding from me [03-Feb-25 12:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh Iโ€™ve got some that are always red [03-Feb-25 12:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Love not having enough space for 10000 AL ๐Ÿ˜Š {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [03-Feb-25 12:56 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and yet, I have no money ๐Ÿคฃ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336047778677133454/image.png?ex=68151575&is=6813c3f5&hm=aeddeccd9d8c617d70928d29a0b981c852ac7494b0285a14194f91f065bc184c& [03-Feb-25 01:13 PM] tanda#0000 Look how much you have at ANT, lol [03-Feb-25 01:15 PM] igfloz#0000 exactly !!! PSK has a lot to answer for ( I sent you a cont @tanda ) [03-Feb-25 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 hey @tanda is your food project going to be overproducing water? [03-Feb-25 06:47 PM] tanda#0000 Yes, initially [04-Feb-25 01:07 AM] magican1980#0000 I use my produced Water for myself for 2x Carbon and 2x Rations with HYF and there is a watersink [05-Feb-25 02:35 AM] laaxus#0000 @tanda how often do you repair a PP3 base ? [05-Feb-25 03:12 AM] realharvey#0000 Prunplanner recommends 90 days {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336625385638727721/image.png?ex=68148c65&is=68133ae5&hm=65c79cbaa7012599729420498a299794f2d5e2845e5193748da7ff522e757507& [05-Feb-25 03:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah but I'm not sure about that math [05-Feb-25 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Imo, it should be the minimum of cost per day, including loss of production [05-Feb-25 03:14 AM] laaxus#0000 not just "the day before the biggest jump" [05-Feb-25 03:20 AM] evov#0000 Yea, not sure what's included in the calcs. Doesn't look like productivity drop's are included in those calcs though. [05-Feb-25 03:22 AM] jvaler#0000 moonsugartravels' repair calculator is more accurate [05-Feb-25 03:31 AM] realharvey#0000 is this the one we got in #prun-resources ? [05-Feb-25 03:31 AM] jvaler#0000 yup [05-Feb-25 03:31 AM] jvaler#0000 first link in the spreadsheet section [05-Feb-25 05:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 Just throwing out an idea, wouldnt it be insanely lucrative for me to lease permits? [05-Feb-25 05:04 AM] pagy1234#0000 Saw someone post that they lease permits in UFO, and thought that since my HQ upgrades are cheap as hell for me rn, it could be good to upgrade to like level 8 or something and lease 5 permits temporarily [05-Feb-25 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 Some like that [05-Feb-25 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 some doesn't [05-Feb-25 05:15 AM] jvaler#0000 permit leasing usually requires you to handle sending all the contracts, so if you don't renew your PRO it's not viable [05-Feb-25 05:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 I mean, I give out the permits to other people? [05-Feb-25 05:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 The example I am looking at on UFO says that the person who wants the permit has to deal with shipping and conts [05-Feb-25 05:30 AM] laaxus#0000 permit leasing doesn't mean you're giving out the permit [05-Feb-25 05:31 AM] laaxus#0000 it means you're managing a base for someone else [05-Feb-25 05:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yes I know, but Im basing this idea off and example that doesnt need all that [05-Feb-25 05:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 Lemme just link it here [05-Feb-25 05:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1333956112029847624/1333956112029847624 [05-Feb-25 05:34 AM] laaxus#0000 you still need pro or basic to be able to accept conts [05-Feb-25 05:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‘ [05-Feb-25 05:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ofc [05-Feb-25 05:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 ^ [05-Feb-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah it's financially interesting I took one at the start However, liike loans, it quickly took the fun out of the game [05-Feb-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 so, you do you [05-Feb-25 05:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ok ok [05-Feb-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 not all lease are equivalent tho [05-Feb-25 05:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 Howcome? [05-Feb-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 rise gave me a 40k/d for a lease [05-Feb-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 other deal I saw was like 20k [05-Feb-25 05:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 What drives the price difference? [05-Feb-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 whatever the seller decide [05-Feb-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 the market is very illiquid [05-Feb-25 05:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh lol, [05-Feb-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 some find 20k ok, I find it very bad [05-Feb-25 05:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 Depending on the players HQ level, leasing for 20k a day could be amazing instead of blasting 10 mil on the next hq level [05-Feb-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 the main pro of a leased base is certain income to edge uncertainty [05-Feb-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 however now I have an IDC base that do that but 10 times better [05-Feb-25 05:38 AM] laaxus#0000 so leased base quickly became useless [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Il do some surveying first then [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ask around if ppl are interested or smt [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 remember that leased base are zero risk income [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 and therefore, income is adjusted [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 For me 20k a day is amazing though [05-Feb-25 05:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 Even if its 10k it would be great [05-Feb-25 05:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, at at point, might as well just take a loan [05-Feb-25 05:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 And make a base myself? [05-Feb-25 05:40 AM] laaxus#0000 and make a SME base for example [05-Feb-25 05:40 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 AL is low risk low income [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 will always sell [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 but profit is low (hence why I don't have SME) [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 I made a plan for a HAL base not too long ago [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 AL != HAL [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 ? [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 Huh [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] laaxus#0000 AL is alluminium [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 Ohhh [05-Feb-25 05:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 Hal is the ore? [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh lmao [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 For my standards the profit looked solid [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 Conparable to my DW base [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 HAL has high profits [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 but high shipping cost [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] laaxus#0000 so lower profits overall [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 Fair [05-Feb-25 05:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 My shipping costs are extravagant [05-Feb-25 05:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe 10k a day? [05-Feb-25 05:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 On just fuel [05-Feb-25 05:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 Il weight my options [05-Feb-25 05:44 AM] laaxus#0000 shipping cost is not only fuel [05-Feb-25 05:45 AM] laaxus#0000 it's about shipping capacity [05-Feb-25 05:46 AM] laaxus#0000 if you need one whole ship doing trip back and forth constantly [05-Feb-25 05:46 AM] laaxus#0000 then the cost of that ship should be included in the base cost [05-Feb-25 06:01 AM] magican1980#0000 If I want to make a new H2O and DW Base I look for - How much must I invest in HQ (atm. 3 Mio) - how much I need to invest in the bases (H2O + FP) ~2-2.5 Mio - Need I a new ship, yes LCB ~5-6 Mio ... So I need a investment of about 10-12 Mio [05-Feb-25 06:01 AM] laaxus#0000 you should also evaluates the risk [05-Feb-25 06:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 maaaann, i liked it better when fuel was the only cost๐Ÿ˜† I have a second ship I can still upgrade to massively expand my shipping potential [05-Feb-25 06:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats def the next thing il do if shipping becomes a constraint [05-Feb-25 06:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 but since produce RAT on the side of DW my shipping usage has gone down a decent chunk [05-Feb-25 06:18 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Everything has an opportunity cost. You also have the cost of your time preplanning a base. If it is more fun for you to ignore that, you can. ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Feb-25 06:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah ik ik, im just joking around, for now im better off expanding my current bases to 500 area though so most of that isnt part of my costs, will be a while till I get another ship i think [05-Feb-25 06:21 AM] magican1980#0000 On the planets you produce your items you get over time experts, use them. with 4 experts up to 20 % Bonus [05-Feb-25 06:21 AM] pagy1234#0000 i have 4 on my FP base :D [05-Feb-25 06:24 AM] magican1980#0000 your are new here and dont let it stress you. expand your base slowly. If you need help, ask. There are lot older people out there who can help answer your questions. [05-Feb-25 06:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, thanks [05-Feb-25 06:52 AM] magican1980#0000 the very early phase can expand up to 6 Months, so dont let anyone stress you. Let the time run and see if you want to stick to this game - What older people hope ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Feb-25 07:10 AM] tanda#0000 Yes please stick around. New players are great, but 6+ month players make things *happen* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [05-Feb-25 07:30 AM] magican1980#0000 if you stick with rations and make your own inputs on Harmonia you will get good profits ๐Ÿ™‚, even if the prices drop to the old range [05-Feb-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 if anybody is going to phobos soon ... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336725213441949716/image.png?ex=6814e95e&is=681397de&hm=f33692e2cc8c3bb2b5847317fd3b2a2f0fbc350ff27f69dbdbeb9cbc81019406& [05-Feb-25 09:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Lots of smol stuff [05-Feb-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Upgraded HQ to 19, forgot that lvl 20 was free [05-Feb-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 rookie mistake [05-Feb-25 09:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah [05-Feb-25 09:49 AM] .urpalhal#0000 What a newb [05-Feb-25 09:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I *can* do a round trip, I just don't want to [05-Feb-25 09:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 *isnt lvl 20 myself* :RSSpyAnyaSweat: [05-Feb-25 09:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 If theyโ€™re still there when I get up to my PC Iโ€™ll accept them [05-Feb-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, I'm not using all my permits yet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336725941723861102/image.png?ex=6814ea0b&is=6813988b&hm=4dec05e674a6280cb12e236cc6a6d6ee01ebc17c13da98e573f41a13f8ca5d58& [05-Feb-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 but I'm expanding fast [05-Feb-25 09:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah fair [05-Feb-25 09:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I am expanding maybe [05-Feb-25 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 @tanda just put a pp3 on 759a {Reactions} โ“ [05-Feb-25 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 so I would need settlers and technicians [05-Feb-25 09:59 AM] laaxus#0000 i'd be to happy to participate in programs to get that population [05-Feb-25 10:05 AM] laaxus#0000 oh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1336729433461227521/image.png?ex=6814ed4c&is=68139bcc&hm=32b162de522b8736c3d241765099e057a303a25e7df65c76b58c725a6af6cea6& [05-Feb-25 10:05 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah I demolished my base, I'll wait your answer [05-Feb-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 i don't know about insanely [05-Feb-25 10:24 AM] jcheung#0000 but i think a lot of us started with leased bases [05-Feb-25 10:26 AM] jcheung#0000 i was tossing around the idea of leasing bases from people for 75-100k/day but i need more ships before i could ever do that [05-Feb-25 10:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 for 100k a day its surely better to just buy your HQ levels, right? [05-Feb-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 100k a day ???? [05-Feb-25 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 A week you mean right ? Lol [05-Feb-25 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 A fair Price imo is 50k [05-Feb-25 10:47 AM] laaxus#0000 70k is a steal [05-Feb-25 10:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 I could certainly provide a permit for 10% of what ever you produce there per week :D (T+C's apply ๐Ÿ˜› ) [05-Feb-25 10:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 serious offer btw, not my usuall tomfoolery [05-Feb-25 10:58 AM] jcheung#0000 no, a day. [05-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 Why would you pay 100k a day for a lease ?? [05-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 100k would be one of the best possible base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [05-Feb-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 You could just put a bid for that Price lol [05-Feb-25 11:01 AM] jcheung#0000 1) someone who is leasing out their base needs it more than i do-it's not all about profits 2) price stability is actually really nice 3) there's actually several things i would never want from the CX but i would take on planet for a premium [05-Feb-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 You could still pay 60k, and it would be a very good Price [05-Feb-25 11:02 AM] jcheung#0000 also, being paid above CX would incentivize the person to renew [05-Feb-25 11:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I would have kept a 60k leased base for like 6-9 months [05-Feb-25 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 uh huh. and how long would you keep a 100k leased base for [05-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Forever ? Lol [05-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 100k risk free ??? [05-Feb-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Ofc I take it [05-Feb-25 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 in other words, i don't have to worry about replacing you on short notice? [05-Feb-25 11:04 AM] jcheung#0000 my supply is guaranteed, i don't have to ship really bulky items 2 days away? [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~~I can do the same for 95k !~~ [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 Unless I quit the game, and even then I would give a 1 month notice [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] laaxus#0000 do you plan to take pro ? [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh ya i forgot [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] jcheung#0000 would work with basic [05-Feb-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wont get, on pro code rn [05-Feb-25 11:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 Wtv, cancel idea then [05-Feb-25 11:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 This pro license stuff is so frustrating [05-Feb-25 11:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 No idea atp if Il be able to get it ๐Ÿ˜” [05-Feb-25 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 That planet doesn't have the infrastructure to really support TECs at this time. Looks like about 400k price tag for the PAR we'll need. TEC immigration will cost about 50k a week, with approx 3 weeks to fill the TEC need. I will not have access to GOV until after this next POPR [06-Feb-25 02:39 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain-gif-22507163 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/k9ZfsqSECGf8Xy_lad4fedV0eu-SOKQnXdnzOXXMD7E/https/media.tenor.com/nYdAr6rffx0AAAAe/an-emoji-disintegrating-in-pain.png [06-Feb-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll finance the infrastructure needed [06-Feb-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 meanwhile I'll move the base elsewhere [06-Feb-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 I really valued being so close to the CX [06-Feb-25 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to have the base 1 day away ... [06-Feb-25 05:46 AM] tanda#0000 Understandable. It probably is time to get some higher value industry on there. TSH cost is kinda steep for PIO/SET only [06-Feb-25 03:53 PM] laaxus#0000 Could you give me the shopping list for the required PAR please ? [06-Feb-25 07:39 PM] tanda#0000 PAR- 20 BSE 16 BBH 16 BDE 10 BTA 300 MCG 100 SOI HABs x5 - (UPF) 30 BBH 50 BDE 50 BSE 300 SOI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1337236346749849693/image.png?ex=6814cb25&is=681379a5&hm=407260bb63df5f67b57e1b786680b1a258166722f7676ce75eb999b6bab8ea2c& [06-Feb-25 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 last time I needed HABs, I brought the stuff out to Hal's UPFs out in IY [06-Feb-25 07:40 PM] tanda#0000 long trek, but worth it over dropping a little used module [06-Feb-25 07:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I might move my UPFsโ€ฆ [06-Feb-25 08:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So itโ€™s not quite the trek [07-Feb-25 02:49 AM] potaterror#0000 Oh, y'all need some SOI? [07-Feb-25 03:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Oh no, my sfk bid is almost filled ... [07-Feb-25 03:02 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1337528921230409748/Screenshot_20250207-220156.png?ex=68148a20&is=681338a0&hm=82ae9ccfa568d36f9bfc41d12efc685ad74932ccf7a5213989f982693877a4a6& [07-Feb-25 03:02 PM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/clock-closet-gif-21176249 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/clock-closet-gif-21176249 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yLmo1p69jGldPPlbCnWZk0E35dof6oEu471_zfRghXk/https/media.tenor.com/oOj04H_wpN4AAAAe/clock-closet.png [08-Feb-25 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 My sheet is broken [08-Feb-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 and I don't know why [08-Feb-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm crying [08-Feb-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 time to redo it I guess [08-Feb-25 04:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Nah, I honestly am not motivated enough [08-Feb-25 08:24 AM] jcheung#0000 Can't backtrace? [08-Feb-25 08:38 AM] laaxus#0000 The logic did not change [08-Feb-25 08:38 AM] laaxus#0000 The sheet has been unchanged for 5 month [08-Feb-25 08:39 AM] laaxus#0000 but for some reason, it stopped working correctly [08-Feb-25 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 Again, find an error and backtrace it ๐Ÿ˜œ One of the more common errors i see is accidentally dragging a cell over an input cell [08-Feb-25 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, the sheet is such a spagethi [08-Feb-25 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 And I created it so long ago [08-Feb-25 08:49 AM] laaxus#0000 it's hard [08-Feb-25 08:49 AM] jcheung#0000 Heh [08-Feb-25 08:50 AM] jcheung#0000 One last thing. If it was unchanged for 5 months, go back in the change log and revert to a version 2 months ago [08-Feb-25 08:51 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not a change that made the error [08-Feb-25 08:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Just do it to see if it was an unintentional change [08-Feb-25 08:51 AM] laaxus#0000 it's an error coming from a non handeled case [08-Feb-25 08:51 AM] laaxus#0000 already tried [08-Feb-25 08:51 AM] jcheung#0000 Eh? Did the input data structure change? [08-Feb-25 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 not the structure [08-Feb-25 08:53 AM] laaxus#0000 sometimes, values are missing and the like [08-Feb-25 08:55 AM] jcheung#0000 Huh... [08-Feb-25 08:56 AM] jcheung#0000 Don't have to answer this, but what did the sheet do again? [08-Feb-25 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Oh I might have found the culprit [08-Feb-25 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 oh, found it [08-Feb-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Take it out back and put er down [08-Feb-25 08:58 AM] laaxus#0000 somehow, there's one more line in the prices sheet imported from fio [08-Feb-25 08:58 AM] jcheung#0000 HCB probably {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Feb-25 08:59 AM] jcheung#0000 Things like that are why i like to just read the whole column, like a2:d [08-Feb-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 SHEET IS FIXED [08-Feb-25 09:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Hope no new material will be added ever again ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Feb-25 09:49 AM] jcheung#0000 haha [08-Feb-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1337813027877290005/image.png?ex=6814e9f9&is=68139879&hm=8f51a3c7572b0f741329bae84a1a37a9448bc53a1f586fd2edc148ee8e8922ed& [08-Feb-25 09:52 AM] laaxus#0000 -# don't mind the right of the screen shot [08-Feb-25 09:53 AM] jcheung#0000 gateway will add several more [08-Feb-25 09:56 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/pomni-going-insane-the-amazing-digital-circus-existential-crisis-goodbye-gif-11245718107768489097 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/pomni-going-insane-the-amazing-digital-circus-existential-crisis-goodbye-gif-11245718107768489097 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/m6pUTq-k16aJ4MV_Jy2ht2vFw_ouSi733RxckrmumS0/https/media.tenor.com/nBDRCWG4BIkAAAAe/pomni-going-insane.png [08-Feb-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 hah [08-Feb-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 well, you have two things in your favor [08-Feb-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 1) you know what the failure point would be 2) you have time to adjust [08-Feb-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bF85A.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/knowing-is-half-the-battle-flint-gung-ho-lady-jaye-snake-eyes-gif-22398704 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yFak5pPUeyyfcYpRKB_C7nxPjI8J0qVqva7L3SwawRs/https/media.tenor.com/v8Jj8QteDHEAAAAe/knowing-is-half-the-battle-flint.png [08-Feb-25 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I have no time to fix the spaghetti [08-Feb-25 10:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 just gonna come out to rep power query again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [08-Feb-25 10:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 for situations like this it's useful because it'll drop everything into a table in excel and then you can just index in the table rather than using the whole column [08-Feb-25 02:13 PM] wikifeia#0000 What are the nearest TIO extraction cogcโ€™s to ANT? [08-Feb-25 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 I use SE-648c [08-Feb-25 02:14 PM] igfloz#0000 How much do you need ? I have some stock at ANT ? [08-Feb-25 02:15 PM] wikifeia#0000 None currently, Iโ€™ll let you know. Thanks! [08-Feb-25 02:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 QUERY() is my best friend [08-Feb-25 03:48 PM] potaterror#0000 Got two permits spent on undeveloped planets because I've put empire rework behind making a proper sheet that'll actually import inventory and market data, and looking at discussions like this just immediately slots the task into the same mental labor pool as teaching myself a new CAD program or setting up pfsense, or Koha, or digesting building codes. On the plus side, that probably means a gateway network will be up before I do it! [08-Feb-25 03:51 PM] tanda#0000 I've been pushing off an expansion of my shipping helper sheet for a while too [08-Feb-25 03:51 PM] tanda#0000 you can do it! [08-Feb-25 04:17 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I'll get there eventually. It's not sinking me or anything. [09-Feb-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Hello @jvaler [09-Feb-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd like to take a loan for a ship [09-Feb-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 so around 6M [09-Feb-25 07:06 AM] laaxus#0000 nvm, your capital should be going for new player and their ship [09-Feb-25 10:01 AM] jvaler#0000 that cuts it a little close for me right now... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1338177987149041778/image.png?ex=6814ec5e&is=68139ade&hm=fb8c4af05aa59e9e4293df17f1230f70ccee17ad820e5c088f8de892952b3675& [09-Feb-25 10:02 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, hence why I took a loan elsewhere I'd rather you use your cash to help financing the ships of new players ๐Ÿ˜„ [09-Feb-25 10:02 AM] jvaler#0000 fair [09-Feb-25 10:02 AM] jvaler#0000 PSK has been picking up a bit lately which is nice [09-Feb-25 10:02 AM] jvaler#0000 but it's certainly putting downward pressure on my bank account [09-Feb-25 10:17 AM] wikifeia#0000 what's the command to view trade volume for a commodity at a CX? [09-Feb-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 CXM [09-Feb-25 10:19 AM] wikifeia#0000 thanks! [13-Feb-25 01:16 PM] wikifeia#0000 Is there any way to request termination of a faction contract? [13-Feb-25 01:16 PM] laaxus#0000 you let it expire [13-Feb-25 01:20 PM] wikifeia#0000 Thereโ€™s no penalty? [13-Feb-25 01:21 PM] laaxus#0000 you lose braging points [13-Feb-25 01:21 PM] wikifeia#0000 Fair enough lol [14-Feb-25 11:59 PM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'm torn between expanding Deimos and topping up to the 500 area, and focusing on Prominator, and import my DW, and RAT to Deimos. I also have plans to expand Deimos to 750 area and have it produce it's own C, and more AL making the base much more efficient and reducing my shipping costs by a ton. As of right now I am moving my current surplus from Prom to Deimos but it's not enough to fully supply the base. [15-Feb-25 12:01 AM] jcheung#0000 what's holding you back [15-Feb-25 12:01 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'm in a state where I'm just going to be collecting some wealth from my current bases as it is a decent amount and save up about 500k. I should only need about 250k to expand either base. I'm producing about 75 AL a day rn [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I just need to pick a direction to focus on as I shouldnt do both ta once [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] jcheung#0000 how's your shipping [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I am using 1 ship, not all the time [15-Feb-25 12:02 AM] jcheung#0000 and how do you feel about loans (not from me) [15-Feb-25 12:03 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'm open to loans, but I'm in no rush, I got the AGP grant to setup my Deimos base not too long ago, it'll take a week maybe for me to raise my target funds [15-Feb-25 12:03 AM] jcheung#0000 there's a few people that you can get loans at decent rates from [15-Feb-25 12:03 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah I may look into that more, but I still need to decide what base to focus on next lol [15-Feb-25 12:04 AM] jcheung#0000 the one that's cheaper to run [15-Feb-25 12:04 AM] jcheung#0000 or one with better ROI [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 That'd be prom as I'm only buying OVE to operate the base, but I feel Deimos will be more profit [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I've done a prun planner on both [15-Feb-25 12:05 AM] jcheung#0000 why only OVE [15-Feb-25 12:06 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I am producing DW and RAT and selling them [15-Feb-25 12:07 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Prom is only using 159 area rn, so I'm not using coffee or PWO rn [15-Feb-25 12:08 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I think my building costs are a lot less if I focus on Deimos, so I'll probably do that [15-Feb-25 12:11 AM] jcheung#0000 should use PWO [15-Feb-25 12:11 AM] jcheung#0000 it's worth it [15-Feb-25 12:12 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 Yeah you're probably right [15-Feb-25 12:30 AM] vanarazor#0000 and what about COF [15-Feb-25 12:31 AM] potaterror#0000 Lux consumables are pretty much always worth it, and if they aren't, it's a real good sign that the base isn't either. [15-Feb-25 12:33 AM] evov#0000 Prom - buy whatever you need, make HER Deimos - buy whatever you need, make (whatever you you feel like. AL is always a high volume item) If cashflow is a concern - On Prom - I'll give you a 2week contract (I give you $ now, you deliver in 2 weeks) however much HER you know you'll be able to make at 3000/u On Deimos - I'll give you a 2 week contract (I give you $ now, you deliver in 2 weeks) however much AL you know you'll be able to make at 800/u You can deliver these things on planet so you don't need to worry about shipping them off. [15-Feb-25 12:36 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'd love to make Deimos a 750 area base, I want tall bases as it is better for my time I am able to check in and play [15-Feb-25 12:36 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Do it [15-Feb-25 12:37 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I plan to, just need to roll in the cash over time :p [15-Feb-25 12:38 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I already for the materials for my HQ upgrade, so in a week or so I'll have the funds to upgrade the buildings [15-Feb-25 12:38 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 I'ma make so much AL :p [15-Feb-25 12:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could take up EvoVโ€™s offer to get some cash and add a few buildings [15-Feb-25 01:01 AM] mzevilcanadian#0000 75/day now over 2 weeks is 840k, and I need about 600k in materials to expand it to the 750 area plan, but i'll be producing 107 per day which equates to about 1.2 mil [15-Feb-25 01:23 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean put together a plan and ask? Worst he can say is no {Reactions} valid [15-Feb-25 03:04 PM] potaterror#0000 DNPC might be looking for a Deimos AL smelter as well. [15-Feb-25 03:04 PM] potaterror#0000 If you're looking for immediate buildout funds and a steady income. [15-Feb-25 04:45 PM] tanda#0000 So as an update. I've gone ahead and ran a TEC immigration for A2A, as well as dropped and supplied a PAR. Archiel's sheet suggests that we'll see an increase of 110 TECs next POPR [15-Feb-25 04:46 PM] tanda#0000 I'm planning on maintaining roughly the same fulfilment/growth/unemployment levels as YK-266c, so as to make the planet attractive overall for players [15-Feb-25 04:47 PM] tanda#0000 I am Also planning on dropping required infrastructure to grow and support TEC populations on Lom Palanka and Black Mesa probably in the next 3 weeks [15-Feb-25 04:48 PM] tanda#0000 my initial plan is to make them construction planets, but does anyone have input otherwise? [16-Feb-25 12:34 AM] potaterror#0000 @tanda I'm willing to supply SOI/BBH/BSE below market based on what was submitted to the Phobos admin nerds. You want me to send over contracts, or already sourced it elsewhere? [16-Feb-25 12:50 AM] tanda#0000 I haven't sourced anything yet. I need a couple permits to execute on these plans, so I need to get my ducks in a row first [16-Feb-25 12:51 AM] jcheung#0000 you have ducks? [16-Feb-25 12:51 AM] tanda#0000 sometimes! [16-Feb-25 12:53 AM] potaterror#0000 Righto. If you wanna send me conts for 80%ish of market whenever you want it (if you don't find them at a better price), I'll deliver at ANT. [16-Feb-25 12:53 AM] tanda#0000 fantastic, thank you. I will take you up on that offer soon [16-Feb-25 12:54 AM] potaterror#0000 I'll chuck some dirt on the next bird I have going that way so it should be waiting. [16-Feb-25 05:35 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 https://tenor.com/view/choaruiburey-vaguibu-gif-12324115614053945085 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/choaruiburey-vaguibu-gif-12324115614053945085 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rpNtivKGmiXrX4nUXXNz8Yl8D9WDw3IjVFVXE19qx6g/https/media.tenor.com/qwgN2uKHzv0AAAAe/choaruiburey-vaguibu.png [16-Feb-25 05:44 AM] laaxus#0000 ร‰lites don't want you to know but they're free [16-Feb-25 10:20 AM] jcheung#0000 Oh no you don't I'm not falling for the killer duck scam [17-Feb-25 11:39 AM] jab.sh#0000 can I recruit here? and is this the right channel? [17-Feb-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can but also [17-Feb-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 In #bulletin-board {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘† [17-Feb-25 11:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Youโ€™ll see nanoโ€™s post about BURN a lil bit up [17-Feb-25 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 Bye, Harmonia! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1341116779925209208/image.png?ex=68151155&is=6813bfd5&hm=7c398f8565a49df92ba2cc8f3fe2c7102ea15df7699c4d09596f9d079dc7eb70& {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก (7) ๐Ÿ˜ญ (6) [19-Feb-25 01:19 AM] wolftomoe#0000 Hi guys, I used to play this game earlier but apparently my data is lost, when I logged back in its asking me to pick starting planet [19-Feb-25 01:21 AM] jab.sh#0000 inactive accounts do get cleaned up [19-Feb-25 01:22 AM] wolftomoe#0000 what the he.. [19-Feb-25 01:23 AM] wolftomoe#0000 since when games like this started doing this? [19-Feb-25 01:46 AM] laaxus#0000 since the moment plot on planets are a limited resource {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [19-Feb-25 01:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and probably to safe resources, since computing infrastructure isn't that free [19-Feb-25 05:22 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/index.html#im-going-to-be-away-from-the-game-for-some-time-how-are-inactive-accounts-handled {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/faq/index.html FAQ :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [22-Feb-25 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 Hey boss, I went ahead and sent you a contract for the necessary BBH/BSE/SOI for the infrastructure [22-Feb-25 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 It begins {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1342922510068617226/image.png?ex=68150b8c&is=6813ba0c&hm=06de608d03e9d2f224e32579c09816db411b965729a2dc7f13a0b0eb1267e40c& [24-Feb-25 05:55 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1343551771280281612/image.png?ex=6814b298&is=68136118&hm=ff6a90af06b811434b8e0b3a92e7fd45e3e3c0b0cc5e13e6569c6aded36608de& {Reactions} SHPT (5) [24-Feb-25 09:00 AM] jvaler#0000 i forgor i made that emote lol [26-Feb-25 05:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 After CULT, which currently focuses on a variety of markets, and the newly founded Project CORGI, which focuses primarily on lfabs and rfabs, I would like to suggest another initiative Iโ€™m already working towards: the Antarean Resource Extraction Service, or ARES (thank you Laaxus for not taking that acronym ๐Ÿ˜…) The goal is to provide a stable and reliable metal prices and the required infrastructure to produce those, since they are the base of many industries and something we Antareans are good in (looking at Deimos and Vulcan ๐Ÿ‘€ ). In my experience I noticed, that all metals (except maybe AL) are kinda falling between the scope of early and end game. It requires an enormous amount of shipping, which makes it impossible for newer players, and at the same time returns a relative low profit, which doesnโ€™t make it attractive for established players. This project aims for the following goals: - a well established trade route network for ore and metal transportation between selected extraction and smelting planets - fixed 50k profit/permit for resource extraction and smelting bases, resulting in the lowest possible CX price for metals - support programs additionally to the AGP to recruit newer players [26-Feb-25 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not a fan of the fixed 50k per permit We need people outside of the ADI participating in such a large market [26-Feb-25 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm planning a leased base program which would be something like the following - contract is on a 45d basis, renewable - first term pay is 35k/d, others are at 50k - The lender doesn't have to give the base back once the contract ends [26-Feb-25 06:25 PM] jvaler#0000 50k per permit is kinda just what the market averages to from what i've seen, but i feel like that's way too low for metallurgy and resource extraction. they're some of the most logistically demanding industries and they aren't compensated enough for it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [26-Feb-25 06:27 PM] jvaler#0000 well at least AL is usually around 50k, resource extraction is often around 70k [27-Feb-25 01:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ore extraction and smelting are all PIO bases, so I donโ€™t think you can push out much profit out of them [27-Feb-25 01:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL is quite well established, probably because we have many new players starting with AL. [27-Feb-25 01:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho we could establish more ALO extraction and transport to Deimos to reduce logistical need and rise the profit a bit [27-Feb-25 01:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m sitting on the CU and AU market. There isnโ€™t much movement there, so I donโ€™t feel we need much more of it atm. [27-Feb-25 01:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The other ones (SI, LI, FE and STL) are more or less a Blackbox for me atm [27-Feb-25 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 My vision for an ADI ship project would be the following [27-Feb-25 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 we separate the parts into willing members [27-Feb-25 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 and then we sell the parts on the market [27-Feb-25 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 (nothing stop us from selling parts with a discount on the internal market) [27-Feb-25 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 The goal would be to allow players to buy and build ships at a competitive price [27-Feb-25 06:15 AM] laaxus#0000 without the need to go through the AFO [27-Feb-25 06:18 AM] realharvey#0000 Cheap ship materials on the CX will just get soaked up by other ship builders or resold at higher pricepoints [27-Feb-25 06:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Afaik EvoV is selling his ships for less then the individual parts are worth (how much he would get, if he sells the parts on the market) [27-Feb-25 06:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Rise once complained Evovs prices are too high, so he probably had similar schemes [27-Feb-25 06:21 AM] realharvey#0000 evo still has quite a high fast delivery tax on his prices in comparrison to other offers [27-Feb-25 06:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 One niche would be the parts ship builds arenโ€™t including in there prefabed ships [27-Feb-25 06:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho Archiel could probably tell more about how useful some parts are or not [27-Feb-25 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not saying we should sell them cheap on the cx [27-Feb-25 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm saying we should sell them at a competitive price [27-Feb-25 06:25 AM] laaxus#0000 EvoV price would be a good start [27-Feb-25 06:27 AM] realharvey#0000 I never saw Evo run out of stock. So we should aim for atleast 10% lower [27-Feb-25 06:30 AM] laaxus#0000 ofc we could aim lower [27-Feb-25 06:33 AM] realharvey#0000 to behonest I believe that PRUN is currently well supplied with ships [27-Feb-25 06:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Disagree Else shipbuilders wouldn't have month long waiting list [27-Feb-25 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 from what I remember being told about OOG's early shiplines, they focused on the money making parts every step of the way. So if something could be sold for good profit by itself before becoming a ship part, they made that and sold it, then turned around and made it into ships later [27-Feb-25 06:36 AM] tanda#0000 See this is the issue, honestly. One look at AIR alone was enough to discourage me from attempting to pursue shipbulding solo [27-Feb-25 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, ideally, we should be able to buy and sell on the cx at every steps [27-Feb-25 06:40 AM] laaxus#0000 while making money [27-Feb-25 06:40 AM] realharvey#0000 this is not true tho. I've currently waited 5-14 days until delivery. Evo has still stock, even OOG still has stock currently. [27-Feb-25 06:41 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah I tried to plan multiple things, but I always gave up midway through. [27-Feb-25 06:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I just wished buying parts on the market wasn't so pricy [27-Feb-25 06:44 AM] realharvey#0000 What we are currently lacking are super competetive priced ships like Rise did. But most of his permits where priced at 60k profit per day. Which is quite low when looking at other stuff [27-Feb-25 07:05 AM] zillatron#0000 The answer isn't cheaper ships, it's making more money to buy them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) ๐Ÿ’ฏ [27-Feb-25 07:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm working on that [27-Feb-25 07:08 AM] razenpok#0000 Just stop being poor, duh [27-Feb-25 07:09 AM] zillatron#0000 lol [27-Feb-25 07:09 AM] realharvey#0000 make graph go up and buy expensive ships [27-Feb-25 07:10 AM] zillatron#0000 ships arent cheap or easy to make, i really dont think squeezing profits out of them is sustainable [27-Feb-25 07:18 AM] tanda#0000 currently failing at that {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1344659921706418247/image.png?ex=6814c623&is=681374a3&hm=3b69275d96a73a23f52050a5814c40970290b68d6143fa86f63ed561624ba03c& {Reactions} rip dread [27-Feb-25 07:18 AM] zillatron#0000 you're not broke you'll be fine! [27-Feb-25 07:33 AM] realharvey#0000 I would live in constant anxiety with those numbers. [27-Feb-25 07:34 AM] realharvey#0000 Have you recently supplied all your bases? [27-Feb-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 same [27-Feb-25 07:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm starting to worry at like 3M of liquidity left [27-Feb-25 07:52 AM] realharvey#0000 yep I have about the same range [27-Feb-25 07:53 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Low cash balance just means you're maximizing your equity towards generating profit. [27-Feb-25 07:53 AM] laaxus#0000 Low cash balance makes you vulnerable to market unstability [27-Feb-25 07:53 AM] laaxus#0000 you might have to sell at bid and not at ask [27-Feb-25 07:54 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I only make things that are profitable to sell at bid ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Feb-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 Idem [27-Feb-25 07:54 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I just had a few days go by when I was above 5k cash balance. I don't know what to do with all this money! ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Feb-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 that's what I'm always recommending [27-Feb-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 but selling at ask ... is how you can make even more profit with the same production [27-Feb-25 07:55 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Sure, that's just one way to maximize your equity to generate profit though (by having less cash) [27-Feb-25 07:56 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 I guess, technically, I do make some PWO which frequently isn't profitable to sell at bid, but its a very small amount of my equity and it moves fast regardless. (and I'm vertically integrated, so I'm not subject to ask prices for inputs until we look at things like worker fuel). [27-Feb-25 11:03 AM] realharvey#0000 I have daily costs of 7 Mil, so I need to have quite a bit of liquidity [27-Feb-25 11:12 AM] evany.#0000 to be fair pricing like that only works when your so big that you can eat the losses elsewhere as someone that has spent a great deal of time going over ship production/pricing and trying to work out some equity - my baseline for psk was everyone would get 50k/day for their permit and while i think that has been true/successful (its been about 90days actually probably worthy of an audit) i still couldn't come anywhere near rise's prices. theres a reason he had such a big wait list and thats because he was likely selling at a loss for many things [27-Feb-25 11:31 AM] realharvey#0000 rise and his minions did produce everything themselfs. So nothing really was bought from the market [27-Feb-25 11:41 AM] evany.#0000 yeah we have very few things being picked up from CX, only when things didn't make sense to drop a base for basically. [27-Feb-25 11:41 AM] evany.#0000 basically if CX was cheaper than dropping a base, you pick from CX, and that turned out to be true at the time for several things [27-Feb-25 11:43 AM] evany.#0000 and its worth noting when i started the adi ship project my goal was 50k/base, i didn't really hold myself to that standard though, my 3 permits bases pull me around 10k/day each [27-Feb-25 11:43 AM] evany.#0000 and our prices are still quite above schaitr's by about 100-150k [27-Feb-25 11:44 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah stuff is crazy [27-Feb-25 11:44 AM] laaxus#0000 Schaitr doing gods work [27-Feb-25 11:45 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Whatโ€™s his wait list like tho ๐Ÿค” [27-Feb-25 11:46 AM] laaxus#0000 6 weeks [27-Feb-25 11:46 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Weโ€™ve got no wait list? [27-Feb-25 11:47 AM] evany.#0000 we have no wait list [27-Feb-25 11:47 AM] igfloz#0000 Just waiting for customers ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Feb-25 11:47 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And loans to help new players buy them [27-Feb-25 11:47 AM] evany.#0000 yes this is true, too. [27-Feb-25 11:47 AM] laaxus#0000 Let's note that schaitr is taking order from the hwole universe [27-Feb-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Valid [27-Feb-25 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But you do have to go to Hortus to get the stuff [27-Feb-25 11:48 AM] evany.#0000 this is true, i've done zero marketing outside antares [27-Feb-25 11:49 AM] evany.#0000 but I don't know that we would offer loans to players outside ADI. [27-Feb-25 11:50 AM] razenpok#0000 *Moria {Reactions} ASPTeehee [27-Feb-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 My bad [27-Feb-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe we should consider? [27-Feb-25 11:51 AM] realharvey#0000 not sure. You should talk to the bank of jvaler [27-Feb-25 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I kinda agree about the no loans outside of ADI [27-Feb-25 11:51 AM] .urpalhal#0000 We arenโ€™t allocator or lowstrife [27-Feb-25 11:51 AM] evany.#0000 i would say no loans outside of ADI, but jvalers decision ultimately there [27-Feb-25 11:51 AM] evany.#0000 as far as selling, yes its probably time to sort that out [27-Feb-25 11:52 AM] razenpok#0000 *allocater [27-Feb-25 11:52 AM] razenpok#0000 :kekw: [27-Feb-25 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-8847630 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-8847630 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znUglH8FQo3gUMUM3YMAXLtBiGj3kSuErS_xNSwjucQ/https/media.tenor.com/jHxwK5ZL0oMAAAAe/cat-sleep.png [27-Feb-25 11:53 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I canโ€™t spell and remember things wrong ๐Ÿ˜– {Reactions} Oops (2) [27-Feb-25 11:54 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Forgib me razenpok ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ [27-Feb-25 11:55 AM] razenpok#0000 You are forgobben [27-Feb-25 11:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Mercy buckets [27-Feb-25 12:14 PM] sidepipe#0000 An extra 150k in exchange for no waitlist compared to Schaitr probably isnโ€™t a bad deal either, even without a loan {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Feb-25 12:22 PM] realharvey#0000 thats really not much for quick delivery [27-Feb-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Make people in mor come to ant for ship parts [27-Feb-25 12:52 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1344744077878362164/image0.gif?ex=68151484&is=6813c304&hm=f24e29d6d023dcf7ced391d7f5bc4a1e70d9cc6926041cbf08a17f056b59f8c6& {Reactions} DancieBoi [27-Feb-25 04:30 PM] archielvahr#0000 To answer some questions that had come up: Ship building is a bit of a weird market. Some people are hesitant to buy ships on the CX because: * It's an overwhelming quantity of items to buy * They don't want to go through the design process, which is genuinely hard and confusing. * They don't want to buy half a ship then find out the bridge they need is out of stock. Prices are high on the CX, I'm not really sure why. Probably because supply is really thin. And they may or may not take forever to sell. Selling bundles can be tough because it's hard to keep the parts in balance.. but it's also a good way to sell things I have too much of. Like 2 years ago I made 150 LFE and I'm still working through that pile. So I can buy fuel tanks at way above my costs and sale price if it means I can move 4m of other goods. I usually have 20 ships worth of certain materials, then have a bottleneck in just a few. For a big player, it's easy to absorb that capital cost and be sure you'll eventually sell it. I buy a ton of ship parts up front, which helps out the producer... then I just hope I can balance it out later. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ [27-Feb-25 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't know about other feeder bases, but my rise bases were ~40k/d/permit [27-Feb-25 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 which left a lot of room for cost cutting [27-Feb-25 06:38 PM] jcheung#0000 couple of mine were 25-40k/d [27-Feb-25 06:38 PM] jcheung#0000 correction, 35-40k [27-Feb-25 07:27 PM] tanda#0000 I just did a 50k/day permit and I gotta say looking around at options new players have, I don't think 50k/d/permit is really price competitive for most new players [27-Feb-25 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 which is why I tried to take all the logistics and contracts burden [27-Feb-25 11:13 PM] getonthetrain#0000 People talking about 25k/d, 40k/d, even 50k/d are like boomers talking about how a candy bar used to cost 5 cents. Ya'll printed so much money that those amounts are tiny nowadays [27-Feb-25 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 what are you at? [27-Feb-25 11:20 PM] jcheung#0000 i have like 2 months on you [27-Feb-25 11:20 PM] evov#0000 Happy to answer any specific questions people have about ship building / pricing. [27-Feb-25 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yall should just be happy that you are contributing to the glory of antares {Reactions} true ๐Ÿซก (3) adi antares_initiative (2) [27-Feb-25 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/comunisto-dogo-gif-15433861177915232836 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/comunisto-dogo-gif-15433861177915232836 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PU4bDHv72OnwdeC05EYncnJ96Tf6zeWxfzt9WlHh-Iw/https/media.tenor.com/1jAW-B5UUkQAAAAe/comunisto-dogo.png [28-Feb-25 12:18 AM] jvaler#0000 who is y'all -.- i've been steadfast in snubbing MM farming ๐Ÿ˜Œ [28-Feb-25 02:45 AM] jcheung#0000 @kynadre do you still make CF or have you dropped that ๐Ÿ‘€ [28-Feb-25 02:46 AM] jcheung#0000 if you still make the stuff, do you have excess i could buy? [01-Mar-25 09:12 PM] o.pie#0000 https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM2VxeTVheHM2ZzY1cnBrdmU2M2FzMGg3YmN4aDdhMjZ1MWFvY3E3bCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YYfEjWVqZ6NDG/giphy.gif {Embed} https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM2VxeTVheHM2ZzY1cnBrdmU2M2FzMGg3YmN4aDdhMjZ1MWFvY3E3bCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YYfEjWVqZ6NDG/giphy.gif https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/v6e3JwYbyFOlXhZItYLl0W05kgcMnP9FxbSXfYBx3l4/https/media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM2VxeTVheHM2ZzY1cnBrdmU2M2FzMGg3YmN4aDdhMjZ1MWFvY3E3bCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YYfEjWVqZ6NDG/giphy.gif {Reactions} DancieBoi (2) ๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Mar-25 12:13 PM] thinkrhino#0000 https://tenor.com/view/milchick-severance-grow-up-gif-1078895338550154872 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/milchick-severance-grow-up-gif-1078895338550154872 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Iup0NBD7toMlEO-h7j-UIx6DV6jgwqwPy2fVkE7yvHw/https/media.tenor.com/DvkBmBwbVngAAAAe/milchick-severance.png [02-Mar-25 12:13 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Me waiting for my HCP to harvest [02-Mar-25 06:38 PM] thinkrhino#0000 So what's the deal with all the white star systems? If enough Antares Initiative setup shop there does it change color? [02-Mar-25 06:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 At the moment those remain as factionless space [02-Mar-25 06:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think eventually there will be a system to do such a thing {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ก ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Mar-25 01:56 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1346390866968707144/image.png?ex=68147ab5&is=68132935&hm=528f79096f6ca0abeed00ec939a0dd2b0736dc3d96338ce1832233db52e5570d& [04-Mar-25 01:56 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/ein-bisschen-kleingeld-gif-19860850 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/ein-bisschen-kleingeld-gif-19860850 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6TrhxQpgi5YFjLf3B2YBgU4Uoiik2QOVcyYitZx8XZ8/https/media.tenor.com/do3P76FZZ8UAAAAe/ein-bisschen-kleingeld.png [04-Mar-25 03:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-you-dwayne-johnson-young-rock-touching-i-understand-gif-20476567 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-you-dwayne-johnson-young-rock-touching-i-understand-gif-20476567 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/B7fUnioi_2xassylOrXVlp0uG4BirzPBKj44SOwE1WA/https/media.tenor.com/j3pFWjHduTgAAAAe/i-feel-you-dwayne-johnson.png [04-Mar-25 03:26 AM] taiyibureau#0000 https://tenor.com/view/what-wat-why-dumb-stupid-gif-16067087 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/what-wat-why-dumb-stupid-gif-16067087 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AiX18hTfwP3TyRQgNGfReQFC78i0Y70iOqOrepi6-Vw/https/media.tenor.com/D52uwjI6bWMAAAAe/what-wat.png [04-Mar-25 03:26 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Living life on the edge [04-Mar-25 03:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 you have over a million ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Mar-25 03:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 how much more do you need ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Mar-25 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 when you have 21 bases [04-Mar-25 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not much [04-Mar-25 03:57 AM] laaxus#0000 If I had to re supply one more base, I'd be dangerously low [04-Mar-25 03:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 fair ig, but that is NOT beggar status lmao [04-Mar-25 03:58 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 22M worth of product waiting to be sold on the cx {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1346421544334786600/image.png?ex=68149747&is=681345c7&hm=72be9e9ebc552ad554ac938f15ab8353cca9458ef349fdb2cd6b700b1eb81460& [04-Mar-25 04:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 dayum [04-Mar-25 04:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 but how do you see that screen? [04-Mar-25 04:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 is it your own spreadsheet? [04-Mar-25 04:02 AM] laaxus#0000 https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/view-company?company=DST [04-Mar-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh wait thats so cool [04-Mar-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol, helped me notice that i had my order for UTS still up [04-Mar-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 try lowstrife company [04-Mar-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 for fun [04-Mar-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 code MM [04-Mar-25 04:06 AM] laaxus#0000 (ofc he renamed his code to MM) [04-Mar-25 04:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I thought that list would never stopโ€ฆ [04-Mar-25 05:11 AM] realharvey#0000 Hmm I found where my Money is {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1346439973557243924/image.png?ex=6814a871&is=681356f1&hm=a605accdb320c00748aba31331f2dcfecac20b013ba04ff2bd7a43b461f86553& [04-Mar-25 05:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 my god.... [04-Mar-25 05:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 1.5 billion sales 300 million orders.. (just on NC1) [04-Mar-25 05:36 AM] evov#0000 I use the CX, but for the most part I think I'm more likely to be classified as an industrialist of sorts. On the CX I think I've got about 200m in sales, 100m in buys. But the stock sitting in my warehouses waiting to be used for productive stuff, has an extra comma. I think lowstrife is the king of the CX. I'm not sure who would dispute that one. Maybe allocater? [04-Mar-25 07:05 AM] pagy1234#0000 unfortunately, allocator isnt even close [04-Mar-25 07:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 both have about the same in buy orders, but lowstrife has almost 5x allocators sell orders [04-Mar-25 01:12 PM] thinkrhino#0000 So if I'm looking at these numbers correctly, it's more profitable for me to grow MAI than it is to produce Carbon. The limitation being that farmsteads require more space and workers. I'm guessing thats where C pushes ahead in profitability? [04-Mar-25 01:13 PM] thinkrhino#0000 I guess long term, space in my cargo holds too. [04-Mar-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean if you're looking to grow something in frms for profit [04-Mar-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 HER was doing pretty damn good for a bit [04-Mar-25 01:22 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Yeah, it looks like HER is way more profitable than MAI, it just requires that I have capital to buy DDT [04-Mar-25 01:22 PM] jcheung#0000 I can loan you some [04-Mar-25 01:23 PM] jcheung#0000 Ddt that is [04-Mar-25 01:25 PM] thinkrhino#0000 If you're feeling generous I will accept your generosity [04-Mar-25 01:25 PM] jcheung#0000 It may have to wait until I'm back at my home pc though as i don't feel like looking up DDT info right now [04-Mar-25 01:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Unless you want to do the homework for me [04-Mar-25 01:26 PM] thinkrhino#0000 No rush, I'll just be farming my potatoes [04-Mar-25 01:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Isn't MAI corn [04-Mar-25 01:27 PM] thinkrhino#0000 yeah but thematically I'm assuming that HCP = potatos [04-Mar-25 01:27 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Lots of starch [04-Mar-25 01:28 PM] jcheung#0000 Could be grass [04-Mar-25 01:29 PM] jcheung#0000 Specifically, switchgrass [04-Mar-25 01:29 PM] thinkrhino#0000 Could be. [06-Mar-25 09:16 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Hey [06-Mar-25 09:16 AM] jab.sh#0000 @infinit3kr could I talk you into starting over on Deimos and setting up either an EXT/COL base or a SME (AL) base? [06-Mar-25 09:17 AM] jab.sh#0000 if you look at the last message in #bulletin-board there's more details there on the bases we're looking for [06-Mar-25 09:18 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Could I keep what I have so far as well I sort of like seeing what I have been working on growing also [06-Mar-25 09:19 AM] jab.sh#0000 unfortunately no, Deimos is full so the only way to get there now is to start over [06-Mar-25 09:19 AM] laaxus#0000 I think he's a very new player [06-Mar-25 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 most player restart after a week or so, once they gained knowledge they were lacking [06-Mar-25 09:20 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe ask him at that time ? [06-Mar-25 09:20 AM] jab.sh#0000 indeed which is why I'm asking ๐Ÿ˜ [06-Mar-25 09:21 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Iโ€™ve already done that unfortunately lol ๐Ÿ˜‚ I took a while to learn a lot [06-Mar-25 09:21 AM] laaxus#0000 If I was a new player, I wouldn't like people telling me what to do ... [06-Mar-25 09:21 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Iโ€™ve done 2 coliq in the process lmao now I finally have a good understanding of everything [06-Mar-25 09:22 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes, deimos is full, so you can't have a base there *right away* [06-Mar-25 09:22 AM] laaxus#0000 but there's no FOMO to have tbh [06-Mar-25 09:22 AM] laaxus#0000 did 3 ๐Ÿ˜„ [06-Mar-25 09:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 it's not fomo, it's ease of logistics [06-Mar-25 09:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 we need ALO and O and AL and you can do all 3 on Deimos [06-Mar-25 09:23 AM] infinit3kr#0000 I mean Iโ€™m not really making a lot so I donโ€™t have much to lose but seeing that I have it running smoothly and profitable feels like an accomplishment lol [06-Mar-25 09:24 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Worked hard on making it perfect lol [06-Mar-25 09:24 AM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347228336111484978/IMG_4938.jpg?ex=6814e3a9&is=68139229&hm=d2cf7757315ef6b89192b5778d8b5e3d05c4f0c03329fd352501606dd4a167ba& [06-Mar-25 09:24 AM] laaxus#0000 A SPREADSHEET ONE OF US [06-Mar-25 09:25 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Haha I love numbers [06-Mar-25 09:25 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Thatโ€™s the fun in the game [06-Mar-25 09:25 AM] laaxus#0000 -# you might want to learn about prun planner tho [06-Mar-25 09:27 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yess Iโ€™m on that also good resource [06-Mar-25 09:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Still learning it though I do have some questions about it [06-Mar-25 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Feel free to spam questions [06-Mar-25 09:33 AM] laaxus#0000 I or someone else will answer when he can [06-Mar-25 10:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 plus fio [06-Mar-25 10:01 AM] jab.sh#0000 you can import live price data [06-Mar-25 10:13 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yeah cause I noticed prun the prices are a bit off [06-Mar-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 no prun price are perfect [06-Mar-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 you just have wrong cx settings [06-Mar-25 10:13 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Not according to my cx [06-Mar-25 10:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Hm maybe let me show you what I have [06-Mar-25 10:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347241046387589220/IMG_4939.jpg?ex=6814ef7f&is=68139dff&hm=77ccd3115191f466e8db7643d2178021ca08be691f082ea47c0dfd97291eda4c& [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah no [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 AVG is the last value [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 not an average at all [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I know [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347241157914001509/image.png?ex=6814ef9a&is=68139e1a&hm=63baf991f9359760f8d4351766eecf2584112d00ac4dbca5bb7eae4d904a207b& [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 use this [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Add buy and sell seperate [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Yeah [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Ok makes sense [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 this is the settings I heavily recommend [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 and still use [06-Mar-25 10:15 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Always do worst case and you will never be disappointed {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Mar-25 10:16 AM] getonthetrain#0000 can only be more profit from there [06-Mar-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 until your 4th base or so, every base should still be profitable in the worst case [06-Mar-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 you want to be able to sell at bid [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Perfect now I just need 300k [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 guess what [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Chicken butt {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ” (3) [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 #agp-information [06-Mar-25 10:18 AM] laaxus#0000 we got you covered [06-Mar-25 10:19 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Iโ€™m going to go with my specialty and do 2 EDM making SCN [06-Mar-25 10:19 AM] infinit3kr#0000 highly profitable ROI is 12 days [06-Mar-25 10:19 AM] infinit3kr#0000 And the trade volume is high [06-Mar-25 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 you should defend your case in #agp-operations ๐Ÿ™‚ [06-Mar-25 10:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 be careful about the massive overproduction [06-Mar-25 10:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347243979002871829/Screenshot_2025-03-07_at_12.23.05_AM.png?ex=6814f23b&is=6813a0bb&hm=6c9397204404cd6e5fac0681d3129e2e12ac039a12e0a306b73f90414b4ebc2d& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฉ [06-Mar-25 10:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 prices will keep falling if production increases more [06-Mar-25 10:36 AM] infinit3kr#0000 At the rate I would be producing to start I dont see a cause for detrimental impact on that unless it was a very very high volume [06-Mar-25 10:40 AM] infinit3kr#0000 the last candle is pointing to a reverse in trend also look how its starting at the base of the red and moving upwards which hasnt been seen for a while [06-Mar-25 10:40 AM] infinit3kr#0000 the other bullish candles were just compensation for bear runs [06-Mar-25 10:41 AM] infinit3kr#0000 so i still think it would be a good opportunity at this point to get in on it [06-Mar-25 10:42 AM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347248041039757394/image.png?ex=6814f603&is=6813a483&hm=7c7ef3145156e25f0249defaea25991cc8127a0cabd9ab2732675477dd6e580e& [06-Mar-25 10:43 AM] infinit3kr#0000 looking at the bigger picture youre seeing it hitting a support line [06-Mar-25 10:43 AM] infinit3kr#0000 which indicates a reversal on trend approacing which could be a good buy and hold for people also at this point [06-Mar-25 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 That's not true, markets can change even outside of those bands-but it sure does mitigate the whiplash [06-Mar-25 11:03 AM] jcheung#0000 Specifically looking at you NL, dropping almost 30% overnight after being stable at a price for months >.> coincidentally when my first full shipload of NL made it to market to sell [06-Mar-25 11:04 AM] jab.sh#0000 so it's your fault [06-Mar-25 11:05 AM] jcheung#0000 No, i hadn't sold yet. It arrived and i went to sell and then went "well, better let lowstrife know I'm gonna be missing payments" {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [06-Mar-25 11:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 the support line is has formed from small producers seling at bid price when their need quick cash, alot of markets show a simmilar pattern since major producers almost always put an ask price. [06-Mar-25 11:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 I see a correlation {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347255630074871868/Screenshot_2025-03-07_at_1.09.18_AM.png?ex=6814fd15&is=6813ab95&hm=6eafc79a10f5d75b71d8526cf3dd64d1fd1983375f936e80dfec8cc43a3c1d3e& [06-Mar-25 11:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 quick spikes from a large consumer buying out large portions of the market evey time they need some [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 yes but also [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347255921776005233/image.png?ex=6814fd5a&is=6813abda&hm=a78fb2277325fa8ee9c470a4d6d184a022729464c3a19e38ddc89611dee0a392& [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 those final candles are down hitting off the support now [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 where as previous just tested it [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] infinit3kr#0000 quite a difference [06-Mar-25 11:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 ^ [06-Mar-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 ~~the bid price barely moves since its at a nice round number that people keep reverting too~~ Allocator has a pretty large bid there so people slowly are filling it up [06-Mar-25 11:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 but as for ask price its just producers undercutting each other [06-Mar-25 11:15 AM] infinit3kr#0000 being highly profitable eben from bid prices i have confidence in the plan [06-Mar-25 11:15 AM] infinit3kr#0000 even* [06-Mar-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair [06-Mar-25 11:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 markets have their ups and downs [06-Mar-25 11:17 AM] infinit3kr#0000 Ive gone over so many options and numbers and this has made the most sense for me at this point im sticking with it and going to move forward lol [06-Mar-25 11:29 AM] getonthetrain#0000 just be aware that SCN is about the only thing profitable on EDM's so you'll lack an ability to switch recipes [06-Mar-25 11:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 yes i have seen that but im going to stick with that at this point and expand if, if future opportunites arise I will have enough liquid biffer to be able to transition [06-Mar-25 11:30 AM] infinit3kr#0000 buffer [07-Mar-25 01:45 AM] magican1980#0000 I have hit the overproduction at for Carbon for CX Benten and Antares [07-Mar-25 01:48 AM] jcheung#0000 oh hey [07-Mar-25 01:49 AM] jcheung#0000 i dunno if i'd say you hit an overproduction [07-Mar-25 01:49 AM] jcheung#0000 AI.1 C is a bit higher than it was a month ago [07-Mar-25 01:51 AM] jcheung#0000 in fact current lows are basically the high for the last month {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347476689633939497/image.png?ex=68147975&is=681327f5&hm=cfc0801db51d6565ff5d6b86efdeb89198b6627cb2de17e8fa8a0593285de0f9& [07-Mar-25 01:52 AM] jcheung#0000 though i have no idea how much of it is gaia pushing the C price up [07-Mar-25 01:52 AM] jcheung#0000 haven't been paying enough attention [07-Mar-25 04:45 AM] magican1980#0000 at this moment I in a situation, where I must not sell asap, because I accumulate money from my productions and have take good prices on Carbon - on the other side I produce rations, where the prices have massive spiked to the max price ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Mar-25 02:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 I am already part of the burn project with 31 INC on nascent but I''d like to start producing some AFAB, what do you think if I started producing AL as well : https://prunplanner.org/shared/2c2d33b0-04dc-4abe-8c9d-a6f30c51144e {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/2c2d33b0-04dc-4abe-8c9d-a6f30c51144e PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Mar-25 02:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'm not sure because it would use 3 permits for 1 planet which I heard is not advised however nascent seems to be the best place to extract ALO near by, I could be producing 4 K AL /week. a SME base on DEIMOS to produce AL [07-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 why do you want to produce AFAB ? [07-Mar-25 02:31 PM] laaxus#0000 what's the goal you have in mind ? [07-Mar-25 02:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 I feel like starting to produce AFAB would allow me great profits and a way of stocking them up for future builds [07-Mar-25 02:32 PM] igfloz#0000 Deimos is full right now. Do you already have a base or CM there ? [07-Mar-25 02:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 nope, what do you mean we can;t build on deimos anymore ? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [07-Mar-25 02:33 PM] igfloz#0000 Deimos is one of the starter planets. It can be difficult to get a permit there [07-Mar-25 02:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll have to hunt for a coGC METtallurgy planet near by then [07-Mar-25 02:33 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347668604874920087/image.png?ex=68148371&is=681331f1&hm=4ab6b5d6cfa80cdc499a63be1df222c563b5e1b15426c272465d42333b38ae8f& [07-Mar-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 please reconsider [07-Mar-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347668722780868728/image.png?ex=6814838d&is=6813320d&hm=ffd735eca58cc651090fa625cc39f062b923e33fb39a740fe26ea3245c8c0257& [07-Mar-25 02:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'm also getting rougly 900 C/w that would help a bit tproduce AL [07-Mar-25 02:34 PM] laaxus#0000 this is ONE PP4, selling ABH at ask price (the most profitable AFAB) [07-Mar-25 02:35 PM] laaxus#0000 AFABS aren't a money maker [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 I had that one in mind : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347669135529738422/image.png?ex=681483f0&is=68133270&hm=33007e99e49041caba240d0512a7ee4acf94b17d2ccf817085e551dc1c273977& [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 this is a bfab [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 bfabs are fabs that start by the letter b, for basic [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Afabs are fabs that starts by the letter a, for advanced [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh my bad ... well that one ๐Ÿซ  [07-Mar-25 02:36 PM] laaxus#0000 there are afabs, bfabs, lfabs, rfabs [07-Mar-25 02:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 thanks for the clarification, I'm still geting lost in the acronyms [07-Mar-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, you'll get used to it [07-Mar-25 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 you just began [07-Mar-25 02:38 PM] igfloz#0000 Laxxus is right ! A-fabs need R-fabs and other stuff. It'll be hell to make a profit - and take months to see any real money [07-Mar-25 02:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 BBH seems to be in high demand and Bid amount reached market maker [07-Mar-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 if you want to start building fabs, I would recommend a PP2 base [07-Mar-25 02:40 PM] igfloz#0000 BBH / BSE etc. is commonly used in what we call green planets. Those with nominal temperature and pressure. Most starter bases use the B-fabs , so it's not a bad business to get into [07-Mar-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 A PP2 base produces Bfabs and Lfabs [07-Mar-25 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 and currently, there are just not enough LFabs being produced [07-Mar-25 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 Green planet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347670498846314537/image.png?ex=68148535&is=681333b5&hm=306e859f1ec1a37bc5231b68e555148ebc253770ef28b0cecf790186e73cadd0& [07-Mar-25 02:41 PM] igfloz#0000 Not a green planet (different materials to build) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347670564453613618/image.png?ex=68148545&is=681333c5&hm=514514ef3bce5a85ee73d27f950be28c283e1f98ca94a95fe977faf1cd3733f8& [07-Mar-25 02:41 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm currently trying to lower LFabs price as part of project CORGI, but I'm not able, even with 3 PP2 bases [07-Mar-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/129f2069-7343-491b-a925-2eee5065fd65 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/129f2069-7343-491b-a925-2eee5065fd65 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Mar-25 02:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 the only thing is I think about I would need to acquire a bigger ship first [07-Mar-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 The con of producing Lfabs is that it doesn't have a large bid to sell into but you will be able to use the LFabs to upgrade your own HQ, which is equivalent of selling at ask [07-Mar-25 02:43 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, you should have upgraded at least one of your ship before starting a PP2 base [07-Mar-25 02:44 PM] igfloz#0000 Just moving the ALO / AL is going to be a task ! They are both quite heavy [07-Mar-25 02:44 PM] laaxus#0000 no need to put 4 3s on the PP2 orders [07-Mar-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 GL is quite cheap, so I would recommend buying it from the market [07-Mar-25 02:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 Nl isn't [07-Mar-25 02:45 PM] laaxus#0000 this is the PP2 base I'm using https://prunplanner.org/shared/7711eb93-b804-4f87-8adf-130f535852ec {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7711eb93-b804-4f87-8adf-130f535852ec PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Mar-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 nope [07-Mar-25 02:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I agree [07-Mar-25 02:47 PM] laaxus#0000 Any chance I can convince you to build the full PP2 base ? What would you need ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [07-Mar-25 02:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Welcome to PrUn, lol - the game that gives you ideas and also problems at the exact same time [07-Mar-25 02:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/f2408912-84ca-4ad5-9e71-a1c3754c66be {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/f2408912-84ca-4ad5-9e71-a1c3754c66be PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Mar-25 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 nah, NL production isn't that profitable [07-Mar-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 believe me, don't do a WPL base [07-Mar-25 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 bad idea [07-Mar-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 well realistically I'd need a bigger ship &the liquidity for the construction materials [07-Mar-25 02:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 so ideally don't build unless 50K profit? [07-Mar-25 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 if you want an easy way to make money, you could make a CHP base producing CL [07-Mar-25 02:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a542bc5a-31b4-4d93-8557-da55c3535093 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a542bc5a-31b4-4d93-8557-da55c3535093 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [07-Mar-25 02:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 but HALcyon planet production isn't mine to use ... ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Mar-25 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, but put consumables and experts [07-Mar-25 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 One HAL base is enough to feed 2 CHP base, I could sell half the production on the LM [07-Mar-25 02:53 PM] laaxus#0000 even buying at ask price, CHP cl base are very profitable [07-Mar-25 02:53 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm toying with setting up a CHP base for Cl, not fully there yet - But I see it in my future [07-Mar-25 02:53 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347673569240416316/image.png?ex=68148811&is=68133691&hm=30de53d41ca9ebc2c494f2162a3048a114736fa0522ced3838990329d32c3b64& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘‘ [07-Mar-25 02:53 PM] laaxus#0000 10d roi is absurd [07-Mar-25 02:55 PM] evov#0000 I understand people's desire to help and provide input. But . . . there's a lot of advice that gets given in discords that is. . . . . not entirely accurate. BFabs, LFabs, RFabs, AFabs - have absolutely nothing to do with the type of planet. Hot, cold, High pressure, low pressure .... has zero impact on the fabs that get used. These are core building blocks for buildings. The "tier" of fab tends to go up along with the "tier" of workforce. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [07-Mar-25 02:55 PM] laaxus#0000 ... I don't think we've said that ? [07-Mar-25 02:55 PM] igfloz#0000 I think I did - yes, my bad [07-Mar-25 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 furthermore, there many HAL producer here in the ADI, namely hal98, Jeanpaulmaurat and even appletree23 [07-Mar-25 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 you could build 2 CHP bases, buying your HAL directly at halcyon [07-Mar-25 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ive even got two CHPs that I never see anymore my HAL [07-Mar-25 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just sell it [07-Mar-25 02:58 PM] laaxus#0000 #corgi-operations ๐Ÿ™‚ I'd support you if you want to go in that direction [07-Mar-25 02:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I make FLX and NS ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Mar-25 03:00 PM] laaxus#0000 Another very profitable and secure base is POL POL convert CL to EPO, and create PG, both recipes are very profitable, and both end product will ALWAYS be in high demand [07-Mar-25 03:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 DEC is nice [07-Mar-25 03:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I like to decorate my ship and offices with them [07-Mar-25 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 looking at this, isn't CHP the best base in antares right now ? [07-Mar-25 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347687167111204884/image.png?ex=681494bb&is=6813433b&hm=96caf9fe195fc902bd78561c3f69261703f3ce4de5a50dfe67afb848ce60cf59& [07-Mar-25 03:47 PM] laaxus#0000 (you must roughly double the ROI to get an accurate one) [07-Mar-25 03:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 You can join DNPC with a Nike base? we make bfabs [07-Mar-25 03:51 PM] jab.sh#0000 sorry Laaxus reading the rest of the chat now, not trying to steal Aaron from you ๐Ÿ˜† [07-Mar-25 03:55 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't talk like you regret it, I know you don't {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1347689019663716452/Ggsmrm6bgAAFEAP.png?ex=68149675&is=681344f5&hm=df53776850d799f85835993984a6917c5c2c3e0e4bcaff750f9dae59bf834694& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [07-Mar-25 04:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 what can I say, I took over two projects that were hemorrhaging and I'm just trying to get them back on track now ๐Ÿคท [07-Mar-25 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Can't blame you [07-Mar-25 04:04 PM] laaxus#0000 Would do the same [07-Mar-25 04:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 heh DNPC and AFC [07-Mar-25 04:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I applaud you for your bravery {Reactions} โค๏ธ [07-Mar-25 04:21 PM] realharvey#0000 please dont burn out jab {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [07-Mar-25 04:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 luckily I've got help with AFC [07-Mar-25 04:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I hesitate to do anything more in AA so I don't burn out [07-Mar-25 04:49 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah it's definitely a lot [07-Mar-25 04:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 honestly once I'm done recruiting it _should_ smooth out? {Reactions} DancieBoi [07-Mar-25 05:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well we hope so for your sake [08-Mar-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 What's the best construction planet for a PP4 base ? [08-Mar-25 09:13 AM] tanda#0000 Nike, Aceland or Nike jr [08-Mar-25 09:13 AM] tanda#0000 No other planet really had the pop [08-Mar-25 10:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nike Jr? [08-Mar-25 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 ZV-194b [08-Mar-25 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 it's right next to Nike, but not as developed [08-Mar-25 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 hence Nike jr [08-Mar-25 10:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I know where Nike jr is I just didnโ€™t think it had enough pop for pp4 [08-Mar-25 10:44 AM] tanda#0000 it does have ENG, so it could support it [08-Mar-25 10:47 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow [08-Mar-25 10:47 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess Iโ€™ve never really looked [08-Mar-25 10:48 AM] tanda#0000 It's pretty new, only like 250 POP, but martin is trying to get more [08-Mar-25 10:55 AM] ballpython2777#0000 What would be the best planet for a CHP base in Antares space? [08-Mar-25 10:55 AM] jvaler#0000 probably griffonstone [08-Mar-25 10:56 AM] jvaler#0000 that or origo if you prefer to pay extra for SEA to be closer to the CX [08-Mar-25 10:57 AM] jvaler#0000 there's also electronica but it's a bit far [08-Mar-25 10:57 AM] tanda#0000 All solid options [08-Mar-25 11:02 AM] ballpython2777#0000 if I did setup on griffonstone, what product should I make with the CHPs? On prunplanner SC looks the best but I'm curious on what most people do [08-Mar-25 11:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 CL [08-Mar-25 11:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I do FLX and NS as well [08-Mar-25 11:03 AM] laaxus#0000 I would recommend griffonstone [08-Mar-25 11:04 AM] laaxus#0000 later on, you could do the Halcyon -> Griffonstone (CL) -> Origo (EPO) -> Antares shipping route [08-Mar-25 11:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 CL, FLX and NS are all solid options - I havenโ€™t looked at profitability for them recently, but CL especially is always in demand [08-Mar-25 11:05 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think FLX tends to be less profitable than the other two [08-Mar-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 CL will always always be in demand [08-Mar-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 and profitable [08-Mar-25 11:05 AM] tanda#0000 NS should be really good right now [08-Mar-25 11:05 AM] laaxus#0000 don't know about the other [08-Mar-25 11:06 AM] tanda#0000 I recommend CL. It's boring, but the shipping is low [08-Mar-25 11:06 AM] ballpython2777#0000 on prunplanner NS seems to be the best out of those three [08-Mar-25 11:06 AM] ballpython2777#0000 makes sense [08-Mar-25 11:06 AM] laaxus#0000 if you take the CL path, please buy your HAL at Halcyon, not the cx [08-Mar-25 11:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 NS is definitely gonna be profitable right now because itโ€™s in a shortage, but I think the inputs for it are less stable than CL. But thereโ€™s nothing stopping you from switching recipes ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ’ฏ [08-Mar-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 there are many people in this server that would be happy to sell it to you there (including me) [08-Mar-25 11:07 AM] tanda#0000 heck, I'll even buy your CL on griffonstone for CX prices, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Mar-25 11:07 AM] tanda#0000 saves me some shipping [08-Mar-25 11:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Switching recipe is good if you want to profit short term If you want a recipe that will profitable now and in 6 months, take CL [08-Mar-25 11:08 AM] laaxus#0000 See how you can't go wrong with CHP ? ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Mar-25 11:08 AM] ballpython2777#0000 haha yeah you were so right [08-Mar-25 11:09 AM] ballpython2777#0000 Ill give it some thought but Ill prob land on CL since I can only have one ship out there running materials around until I buy a third ship [08-Mar-25 02:14 PM] ballpython2777#0000 whenever I apply for the grant do you guys think this base would be optimal/be accepted? https://prunplanner.org/shared/cf6ccc7a-eca3-461d-be91-d08281695030 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/cf6ccc7a-eca3-461d-be91-d08281695030 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [08-Mar-25 02:15 PM] ballpython2777#0000 its ~75k profit a day with a 9.5 day ROI [08-Mar-25 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 #agp-operations part of the grant process is discussing the base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Mar-25 02:16 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not a "base rejected, see ya next month" thing [08-Mar-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 if we think your plan won't work, or that you're falling a in a common beginner pitfall, we will tell you [08-Mar-25 02:17 PM] .shiva.#0000 You do want to add a STO [08-Mar-25 02:17 PM] laaxus#0000 btw, just to make things clear a ROI <10 d is absolutely insane [08-Mar-25 02:18 PM] .shiva.#0000 Without a STO that base fills up in < 3 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Mar-25 02:19 PM] ballpython2777#0000 like insane in the good way? lmao [08-Mar-25 02:19 PM] .shiva.#0000 If you click the button in the top right of the Overview section you can see the shipping requirements of thr base [08-Mar-25 02:19 PM] laaxus#0000 yes [08-Mar-25 02:19 PM] laaxus#0000 it should not happen [08-Mar-25 02:20 PM] laaxus#0000 it's almost a market failure [08-Mar-25 02:20 PM] laaxus#0000 usual roi is around 14-17 [08-Mar-25 02:20 PM] igfloz#0000 You might want to add 2 STO, HAL is a little heavy, not silly heavy, but 2.17t/u can fill up a ship / STO quicker than expected [08-Mar-25 02:22 PM] igfloz#0000 CL also has some mass. So you will need available STO [08-Mar-25 02:23 PM] ballpython2777#0000 hmmm yeah with one default starter ship over there it may be a pain to haul all of that every day [08-Mar-25 02:23 PM] laaxus#0000 {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [08-Mar-25 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 dw, the adi got you covered [08-Mar-25 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 PSK is a program to upgrade starter ships, under an interest free loan [08-Mar-25 02:25 PM] ballpython2777#0000 thats sick what [08-Mar-25 02:25 PM] ballpython2777#0000 I was wondering what pple do about ships when they dont have 5 mil to drop on a new one [08-Mar-25 03:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve made a few bases with that kind of ROI before ๐Ÿ˜ [08-Mar-25 03:38 PM] laaxus#0000 Same [08-Mar-25 03:39 PM] laaxus#0000 I mean, this is my current PPF base : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1348047615727632506/image.png?ex=681492ed&is=6813416d&hm=6a945b59fb8ab102f66cf90348af4cd330c29af90a7a7ef8a8105ea7dad5b2d3& [08-Mar-25 03:41 PM] laaxus#0000 and it's a market failure [08-Mar-25 03:42 PM] laaxus#0000 for some reasons, people don't build ppf [08-Mar-25 03:42 PM] laaxus#0000 I guess it's because of the lack of bids [08-Mar-25 03:51 PM] realharvey#0000 I guess its more a "lack of players" issue [08-Mar-25 03:51 PM] realharvey#0000 as more established players move to higher tier bases [11-Mar-25 09:39 AM] antisyntax#0000 Who's selling ships atm? I made the mistake of giving 4m to Rise iirc in contracts to make a ship then went AWOL for a month before he had time to fill them, and i guess now he's not playing anymore. [11-Mar-25 09:39 AM] antisyntax#0000 so hopefully a 2k/2k is under 4m [11-Mar-25 09:39 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Probably not ๐Ÿฅด [11-Mar-25 09:40 AM] antisyntax#0000 yeah his last message was over a month ago [11-Mar-25 09:40 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Evov make ships and Archiel handles the ship sells for OOG {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Mar-25 09:40 AM] antisyntax#0000 but with me going absent for a month too i def. need a ton of shipping done lol [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Both are about 5-6 mil i think [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 dam [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 welp guess i better get to saving [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But no wait [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can buy now [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 and you'll *double my offer*? [11-Mar-25 09:41 AM] antisyntax#0000 lol jk [11-Mar-25 09:42 AM] antisyntax#0000 and if you order in the next 10 minutes, we'll throw in a free WCB. That's a $19.99 value! [11-Mar-25 09:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Buy now and get a free bobble head for your cockpit [11-Mar-25 09:42 AM] antisyntax#0000 lol [11-Mar-25 09:43 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah Rise is not playing anymore [11-Mar-25 09:47 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho post some stuffs in #shipping to get some help with shipping [11-Mar-25 09:48 AM] jab.sh#0000 I would DM rise, you can probably get your money back at least {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [11-Mar-25 02:34 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah he will answer your DMs [12-Mar-25 03:43 AM] evov#0000 I thought rise said he was going to complete any outstanding ship orders. He's a very reasonable guy in my experience, DM him and im sure you'll be able to work something out. [15-Mar-25 04:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a859dca2-b479-4e69-95ba-e54d7a0a98bd {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a859dca2-b479-4e69-95ba-e54d7a0a98bd PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Mar-25 04:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 I put no experts yet [15-Mar-25 04:55 PM] igfloz#0000 Do you really need 318 EXO per day ? The CX movement isn't that good if you are looking to sell your extras [15-Mar-25 04:57 PM] laaxus#0000 ok I think one day (which means probably never) I'll do a power point presentation on why producing everything yourself doesn't make things cheaper {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Mar-25 04:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 nah I only need 11 /d EXO [15-Mar-25 04:58 PM] igfloz#0000 If everyone is vertical building..... essentially, there won't be a CX lol [15-Mar-25 05:00 PM] laaxus#0000 ok @vanarazor, which of the following base is the best (assuming equal cost and shipping etc) - A base producing 100k AIC profit per day in cash - A base producing 50k profit per day in consummables [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] igfloz#0000 I used to advertise on the internal market ( there are some people that I still honor sales to) - but essentially, I just drop a bunch every now and then on the CX.............. My numbers are small in the galactic scale, there are much bigger fish here ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1350589653786427412/image.png?ex=681497e2&is=68134662&hm=d84b88bda59a951d8f2c6714ab2eb1a0b954a5e3b2a631c017a0391906c31ac8& [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'd say the one that gives more profits per day [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] laaxus#0000 exactly [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] laaxus#0000 because with 100k cash [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] laaxus#0000 you can buy 50k worth of consummables [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] laaxus#0000 and still have 50k AIC [15-Mar-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 but the one that gives more profits also cost more to build [15-Mar-25 05:02 PM] laaxus#0000 not necessarily [15-Mar-25 05:02 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway [15-Mar-25 05:02 PM] laaxus#0000 my point is [15-Mar-25 05:02 PM] laaxus#0000 producing things you need doesn't make them cheaper [15-Mar-25 05:03 PM] laaxus#0000 producing things you need, allow you to sell with the convenience of bid, at ask price for the base producing it, and stock stability for the base consumming it [15-Mar-25 05:03 PM] laaxus#0000 it doesn't make the good cheaper [15-Mar-25 05:04 PM] laaxus#0000 because the price of the good is and always is the market price [15-Mar-25 05:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Again, I'm not stopping you to do it, or forcing you to play a certain way. You should do what's fun to you. But I have to make sure you're not misunderstanding the situation [15-Mar-25 05:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 I hear you [15-Mar-25 05:08 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, one thing I recommend to do for every players, is to do a full base for every building in prunplanner This allows you to see possible profitable bases you didnt know of [15-Mar-25 05:08 PM] tanda#0000 opportunity cost is really hard to keep in mind when doing any build [15-Mar-25 05:10 PM] jcheung#0000 There's also a price to stability [15-Mar-25 05:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah for now I try to stay in the settlers building level as higher tier building cost more to build and to fill consumables [15-Mar-25 05:11 PM] vanarazor#0000 I thought producing consumables would reduce my cost for now and in the future [15-Mar-25 05:12 PM] jcheung#0000 For the counterpoint to laaxus's argument (he has really good point, just want to make sure the other side is shown) Would you rather a base that makes 180k sometimes, but other times makes 30k, for an average of 100k cash? Or would you rather a base that makes "75k" in consumables consistently {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [15-Mar-25 05:13 PM] tanda#0000 I'm definitely in the middle ground here: I think everyone should have a BMP base, but they're not consistently profitable. Sometimes you're going to make a very tiny margin just to keep your base producing {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [15-Mar-25 05:13 PM] jcheung#0000 I have a couple of BMPs [15-Mar-25 05:13 PM] tanda#0000 and sometimes the bottom drops out of the PT market and you can bootstrap your own PT production as a stopgap measure {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [15-Mar-25 05:13 PM] jcheung#0000 Not a full base, but a couple. Haven't managed them very well though [15-Mar-25 05:14 PM] laaxus#0000 I disagree with the "everybody" part and the "full base" part [15-Mar-25 05:14 PM] tanda#0000 That is your right, lol [15-Mar-25 05:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 also would like to drop this base: https://prunplanner.org/shared/1aa20067-4b99-478b-87c5-f28f90882788 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/1aa20067-4b99-478b-87c5-f28f90882788 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Mar-25 05:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I was thinking BMP first and POL next [15-Mar-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 I've actually reduced my current general purpose BMPs to 11, been replacing them with WPLs [15-Mar-25 05:15 PM] igfloz#0000 argh !!! Competition !!! ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Mar-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 nah, it's self consumption at this point [15-Mar-25 05:16 PM] tanda#0000 I just really don't like the look of the KV and NL markets [15-Mar-25 05:16 PM] laaxus#0000 my hephaestus base is a full PPF base [15-Mar-25 05:16 PM] jcheung#0000 I've had WPLs for a while ๐Ÿ‘€ i just keep selling cheap to hal because he paid for it {Reactions} givelove DancieBoi [15-Mar-25 05:16 PM] igfloz#0000 That's a good thing imo [15-Mar-25 05:17 PM] igfloz#0000 My Heph base is a mix of stuff - It's all PSK fault, lol [15-Mar-25 05:18 PM] tanda#0000 so what do I have to offer to get someone to do MHP or TUB? [15-Mar-25 05:18 PM] tanda#0000 TUB market is really thin right now [15-Mar-25 05:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 okay from what I read, and to hit the middle ground here : I updated the plan : https://prunplanner.org/shared/a859dca2-b479-4e69-95ba-e54d7a0a98bd {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a859dca2-b479-4e69-95ba-e54d7a0a98bd PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [15-Mar-25 05:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I love the NL [15-Mar-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think it's important for me consider your experiences, and I feel lucky enough to have your point of views [15-Mar-25 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 expected profit ? [15-Mar-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 74k/d [15-Mar-25 05:22 PM] laaxus#0000 roi ? [15-Mar-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 14d [15-Mar-25 05:23 PM] laaxus#0000 profit/roi wise, it's good enough [15-Mar-25 05:24 PM] laaxus#0000 now, this is a very personal opinion, but I like to have 1 kind of building per base lol but you don't have to do that yourself [15-Mar-25 05:24 PM] laaxus#0000 it's just my software engineering inner soul screaming it's bad [15-Mar-25 05:24 PM] igfloz#0000 Your PG consumption is gonna be a high (ish) cost - can you afford to feed that ? [15-Mar-25 05:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'd like to as well to be honest but I think at this point I should make compromises [15-Mar-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 for a little while until bober POL comes online [15-Mar-25 05:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't think you're old enough to have to make compromises [15-Mar-25 05:25 PM] laaxus#0000 there are many many good planets remaining, even in antares [15-Mar-25 05:25 PM] laaxus#0000 are you maybe lacking ideas of what to build ? [15-Mar-25 05:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 if it was possible I like the idea of producing everything but for now we ll stick to where is profit and convenient enough to fit in my weekly schedule [15-Mar-25 05:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 I try to stay in the settlers ier of building as higher tier cost more to build and maintain in terms of consumables [15-Mar-25 05:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Why not Origo for POL? [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 why not bober? [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 bober is closer to ANT [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 high settlement cost [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 the planetary conditions just arent the same [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 the base will cost much more to build [15-Mar-25 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 lowering your roi [15-Mar-25 05:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 jesus that is true [15-Mar-25 05:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 900K difference [15-Mar-25 05:31 PM] akyantor#0000 I've just reconfigured my Halyos base to increase TUB output now I'm looking after Demios... need monster volumes of upkeep goods. :S [15-Mar-25 05:31 PM] igfloz#0000 I can't work this out. Your plan shows that you produce 0 KV..... but I don't know why [15-Mar-25 05:31 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I just started looking at how much I REALLY need to maintain Aceland [15-Mar-25 05:32 PM] tanda#0000 either 2.5mil in POPI upgrades, or 2 new inputs [15-Mar-25 05:32 PM] laaxus#0000 because he put 0 in the kv order [15-Mar-25 05:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 on paper because it's reduces profit compared to NL [15-Mar-25 05:32 PM] tanda#0000 TCL is probably high right now [15-Mar-25 05:32 PM] igfloz#0000 godammit - apologies, I'm retarded - thankyou [15-Mar-25 06:44 PM] jcheung#0000 As long as you don't *love* the NL [15-Mar-25 07:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol nope that is weird [15-Mar-25 09:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 what's the NL pun here? [15-Mar-25 09:49 PM] jcheung#0000 it's a love pun [15-Mar-25 10:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 OH [15-Mar-25 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [16-Mar-25 12:00 AM] potaterror#0000 I will supply you with TUBs for the low, low cost of 60M up front, Tanda. [16-Mar-25 12:02 AM] potaterror#0000 It's actually production I intend to spool up eventually, it's just way down the line on a bad plan that's a few permits away. [16-Mar-25 12:04 AM] tanda#0000 NGL, while I appreciate the spirit of cooperation, it would be cheaper for me to do it [16-Mar-25 12:04 AM] tanda#0000 my permits only cost 11mil [16-Mar-25 12:08 AM] potaterror#0000 I am gravely insulted by your dismissal of my business opportunity with a ROI right around the heat death of the universe. [16-Mar-25 12:11 AM] potaterror#0000 It's just a coincidental part of a vanity project I've had on my radar since pretty well when I started. Problem is that it's a small empire's worth of permits, but I'll get there eventually. [16-Mar-25 12:12 AM] potaterror#0000 Just kind of found it amusing that glass might actually see some traction. [16-Mar-25 12:15 AM] tanda#0000 GL and TUB especially seem to be doing bad on ANT right now [16-Mar-25 12:21 AM] potaterror#0000 Seems a fairly recent development. Maybe I'll buy some in MOR and ferry 'em over as a currency exchange mechanism. [18-Mar-25 09:47 AM] magican1980#0000 I coming in the range of these cost per permit - I hit HQ 20 yesterday, after this I need 3-5 Millions for the next upgrade ๐Ÿฅถ and it only goes up [18-Mar-25 09:49 AM] magican1980#0000 from Level 20 to 25 you need to spend about 60 Mio credits and its going worse ... 20-30 up to 207 Mio [18-Mar-25 09:50 AM] magican1980#0000 I need to plan and build up my A-Fab Construction planet to support the next expansions ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [18-Mar-25 01:05 PM] potaterror#0000 Might consider the IDC base option as a stable upgrade cash flow or cushion for reorganizing, too. [18-Mar-25 01:10 PM] potaterror#0000 Finally jumping into that myself to have an income stream that is easy to bump between currencies and substantial/low overhead enough to allow temporarily gutting just about everything else I'm doing, if necessary. [18-Mar-25 01:12 PM] jcheung#0000 With input prices going up, IDC has been getting closer to some other bases [18-Mar-25 01:13 PM] jcheung#0000 That said, it's a simple, if expensive base to run [18-Mar-25 05:01 PM] potaterror#0000 Yeah, I didn't articulate that properly. They're expensive but provide a steady return that can be very hands-off. [18-Mar-25 05:15 PM] tanda#0000 so if I just restock my EDC bases every 90 days when I repair it'll cost 18mil in one go [18-Mar-25 05:35 PM] jcheung#0000 I've finally gotten to where i can do my idc base every 45-50 days instead of every other week because of how expensive the inputs are [18-Mar-25 05:36 PM] jcheung#0000 Hell, my IDC support base makes almost as much as the IDC base does sometimes [18-Mar-25 05:38 PM] jcheung#0000 (Makes MEA from RAT and HER) [18-Mar-25 07:51 PM] potaterror#0000 My MEA and WIN production is pretty much entirely vertical, skews the view a bit for me. [19-Mar-25 02:15 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, I will consider a IDC or EDC Base ๐Ÿ™‚ and now I must plan, on what industries I expand to - before that I will need to set up a a-fab and mhl-production base for my future repairs and permit expansion. At this moment I get my profits about 50/50 from Carbon and rats (yes I build up a new expansion with my permits at hortus) ... For Carbon at CX Antares and Benten I expect the prices to stay or drop under 700 credits, because there too much items in the market. [19-Mar-25 02:15 AM] magican1980#0000 So I will need to look into a good way to burn a good chunck of my Carbon in other productions ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} โค๏ธ [19-Mar-25 02:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 _you are such a magician_ [19-Mar-25 06:56 AM] tanda#0000 I would personally not suggest an MHL production base at this time {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1351887173984583680/image.png?ex=6814b30b&is=6813618b&hm=8895f4281f5d8538983e182aeb9e6f3dfaef9a06c30fca690423346d72087c0c& [19-Mar-25 07:31 AM] magican1980#0000 ok, but I need the MHL regularly for my repairs - 4-5x 135 Units ... in 2 months ~675 units. I plan to mak 11-12 units per day not more ๐Ÿ™‚ also I need A-Fabs for my future HQ Upgrades [19-Mar-25 07:34 AM] magican1980#0000 If I can save about 10k from ever A-Fab ... I can save from 20-25 about 14 Mio .... I think this is somethink, I will need on long term [19-Mar-25 07:59 AM] tanda#0000 I can have that 675 for you in a week [19-Mar-25 07:59 AM] tanda#0000 I will be revising my ADI internal prices down to 3000/unit as soon as I have stock [19-Mar-25 08:00 AM] tanda#0000 AFABs I have no current plans to start production [19-Mar-25 09:08 AM] keremcozin#0000 What do you think about my plan for Boucher? https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d063ee6-1cd7-46a9-aa48-d95e56c4fdfe {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d063ee6-1cd7-46a9-aa48-d95e56c4fdfe PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Mar-25 09:12 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just curious - how do profits / day compare if you leave out the HYF and just focus on making DW? Since youโ€™re mixing experts anyway, you might make more money focusing on DW rather than spending the area on making a small amount of CAF/COF [19-Mar-25 09:12 AM] keremcozin#0000 let me see [19-Mar-25 09:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Or even importing the caf [19-Mar-25 09:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, buying some CAF wouldnโ€™t be a bad idea if youโ€™re really attached to making COF. You can just pick some up when itโ€™s cheap and sneak it into your production line [19-Mar-25 09:15 AM] keremcozin#0000 strangely, slightly growing CAF with making COF was better profit [19-Mar-25 09:15 AM] keremcozin#0000 withou* [19-Mar-25 09:15 AM] keremcozin#0000 couldn't type [19-Mar-25 09:16 AM] keremcozin#0000 growing a lttle CAF without making COF was slightly more profitable [19-Mar-25 09:16 AM] keremcozin#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d063ee6-1cd7-46a9-aa48-d95e56c4fdfe {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/3d063ee6-1cd7-46a9-aa48-d95e56c4fdfe PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Mar-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 Makes sense [19-Mar-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 That said [19-Mar-25 09:17 AM] jcheung#0000 You're split across 3 industries [19-Mar-25 09:18 AM] keremcozin#0000 yeah [19-Mar-25 09:18 AM] keremcozin#0000 and it's always a good idea to ask here about future plans ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Mar-25 09:18 AM] jcheung#0000 Have you looked into removing hyf and splitting experts into the others? What does the profit look like for that? [19-Mar-25 09:18 AM] keremcozin#0000 I'll experiement [19-Mar-25 09:19 AM] jcheung#0000 (For reference, shared plans don't give us your profit numbers) [19-Mar-25 09:20 AM] keremcozin#0000 well my goodness!! only making H2o and DW even more profitable! ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:20 AM] keremcozin#0000 beating all others [19-Mar-25 09:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 That would be my recommendation, personally - HYF are expensive and definitely benefit a ton from the COGC / 5 experts bonus. Having a RIG / FP setup on Boucher gives you a solid foundation to start with, and later on you can move those FP elsewhere, do only rigs on Boucher, and use the water for a future HYF planet ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Mar-25 09:21 AM] keremcozin#0000 Aye! I'll follow the last more simple but more profitable plan [19-Mar-25 09:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 The other benefit is that water is shipping intensive, so early on having a combined planet like this is nice. I did the same on Etherwind for a long time ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:22 AM] keremcozin#0000 then I started to think, maybe I should stop producing DW and RAT and Promitor? and fully focus on growing agricualtural products there? [19-Mar-25 09:22 AM] jcheung#0000 That's why sidepipe mentioned it ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Mar-25 09:23 AM] keremcozin#0000 ^_^ [19-Mar-25 09:23 AM] jcheung#0000 As a general rule, unless you absolutely have to, max 2 industries per planet and one should match cogc [19-Mar-25 09:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s not a bad idea - in general, as you grow larger, youโ€™ll probably consolidate most of your bases into single-building or single-industry bases [19-Mar-25 09:24 AM] jcheung#0000 And even then, if you can help it, one industry that matches cogc is preferred [19-Mar-25 09:24 AM] keremcozin#0000 at Promitor, the new profit wore minimal but it's still there [19-Mar-25 09:25 AM] keremcozin#0000 I really can't type today lmao [19-Mar-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, but what you do is move the FPs to a different planet ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:25 AM] jcheung#0000 Or rather, can do [19-Mar-25 09:26 AM] keremcozin#0000 woahhh..If I change the agricultural product to single type, which is VEG making huge profit differance!! [19-Mar-25 09:26 AM] keremcozin#0000 crazy profit there with just VEG [19-Mar-25 09:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 One thing to keep in mind with Agri goods is that they can be pretty slow to sell [19-Mar-25 09:27 AM] keremcozin#0000 hmm good to know [19-Mar-25 09:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 So be careful growing a bunch of one thing if you canโ€™t also use it, or you might end up with all your money in plants ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 09:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think most people who run FPs run their own farms, or only buy from the market occasionally. And on the other hand, most people who run farms use their own output, and usually just list extra when they have it [19-Mar-25 09:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 But you should definitely look at the profit difference when you include an extra planet full of FPs to use all those agri goods [19-Mar-25 09:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 (When youโ€™re ready to redesign that base, anyway ๐Ÿ˜„) [19-Mar-25 09:33 AM] keremcozin#0000 all makes sense ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 09:50 AM] keremcozin#0000 also I was making a little amount of C at Harmonia, switched to full HER growing with a single water rig [19-Mar-25 09:50 AM] keremcozin#0000 simple bases FTW >.> [19-Mar-25 09:51 AM] keremcozin#0000 ang GRN instead of VEG at Promitor, slightly less profit but GRN sells for different industries, considering "all money in plants" situation ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm seriously considering buying that hal and exporting it to antares for price stability {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1351944280142512159/image.png?ex=6814e83a&is=681396ba&hm=50d9a799d6ff9f4f665c31445c7da09899bbbbb9ede42700cfa5aaf6c7a5b34d& [19-Mar-25 10:45 AM] sidepipe#0000 Hah, Iโ€™ve been exporting some things from Antares to Benten since I had spare ships. Maybe Iโ€™ll bring some HAL on the next return flight [19-Mar-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Antares prices are lower, so it'd be at a loss if you do it yourself [19-Mar-25 10:46 AM] tanda#0000 Bring me back some FE while you're at it [19-Mar-25 10:46 AM] evany.#0000 how much fe you need tanda [19-Mar-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe I could buy it and give you a few shipping cont ? [19-Mar-25 10:47 AM] tanda#0000 90/day. I'll take a shipload or two of FE right at this moment [19-Mar-25 10:47 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m okay with that, just break it into whatever fits in a 2k/2k and give me a long lead time ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 10:48 AM] evany.#0000 ah i only have an excess of like 20/day [19-Mar-25 10:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 I usually just take small amounts of lfabs and consumables. I noticed the prices between CI1 and AI1 started really diverging, so Iโ€™m hoping to cut down on exporting by listing some at similar prices to ANT ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:49 AM] tanda#0000 I've noticed that too, and it's weird. Some things are cheaper than ANT and MOR by a large margin, which makes little sense [19-Mar-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 you think Ben LFabs are cheaper ? ๐Ÿ˜  [19-Mar-25 10:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 No, theyโ€™re like 2-5k more expensive [19-Mar-25 10:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 So Iโ€™ve been bringing some over and listing them at comparable prices to ANT [19-Mar-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 ah you're exporting our fabs of quality [19-Mar-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 fair [19-Mar-25 10:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 Those poor bentenites deserve to experience high quality fabs at affordable prices ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 But Iโ€™m trying not to take so many that I drive up prices at ANT [19-Mar-25 10:53 AM] sidepipe#0000 Just getting ahead of any bulk exporters hopefully [19-Mar-25 10:54 AM] laaxus#0000 how many of those trips would you do in 30d roughly ? [19-Mar-25 10:54 AM] evany.#0000 no they don't [19-Mar-25 10:54 AM] evany.#0000 i protest t he inter-stellar market [19-Mar-25 10:55 AM] sidepipe#0000 2-3, but I can make extra trips for your stuff. Itโ€™s easy enough to find _something_ to sell ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Mar-25 10:55 AM] laaxus#0000 let's start with 3 then [19-Mar-25 10:56 AM] laaxus#0000 how much do you want per trip ? [19-Mar-25 11:00 AM] sidepipe#0000 20k seem fair? Iโ€™d calculate the fuel cost, but Iโ€™m not at my PC right now ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Mar-25 11:55 AM] jcheung#0000 you're better off buying hal's hal so his production doesn't stop ๐Ÿ˜› [19-Mar-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I put large LM bid at a fair price he can sell into if he feels like it [19-Mar-25 12:25 PM] jcheung#0000 his problem is shipping it, not selling it ๐Ÿ˜œ [19-Mar-25 12:26 PM] jcheung#0000 so if you're planning on shipping from other cx's, you're better off just keeping hal's warhouse empty [19-Mar-25 12:27 PM] evany.#0000 i was thinking that too. i thought his issue was logistics [19-Mar-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 that's the exact same thing [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 how the fuck is it the same thing [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 oh wait [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 you put in a LM order [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 i read CX \ [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 dumb brain [19-Mar-25 12:28 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bCEVr.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-hiding-humiliated-leave-me-alone-girl-bye-gif-21567771 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GgLu0mRbMTrI1pONedzkzEDfl_f8cNXVjLCmEfXZKG4/https/media.tenor.com/0wdGZyE1670AAAAe/bye-felicia-hiding.png [19-Mar-25 12:29 PM] evany.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-no-chill-out-bro-nah-fam-gif-16233135 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-no-chill-out-bro-nah-fam-gif-16233135 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CXOV5p9KS_sED08k8uWz6PbzO4X8DiscXlf7-C8TbL0/https/media.tenor.com/3EsLlQSj4dwAAAAe/jonah-hill-no.png [19-Mar-25 12:29 PM] laaxus#0000 np np [19-Mar-25 12:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Who me? [19-Mar-25 12:30 PM] evany.#0000 no u [19-Mar-25 12:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Tbh I never check the LM [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] evany.#0000 your not the only one [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] evany.#0000 someone dm'd me ingame in october and i just saw it last week {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] jcheung#0000 i used to check LMs a lot more [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i just never think to unless i need something [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] jcheung#0000 now i barely look at them ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [19-Mar-25 12:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but lately they've been sad [19-Mar-25 12:33 PM] jcheung#0000 ironically if they had more activity i would look at them more >.< [19-Mar-25 12:33 PM] evany.#0000 i never look at communication or LM or cogc votes [19-Mar-25 12:33 PM] evany.#0000 i even made a page of all the planets i'm at LM, but never flip to it {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [19-Mar-25 12:34 PM] evany.#0000 anyone know anyone that makes bws or dcm (haz ppf?) [19-Mar-25 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 I make BWS ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Mar-25 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 So so much BWS [19-Mar-25 12:34 PM] evany.#0000 fucking finally sidepipe {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [19-Mar-25 12:34 PM] evany.#0000 i was wondering if you ever did anything {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [19-Mar-25 12:35 PM] evany.#0000 ok ill dm you [19-Mar-25 12:37 PM] potaterror#0000 I have the LM built in to all of my base/CX views and still miss them half the time. [19-Mar-25 12:37 PM] potaterror#0000 Doesn't help that they don't refresh properly. [19-Mar-25 12:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 how much HAL I have at halcyon right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1351973212086603797/image.png?ex=6815032c&is=6813b1ac&hm=fe27e3ef3430257b1f276ae032a54b55832c6a9dca9bc1859ef082f298140244& [19-Mar-25 12:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 woot woot no stalled production [19-Mar-25 12:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i gotchu boo [19-Mar-25 02:26 PM] marat_sh#0000 Thanks to 2 new ships all of my HAL on ANT ๐Ÿ˜… I can finally keep up with logi [19-Mar-25 02:28 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've got 3k not listed on CX in case of emergency Plus more to come [19-Mar-25 02:29 PM] marat_sh#0000 but order book looks pretty thicc {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352000960347504783/image.png?ex=68147443&is=681322c3&hm=deee039f4fba6bbe47bb3bf27f86762d32b76134383a023eeba280f57295c57d& [19-Mar-25 06:37 PM] batman_project#0000 so i want to start a base on Benten - Yannick (UV-351b) and bring aqua solutions to Antares [19-Mar-25 06:42 PM] tanda#0000 hmm, as in import water to ANT? or process the water before shipping? [19-Mar-25 06:43 PM] batman_project#0000 process [19-Mar-25 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 I would recommend Etherwind instead. It's a little farther from the CX, but it is less expensive to build on, and more importantly: It has liquid water [19-Mar-25 06:44 PM] tanda#0000 Yannick has gaseous water, which is harvested by COLlectors rather than RIGs [19-Mar-25 06:45 PM] batman_project#0000 let me see where that is [19-Mar-25 06:45 PM] tanda#0000 RIGs are a smaller footprint, letting you fit more of them on a base. It's really hard to overstate how much more productive a RIG base is compared to a COL base [20-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 can ANYBODY produce 3 days of SC to fix this market ?? [20-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352258312095404122/image.png?ex=6814bb31&is=681369b1&hm=1ef57d511374275430bb3ff672975a4dedc52dd52a3344475f0fe22a4586a1e8& [20-Mar-25 07:31 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352258350141931530/image.png?ex=6814bb3a&is=681369ba&hm=258e1c8d592ea3b5b9a944bf268adf5a03de8167729edd40513f2b1b1c28c702& [20-Mar-25 07:32 AM] laaxus#0000 same for med {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352258611023450224/image.png?ex=6814bb78&is=681369f8&hm=273f50ccc7e14211233b0b7a926fe39c381f5bd77ec61209f48d403bff07ee84& [20-Mar-25 07:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Please, it's easy money, I don't want to do it myself and change my production line [20-Mar-25 07:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 no, wait a little longer - I could finally sell that MED that I bought @ 1500/u months ago when we had the last spike ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [20-Mar-25 07:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 Jokes aside, I might just drop the price on that and realize the loss [20-Mar-25 07:44 AM] laaxus#0000 Well, you better do it before I dedicate one base just to cap the price of MED and SC to 1150/u [20-Mar-25 07:44 AM] laaxus#0000 just saying [20-Mar-25 07:47 AM] evov#0000 r.e. SC - There's about 2 week's supply up there now. So supply feels ok. I can post another thousand, but it doesn't seem needed. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352262283933257790/image.png?ex=6814bee4&is=68136d64&hm=640d1bd8999e444acf771e56a388ce1623f034eae0526f668e79ee6173e6fb65& [20-Mar-25 07:47 AM] laaxus#0000 It's not about supply, it's about the price [20-Mar-25 07:56 AM] zillatron#0000 what's wrong with the price? isn't that just how the market works? low supply price goes up etc etc [20-Mar-25 07:56 AM] evov#0000 Med looks good. If you think the market is heavily over-pricing it, jump on it and cash in I guess. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Mar-25 08:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I know it is the case for FP product and HER [20-Mar-25 08:01 AM] laaxus#0000 but has the general profitability of every base gone up ? [20-Mar-25 08:01 AM] tanda#0000 There's a reason why HER is overpriced [20-Mar-25 08:01 AM] jcheung#0000 I think metallurgy has dipped [20-Mar-25 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 from my perspective, roi of 15d is correct/good, and 10d is too good [20-Mar-25 08:02 AM] laaxus#0000 is my perspective outdated ? [20-Mar-25 08:02 AM] zillatron#0000 why is 10 too good and 15 good? [20-Mar-25 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 the lower the better [20-Mar-25 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 roi is how many days it take to get your investment back [20-Mar-25 08:03 AM] zillatron#0000 lol yes i understand what roi is, im asking why lower is better but 10 is too good but 15 is fine [20-Mar-25 08:03 AM] laaxus#0000 just a matter of equilibrium [20-Mar-25 08:03 AM] zillatron#0000 if you can make a base pay for istelf in 10 days....great!(?) [20-Mar-25 08:04 AM] zillatron#0000 of what ? [20-Mar-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 from my experience, 15d is the expectation [20-Mar-25 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 so now I'm asking if the expectation has changed [20-Mar-25 08:04 AM] evov#0000 The beautiful thing about the free market, is you can have whatever idea's or theories you want. You get to test it out in the market place. The more correct you are, the more line goes up. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 08:05 AM] evov#0000 I can't speak for all the different markets/industries. But I've been selling the same ships for the same price for over 7months now. [20-Mar-25 08:05 AM] zillatron#0000 i guess what im saying is i dont really see what the issue is, if you can make a base ROI in 10 days good for you, line go up == good for everyone [20-Mar-25 08:06 AM] jcheung#0000 So what about the 5d bases [20-Mar-25 08:06 AM] zillatron#0000 i'm not in the SC or MED markets but just a cursory look making it right off market prices 1150 seems pretty low margin imo [20-Mar-25 08:06 AM] jcheung#0000 It is [20-Mar-25 08:07 AM] evov#0000 One thing that should (in theory) change expectations is the average size of the players in the community. More capital available = faster growth... moving up in the permit counts faster. Higher permit counts = more priority given to $/Area/Day compared to RoI. [20-Mar-25 08:07 AM] zillatron#0000 i dont consider low margin a good thing (overall) personally so that's probably why i find that confusing [20-Mar-25 08:07 AM] zillatron#0000 if the supply of a thing is fine and people are buying it then the price isnt too high haha [20-Mar-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 In a perfect and ideal market (which prun isn't), every investment has the same profitability (taking everything into account) My perspective is that, that profitability equilibrium should be around 15d And I'm asking if it is outdated (or if, in your opinion, that equilibrium would be lower) [20-Mar-25 08:09 AM] evov#0000 You can have whatever expectations you want. The market will let you know if others share those expectations I guess. [20-Mar-25 08:09 AM] zillatron#0000 i agree with that^ [20-Mar-25 08:10 AM] zillatron#0000 there's no one size fits all answer imo [20-Mar-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah thanks but I want YOUR opinion on that topic [20-Mar-25 08:11 AM] evov#0000 My opinion... is that your expectations are grounded in an incomplete world view. [20-Mar-25 08:11 AM] evov#0000 Within the boundary of factors you recognize / consider / understand ..... your expectations might make 100% complete sense. [20-Mar-25 08:13 AM] zillatron#0000 my opinion: the difference between 15 and 10 days roi on a base is negligible and not really useful beyond the initial expectation of when you can turn a profit on a single base [20-Mar-25 08:13 AM] zillatron#0000 if you'e running razor thin margins on that base then is it really a good base to begin with? [20-Mar-25 08:15 AM] zillatron#0000 if people are paying for what you're making then i dont really see what the problem is, seems like thats a unicorn [20-Mar-25 08:16 AM] zillatron#0000 but i'd need more info to form a proper opinion ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:16 AM] jcheung#0000 I meant if 10d is too good, what does 5d get marked as [20-Mar-25 08:16 AM] zillatron#0000 i dont think saying 1 is good or bad is super useful beyond what i said up there^ [20-Mar-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Insane, imo [20-Mar-25 08:17 AM] zillatron#0000 'on what day after i sink 1 million into this base will i make a profit' [20-Mar-25 08:17 AM] jcheung#0000 There are a lot of things done on triple greens that have 5d returns [20-Mar-25 08:18 AM] zillatron#0000 ok so...that makes those bases more 'valuable' because 1) they are in limited supply and 2) you can turn a profit faster [20-Mar-25 08:19 AM] evov#0000 "In a perfect and ideal market (which prun isn't), every investment has the same profitability (taking everything into account)" - Using a real world example - You're presented a choice where you can start a business. 1. Hot dog stand - Costs you 10k, makes you 1k per month. 2. Factory making bolts - Costs you 10mil, makes you 500k per month. Hot dog stand = faster RoI. But as a human being - you only have 168 hrs in the week. Which makes the most sense to invest your time/energy into? .... Kinda depends ... how much capital you have available, how much time you have committed to other endeavors etc etc. I think it's entirely possible.... that there's just a gap between your view/understanding of the markets, and reality. {Reactions} this ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Mar-25 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 I wish I had access to mat production in antares faction space [20-Mar-25 08:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Not to throw in a demand-side argument here, but I spend _maybe_ 5k a day on SC across all my bases [20-Mar-25 08:20 AM] evov#0000 Think of the permit system in game, to be a crude representation of people's time availability in the real world. [20-Mar-25 08:22 AM] evov#0000 At low permit count - business's that require low capital, but might require intense energy / micromanagment / time investment - make sense. At high permit count - Its not worth your time to get bogged down in business investments that require you to have a lot of input in the day-to-day operation. [20-Mar-25 08:22 AM] laaxus#0000 No, I took all of this into account, but if I had to go in such details, I wouldn't have been able to fit it into 2 lines (hence why I wrote "taking everything into account" (aka access to capital, how much time you have, your body health, your knowledge and experience etc etc tho in prun it's more simplified) [20-Mar-25 08:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 this is why I don't like to look at just ROI as a metric. Investing 1M in a base with an 8 day ROI isn't really that useful if you have 100M sitting around in your bank account. I think at some point, there's just a limitation in the game of where you can profitably deploy all that capital {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Mar-25 08:24 AM] evov#0000 Relevance to your SC example - As people's permit count's grow - they don't give a shit what the cost of SC is because it has such a minor impact on the overall profitability of their empire. [20-Mar-25 08:25 AM] zillatron#0000 ...and if your base turns a profit in 5 days or 10 days it doesnt materially impact anything apart from which day you get to start counting profit {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Mar-25 08:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I entirely disagree with this [20-Mar-25 08:26 AM] laaxus#0000 tho I agree with evov [20-Mar-25 08:26 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway I'm supposed to work so I don't have the time to debate much longer [20-Mar-25 08:26 AM] evov#0000 SC is also - a pain in the ass to produce vertically due to how low the demand volume is. You going to set up a base to extract TAI? ASM's to convert it to TA? Ship that heavy stuff around.... all to produce... how much per week? [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] zillatron#0000 you asked for opinions so that's mine lol [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think the point we can all take away is that a market has as many expectations as it does participants ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] zillatron#0000 yup [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 And that's what makes opinions interesting ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm glad we disagree [20-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 if I agreed with everybody for everything, world would be boring {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [20-Mar-25 08:28 AM] zillatron#0000 i guess i dont see it as a big enough issue to be concerned if someone else is making a base that has an ROI of 5 days or 10 or 20. Thats an issue for their profitability [20-Mar-25 08:29 AM] zillatron#0000 more people in ANT space with profitable bases is a good thing right? so why put an arbitary time frame on when they're allowed to make a profit? seems counter intuitive [20-Mar-25 08:31 AM] zillatron#0000 anyway my orignal question was about what was wrong with the price of SC haha [20-Mar-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 I just believe that 250k profit for a chp base is too high [20-Mar-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 that was the kick start [20-Mar-25 08:32 AM] evov#0000 Price of SC was slightly elevated in ANT space. Anyone with a little bit of spare cash and ship can easily go buy some from the other CX's and bring it to ANT. [20-Mar-25 08:32 AM] zillatron#0000 i dont understand the logic sorry haha [20-Mar-25 08:33 AM] zillatron#0000 Evo's logic i understand haha [20-Mar-25 08:33 AM] zillatron#0000 i dont understand how you can say making x profit is bad [20-Mar-25 08:33 AM] laaxus#0000 because it doesn't maximize welfare [20-Mar-25 08:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 I generally agree that (everything else being equal) - the profit of a given building doing _anything_ should be similar to anything else it does. But I think the whole vertical integration thing kicks in at some point - like SC requires a lot of stuff that seems like a PITA to source, so it makes sense that it would command a higher price [20-Mar-25 08:34 AM] sidepipe#0000 at some point, the profits you're seeing don't just pay for the CHP making the SC, they pay for everything else that you have to build to make the SC [20-Mar-25 08:34 AM] zillatron#0000 welfare doesnt make my line go up [20-Mar-25 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 welfare is how much value is created market wise [20-Mar-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway, I really have to go see ya [20-Mar-25 08:36 AM] evov#0000 One major error in the logic (imo) is the assumption that the high price now = high price for a prolonged period. Time between putting down a base and producing SC to bring it to market.... how confident are you that the price stays where it is? This is why I like to look at volume more than price. I think It gives a better indicator of supply /demand issues. I think supply/demand issues are a better prdictor of future price... than current price is. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Mar-25 08:37 AM] zillatron#0000 how much can you sell widget A at that price before widget B becomes the next high profit thing? [20-Mar-25 08:39 AM] zillatron#0000 my line is going up just fine so I must be doing something right not worrying to much about my 10 day ROI bases ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Mar-25 08:40 AM] evov#0000 I think that's one of the fun parts of the game tbh. Forming your own idea's / theories about the market and testing them out. Better understanding leads to better ideas leads to line go up faster. [20-Mar-25 08:41 AM] zillatron#0000 :stonks: [20-Mar-25 08:57 AM] zillatron#0000 Some food for thought for when you have more time: Let's say I put down a base that has a 3 day ROI. You would say (i think) that this is not good because the ROI is 'too fast' - what this *doesnt* tell you is how much other stuff I've built to get this base running. The ROI on *this base* is 3 days. ROI on the other 3 bases to feed it are 7, 5 and 11 days - is it still too fast? My argument is that counting the days to when i can say that particular base as profitable is useful(-ish, to me) but it's an incomplete picture of my actual profitability because the reality is it's at *least* 11 days until the entire supply chain is profitable...not counting production time and shipping to actually feed the base with the 3 day ROI. TL;DR - IMO it's more complicated than the ROI number in prun planner and getting hung up on that number is not super useful to you in the long run. ๐Ÿ–– [20-Mar-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 "The ROI on this base is 3 days." then it just means that market price aren't accurate [20-Mar-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 last time this happened, I fed the 3d roi base only from the CX, until price adjusted [20-Mar-25 08:59 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [20-Mar-25 09:34 AM] evov#0000 Either the market is wrong.... or the calculations for RoI differ from other people's. There's a lot of things that may, or may not be included in the RoI calcs. What price is being used for the input materials, the in consumes, the repairs? How will your increased buys or sells of these items impact that price? Are you including your permit cost? Are you including the amount of capital tied up in consumes held on base? Are you including the amount of capital tied up in input materials held on base? How long do you expect it will take to sell your outputs, how much capital is tied up for how long in those? How much capital is tied up in the ships required to service this base? What's the logistics cost per unit for inputs, for outputs? How do you calculate the loss of income incurred while population fills? While experts are still being generated? I understand it's common for people to use a set of tools, that show a number with "RoI" next to it. It's possible... that actual cost to establish a base is quite different to the value being used to deliver a "3day RoI" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Mar-25 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 1) Ask 2) They will change, it's expected 3) yes 4) yes 5) yes 6) while I don't do it, I should try to estimate how long it takes for the material to be sold 7) I'm including shipping cost yes 8) same as 7 9) I assume population fills in one week and experts instantly to 5. Not perfect approximation but good enough [20-Mar-25 09:39 AM] laaxus#0000 that's how I do it [20-Mar-25 09:40 AM] laaxus#0000 my roi is not just the number on the prunplanner plan [20-Mar-25 09:41 AM] evov#0000 Well, if you've considered all the details, and still see a glitch in the matrix, jump on it and get rich. [20-Mar-25 09:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I've reached the point (HQ 20) where it wouldn't be worth it anymore to do it [20-Mar-25 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 I might do it for other reasons [20-Mar-25 09:45 AM] tanda#0000 Well, you could always be at HQ 22, lol [20-Mar-25 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 technically, I'm HQ 21 [20-Mar-25 09:45 AM] tanda#0000 I'm looking at dropping an electronics base with a year long ROI after permit [20-Mar-25 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 I wished we had access the distribution of active players per hq level [20-Mar-25 09:46 AM] evov#0000 So, maybe the market prices ARE accurate... and just reflect's the fact that for a lot of people, that 3day RoI base isn't "worth it" [20-Mar-25 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 Again, I'm not saying the market IS wrong [20-Mar-25 09:46 AM] laaxus#0000 because I'd need more data to make that assessment [20-Mar-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I was saying that that I **thought** the market is wrong [20-Mar-25 09:47 AM] evov#0000 If only there's a way to see hq levels - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352292515256078407/image.png?ex=6814db0c&is=6813898c&hm=5418927b7414f1c1a055d1da59c561be40dc247325798a9ab1516a8f235eed81& [20-Mar-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 and asked for opinions on that matters [20-Mar-25 09:47 AM] laaxus#0000 yes, but now I want active players only [20-Mar-25 09:48 AM] laaxus#0000 and without spending 5h (best case) doing it by hand [20-Mar-25 09:50 AM] evov#0000 Doesn't show how many are active. And this looks like it's bases instead of permits. But should be an indicator at least. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1352293230686765118/image.png?ex=6814dbb6&is=68138a36&hm=b4ff94e2faad5ecc7676f2a8046bd4169cff9eeecbacf7cc6795b9ffb5031823& [20-Mar-25 09:51 AM] evov#0000 I would think that a lot of the <5 base players count are inactive. [20-Mar-25 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 but yes, if we assume the majority of bases belongs to players with HQ lvl > 20, then that everybase is around 100k profit/d is not that surprising [20-Mar-25 09:53 AM] evov#0000 There's lots of things that tilt the scales. Most new players will be doing Agriculture or Smelting, so those industries are almost always less profitable. A lot of extraction bases will require more ships... so despite cheap bases... also not suitable for low capital players. [20-Mar-25 09:55 AM] evov#0000 Bases that require higher tier work forces usually cost a lot more to build, which also tends to exclude low capital players. Its part of why there's always a constant tension between roi and $/area. [20-Mar-25 10:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 I believe so, [20-Mar-25 10:39 AM] marat_sh#0000 Isnโ€™t that stat wrong? There was a website that counted player bases even if you remove it and build another one. It only added build bases but not subtracting remove bases [20-Mar-25 10:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 anyone run the numbers for public FIO data? [20-Mar-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 that was https://prunstats.com/ iirc [20-Mar-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 some planets are said to have 3000+ bases on them [20-Mar-25 11:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 which isnt really possible lol [20-Mar-25 01:15 PM] finestone#0000 Good luck sourcing that much continuous TA and not crashing the SC market [20-Mar-25 01:15 PM] finestone#0000 in your world TA would be priced at 32k [20-Mar-25 01:17 PM] finestone#0000 the problem is not that SC price is incorrect its simply the input good is annoying and the difference between 18-22k TA is very fine line. [20-Mar-25 01:17 PM] laaxus#0000 Then maybe it's the current TA price that is under valued [20-Mar-25 01:19 PM] finestone#0000 that is correct somone is just selling cheap TA [20-Mar-25 01:19 PM] finestone#0000 do your CHP calc with 22k TA [21-Mar-25 01:23 AM] evov#0000 https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/basecount I can't speak for all the stats, but it has my base count correct. When I mouse over the 38 base line, it shows my company name there. [21-Mar-25 01:31 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s got my info right [21-Mar-25 05:08 AM] zillatron#0000 the example im using is a MM product so the sale price is fixed (i did that deliberately because the sale price is fixed) - the ROI number for *that* base is making a lot of assumptions. Anyway the point im trying to make is that looking at that 1 number is not a good guide to *real profitability* - it's a guide at best and saying a particular number is good or bad is not super useful in the scheme of things. [22-Mar-25 11:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 on phobos I HAVE 20 FP producing DW and MEA sometimes but MTP is running dry, so I was thinking of dropping FP to 17 and build 4 IVP [22-Mar-25 11:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 or do you think MTP would require a complete new planet set up > [22-Mar-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 no, the hybrid setup should work. It is a shame to run IVPs without bonuses, though [22-Mar-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 can you fit them on Norwick or SE-110a? [22-Mar-25 11:57 PM] tanda#0000 or Hermes? [22-Mar-25 11:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 norwick is part of a project .. SE-110 a is producing CLI and DW ( for you) I don;t have a base on Hermes [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 it's also kinda far jeez [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 oops, yeah. I forgot about that for a second [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 not that far actually [22-Mar-25 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 It's not a bad spot for IVPs. not a lot of shipping with that [23-Mar-25 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 what do you mean [23-Mar-25 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 IVPs are FI, just like FPs are [23-Mar-25 12:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah phobos isn't one and DW profits are dropping [23-Mar-25 12:00 AM] jcheung#0000 oh herp derp [23-Mar-25 12:01 AM] jcheung#0000 i missed the planet [23-Mar-25 12:01 AM] jcheung#0000 i have a planet where i run 15 FP 5 IVP [23-Mar-25 12:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 should I put some IVP on SE-110a? I have see tons of chatter about them recently but never really considered them [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 well MTP is definitely Needed, im not sure who's taking step to fix that.. [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 its for MEA right? [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 yup [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] jcheung#0000 also why 17 FP? you should be able to run 18 FP and 4 IVP [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah true [23-Mar-25 12:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 nah I was playing with the numbers [23-Mar-25 12:04 AM] jcheung#0000 (the 18th FP will run at 50% but i feel that's worth it) [23-Mar-25 12:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 IVP makes my ROI way worse tho D: [23-Mar-25 12:07 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, unfortunately it's because your experts are in RE [23-Mar-25 12:07 AM] tanda#0000 (this is why I was talking about conflict of interest) [23-Mar-25 12:08 AM] tanda#0000 where did sidepipe's new FP planet go up? [23-Mar-25 12:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [23-Mar-25 12:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 SE-110a is my FP base [23-Mar-25 12:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 SE-110c is H2O [23-Mar-25 12:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 why do you have RE experts in 110a ? [23-Mar-25 12:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 for CLI extraction ? [23-Mar-25 12:10 AM] tanda#0000 I may be too drunk for this conversation [23-Mar-25 12:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† [23-Mar-25 12:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 SE-052a! [23-Mar-25 12:15 AM] sidepipe#0000 Only PIO atm tho, I havenโ€™t built up SET or TEC. But itโ€™s a good place to outsource FP to {Reactions} โค๏ธ [23-Mar-25 12:27 AM] tanda#0000 heck yeah {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [23-Mar-25 06:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 if you want to make mtp quickly, I have some NS and PPA up for sale on AI1, or I could sell direct for some discount if you need :D [23-Mar-25 07:14 AM] vanarazor#0000 good to know I ll let you knowif I ever manage to get the R fabs for it [23-Mar-25 07:14 AM] vanarazor#0000 for now it looks like it might take some days before I have the funds [23-Mar-25 07:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 yep, just lmk [23-Mar-25 07:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 but I do have all my stock of both on the CX, so they might sell there first [23-Mar-25 11:08 AM] tarrant1113#0000 Any quick tips for a newer player, got Extracot/smelter running AL, and an INC to run carbon [because cheaper than buying?] should i just look to expand that set up? Im thinking prefabs? [23-Mar-25 11:12 AM] tanda#0000 Give it a little minute before you try to correct this, but I wouldn't try to run INC on Deimos [23-Mar-25 11:13 AM] tanda#0000 A good rule of thumb I use when I design ~~planets~~bases is to have no more than two industries on that planet, and no more than one off COGC [23-Mar-25 11:13 AM] tanda#0000 the COGC for Deimos is metallurgy, so that's your smelters. Given the volumes of ore you go through, I would suggest Extractors after that. [23-Mar-25 11:14 AM] tanda#0000 Save INC and Agri production for your second and third planets [23-Mar-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 otherwise your experts get split and everything just takes forever, takes up too much space and is too expensive [23-Mar-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 in many cases it's actually cheaper to buy, because it's harder to count in things like opportunity costs [23-Mar-25 11:15 AM] tanda#0000 Like: If instead of building that INC you built a SME, would that be better profit per day? [23-Mar-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 are you on Deimos? any chance I can talk you into joining a prefab co-op? [23-Mar-25 12:19 PM] tanda#0000 Are you guys still not full yet? [23-Mar-25 12:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 nope [23-Mar-25 12:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 3 more bases I think [23-Mar-25 12:27 PM] tanda#0000 Nice, maybe almost there [23-Mar-25 02:42 PM] tarrant1113#0000 Demios ii I think, away from computer right now, yup Demios and yes im interested, I think i joined your server {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Mar-25 04:30 PM] evany.#0000 im sorry someone reached out to me the other day and diggin through my dm's i cant find you i might have accidentally closed it i guess. you wanted help with an EPO base? hit me up again i'll try to feel less dumb about it this time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [23-Mar-25 08:08 PM] vzealousv#0000 Has anyone got any ideas as to what I should start off doing as a metallurgist in Deimos? [23-Mar-25 08:09 PM] tanda#0000 metal. I would buy an entire base's worth of FE a day, for instance [23-Mar-25 08:10 PM] tanda#0000 just more at the 840 mark, not the 950 mark [23-Mar-25 08:13 PM] vzealousv#0000 Then what [23-Mar-25 08:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 I did this : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1353546979631693940/image.png?ex=6814ce1b&is=68137c9b&hm=24fb8502a6bdbea19bb1f1d61bcc99d680b9263b082569bea5aeea668f2d5b0b& [23-Mar-25 08:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 I set up a screen for each materials category and every time I wonder about recipe ramifications, I simply click on the mat itself [23-Mar-25 08:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 If I had the chance to have a base Deimos I would smelt ALO and FEO [23-Mar-25 08:55 PM] vanarazor#0000 and try to secure my AL and FE for Construction prefabs builders and get a chunk of prefabs back to me [23-Mar-25 08:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 alternatively you can open a "NEW BFR: window like this : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1353547918451150848/image.png?ex=6814cefb&is=68137d7b&hm=220a0ab447eb441f459bae9ee8baed55141b8994a9e8c827b815319f27406045& [23-Mar-25 08:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 and you would get that : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1353547970460782695/image.png?ex=6814cf07&is=68137d87&hm=00b689b69c1e1e364af15f1f1ae4f3c941666e275027fff8705253f84a8b1f5a& [23-Mar-25 08:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 FE has a lot of application but not as much as AL [23-Mar-25 08:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 both are pretty much interconnected but I 'd prefer smelting more AL than FE [23-Mar-25 09:00 PM] spinydeath#0000 @vanarazor I wish you could share that mat page it looks so good [23-Mar-25 09:00 PM] spinydeath#0000 and i too lazy to make it myself [23-Mar-25 09:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 it is very easy to do, I 'd recommend it [23-Mar-25 09:04 PM] spinydeath#0000 do you just put the material categories or is it something special [23-Mar-25 09:07 PM] spinydeath#0000 i figured it out {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [23-Mar-25 09:09 PM] vzealousv#0000 thank you for all the information {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [23-Mar-25 09:10 PM] vzealousv#0000 One thing I am struggling with is I am looking at the market supply/demand and volume traded for most of the products and it looks like the supply outweighs the demand and the volume is quite low, how does anyone actually trade large quantities of items? [23-Mar-25 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 I've been known to spend millions across every CX to get the cheap items I need [23-Mar-25 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 I know others do similar [23-Mar-25 09:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 On Deimos AL is like the defacto choice for everyone [23-Mar-25 09:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But STL and FE can do well as well [23-Mar-25 09:21 PM] vzealousv#0000 and when you sell any of these items are you selling at the ask price or the bid price [23-Mar-25 09:21 PM] vzealousv#0000 or somewhere in the middle [23-Mar-25 09:50 PM] vzealousv#0000 Okay I was using the "traded" stat and that doesn't seem to reflect the actual traded volume [24-Mar-25 03:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL is definitely oversupplies atm and prices are really cheap. AL is always in high demand, especially for pfabs and ship parts. But we lost a big player producing ships, so I guess market is currently saturated. Nonetheless, AL is a very good and stable market. Just not giving much profit atm. [24-Mar-25 03:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FE and STL are currently good choices, tho everything else then AL is getting heavy and harder to ship [24-Mar-25 03:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 CU is stagnating, AU has a little demand spike, but probably nothing sustainable [24-Mar-25 03:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 depends on the market, my strategy, my pricing model and if I need cash now or if I can wait. [24-Mar-25 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 basically, if you can wait for the cash, put it at ask and let it sit. If you need the money now, sell at bid. [24-Mar-25 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 check if the prices are reasonable and profitable for you first [24-Mar-25 03:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 supply/demand is a difficult metric to read and not something I was able to really use for my advantage. I mostly use it as an indicator. Markets adjust really slowly in this game. [24-Mar-25 10:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m official petitioning to make IA-151b to the official IDC planet of ANT space. As discussed in the ADI discord, IDC is produced, no matter if you like it or not. Even tho they donโ€™t interact much with the market, they still generate revenue for the region (consumables and repair materials). Most of the IDC is not produced in ANT space, even tho we have probably a lot of Antareans producing those. So an official, high SCI planet in ANT space capable to support the antarean IDC bases is just logical, to support the region and siphone off some of that IDC money into AI1. [24-Mar-25 02:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1353819859229741086/image.png?ex=68147abf&is=6813293f&hm=935f650dd8ba32d109ed35df5e1d706492cfa9cd12437e3a48d548878de90181& [24-Mar-25 02:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 but none of them LS-014 have scientists: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1353819967510020117/image.png?ex=68147ad9&is=68132959&hm=7618ef3eb27c1cd4cced68a436f309928d40ecd3fac7783f5936cc2f66c3bfa7& [24-Mar-25 09:32 PM] evov#0000 If you want a pure IDC base - Phobos -> Malahat -> Jeetiyu. Of the 4 Electronics planets I govern in the ANT region - ( LS-014a, LS-014b, IA-151b, IA-158e ) - 158e is the only one that has sci on it / the pop inf required to support them. If someone put down a 400sci base on any of those planets ... it's taking somewhere between 10 and 16 weeks to fill the pop. If people really want more IDC capable planets, I'm happy to work through a solution.... but it'll be longer and slower than anyone wants. It would start with requiring mixed bases from people, to grow the tech/eng pop as well. Eng/Sci don't get ANY passive immigration... only programs (sci is 25 per week, eng is 50 per week ) or education movement ..... which will be very very minor if the previous pop tier is small. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 01:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 Does that look good to you ? https://prunplanner.org/shared/ca0c6c09-0067-4eb6-929a-168c20b92e48 next to NIKE PP2 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/ca0c6c09-0067-4eb6-929a-168c20b92e48 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Mar-25 01:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 profit 300K, cost 5KK, ROI 16.5d [25-Mar-25 01:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 Also I can't decide if 3 permits for 1000/1000 ORC base is worth it compare to a single permit ORC base (I feel ORC base is almost not worth since it can not even produce enough to feed 1 FER base [25-Mar-25 01:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/09c246e1-6c24-4a22-b202-de4f76e5dc85 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/09c246e1-6c24-4a22-b202-de4f76e5dc85 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Mar-25 01:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 i ll br back in 1h30 [25-Mar-25 01:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 No I donโ€™t think Nike Jr as we sometimes call it can support those pops youโ€™re looking for {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 01:20 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Also how are you going to get KV and EPO? Just buy off the CX? [25-Mar-25 01:26 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There are 34 empty jobs for ENG already and you would be adding the demand for 120 more [25-Mar-25 01:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It would take a bit for the pop to be there for that base [25-Mar-25 01:55 AM] laaxus#0000 3 permit is Never worth {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 01:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Only do it if you're roleplaying a monopoly [25-Mar-25 01:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Like zipatsu [25-Mar-25 02:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 noted [25-Mar-25 02:56 AM] magican1980#0000 In the long run (after HQ 10 latest) you should calculate Profit per Permit, because with higher HQ the cost for upgrades goes up. After HQ 20 -> 21 = ~6-7 Mio Credit! [25-Mar-25 02:58 AM] magican1980#0000 atm I'm at 18 Permits, with a profit about 1.3 Mio daily ~72k Profit per Permit [25-Mar-25 03:04 AM] magican1980#0000 My products (selling) are Carbon and Rat, with own H2O and NS Input for HYF [25-Mar-25 04:36 AM] evov#0000 I would say 20 permits is the breakpoint where $/permit becomes more important than RoI. Up to 20 permits - do the closest thing you can to unrestricted growth. 20 -> 30 refine your choices with $/Area in mind. 30+ start ripping down old low $/Area bases as needed. [25-Mar-25 05:50 AM] magican1980#0000 In the end it comes to how much liquid cash you have, before you must sell. atm I'm lucky with the prices for RAT (mostly 160+, without market cap I predict 200+ possible) and my Carbon production expanded at a time, where the prices where at 750-850 Credits, but now it has saturated mostly the demand for productions. Many Buy-Orders at CX Benten and Antares are Traders. I expect a steady price at 700 Credit or between 650-700 credits in the next 2-3 months. [25-Mar-25 06:00 AM] magican1980#0000 and yes, I looking for optimisation in my production chains ๐Ÿ™‚ on the other side, I had luck for my own Inputs H2O for the hungry HYF and now NS, because market didnt deliver enough at a steady price. HQ 20-30 about ~200-210 Mio Credits and so I need to accumulate cash and ships for the next expansions ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Mar-25 06:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Why has Electronica a chem COGC ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Mar-25 06:48 AM] tanda#0000 I've never heard a good answer, but I'm happy to have more Chem planets than Electronic [25-Mar-25 06:50 AM] laaxus#0000 we don't have enough chem planets [25-Mar-25 06:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Hal -> 2 CL -> 2 EPO is already 4 chem planets [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, that might explain why CL is so expensive ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It goes in DDT, EPO and probably a lot more [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Going to start to produce some, too soon [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 please do so [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] tanda#0000 Yeah, I'm eyeballing doing a couple Chem planet bootstraps next [25-Mar-25 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 project CORGI appreciate any new CL production ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Mar-25 06:52 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't even have to drop a HAL base if you don't want to [25-Mar-25 06:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 resource market is fine, so Iโ€™m looking into things less ship heavy [25-Mar-25 06:55 AM] manhim#0000 Dropping 4 chem bases in the short term too [25-Mar-25 06:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 HAL seems very stable on the market [25-Mar-25 07:01 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah (tho if you want to buy hal for cheaper, you could buy it directly at halcyon) [25-Mar-25 07:02 AM] manhim#0000 YK-024 has 2 underdeveloped chem planets close to Halcyon. [25-Mar-25 07:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We have another in IA-151, but itโ€™s a bit of a trip [25-Mar-25 08:01 AM] evov#0000 2 Chem planets here. <1 day flight from ANT CX. 151d is not accepting any new engineering demand at the moment. But 158c is wide open. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354077695444652082/image.png?ex=6814c220&is=681370a0&hm=cae7c3140529e8b6beac9fc4deeab5b8cffcc1244e7152bcf9e3602021b1cd23& [25-Mar-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 does no one produce LFabs ?? ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Mar-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354128557303009392/Screenshot_from_2025-03-25_17-22-21.png?ex=6814f17e&is=68139ffe&hm=1afb0e23e4e3b7ea6ac49e0f2184aa85f204c1fc69fca1e548465b21ffb13b99& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354128557621641236/Screenshot_from_2025-03-25_17-22-13.png?ex=6814f17e&is=68139ffe&hm=34eecb71701c4ff3571ad9f361948c78a0fe75cdcba4bc67471bff8c6fac858c& [25-Mar-25 11:54 AM] sidepipe#0000 I used to have a nike base, but I stopped because Lfabs were so cheap it didn't make sense to keep the base. seems like that might have changed since then ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Mar-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 some people love to buy everything I put on sale [25-Mar-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 but absolutely refuses to put bid [25-Mar-25 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 like maybe, just maybe, if you put bids, people would sell into them {Reactions} โค๏ธ [25-Mar-25 12:40 PM] realharvey#0000 I never sell into bids which is why I also dont put up bids [25-Mar-25 12:40 PM] realharvey#0000 kkeeps to much capital on the CX [25-Mar-25 12:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah - I've put out some bids before, but it seems like you have to either choose a) a price not much lower than the ask so it gets filled right away or b) a lower price that gets frontrun a lot and that you'll need to refresh a few times to get filled [25-Mar-25 12:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 since cash is less of an issue for me, I just buy things at ask to save time [25-Mar-25 12:47 PM] laaxus#0000 How is not selling into bids, not holding your capital up [25-Mar-25 12:51 PM] realharvey#0000 it holds my capital up and increases my revenue by 5-30%. I am okay with that since I need to save up capital for 2-3 Weeks to upgrade my HQ [25-Mar-25 12:52 PM] realharvey#0000 and putting up bids for my needs leads to extra busy work [25-Mar-25 02:02 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah this is my experience. I was trying to buy FE locally and just wasn't getting any sales [25-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .shiva.#0000 The only bids I put up are large underpriced ones I don't expect to get filled any time soon [25-Mar-25 02:20 PM] .shiva.#0000 They only catch when someone does a huge offload [25-Mar-25 03:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have been able to buy steel locally [25-Mar-25 04:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I do, but not that many [25-Mar-25 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How does it feel to be alone in this battle? [25-Mar-25 04:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png [25-Mar-25 04:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but also {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354201644132204648/image.png?ex=68148ccf&is=68133b4f&hm=526bf6c94ff12f778dfaafb202fecaefe5480dd030fc3b78851c34fdc8aac630& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354201644371546142/image.png?ex=68148ccf&is=68133b4f&hm=229e16de817cf7459f03b401bdfdd1f487c3c6a1f97d944b59a28de26f5e89ed& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354201644870533341/image.png?ex=68148ccf&is=68133b4f&hm=ec365ed0510c40794a68d0ad544020222415512d00c1f8ed0028e86da5950855& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354201645298487316/image.png?ex=68148cd0&is=68133b50&hm=12b6f80d61a16779ff1835f597ca9ff84a4104f24e61614e6bbe818b7159d2e6& [25-Mar-25 04:14 PM] jvaler#0000 rprun added LEAD per day numbers?? razenpok is the best {Reactions} bigblob [25-Mar-25 04:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 woah [25-Mar-25 04:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @razenpok how does it feel to be cool? {Reactions} kekw [25-Mar-25 04:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png [25-Mar-25 04:15 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [25-Mar-25 04:15 PM] jvaler#0000 is that ui bug with the blue separating lines vanilla or rprun tho? [25-Mar-25 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Looks like a bug of the per day feature [25-Mar-25 04:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i'll take new feature > aesthetic bug any day =P {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [25-Mar-25 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 I did not even notice it until you said it lol [25-Mar-25 04:17 PM] jvaler#0000 my claim to best beta tester remains uncontested ๐Ÿ˜Œ {Reactions} true (2) [25-Mar-25 04:17 PM] razenpok#0000 Where were you when beta is kil [25-Mar-25 04:17 PM] jvaler#0000 lmaoo [25-Mar-25 04:19 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was about to say, since when is per day there ๐Ÿ˜„ โค๏ธ Razenpok {Reactions} blobthanks [25-Mar-25 04:27 PM] jcheung#0000 Wait a fucking minute, why do i see my name on the leaderboard {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Mar-25 04:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Huh, I don't have the blue separating lines bug {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354206848416485427/image.png?ex=681491a8&is=68134028&hm=0965b47f41ee35b84aa480fbf0dd874eba25125ced4a55513808264643129d08& [25-Mar-25 04:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Do you use Firefox? [25-Mar-25 04:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes [25-Mar-25 04:37 PM] razenpok#0000 wtf lol, on firefox some lines are thinner than others {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354207676342603786/image.png?ex=6814926e&is=681340ee&hm=abe9656d15f906b9ef774bd1f867be63990b864144e63319ec0fa4cdfdb27184& [25-Mar-25 04:38 PM] razenpok#0000 I think your pixel density is not that high to be able to render them properly [25-Mar-25 04:40 PM] razenpok#0000 Make a screenshot of APEX Representation Center leaderboard pls [25-Mar-25 04:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354208638473994332/image.png?ex=68149353&is=681341d3&hm=9705f769dc49b21ce7e1748b58c075cbff2e8653cd062fd38692a5510d9ec043& [25-Mar-25 04:42 PM] razenpok#0000 'ight imma out of here [25-Mar-25 04:42 PM] razenpok#0000 It's a base game nug [25-Mar-25 04:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 aight [25-Mar-25 04:42 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354208960453804113/Screen_Recording_2025-03-25_at_22.42.41.mov?ex=681493a0&is=68134220&hm=c229a94784a552d5e8b09aedaff6302cc85db1b1be6621ded68644e94e8e5b40& [25-Mar-25 04:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 how does it feel now that you know its not your problem? [25-Mar-25 04:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png [25-Mar-25 04:43 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FHzHlyPas4zmIpRYEHvNaV4ls8ElvB0ix_DfKNkY0XY/https/media.tenor.com/9Sup2y9ZmiQAAAAe/feels-good.png [25-Mar-25 04:44 PM] razenpok#0000 but also wtf firefox, how and why? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [25-Mar-25 04:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh, I have the issue too (on firefox) [25-Mar-25 04:51 PM] razenpok#0000 Oh wait, it's actually a rprun bug [25-Mar-25 04:51 PM] razenpok#0000 But from a different feature [25-Mar-25 04:51 PM] razenpok#0000 It's caused by `table-rows-alternating-colors` [25-Mar-25 04:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 I was wondering if it was related to the alternating colors (also didn't realize that was an rprun feature) [25-Mar-25 05:00 PM] razenpok#0000 I'll add a fix in the next version [25-Mar-25 05:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Weird though, it only reproduces on firefox [25-Mar-25 05:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 yes, Firefox is weird [25-Mar-25 06:08 PM] tanda#0000 hey, that was your job! [25-Mar-25 06:26 PM] zillatron#0000 I'm right there on the list! [25-Mar-25 06:27 PM] tanda#0000 well, there's two new construction planets that are ready for PP2's [25-Mar-25 06:27 PM] tanda#0000 start those bases up [25-Mar-25 06:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I upgraded my permit [25-Mar-25 06:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I will be slapping UPFs down [25-Mar-25 11:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 I produce EPO andPG I can start producing some KV as well [25-Mar-25 11:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 well I thought the polpulation would grow depending on the needs of the planets especially if there is an university on that planet [25-Mar-25 11:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 isn;t what this little book icon means : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354306237575204975/image.png?ex=6814ee38&is=68139cb8&hm=e95aba133511a48a0061ab6eabd7041b665bd9fbb6c0289f631e85932a44732d& [25-Mar-25 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 idk if that is what that means [25-Mar-25 11:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 but yes it has a uni [25-Mar-25 11:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 @.urpalhal so what you are saying is PP2 on NIKE and NIKE jr and PP3 & PP4s omewhere else where population of technician and engineers have some adequate % of unemployment? [25-Mar-25 11:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354306805811122236/image.png?ex=6814eec0&is=68139d40&hm=5bd6fe97a1240af0cdc0dbc818d83dbc741870139c749d3648f4c7432368a1c8& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 11:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nike would be ok for those [25-Mar-25 11:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh ************** damn it I just built a pp2 on NIKE [25-Mar-25 11:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nike jr would take more work [25-Mar-25 11:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 how do you build up the tech and eng population ? [25-Mar-25 11:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can run programs or build up the population and supply population infrastructure [25-Mar-25 11:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which you would need to talk to the gov about [25-Mar-25 11:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like you could do it but like aceland is already built up with a lot of the POPI to support Eng so that might be better [25-Mar-25 11:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If you do put a base down on Nike jr with those pops I would reach out before hand {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [25-Mar-25 11:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 im not gonna in the near future [25-Mar-25 11:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 but thanks for the tips [25-Mar-25 11:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 I ll reach out one day [25-Mar-25 11:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b39a2eaf-5a93-4b48-89e2-07b165082526 IVP > MTP what is better 11IVP no sto? 9days round 10IVP room for 3 STO .. lol I tend to think I can make it work once a week refill and pick up also what about technicians there? will they come or you need a campaign ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354312522722840627/image.png?ex=6814f413&is=6813a293&hm=26b5127accb5a2965bc3b689bb45ddaa36f697958946b806cbb69e03e38e1527& {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b39a2eaf-5a93-4b48-89e2-07b165082526 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Mar-25 01:02 AM] vanarazor#0000 seems like a pretty tight PIO SET population [26-Mar-25 02:19 AM] laaxus#0000 to all GF guys out there [26-Mar-25 02:19 AM] laaxus#0000 please produce GL [26-Mar-25 02:19 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354354118709481552/image.png?ex=68151ad0&is=6813c950&hm=29cc1315142610b5c4fa8d1fa64c359afdb6aa61b8837c4c13119cedbaba810d& [26-Mar-25 02:20 AM] laaxus#0000 Kind regards, The Management [26-Mar-25 02:24 AM] vanarazor#0000 I was literally looking at it!!! [26-Mar-25 02:25 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354355685063921664/image.png?ex=68147386&is=68132206&hm=92eba2e98a84bcfe42c8fb3a69c7bc2638bb8f99c2e4d34d76b38c91dffaf4d9& [26-Mar-25 02:26 AM] vanarazor#0000 there is a list of bases that I wish to drop that keeps getting longer and longer [26-Mar-25 03:41 AM] taiyibureau#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1354374719821971548/Screenshot_2025-03-26-08-41-05-498_org.mozilla.firefox-edit.jpg?ex=68148540&is=681333c0&hm=b3989195de4611a60b141e1160b7af0fb2e69f5980036f0c2df43b4154195c98& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [26-Mar-25 03:41 AM] taiyibureau#0000 The book means there is an ADM [26-Mar-25 03:51 AM] vanarazor#0000 thank you good sir [26-Mar-25 04:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was literally looking at the GL market yesterday or so - it was well stocked and unprofitable to produce ๐Ÿ˜ณ [26-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 wth happened [26-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 that was so sudden [26-Mar-25 06:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 it ran out like last week, but I thought it stabilised since then? [26-Mar-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Stock ran out last week [26-Mar-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 but consumption is still higher than production [26-Mar-25 06:56 AM] laaxus#0000 so situation has not been solved [26-Mar-25 08:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 just an idea to throw out there, would it not be pretty profitable to have a few ships just costantly move good from one CX to another? [26-Mar-25 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 not worth it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜” [26-Mar-25 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 tho yes you could earn money that way [26-Mar-25 08:20 AM] laaxus#0000 unless you have gigantic capital, you'll try to buy at ask, and sell at bid in another cx [26-Mar-25 08:21 AM] laaxus#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/tradefinder [26-Mar-25 08:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 bleh, i have already been experimenting with some CX gambling, basically whenever im bored im open up `XIT MATS` and browse through all the CXM to find where there are undersupplied markets, and il buy out some amount of stock and sell it at a higher price [26-Mar-25 08:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 its not super lucrative but does work slowly [26-Mar-25 08:22 AM] laaxus#0000 just not worth the capital investment if you ask me [26-Mar-25 08:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have made about 1.1 mil total on maybe a 1mil investment across everythign I have done [26-Mar-25 08:23 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah probably correct but its free money when im saving up for something and my money is idle [26-Mar-25 08:24 AM] laaxus#0000 for that, I rather like to just put bids [26-Mar-25 08:24 AM] laaxus#0000 they either get filled or not [26-Mar-25 08:24 AM] laaxus#0000 win win [26-Mar-25 08:24 AM] laaxus#0000 but to each his own [26-Mar-25 08:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 wait wdym? [26-Mar-25 08:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 like you just put a lowball and see if someone accepts? [26-Mar-25 08:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 would you then resell that quickly? [26-Mar-25 08:26 AM] laaxus#0000 no, I just put bids for the input good I need [26-Mar-25 08:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I usually buy at ask [26-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 so when I have capital idling [26-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I put bid for input good I need [26-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 at a price lower than ask, but above the highest bid, at a price I consider reasonable {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Mar-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 (because the point is for the bid to get filled) [26-Mar-25 08:28 AM] laaxus#0000 for example, 10k GL at 400/u, 1K NL at 5000/u, etc etc {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Mar-25 08:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 I just figured out how this work, genuine cheating ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Mar-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 nah, it onlu takes the highest bid and the lowest ask so it's far from perfect [26-Mar-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 its still a really good tool tho [26-Mar-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 Back when I had time, I started programming a software that would tell you what to buy and where to sell it to maximise profit from trade [26-Mar-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 issue is : the algorithm is far from obvious [26-Mar-25 08:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 how so? [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 too long and complex to write it down rn when I'm supposed to work ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 sry sry [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah all good [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 np [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] evov#0000 fixt [26-Mar-25 08:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 damn that was fast lmao [26-Mar-25 08:33 AM] laaxus#0000 GL at 600 ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Mar-25 08:33 AM] evov#0000 I didn't change production. Just had 17 thousand GL sitting in my warehouse {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [26-Mar-25 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't know what is happening those last few weeks [26-Mar-25 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 but I feel like we have a shortage of everything [26-Mar-25 08:34 AM] laaxus#0000 everything is underproduced [26-Mar-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 either that or we're suffering a huge inflation spike [26-Mar-25 08:38 AM] evov#0000 When prices are too low for too long, people stop making the stuff. Market slowly eats through the stockpile. Dummies think they're doing the "right" thing by continuing to sell short supply items cheaply. This prevents or delays the signal (increased price) for people to consider producing more. Then you run into a problem far worse than inflated prices - supply availability. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [26-Mar-25 08:51 AM] zillatron#0000 I'm pretty sure GL has been in a supply deficit for longer than this week, someone ate 5000 like 2 weeks ago so its gonna take a bit to rebalance [26-Mar-25 08:55 AM] evov#0000 Universe wide - GL supply is fine and price is a bit low imo. I think it's just local ANT supply that's short. [26-Mar-25 08:59 AM] zillatron#0000 yeh i dont sell much to the CX so i'm not really across it, prunplanner's market history seems to tell more or less the same story [26-Mar-25 09:03 AM] zillatron#0000 folks buying 5000 at a time probs not helping ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Mar-25 09:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 fr [26-Mar-25 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 It's not only GL [26-Mar-25 12:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 Also big player leaving, burns currencies, which is the opposite of inflation, weird [27-Mar-25 11:14 AM] tarrant1113#0000 Currently Got an SME bas with the DNPC Coop and a HER base on Hamronia. Any Tips on what I should be looking at for a 3rd base? Should I go FIM somewhere? [27-Mar-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 You can't go wrong with a FP base on norwick [27-Mar-25 11:18 AM] laaxus#0000 you also could build a CHP base on griffonstone [27-Mar-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 you could also build an POL base [27-Mar-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 the HAL -> CL -> EPO chain is very lucrative and as safe as it gets [27-Mar-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 you could also build another FRM base on demeter [27-Mar-25 11:20 AM] tarrant1113#0000 Lol so many options [27-Mar-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 You could also build half a PP2 base on either norwick or aceland [27-Mar-25 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 they're all viable option, I don't really want to tell you how to play [27-Mar-25 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 create a base on prunplanner for each possibility, weight the pro and cons and chose ! [27-Mar-25 11:22 AM] tarrant1113#0000 I was initally thing FIM, but I think id need 2 HER bases to properly supply [27-Mar-25 11:22 AM] tarrant1113#0000 based on planner [27-Mar-25 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 you don't need to be entirely safe reliant [27-Mar-25 11:22 AM] laaxus#0000 it's ok to buy input goods from the cx [27-Mar-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 you could buy HER from the cx in the meantime [27-Mar-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 you could produce something else in parallel if you prefer (like dw or rats) [27-Mar-25 11:23 AM] laaxus#0000 if prunplanner tells you it's profitable, you aren't losing money by buying goods on the cx ! [27-Mar-25 11:24 AM] tarrant1113#0000 haha fair [27-Mar-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 most player really try to integrate vertically as much as possible [27-Mar-25 11:24 AM] tarrant1113#0000 same [27-Mar-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 but if everybody was entirely vertical, there would be no sales [27-Mar-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 no market [27-Mar-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 there's really no fear to have by relying on the cx [27-Mar-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 in fact, that's how I made a shit ton of money early on [27-Mar-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 RAT sellers had mostly integrated supply chains [27-Mar-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 RAT price was high [27-Mar-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 but input goods price were low [27-Mar-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 meaning that, by buying the input goods on the cx, I made a shit ton of money, much more than the other producers that vertically integrated [27-Mar-25 11:54 PM] evany.#0000 i would actually highly encourage you not to vertically integrate at all at least your first 3-5 bases [27-Mar-25 11:55 PM] evany.#0000 it can be much harder/longer turn around to 'realize' any gains the further your vertically integrated [28-Mar-25 12:00 AM] evany.#0000 when you have ten bases and pulling 1mil a week that might matter a lot less , but when you still are kinda scraping by trying to expand you might not have three weeks for your longer production chain to sell out you *could* mine ALO and turn it into AL then turn it in to BFAB then turn it into RFAB and sell it for a profit RFAB sold 140 units today at about 15% margin AL sold 4000+ units at 11% margin {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 12:00 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats a shocking margin icl [28-Mar-25 12:00 AM] evany.#0000 just one example obviously [28-Mar-25 12:02 AM] getonthetrain#0000 My thinking is if it is commonly available item like AL, then no worries about availability and price [28-Mar-25 12:04 AM] getonthetrain#0000 some people just like to mass produce that stuff [28-Mar-25 12:05 AM] getonthetrain#0000 no matter the margins and options for profit elsewhere [28-Mar-25 12:09 AM] evany.#0000 cheers {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 02:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Flooding the market with CUO, because I donโ€™t know where to put it else ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 03:22 AM] potaterror#0000 Build yourself a smelter and some fine smithies. [28-Mar-25 03:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Refine it until you sell it [28-Mar-25 04:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, there is the point [28-Mar-25 04:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nobody is buying CU, either ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 04:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/homeless-house-braindead-stupidity-buy-gif-26259659 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/homeless-house-braindead-stupidity-buy-gif-26259659 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7qKWqWZNTjN1dQrbD3iZEDPBNbFtpQIfEZB9JW5yRXM/https/media.tenor.com/tGxGMCvggb8AAAAe/homeless-house.png [28-Mar-25 04:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Refine the CU [28-Mar-25 04:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/computer-thumbs-up-sin-chilling-zone-rodrigo-gif-20009065 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/computer-thumbs-up-sin-chilling-zone-rodrigo-gif-20009065 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/n6BlH99cAYQ3v4iCDwotunnQYOfXdZHsoFvQfbh3q0U/https/media.tenor.com/ny7JlBy4E1QAAAAe/computer-thumbs-up.png [28-Mar-25 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, got your point ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, maybe I should [28-Mar-25 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But then again I have to setup new bases [28-Mar-25 04:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And transport stuff around [28-Mar-25 05:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You know - play the game. ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 05:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just have more production atm then market and myself can handle ๐Ÿ™ƒ [28-Mar-25 05:15 AM] magican1980#0000 I had my first starting base at Katao with FRM (Bonus Manufacturing) and had a build from tutorial a rig, FRM and INC for Carbon (yes I have gone the route Carbon). I think the vertically integration depens on what product you make - I had stable Profit with 3 Permit Base with FRM/INC. Later I found out about COGH (after 3-4 Months into the game) and go to a new agri planet and build a second base like the first. From my *personal *feeling at that time, found that to produce Carbon, to buy the inputs, was not profitable, so I have produced myself on one Planet. H2O come from CX. At that time I had no understanding in calculate the profit per Permit, use Buy-/Sell-orders, options for Loans or grants, how to upgrade ships, how to use contracts and so on. But every Person has their own way and experience on the way to the first own money for expansion :). After about 14 month into the game, the most changes came after getting the starting ships to WCB, change my Carbon to HYF/INC-Bases and also at the H2O price spike (from 20->30-40 credits) a H2O Base. [28-Mar-25 05:18 AM] magican1980#0000 If I expand to a third Carbon HYF-INC-Base I would crash the market-prices down. atm the Buy-Orders at Benten and Antares are many times filled with Orders from Trader and not users of Carbon in their own productions. [28-Mar-25 05:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s really easy to overproduce for a lot of markets. [28-Mar-25 05:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The base was once part of Riseโ€™s supplier-slaves, but now that heโ€™s gone I have to figure out what to do with all the mats ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 05:48 AM] laaxus#0000 ships [28-Mar-25 05:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (Please donโ€™t get me wrong - not trying to complain) [28-Mar-25 05:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I love you, Laaxus ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 05:48 AM] laaxus#0000 time to start ADI shipbuilding [28-Mar-25 05:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You saying it like itโ€™s the most trivial on earth {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [28-Mar-25 05:50 AM] laaxus#0000 The ADI having shipmaking capabilities is long time overdue [28-Mar-25 05:50 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm sure you could find people in here to start this project with you :p [28-Mar-25 05:50 AM] laaxus#0000 if OOG can do it, why not us as well ? ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Mar-25 05:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If you guys starting to make ships, Iโ€™m happy to supply resources ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Mar-25 05:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m expanding into some side-businesses to fund more ships [28-Mar-25 05:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But overall, i just want to mine rocks and smelt them to shiny metals [28-Mar-25 05:52 AM] magican1980#0000 I know this problem. at one time I have changed my old Katoa base to BMP -> produce MCG all time and sold it at Benten and Antares - the prices dropped down under 30-25 credits. After that I stripped the base and now the prices have complete recover and higher ๐Ÿ™‚ Also if need the liquid money to fund ships or worker supply [28-Mar-25 05:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah - some markets canโ€™t handle full permits ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 05:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a CUO ext base in KI-840 [28-Mar-25 05:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Making 250 CUO per day [28-Mar-25 05:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And thatโ€™s not even the most efficient place to be, but already more then market wants [28-Mar-25 05:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Might be open for some intermediate products, too [28-Mar-25 05:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is there really a demand for an ADI ship project? EvoV has ships on demand, OOG has a little bit cheaper ships, other regions sell ships, too. [28-Mar-25 06:00 AM] laaxus#0000 EvoV has a "expensive but always on stock" model Rise had a "cheaper but with a waiting queue" model [28-Mar-25 06:00 AM] zillatron#0000 (as a fellow metallurgist) this is the way (at least for a good while anyway) [28-Mar-25 06:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to compete with EvoV, but cheaper with waiting queue seems more doable [28-Mar-25 06:01 AM] zillatron#0000 if you're making ships, you're competing with other shipbuilders...its kinda unavoidable [28-Mar-25 06:03 AM] magican1980#0000 RiseofFlith was at 4.4 Mio for a LCB without Hull Plates and Fuel - OOG at 5.95 Mio | EvoV at 6.2 Mio - but both with Fuel | GTU at Moria is at about 5.5 Mio without fuel [28-Mar-25 06:03 AM] magican1980#0000 very affordable for new players [28-Mar-25 06:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 To make them cheaper, we would need people to abstain from profits they would get by selling stuff on the market [28-Mar-25 06:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And balance production to demand [28-Mar-25 06:04 AM] zillatron#0000 it seems impossible when you first start but once you're rolling Evo's ships aren't 'expensive' imo [28-Mar-25 06:04 AM] magican1980#0000 Highlander Shipbuilding ist atm delivery at may 25 ... a long waiting line, but the cheapest price [28-Mar-25 06:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Somebody would need to make the math, but I think Evo has a relatively reasonable pricing model {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [28-Mar-25 06:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And if you play your cards well, at the point you need another ship, you can easily afford the 6 mil [28-Mar-25 06:06 AM] laaxus#0000 No doubt about that [28-Mar-25 06:07 AM] zillatron#0000 @pxlfox. I supplied Rise a bit of stuff too, not a fixed supplier possibly the way you were but I've scaled down and repurposed a couple of bases to adjust so it's deff possible ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 06:07 AM] zillatron#0000 (im doing just fine, fwiw) [28-Mar-25 06:08 AM] magican1980#0000 Now I make about a minium of 4-5 Mio per week, so I would say, the prices about 6 Mio is affordable for me ๐Ÿ™‚ but for the new player, its a large chunck of money ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [28-Mar-25 06:08 AM] zillatron#0000 look at the TI leaderboard over the various time periods for context aha [28-Mar-25 06:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I only had one base for him making CUO - he took about half of the production and I made some CU on the side. Itโ€™s not too bad, just need to get the CUO to the people. But nothing, that a bit of time and the right price canโ€™t solve ๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 06:09 AM] zillatron#0000 thats the spirit [28-Mar-25 06:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 True, but newer player donโ€™t need ships until the 5+ base. If you donโ€™t go for logistic-heavy mats, you can go even further [28-Mar-25 06:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 First, you upgrade your starters, which can be done with the upgrade deals of ADI or the other person the name I canโ€™t remember [28-Mar-25 06:11 AM] magican1980#0000 Schaitr ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 06:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s the one ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 06:12 AM] magican1980#0000 yes with the upgraded ship you can handle up to 5-6 permits of bases, but it also depends on the design / products of the bases [28-Mar-25 06:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Then again, would an ADI project make ships that much cheaper? ๐Ÿค” [28-Mar-25 06:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m pretty sure EvoVโ€™s prices can be taken as โ€œwhat it takes to make ships with as much CX-Outsourcing as possibleโ€ [28-Mar-25 06:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 An ADI ship project would be a great and fun cooperative endeavour. It would be like a car manufacturing firm in the real world. Lots of suppliers, which all need to be organised. We need a competitive pricing scheme, that makes contribution attractive, but prices as low as possible [28-Mar-25 06:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And it would benefit the region. Ships are the resource sinks of this universe. And cheaper ships lead to faster growth [28-Mar-25 06:21 AM] magican1980#0000 thats I can only agree on. If have I have seen correctly the GTU has players to produce the needed components and selling at a fixed price in their chart [28-Mar-25 06:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Something like โ€œfirst ship for ADI members discountโ€ could help early- and mid-game players progress fast, making ADI overall more attractive to players [28-Mar-25 06:23 AM] magican1980#0000 is there not a Project ship kit ? in this discord? [28-Mar-25 06:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There is - but thatโ€™s only a ship upgrade program [28-Mar-25 06:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not a full 3rd ship [28-Mar-25 06:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way, I would support an ship project, @laaxus Tho I donโ€™t feel smart or experienced enough to manage a project like that ๐Ÿ˜… Maybe a middle management role ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't really manage this project, as my hands are full with project corgi, I have like 20+ permit dedicated directly or indirectly to fabs [28-Mar-25 06:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Maybe later, I could draft the plans [28-Mar-25 06:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No worries, didnโ€™t want to put the burden on you ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 06:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m still climbing up to my first 100mil equity [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like you were so much faster then me ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] magican1980#0000 I'm at 57 Mio without ships ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 how many loans did you take ? [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I took a few early on [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not many, honestly [28-Mar-25 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 then that's probably it [28-Mar-25 06:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Probably [28-Mar-25 06:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I had lots of funding, tho [28-Mar-25 06:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Rise put at some point nearly 10mil into me for free ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 06:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (Well, for the CUO base) [28-Mar-25 06:31 AM] magican1980#0000 you all are growing faster then me *envy you* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ˆ [28-Mar-25 06:33 AM] zillatron#0000 it accelerates as you progress, dont sweat it ๐Ÿ‘ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 06:34 AM] zillatron#0000 make stuff, make more stuff faster, profits ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Mar-25 06:41 AM] magican1980#0000 I know this ๐Ÿ™‚ In the last 2-3 months I have expanded to Antares with 1 Carbon and 1 Rat-Line (HYF+INC or FD), with 1 steady Loan. At that time I was thinking after 1 week I have the complete setup and production, but it took about 2-3 week for the first profits to roll in. I was lucky with my production lines at CX Benten. Now I'm expanded at Hortus with 1 DW-Line and 1 Rations-Line. Though my vertical integration of H2O and NS I hope to step up to 6-8 Mio Profit weekly. {Reactions} stonks (2) [28-Mar-25 06:46 AM] tanda#0000 Coming Soon (โ„ข) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ (4) antares_initiative (4) ๐Ÿ‘† [28-Mar-25 06:56 AM] evov#0000 I actually do very limited CX outsourcing past the metal smelting stage. The number of smelting / ore extraction bases I'd need just made this step non-viable. While I probably could outsource a lot more now... when I started making ships and setting up my production lines, there simply wasn't the volume of materials needed on the CX. This is easily verifiable by working down the production chart for all the ship parts and checking the leader boards to see if I'm producing it at all. [28-Mar-25 06:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Soo, your production is already mostly vertically integrated? [28-Mar-25 07:00 AM] evov#0000 Very much. Yes. I'll have shortages from time to time and try to lean on the market to top up. But I'd say 90%+ of the ship is made myself. ( excluding raw materials extraction / smelting ). [28-Mar-25 07:05 AM] evov#0000 Something I think people don't really understand about selling complete ships.... it's a service, not a money making endeavor. I make a lot more $ per ship selling the parts on the CX. For example - the new HCB ships I've been selling for 11mil. - I can (and do) sell the parts independently on the CX... when done so it totals closer to 17mil. LCB - I sell for 6.2mil, but make about 7mil on the CX. 3k1k heavies - I sell for 5.8mil, 6.5mil on the CX. 1k3k Gashaulers - I sell for 6.8mil, 8.3mil on the CX. So from an economic perspective, I should restrict the number of ships I sell, and just push the parts on the CX. But not all choices are driven purely by economics. [28-Mar-25 07:37 AM] magican1980#0000 good to know ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Mar-25 07:38 AM] magican1980#0000 In my personal view, the ship builders intentions are to supply ships, so that the economy can grown and second personal profits. [28-Mar-25 11:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 To echo Tanda yup coming soon, thereโ€™s just a lot that goes into a ship that the PSK upgrade doesnโ€™t cover [28-Mar-25 11:13 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I will say I think we were looking for some more Fine Smithy stuffs CU and AU alloys, Iโ€™ll have to go check what we needed to be sure tho {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 11:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sounds good [28-Mar-25 11:14 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But any decisions are up to @evany. Heโ€™s the grandmaster planner man [28-Mar-25 11:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™ll keep my eyes open for any announcements regarding that ๐Ÿ˜‰ [28-Mar-25 11:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You were just making CU for rise? [28-Mar-25 11:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I was extracting CUO for rise and smelted some overflow [28-Mar-25 11:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m currently producing AL/AU/CU and STL [28-Mar-25 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok I remember that we needed more BGO and BRO [28-Mar-25 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So Gold and Copper alloys [28-Mar-25 11:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not sure if we were sourcing our own gold and copper or buying from CX [28-Mar-25 11:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m sourcing the ores myself and dumping the overflow to the market {Reactions} DancieBoi [28-Mar-25 11:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Cool Iโ€™ll go bother Evayoo about it again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-Mar-25 11:27 AM] evany.#0000 what were you making ? I can likely slide right in [28-Mar-25 11:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 [28-Mar-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 @evany. [28-Mar-25 11:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 if you need anything simple to be made on a new base I wouldnt mind making a base, got a bunch if cash that I havent got a clue what to do with lol [28-Mar-25 11:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s just extracting CUO ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Mar-25 11:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I began to smelt it down myself, but itโ€™s still more then I need [28-Mar-25 11:32 AM] evany.#0000 ah, I know I need some cu and au [28-Mar-25 11:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m already actively trying to reduce the CX prices for CU and AU as much as I can, tho I canโ€™t keep up with the current AU demand - also because Iโ€™m currently re-organising my CU and AU production. I have an https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1340341894831669331 you can use for contracting or DM me for personalised conditions ๐Ÿ˜‰ [28-Mar-25 12:14 PM] evany.#0000 i meant to formally announce psk ships a couple weeks ago, and the conversations t his morning i guess thats on me working hard on it or talking about it https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1282880035761684604/1355228265857548449 i'll reach out regarding CU/AU [28-Mar-25 02:36 PM] jvaler#0000 and i bought your CUO from rise to make him BRO lolol [28-Mar-25 03:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 and rise left everyone lost their job? [28-Mar-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-2925065937955910779 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-2925065937955910779 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TOUizBOCvJOtjfl8GOELjG5vlNy2cbYQEayWky567VI/https/media.tenor.com/KJfr-RB09HsAAAAe/this-is-fine.png [28-Mar-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355271376398975267/image.png?ex=68147c93&is=68132b13&hm=15a1911e2138f2223389b591b2f1c9ecb40e015b43c6a9cffbf5bd0a407dee83& [28-Mar-25 03:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 but it is okay because boucher got 29 days now [28-Mar-25 03:05 PM] vanarazor#0000 it is better than it looks!! At least , that's what I tell myself xit burn should allow us to separate consumables from mats [28-Mar-25 03:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 and project bases from privately managed [28-Mar-25 03:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We just need someone to replace him :danceboi: {Reactions} โค๏ธ [28-Mar-25 03:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can do xit burn_planet1_planet2 [28-Mar-25 03:56 PM] jcheung#0000 pretty sure you can just use spaces [28-Mar-25 04:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 no way [28-Mar-25 04:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think spaces work [28-Mar-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 space do work but not for planet names that have them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Mar-25 04:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 not sure if i am less anxious with that display {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355290304462327919/image.png?ex=68148e34&is=68133cb4&hm=af5125b71deaccd8d156811492000dcf3b02c74011c47317a12467cdfcddee30& [28-Mar-25 04:41 PM] jcheung#0000 and what happens with all underscored with planets with spaces? [28-Mar-25 04:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 worst case you can always use the planet id [28-Mar-25 04:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m gonna have to name a planet phobos_electronica just to mess with @razenpok ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [28-Mar-25 05:06 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/corgi-puppy-puppies-gif-26065420 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/corgi-puppy-puppies-gif-26065420 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pFxsz0zwu8USSFb5KjyXvz1tT7GDAcFvmTOo5ieJo5g/https/media.tenor.com/uYzbwpZ8IkMAAAAe/corgi-puppy-puppies.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Mar-25 05:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 for example thalassa A = > SE-110a [28-Mar-25 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 right. so what's the difference between underscores and spaces in that regard [28-Mar-25 05:28 PM] jcheung#0000 because you have to use the planet code for anything that has spaces in name [28-Mar-25 05:29 PM] jcheung#0000 regardless of space or underscore [28-Mar-25 05:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 i don't think there is a difference although I haven't tried underscores [28-Mar-25 11:17 PM] vanarazor#0000 what's the purpose of AEF ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355395504569319585/image.png?ex=6814f02e&is=68139eae&hm=7f977c85ee4f8b8060a8dcf016cde1befb957174b12610cc1620b5dd98e90e75& [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Say you make a base on a gas giant [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohh [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There is no ground [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 it's like INS [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 or SEA [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It replaces MCG [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhhh [28-Mar-25 11:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 gotcha [28-Mar-25 11:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah I guess maybe kinda like INS or SEA [28-Mar-25 11:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In the sense that itโ€™s only on certain planets [28-Mar-25 11:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah nah cristal clear [28-Mar-25 11:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :danceboi: [28-Mar-25 11:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like I have a base on ZV-639d [28-Mar-25 11:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And it uses AEF [28-Mar-25 11:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 is there a tool I can use that scan the markets and tells me the most voluminous mats bought lately? [28-Mar-25 11:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 for example I have a manufacturing planet, I produce some PSL on it 9/d, it is consistent and I would not want to expand that production since the daily sales volume is fairly low [28-Mar-25 11:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Well PSL used to be a lot cheaper [28-Mar-25 11:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like 3-4k range [28-Mar-25 11:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I'd like to find something that is in constant high sales volume with not many producers that I can invest into ( which means in my purchasing powwe) [28-Mar-25 11:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 seeing the price of IND for example tells me that a lot of people are buying it constantly [28-Mar-25 11:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good luck. I donโ€™t know of any tools, but I run off vibes so [28-Mar-25 11:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355399922983370893/image.png?ex=6814f44b&is=6813a2cb&hm=28445ef892256c02999f3f66cef5a9e7d77ee6023dcc08bfc5e51856158a301b& [28-Mar-25 11:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 SC has high return but it does not look like it has high volume [28-Mar-25 11:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 but actually iIND sales are inexsistant [28-Mar-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup I was gonna say [28-Mar-25 11:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk what IND even is [28-Mar-25 11:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 which means people are vertically integrating it [28-Mar-25 11:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 a mats of HSS HMS LC [28-Mar-25 11:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ah [28-Mar-25 11:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah so those are like high end pop โ€œfoodโ€ [28-Mar-25 11:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So they have use, but not tons of use [28-Mar-25 11:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 I mean HMS is only technician tier [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah like SC [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™d still wager that TEC is high end [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 SC is the higher tier PWO [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 fair enough [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most people have bases with just PIO and SET so [28-Mar-25 11:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But that being said [28-Mar-25 11:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They *are* consumables [28-Mar-25 11:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So the need isnโ€™t ever not going to be there [28-Mar-25 11:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 im trying to take in consideration volume of daily sales, it feels like the game invites you/ or the market if you want invites you to diversify your production and matching the daily sales volume [28-Mar-25 11:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 in that regardws it is easy to misinterpret PRplan ROI value [28-Mar-25 11:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah ROI is a good indicator what what *coudl* be a good product but not the tell all [28-Mar-25 11:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like if you make millions but never sell you donโ€™t really have millions [28-Mar-25 11:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 when I started producing consumables I produced a lot of PWO for example but it looked like the price was too low so I stop, but PWO is being bought daily [28-Mar-25 11:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 ROI here tells what is worth procuing if you are buying mats from the market [28-Mar-25 11:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 but if you are vertically integrating the value is completely different [28-Mar-25 11:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I think prplan is taking vertical intergation in consideration in the Empire tab [28-Mar-25 11:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s hard to say [28-Mar-25 11:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Bc just cause you make it doesnโ€™t mean itโ€™s free [28-Mar-25 11:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The value of the product is just shifted [28-Mar-25 11:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but for example, if you are producing enough consumables for your own production then what is the real cost of an extracting base then ? ? [28-Mar-25 11:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The opportunity cost [28-Mar-25 11:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 mmmhm [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just some food for thought [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 hahaha you need a beer [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 and me too [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t drink [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 me neither [28-Mar-25 11:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 xD [28-Mar-25 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All I got to say is [28-Mar-25 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t do economics [28-Mar-25 11:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am a scientist [28-Mar-25 11:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 what do you do then ? [28-Mar-25 11:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 science!! [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Long story short vertical integration isnโ€™t bad [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 yup [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And neither is being wide [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think imma gonna go with GL [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 next base [28-Mar-25 11:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Good idea [28-Mar-25 11:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 sio is 12K a day [28-Mar-25 11:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 I was thinking sourcing it but that means another base [28-Mar-25 11:51 PM] vanarazor#0000 unless I can find a MET planet that has some SIO [28-Mar-25 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah maybe? [28-Mar-25 11:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PrUnPlanner is good for that [28-Mar-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 HYALOS [28-Mar-25 11:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho this is the problem with playing wide, market fluctuations [28-Mar-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 taiyi's map is a gem [28-Mar-25 11:52 PM] vanarazor#0000 the devs should give him money to be honest [28-Mar-25 11:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 without STO 14 days storage, 90k profit/d : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355405327805321288/image.png?ex=6814f954&is=6813a7d4&hm=1d2319477ac4d4775b7374dfefe177cd5cca834a92bdfd032e2faa69e9b14ea6& [28-Mar-25 11:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 with 1 STO > 76 days storage , -10K profit : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355405619233947698/image.png?ex=6814f999&is=6813a819&hm=86c092266f59420b7fb7750b39e069f1f898e9acccab9188b0b5a2cf981a41bc& [28-Mar-25 11:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 compared to a HER base ... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355406063603679253/image.png?ex=6814fa03&is=6813a883&hm=2a4393827e1ef19c43b78c1f889ac8bd6bb1a1a45f60c7ce8a0cca365b11684e& [29-Mar-25 12:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 which cost twice less and give +50 % profit [29-Mar-25 12:00 AM] .urpalhal#0000 lol I donโ€™t think the devs have dollars for themselves [29-Mar-25 12:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah not many players [29-Mar-25 12:01 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, but there are only two fertile planets with AGRI COGCs in ANT space {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [29-Mar-25 12:01 AM] tanda#0000 so that's self limiting [29-Mar-25 12:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You could make RG [29-Mar-25 12:02 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not as liquid but still used [29-Mar-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but then I will need to source NCS [29-Mar-25 12:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I would buy some off you periodically [29-Mar-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 oohhhh [29-Mar-25 12:03 AM] vanarazor#0000 now you are talking [29-Mar-25 12:03 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Not to make you do my dirty work tho [29-Mar-25 12:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 you gotta tell me the amount and the period now [29-Mar-25 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Also RG is just GL and PG [29-Mar-25 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 So easy [29-Mar-25 12:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah that's right NG is with NCS [29-Mar-25 12:04 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup [29-Mar-25 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t remember how much per day [29-Mar-25 12:05 AM] vanarazor#0000 easy I already produce too mch PG, I reduced it so now more EPO [29-Mar-25 12:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I wanna say it was like 50-70/d but Iโ€™m not sure and all that is on my computer [29-Mar-25 12:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 it is blasphemy but now I produce MTP/MEA : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355407629177851995/image.png?ex=6814fb79&is=6813a9f9&hm=193bcaada9e98b3004b9a8ede7c489836df733697741bf41eab979bbf08a0fa3& [29-Mar-25 12:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah let me know later when you are ON [29-Mar-25 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah it will be tomorrow [29-Mar-25 12:06 AM] vanarazor#0000 I ll note it somewhere [29-Mar-25 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll just ping you tomorrow when I get on to check stuff [29-Mar-25 12:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 yup and fufill your cont ๐Ÿ˜‰ [29-Mar-25 12:07 AM] vanarazor#0000 โค๏ธ [29-Mar-25 12:08 AM] vanarazor#0000 and profit from phobos goes from 40 K to 180K jeez finally a good thing done [29-Mar-25 12:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 let's see if this is becomes realised gains [29-Mar-25 02:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I currently use 66 RG/d {Reactions} โค๏ธ [29-Mar-25 02:15 AM] .urpalhal#0000 but I can get two more experts which will increase that [29-Mar-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 @agerpl [29-Mar-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 the CM is a building that is present in every base [29-Mar-25 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 this is the initial settlement cost, roughly [29-Mar-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355490748341944470/image.png?ex=6814a022&is=68134ea2&hm=040eaa24fb6f2439b9b9d84a3be0a77802e33647fe0593fffa7579d5fa8122e5& [29-Mar-25 05:36 AM] laaxus#0000 it's the materials required to start the base [29-Mar-25 05:36 AM] agerpl#0000 oh okay [29-Mar-25 06:20 AM] agerpl#0000 I wanted to do something else but HER expansion is overpowered https://prunplanner.org/shared/9eace7bf-eea8-468b-918c-c3e332d65745 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9eace7bf-eea8-468b-918c-c3e332d65745 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Mar-25 06:28 AM] laaxus#0000 @moke. what are you using all that LBH for ? ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [29-Mar-25 06:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't put an ask order without you filling it in the next 24h [29-Mar-25 07:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 stocking up the cheappies [29-Mar-25 08:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 >> https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183247926995189790/1355489874098126929 @agerpl As far as I know, the CM button includes the construction costs for the core module (`BUI CM`) into the plan cost and ROI calc [29-Mar-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 @pxlfox. [29-Mar-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 dw it's already answered ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ˆ [29-Mar-25 05:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 this guy has been playing for more than 4 years and still only have 10 bases, how come ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355673479684427856/image.png?ex=6814a190&is=68135010&hm=0f9c4e77d3d4288c68b0a9ecf9bd4eaf5b00050b0456512012d605e41be5be57& [29-Mar-25 05:43 PM] marat_sh#0000 PiBoy my beloved [29-Mar-25 05:43 PM] tanda#0000 Piboy used to be much bigger, but he downsized substantially [29-Mar-25 05:44 PM] igfloz#0000 I was going to say I know he down-sized. I wondered if he had quit [29-Mar-25 05:44 PM] tanda#0000 and honestly sometimes the answer is you hit your own personal management limit [29-Mar-25 05:44 PM] tanda#0000 or life intervenes and you don't have the time you used to [29-Mar-25 05:45 PM] igfloz#0000 Piboy has done some wonderful things for the community [29-Mar-25 05:53 PM] vanarazor#0000 wait a second [29-Mar-25 05:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 so governors take money from teh adminstration coffers for the upkeep right ? [29-Mar-25 05:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355676437994143865/image.png?ex=6814a452&is=681352d2&hm=0b055c28a2425349599f0257f78aa1194878ca4633fad7fa01c42e8939e201c7& [29-Mar-25 05:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 and that 250 K is what has been used for buying this ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355676584073232726/image.png?ex=6814a474&is=681352f4&hm=9ad99486a04ac9a790936093619cf851208069bc6a084ffa21fb616fe99506d6& [29-Mar-25 05:56 PM] tanda#0000 look under Population infrastructure [29-Mar-25 05:56 PM] tanda#0000 COGC is part of it, but it's pretty minor on some of the lighter populated planets [29-Mar-25 05:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355677065587982427/image.png?ex=6814a4e7&is=68135367&hm=19e61c1262356f083dafd70da4f096a6604d7547e43dc4d205cb3646b888275b& [29-Mar-25 05:56 PM] tanda#0000 on big ones like the starter planets, it can get hefty [29-Mar-25 05:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 do theses upkeep need to be met? [29-Mar-25 05:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 I'd assume yes [29-Mar-25 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, that stuff. Look up how much those quantities of those products cost [29-Mar-25 05:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 not much SOI is the most expensive [29-Mar-25 05:58 PM] tanda#0000 1,255 OFF is not cheap [29-Mar-25 05:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh nvm DEC is p[retty costly [29-Mar-25 05:59 PM] tanda#0000 and that's just one POPI building [29-Mar-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 that was for the previous motion [29-Mar-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 but I undersatnd [29-Mar-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 governor uses administration money for upkeeping the planets infracstructures [29-Mar-25 05:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 that money is the production fees from factories [29-Mar-25 06:00 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, or donations from governors/parliament members [29-Mar-25 06:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 donations aaaaaay [29-Mar-25 06:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 my pockets are not ready for that word [29-Mar-25 06:00 PM] igfloz#0000 Donations + Taxes = growth I assume [29-Mar-25 06:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It can [29-Mar-25 06:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 my cashflow is pretty low, it is tight man I can't be playing too much with philantrophism or theses kind of investments yet, get my vote and good luck [29-Mar-25 06:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 but that's an interesting aspect for the game I like it [29-Mar-25 06:02 PM] vanarazor#0000 planets are literally managed by players [29-Mar-25 06:02 PM] igfloz#0000 yep, now you know ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Mar-25 06:20 PM] evov#0000 I think most Gov's will use spreadsheets or tools to help govern a planet. Planetary Gov's have their own balance sheet. Taxes / Fee's automatically go into them. Programs, like immigration, are paid for directly out of the planetary gov balance sheet. Things that require items - building new infrastructure, upkeep on that infrastructure, cogc upkeep etc - typically the governor buys/supplies this stuff and the planet admin pays them back. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ [29-Mar-25 08:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 how do you explain this : [29-Mar-25 08:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 KPM prices are spiking up : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355716855800791210/image.png?ex=6814c9f6&is=68137876&hm=8e4f7c8ad39b90dcfa189e90138d1f8f6322d7e5fe8ccf3ed032cd277815654b& [29-Mar-25 08:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 yet producing it isn't worth at current pp7dAI1 prices [29-Mar-25 08:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355717016249434293/image.png?ex=6814ca1c&is=6813789c&hm=f824243d371c2ebc282382a6b52afe0e87121725097ea5642741256a54771ad9& [29-Mar-25 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 Copious is finally allowing the market to correct [29-Mar-25 08:35 PM] vanarazor#0000 is it because everyone is making FIM and so HER prices are too high ? [29-Mar-25 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 he's been holding KOM at 800 for a while [29-Mar-25 08:36 PM] tanda#0000 not necessarily, different infrastructure to make KOM vs FIM/MEA [29-Mar-25 08:36 PM] vanarazor#0000 yes but the only correlation is through HER prices isn't ?> [29-Mar-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 only if you assume people are willing to bulldoze FER and ORC to plop down FP and FRM [29-Mar-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 ...sorry, one sec [29-Mar-25 08:37 PM] potaterror#0000 KOM doesn't need ORCs. [29-Mar-25 08:37 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, I was reading VIT [29-Mar-25 08:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah im comparing prices : since i've noticed my expenses in form of KOM spiking up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355717732339024024/image.png?ex=6814cac7&is=68137947&hm=d2c8d6dbcee00581a0994aa3f289f6019ea302bcc30299b4322ddbb873655128& [29-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 but yes, Copious has been holding KOM at 800 for a while, but finally raised his prices. Looks like people bought through his stock, and buying HER to turn into KOM is unprofitable [29-Mar-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 I do know when he announced his KOM price increase I immediately bought up 2k worth of his stock [29-Mar-25 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 can't imagine I was the only one [29-Mar-25 08:39 PM] vanarazor#0000 this will impact HER which in turn will impact DDT which will impact C H CL ( probably C and CL more than H) [29-Mar-25 08:40 PM] vanarazor#0000 sweet jesus HAL is going to go up [29-Mar-25 08:40 PM] tanda#0000 why? [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 I don;t know I believe in Dominos effect [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 snowball inertia [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 if you are right about his stock holding up prices for a while [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 what's going to happen is anyone not vertically integrated (who makes their own HER) that makes KOM is going to stop as soon as they realize they're losing money [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 KOM is about to spike up up up [29-Mar-25 08:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355718654091726918/image.png?ex=6814cba3&is=68137a23&hm=60c47b8e477551172d5eec7f8619c3d74674b24714b04d5491f9f3afa110732e& [29-Mar-25 08:42 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HAL will be pretty stable [29-Mar-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 HAL prices will stay the same. You might see a slight increase in the cost of CL, which means a larger increase in the cost of DDT [29-Mar-25 08:42 PM] potaterror#0000 Oh, if only I had some spare HER around... [29-Mar-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 by this point anyone in KOM who doesn't want to make KOM for the sake of it will probably already be out [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 exacatly but if people stopp producing KOM then less offers [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 sure, and maybe we will even run out [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 or in a few weeks to a few months, we have a resolution to the IDC/MEA/FIM madness [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 and things will gradually calm back down [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 it's fine [29-Mar-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 think of it as emergent gameplay [29-Mar-25 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 what I've seen happen more than a few times in this game so far is that [29-Mar-25 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 If there's a problem that seems like it might get out of control, someone or a group of someones takes it on themselves to support the market [29-Mar-25 08:47 PM] vanarazor#0000 jesus DDT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355720036479799346/image.png?ex=6814ccec&is=68137b6c&hm=36d2c5d808d00628751a853f24dc9dd4b4fd7a8eef7a94dad88bfd6b43839023& [29-Mar-25 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 I've swapped over to DDT full time on my LAB for now [29-Mar-25 08:47 PM] tanda#0000 can't afford to do it forever, but I can for a while [29-Mar-25 08:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 I would just need 12 DDT a day [29-Mar-25 08:48 PM] vanarazor#0000 full LAB base produces 77 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355720312016207932/image.png?ex=6814cd2e&is=68137bae&hm=9fec56ddc8a9f13790b80b0d0f902848f2ebd7a9ca61b5f84cc5a724687df923& [29-Mar-25 08:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 LAB is another 4.5M base [29-Mar-25 08:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 while FRM is like 500K [29-Mar-25 08:51 PM] tanda#0000 there's a bunch of labs that were doing other things that swapped over to doing DDT full time to support the HER producers to support the FIM producers to support the MEA producers [29-Mar-25 08:52 PM] tanda#0000 otherwise we would already have run out of DDT [29-Mar-25 08:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 aw man I would've done this if I knew ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Mar-25 08:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 I produce KOM but not quite enough for my needs [29-Mar-25 11:23 PM] potaterror#0000 I've been meaning to split my Avalon operations off and reclaim a permit (running 3 there now) and this is seriously making me reconsider going straight to FERs instead of the FP farm I'd been planning while experts developed. [30-Mar-25 01:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 I is another one : Volume are in the lows, Requests are way greater than than Offers, yet it is not worth processing . Means price or CLI is too high compared to prices of I. Am I right to think that VG consumers have integrated their CLI > I >VIT>VG prod?? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355797328199549041/image.png?ex=681514e8&is=6813c368&hm=b0cc356bfca7da2fa5cebd0c44c5a868ed953c02f038f1c76189f6342fd4b01c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1355797328526835722/image.png?ex=681514e8&is=6813c368&hm=36973517cf807bc499f4a81797095a51f9b8c5becbff094f7da0bed2ce0639d7& [30-Mar-25 01:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 plus Prices of VG is getting lower while volume is slowly following the trend, requests are much lower than supply [30-Mar-25 11:09 AM] tanda#0000 I think it's a mix of CLI being too high and people just not caring how much they spend on CLI [30-Mar-25 11:16 AM] tanda#0000 both CLI and BRM seem to be vertically integrated into most production chains due to stupidly high cost on the CX + high transport costs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [31-Mar-25 01:23 AM] magican1980#0000 I reconsider at the moment my planed HYF+FP and 1 Construction Base for 1x FRM (Her) 2x Chem Bases for DDT and CL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ โค๏ธ [31-Mar-25 01:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 if anyone is looking for a regular KOM buyer let me know ๐Ÿ™‚ I don't remember my exact burn but I have 2 or 3 bases that use it [31-Mar-25 01:25 AM] magican1980#0000 not only you burn KOM ๐Ÿ™‚ I have 5 bases with KOM use ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Mar-25 01:27 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh I'm sure [31-Mar-25 01:27 AM] jab.sh#0000 just thought I'd throw it out there [31-Mar-25 02:38 AM] vanarazor#0000 that makes sense [31-Mar-25 02:39 AM] laaxus#0000 MARKET MANIPULATORS {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356171094637281311/image.png?ex=681476c1&is=68132541&hm=243176b3e4f1044e94130b5a1d26a33972c1d0eaab374a0b27556ede03530076& [31-Mar-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/angry-emoji-red-gif-27276389 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/angry-emoji-red-gif-27276389 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KshzxFc40c1JX6ycsjV6lGamDafvznmmFBxVlgrfWnk/https/media.tenor.com/FtlLleuICOcAAAAe/angry-emoji.png [31-Mar-25 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 anyway [31-Mar-25 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/clock-closet-gif-21176249 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/clock-closet-gif-21176249 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yLmo1p69jGldPPlbCnWZk0E35dof6oEu471_zfRghXk/https/media.tenor.com/oOj04H_wpN4AAAAe/clock-closet.png [31-Mar-25 02:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh damn that means im not going to get that RTA anytime soon [31-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 I have not even looked at that [31-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 smart [31-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 how far up do you think mea is going to get? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356172487439810590/image.png?ex=6814780d&is=6813268d&hm=ed64782fd5142684d6dd4df7d19ab1802991be8a6148a45a8f824859fe86cc90& [31-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 last sold was 12.5K [31-Mar-25 02:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 you could literlly put 100K/mea there is no market maker [31-Mar-25 02:46 AM] magican1980#0000 I like that I dont have a Planet, with MEA People - but on the other Side, some profits are driven from IDC ... [31-Mar-25 02:46 AM] laaxus#0000 dw, I have one PP3 base running RTA full time [31-Mar-25 02:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 im so jealous\ [31-Mar-25 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 no you don't [31-Mar-25 02:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 hahahaa [31-Mar-25 02:47 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 30M worth of RFabs sitting at ask {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Mar-25 02:47 AM] vanarazor#0000 that is because you heard one day that "_patience is a virtue_" [31-Mar-25 02:50 AM] vanarazor#0000 if I had funds I would have jumped on the first IVP planets I could get my hands on [31-Mar-25 02:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 But patience is thin in my dwelling [31-Mar-25 03:31 AM] evov#0000 I'm not sure if I want to sell off my MEA holdings. Price is super juicy at the moment... but I gotta keep feeding my SCI [31-Mar-25 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-consumable-bundles/6947?u=molp {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-consumable-bundles/6947?u=molp Release Notes - Consumable Bundles Release date The Consumable Bundles release will be released on TBA General Notes If your APEX console is stuck in a loading state after the update, please make sure to refresh it once after the update to ensure you got the latest version. New features Consumable Bundles We are introducing consumable bundles. These bundles contain basic and lu... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U6UCpjimXt29MbBsnPqdm5RlySvw7Wq8epDTbgH3cFA/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/2X/d/db9bc7ac099853256ebb49615ccec33c750d89e2.png [31-Mar-25 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 It would have been so nice if we didn't have to depackage them manually ... [31-Mar-25 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Seems like they didnโ€™t like the fact, that ANT has a strong development initiative ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Mar-25 03:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Weird, they bumped up the price by a lot - even higher then any other CX [31-Mar-25 03:35 AM] razenpok#0000 This, 100% [31-Mar-25 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And itโ€™s caskman, the friendly Harmonia clown ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [31-Mar-25 03:36 AM] evov#0000 I have some RTA on hand, I'll feed that into the market. MEA.... not sure if I want to start eating too much away at my remaining supply. My SCI pop eat about 80 per day. [31-Mar-25 03:38 AM] evov#0000 will see how long it lasts {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356185906301636708/image.png?ex=6814848c&is=6813330c&hm=dd93e0c88f5e8a484ca681d31ce697a72678d392a164eefa51e456e82bd5e260& [31-Mar-25 03:58 AM] razenpok#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-consumable-bundles/6947/2 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/release-notes-consumable-bundles/6947/2 Release Notes - Consumable Bundles Nice, love the idea ๐Ÿ”ฅ One thing, though, is that manual unpacking might become a barrier to the widespread adoption of Consumable Bundles. Is it possible to add the following QoL improvement before the release? During the workforce consumption event, if there are not enough consumables to fulfill some workforce tierโ€™s needs, that tier au... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [31-Mar-25 04:01 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356191686220578997/image.png?ex=681489ee&is=6813386e&hm=a178016e329b853adda0b9867e8fd59c53a367ca70c6f483e797273683d76018& {Reactions} bigbloberm ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 04:12 AM] evov#0000 Unless I'm missing something - Take a balanced set of consumes. Package them up by spending resources ( PSS ) + Permit space on a manufacturing planet to build Packaging Center's. And the net benefit is load compression. Maybe it's more appealing for people to buy the packs rather than buy the individual items, so there's likely a convenience benefit there. With respect to compression - All of my bases I resupply at 60 day intervals. I can put 60 days worth of repairs + consumes into a single 2k2k ship. So for me and how I operate, it saves zero shipping capacity, while adding shipping requirements to ship consumes from the cx to the manufacturing planet, then ship packages back to the cx. It will be interesting to see the feedback on it. [31-Mar-25 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 It will save millions of click for contract {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 04:15 AM] laaxus#0000 and leased bases [31-Mar-25 04:24 AM] pagy1234#0000 i dont think it will become like a mainstram thing though, it has some specific use cases but not really useful otherwise [31-Mar-25 04:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 biggest issue I have with it is that you cant just put 1 or 2 down in the corner of a base and have it be enough, to be enough to cover my production of DW, I would need 10+ [31-Mar-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I like the idea of buying one item and not 20 [31-Mar-25 04:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats 350 area automatically [31-Mar-25 04:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 will probably end up paying more for it tho.. [31-Mar-25 04:26 AM] laaxus#0000 PSS is quite cheap [31-Mar-25 04:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Is somewhere stated if they will be traded on the CX? [31-Mar-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 they are a good like any other [31-Mar-25 04:27 AM] laaxus#0000 no reason it wouldn't be tradeable [31-Mar-25 04:28 AM] laaxus#0000 if it's not too pricy I'll probably buy packages [31-Mar-25 04:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You can finally send consumables to planets without a thousand micro-contracts - sounds like a win to me [31-Mar-25 04:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats not where I would think the cost would come from, I dont believe there are too many people actually making all of the consumables included in a bundle, and if someone is, spending an entire permit on packing all the consumables seems quite illogical [31-Mar-25 04:29 AM] laaxus#0000 depends on the production rate [31-Mar-25 04:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 unless of course, there is a sizable upcharge on the bundles [31-Mar-25 04:29 AM] laaxus#0000 which we don't know yet [31-Mar-25 04:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 its in the post [31-Mar-25 04:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356198947827220612/Screenshot_2025-03-31_at_5.30.17_PM.png?ex=681490b2&is=68133f32&hm=ccd0731651fece177381319e8c7a454326a66b39221070a7b22c35a075a65646& [31-Mar-25 04:32 AM] pagy1234#0000 at least the POP usage of the packing center is kinda low [31-Mar-25 04:33 AM] evov#0000 So, the question I have... is what sort of premium are people willing to pay for the convenience factor? +5%? 10% 20% etc. How much more would you pay for your consumables if you could get them in this form? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 04:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Assuming 100k profit per day, and a very rough estimation of 70 PBU produced per day for a full 500 area base, it would mean 1.5k of overprice per package or roughly 0.75k per day (for a base like FRM) [31-Mar-25 04:35 AM] laaxus#0000 it's probably more around 80 production per day [31-Mar-25 04:36 AM] laaxus#0000 so yeah, I think it will be profitable and popular [31-Mar-25 04:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 my math tells me its about 50 per day? [31-Mar-25 04:40 AM] laaxus#0000 multiply by 1.618 [31-Mar-25 04:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 ah for lux and experts [31-Mar-25 04:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 kk [31-Mar-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 My opinion is that the playerbase would be ready to do things manually even if it earns them 1k per day per base [31-Mar-25 04:43 AM] laaxus#0000 but I think the producers would prefer to sell the packaged item, rather than the different item, seperately [31-Mar-25 04:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 alr, yeah actually profit doesnt look terrible, if aiming for 100k/d profit then upcharge will be 1.2k per package, assuming cost is about 16.5k to make each one. [31-Mar-25 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 such that, later on, the packaged item would be cheaper than buying every single material individually [31-Mar-25 04:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 although I would think that a producer having the freedom to make only the profitable consumables, rather than being restricted to what the package limits them too would be a factor in limiting how low the price of packages go [31-Mar-25 04:48 AM] potaterror#0000 I would love that as a facility to be rented at stations. [31-Mar-25 04:49 AM] laaxus#0000 selling packages on LM now is viable [31-Mar-25 04:49 AM] potaterror#0000 I guess. I just thinking moving shiploads of finished goods from a base to another base to package them up is kind of missing the point. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 04:50 AM] laaxus#0000 the value it creates is outside of the game [31-Mar-25 04:50 AM] laaxus#0000 which, imo, is not great [31-Mar-25 04:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 not really for producers though, some portion of that 1.2k profit per package is aready gone from extra ship movements [31-Mar-25 04:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 and as I mentioned earlier, it also limits what the producers can produce [31-Mar-25 04:52 AM] potaterror#0000 Well, that's what I'm saying: having to move stuff between bases to package it up largely removes that. Instead of loading up specified quantities and shipping off to a base to resupply directly, you're now just doing multiple shipments of bigger chunks of individual package components, then shipping the finished packages back to a station (probably), and then throwing those out to the end supply points. [31-Mar-25 04:53 AM] potaterror#0000 That doesn't seem like a worthwhile decrease in effort. [31-Mar-25 04:54 AM] potaterror#0000 Allowing players to rent packaging facilities on stations and just package up stuff at the place they're dumping everything anyway, on the other hand, might just. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [31-Mar-25 05:01 AM] razenpok#0000 You are thinking in terms of "I package goods for myself", while the benefit is in "Someone sells the packages on the market, and I just buy them instead of buying all goods separately" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Mar-25 05:11 AM] potaterror#0000 I just don't see that being especially alluring with the markup of shipping the component goods to the packaging base, workforce cost to package, then the packaged goods back, and adding a profit margin on top of it. Especially given that a whole lot of people are producing a smattering of consumables themselves, just not the whole spread for any population. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 05:25 AM] realharvey#0000 Well you just deliver everything to the CX like before. Buy the missing goods on the CX and sent it down to heph to package [31-Mar-25 05:26 AM] realharvey#0000 It's just like another base then. Some vertical integration und delivering inputs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช [31-Mar-25 05:45 AM] laaxus#0000 I like it because it allows input good producers rรดle players to diversify their bases {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท [31-Mar-25 06:05 AM] magican1980#0000 tommorow I will put down 1 Chip Base @CX Benten Umbra for CL, to the end of this week I will switch to NS and for CL at Griffinstone. In the next week I will put down 1 full LAB Base @CX Antares Electronica for DDT. Hope this helps ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Mar-25 06:23 AM] tanda#0000 waking up to a whole new feature drop out of nowhere is really freaking weird, I tell you what [31-Mar-25 06:24 AM] magican1980#0000 I know ๐Ÿ™‚ I have seen it too [31-Mar-25 06:24 AM] tanda#0000 Also these packages are bigger, not smaller [31-Mar-25 06:38 AM] tanda#0000 Well, I'll definitely play a wait and see on these PACs. Workforce consumables are pretty minimal shipping, so more power to anyone who finds their niche here. But margins on selling this stuff is going to be tight-tight [31-Mar-25 06:43 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/puppy-turtle-corgi-gif-5373795 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/puppy-turtle-corgi-gif-5373795 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/v4nUOufGGDRhWxLCAhdSm7D1Ecw2bnbwC5Gaxg7pIaU/https/media.tenor.com/BuZsweDPqacAAAAe/puppy-turtle.png [31-Mar-25 06:43 AM] razenpok#0000 ^ Packaged Corgi Bundle {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [31-Mar-25 06:44 AM] tanda#0000 now that's a bundle I can get behind [31-Mar-25 06:44 AM] tanda#0000 I do wonder if PAC isn't intended to get a lot more options moving forward. With gateways on the horizon, it could very well wind up being used to package the upkeep mats for them {Reactions} blobthink [31-Mar-25 06:46 AM] razenpok#0000 Or other infra, like CoGC [31-Mar-25 06:47 AM] razenpok#0000 But they are specifically named like "**Pioneer** Consumable Bundle" [31-Mar-25 06:47 AM] razenpok#0000 So maybe not [31-Mar-25 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 well, I'm talking about the PAC building itself [31-Mar-25 06:47 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah, gotcha [31-Mar-25 06:47 AM] tanda#0000 now that they have the groundwork, making other bundles for other supplies is pretty easy {Reactions} true [31-Mar-25 06:48 AM] tanda#0000 hopefully they don't all add about 10% bulk for packaging them though, like the PCB does [31-Mar-25 06:49 AM] razenpok#0000 Consumable bundles are not 10% bigger. They are just rounded up to the next integer [31-Mar-25 06:49 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356233915320500275/image.png?ex=6814b143&is=68135fc3&hm=9408934b8edef7df1e705220f9310efdae0ce6b787c272871a77e2e15633e40f& [31-Mar-25 06:50 AM] tanda#0000 they should be smaller, not the same size (or larger as is the case here) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [31-Mar-25 06:56 AM] realharvey#0000 That's how my HCB's look like {Reactions} blobdoggo ๐Ÿ“ฆ [31-Mar-25 06:56 AM] tanda#0000 ah, so HCB must stand for Heavyduty Corgi Bay, then {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 07:00 AM] manhim#0000 The plus I see is that they're going to be easier to sell on LM. So it could be worth it to package those goods, deliver them and sell them directly on planets. Could create a new type of business. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 07:04 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, that part will be nice for some applications. Maybe it'll actually increase the use of the LM [31-Mar-25 07:04 AM] tanda#0000 for now it just seems like another shipping hassle for whoever chooses to package these things [31-Mar-25 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 I use 980+ RAT per day in my empire so: 1) I would consume 24.5 of these per day 2) 3 of these to fully supply my PIO needs (which is actually better than I expected when I started this napkin math) [31-Mar-25 07:15 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, to sell on a planet could be nice, but what will happen to market makers (seller) or a option for only basic supply [31-Mar-25 09:13 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Is it just me, or is permit #5 like _really_ cheap compared to the prior permits? [31-Mar-25 09:14 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Its so cheap I feel like I must be missing materials for it (only 4 materials used though) [31-Mar-25 09:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah nah, there are some that are just super cheap {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Mar-25 10:03 AM] magican1980#0000 If you stay and build up to more and more Permits - you will see the cost increas increase and increas ๐Ÿ™‚ after 20 you need to pay Millions of Credits ๐Ÿ˜›, if you invest / build the right products you can make about 75-100k easy per Permit ๐Ÿ™‚, per day [31-Mar-25 10:05 AM] random_di5cord_user#0000 Exactly, that's whay I was shocked to see the price drop to, like, 1/4 of the prior level. [31-Mar-25 10:07 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, there a levels, where it is easy to upgrade, like 19-20 only at 380k - 18 to 19 about 3 Mio ๐Ÿ™‚ [31-Mar-25 10:40 AM] marat_sh#0000 Does packaged bundles take less space/weight than individual items? If yes, I would definitely use it for convenience {Reactions} dread [31-Mar-25 10:41 AM] marat_sh#0000 Well since we are in space. Weight doesnโ€™t make sense ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Mar-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 its slightly more [31-Mar-25 10:54 AM] marat_sh#0000 Yeah, nah ๐Ÿ˜… [31-Mar-25 11:14 AM] .shiva.#0000 I feel like action packages make the bundles pointless. the extra steps to produce/ship them mean they should always be more expensive than not using them, and a action package means they take the same mental load [31-Mar-25 11:15 AM] .shiva.#0000 Mobile is basically the only place I see them being useful, but thats just because doing stuff on mobile is awful lol [31-Mar-25 11:21 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't like that you need a new building to create the packages, but other than that I like the idea [31-Mar-25 11:22 AM] jab.sh#0000 what is PSS? [31-Mar-25 11:23 AM] jab.sh#0000 they do create market making opportunities, if the bundle is cheaper you can just buy it and unpack it at the CX then sell the parts [31-Mar-25 11:25 AM] jab.sh#0000 also PAC needs SET? that's just dumb [31-Mar-25 11:27 AM] .shiva.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356303956355322017/Screenshot_20250331-092722.png?ex=6814f27e&is=6813a0fe&hm=778fea356697680c5189e6977301ead47d4653f689fa37b68a6309e5ab2cb430& [31-Mar-25 11:28 AM] .shiva.#0000 The bundle is going to be a decent bit more expensive than the consumables are seperately [31-Mar-25 11:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I get, that they intend to implement it as quick as possible. Therefore they need to use existing programming. Having to โ€œproduceโ€ the packages feels logical and in line with the overall game design. But yeah, it creates a lot of variables, which decide if the packages will be used or not. Obviously, the need to dedicate a precious permit, pay for the base, workers and shipping, ads a lot of friction and therefore will make the packages overall more expensive then buying the materials individually. [31-Mar-25 11:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It will most likely have there niches and use cases. But as many already mentioned, we will need to see, if they will be produced and used more widely [31-Mar-25 11:35 AM] jab.sh#0000 why do settlers need to help throw some supplies in a box ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Mar-25 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They need supervisors checking if the tape is fixed properly ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 11:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There canโ€™t be effective work without some middle management [31-Mar-25 11:37 AM] jab.sh#0000 ๐Ÿคท [31-Mar-25 11:37 AM] jvaler#0000 ^^ of all the things they could add from [that forum thread](https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/on-player-workload-scaling-or-why-i-am-quitting-prun/6658) they chose the one thing already covered by a 3rd party solution :/ it's probably the easiest to implement, but i wish that time was spent on something like just fixing the flight path bug {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (5) [31-Mar-25 11:39 AM] .shiva.#0000 What's kinda rough is that using the bundles is worse than an action package in every way too... More expensive, more space, and you have to manually unpack anyways once they get to the destination, so more time in game [31-Mar-25 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 you're kidding [31-Mar-25 11:40 AM] jvaler#0000 wtaf [31-Mar-25 11:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The more space is something I hope they address. 20 canes packed into a box is imo โ€œsmallerโ€ then 20 loose ones {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [31-Mar-25 11:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love, if pop auto-unpacks available packaged consumables, if no unpacked are available anymore [31-Mar-25 11:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Tho thatโ€™s probably what molp meant in the forum threads with โ€œconfusing behaviourโ€ [31-Mar-25 11:52 AM] .urpalhal#0000 all i got to say is if I didn't have xit action I wouldn't be as big as i am {Reactions} true (3) [31-Mar-25 11:57 AM] realharvey#0000 I don't use xit actions. [31-Mar-25 11:57 AM] jab.sh#0000 maybe you should [31-Mar-25 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 i just want base repairs to be made to work automatically like consumables ;_; [31-Mar-25 11:58 AM] jvaler#0000 that alone would probably bring me back [31-Mar-25 11:59 AM] jvaler#0000 i hate stressing about missing repair timings [31-Mar-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 just don't stress [31-Mar-25 11:59 AM] jvaler#0000 but muh efficiency... [31-Mar-25 12:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 assume you're inefficient and be surprised when you're not ๐Ÿ˜† [31-Mar-25 12:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Is negligible [31-Mar-25 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 on a lot of buildings it's not [31-Mar-25 12:00 PM] jvaler#0000 missing the threshhold can double your repair cost [31-Mar-25 12:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 I just try to aim for 90 days on everything and usually fall short by around 10 days [31-Mar-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't use xit actions either [31-Mar-25 12:01 PM] laaxus#0000 it's not faster [31-Mar-25 12:01 PM] jvaler#0000 and nothing else in the game works like this. most things it doesn't matter how early you are, just don't be late. but with repairs you're penalized for being early [31-Mar-25 12:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 i'd say it depends on the base [31-Mar-25 12:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 if you're running all PIO/SET/whatever or just one building, it's not faster [31-Mar-25 12:02 PM] sidepipe#0000 but if you have a complex base where you're doing lots of stuff, it def saves time [31-Mar-25 12:02 PM] jvaler#0000 might not always be faster but it saves the tedium of switching between mouse and keyboard while doing MTRAs [31-Mar-25 12:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I disagree [31-Mar-25 12:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 my phobos base has 17 things that need to go there between workforce consumables and inputs, and the only reason I still have it is XIT ACT ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Mar-25 12:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 its one button, it buys everything, I don't have to think oh i use this much per day so I need to buy and then transfer this much for 30 days [31-Mar-25 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 just click click click click send ship done {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [31-Mar-25 12:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i don't even need to open any extra windows [31-Mar-25 12:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's significantly faster. you just spam click, send ship, and you're done [31-Mar-25 12:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 Yeah, it's absolutely faster, by a good margin [31-Mar-25 12:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And removes thinking [31-Mar-25 12:05 PM] .shiva.#0000 And 0 mental load outside setting it up [31-Mar-25 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 by the time I open every buffer, and place them in a way that the button is clickable [31-Mar-25 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm usually done [31-Mar-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 just have a screen with them already open {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 12:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356313758397501490/image.png?ex=6814fb9f&is=6813aa1f&hm=93142e2685c7fa2c281f892404ca7e6e86ecdb25bff15db668192394f52a895c& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 12:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm a bit lazy so I keep MTRA and ACT on my main screen and I'll usually stock up on common consumables [31-Mar-25 12:07 PM] realharvey#0000 This is me 100% [31-Mar-25 12:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 so I'll round up to the nearest 100/1000/10000 depending on the item and just draw that stock down over time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 12:08 PM] realharvey#0000 100% when I try to run xit action something is wrong and it doesn't work on first try. That annoys me more than putting big numbers of cons on a ship [31-Mar-25 12:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I thought mine was broken but turns out I was confused and/or using it wrong [31-Mar-25 12:09 PM] .shiva.#0000 If you dedicate a screen to them, say one for supply, and one for repair, i havent run into any issues in a long while [31-Mar-25 12:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 You need the game to be in English or it wonโ€™t work [31-Mar-25 12:10 PM] realharvey#0000 I despise translations. I have always been on english {Reactions} ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [31-Mar-25 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What goes wrong when you try them? [31-Mar-25 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [31-Mar-25 12:13 PM] manhim#0000 I have all my needed repair mats in my burn sheet and make sure that all my bases are stocked with the right repair materials for my target days. And I have this dashboard: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356315452955033660/Screenshot_20250331-131259.png?ex=6814fd33&is=6813abb3&hm=31af4432c419572cd33f004d07e3a8c70005c9d5e29b9ff4bce7cf3821c49ead& [31-Mar-25 12:14 PM] manhim#0000 Pretty similar to XIT REPAIRS but I can customize my repair dates by building and by planet [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 what goes right is the better question [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 I let prunplanner create the config [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 Open the MTRA buffer and have alll in my ANT warehouse [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 and then some works some doesnt [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 i hate trouble shooting it [31-Mar-25 12:26 PM] realharvey#0000 so I just dont [31-Mar-25 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ahh [31-Mar-25 12:28 PM] manhim#0000 The issue with actions is that it scales badly the more bases you have. You still have to go 1 by 1. Which isn't too bad if you're well staggered. I decided to have my custom burn sheet generate me a buy list that merges everything that I need together and it also generates a shipping list per bases that I can execute after I'm done buying the materials with identified blockers that makes each task require another one (or multiple) to be completed before being started. So far I've had to put a very similar amount of effort even although I just doubled my base count. And whenever I do something multiple times, then I write it down and start thinking of how I can automate that decision making. Like my next note is to create a shipping route system that makes use of my other data to tell me which ships I should use, when and where. Whoever wants a copy of my sheet can just dm me and I'll give a copy that doesn't have my API keys. [31-Mar-25 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I don't let prunplanner create any of my xit actions [31-Mar-25 12:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i make my own {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [31-Mar-25 12:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 do you open MTRA as a floating buffer or one integrated into a page? [31-Mar-25 12:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-quiet-mute-mute-deer-pause-gif-3676484987657574386 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/znrt6A3xkTNbCzn6DaJYhwEv8XI5X1-3i5MKDxdNZ64/https/media.tenor.com/MwV_ng9i1_IAAAAe/no-comment-quiet.png [31-Mar-25 12:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have had issues with the floating buffer {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [31-Mar-25 12:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356322155461214509/image.png?ex=68150371&is=6813b1f1&hm=2697b90d6451a8f78835d03603059e3f8a83bba79cba461a13e3ed16d2b598ea& [31-Mar-25 12:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 I should add a fuel action... [31-Mar-25 12:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for fueling your ships? [31-Mar-25 12:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh that is possible isn't it [31-Mar-25 12:48 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think so [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well let me know if you figure it out [31-Mar-25 12:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so I can do it too [31-Mar-25 01:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m starting this discussion over here, since the AGP channel is a bit heated at the moment. It was already mentioned somewhere, so thatโ€™s not a new idea, but could we change the way applications are posted to threads or like galactic deals in UFO The goal would be to have - to have discussions regards a plan grouped and not mixed - linkable threads to refer to, if somebody ask for a similar plan - an index new players can scroll threw and find already approved plans and why (less explaining) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [31-Mar-25 01:40 PM] evany.#0000 actually I pushed back on Laaxus asking for plans that he thought were "good" beginner bases, because as I see it today SME and FRM bases are pretty poor returns at least to a player following tutorials to maybe offer are own "alternate" tutorials or 'encouraged starts' maybe kind of like what your alluding to. [31-Mar-25 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Hm, true [31-Mar-25 01:48 PM] laaxus#0000 does not require upgraded ship : FRM GF PPF EXT (HAL) FP Requires upgraded ship : CHP POL PP2 [31-Mar-25 01:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But I think we can agree, that we generally accept grants not specifically because of their profitability, but because they are overall good designs. [31-Mar-25 02:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 We check, if the planet makes sense, if the COGC is fitting, if itโ€™s logistically feasible, if the material can be sold. [31-Mar-25 02:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And people would still need to open up new threads to apply, so we can still inform them, if a plan isnโ€™t profitable anymore. But they could already have informed themselves about whatโ€™s important and needs to be checked first. Like a FAQ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [31-Mar-25 02:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Threads would increase readability and keep discussions clean and reusable [31-Mar-25 02:09 PM] evany.#0000 thats actually a good point, while i think theres obvious stuff like cogc but someone more familiar with SME might catch beginner mistakes like FLX / alternate recipes it might be worth having a straight up checklist [31-Mar-25 02:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 โ€ฆ or a pinned thread with common pitfalls ๐Ÿ‘€ [31-Mar-25 02:55 PM] evany.#0000 there is one now, someone pinned some of my bs the other day [31-Mar-25 04:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 What a long read, what did I learn from it: I need to learn xit action and xit repair Bundles are a miss My mea needs to be set very high price so mo market manipulators would buy them [31-Mar-25 04:59 PM] sidepipe#0000 honestly, just price your MEA at a level you feel comfortable selling at. if someone does buy them all trying to raise the price, then you just get to sell them all at once ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [31-Mar-25 05:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 I m not at computer atm [31-Mar-25 05:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 But I m getting evil vibes to stretch the price super high and also guilty vibes of doing it [31-Mar-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 Im not sure if playing a spreadsheet game should give you that type of vibes but itโ€™s working [31-Mar-25 05:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 I like it [31-Mar-25 05:05 PM] zillatron#0000 The right price is what someone is willing to pay ๐Ÿ’ฐ [31-Mar-25 05:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 haha, I promise I'm not manipulating markets ๐Ÿ˜„ [31-Mar-25 05:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 all i mean is - don't worry too much about raising the price to avoid market manipulation. if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. and if you're happy selling MEA at 3k (made up number), then you win if someone buys it to resell. maybe they think they can sell at 4k, but who knows? it's money in your pocket and out of their pocket {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [31-Mar-25 05:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 I keep some fairly large orders on a few markets that got bought out in the past just to prevent that (or make it more expensive), but I can also afford to not sell all that FIM/FLX/whatever [31-Mar-25 09:41 PM] vanarazor#0000 roggie~!! [31-Mar-25 09:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 buildings and ships should be repair at 80 % mark , correct? [31-Mar-25 09:51 PM] .shiva.#0000 ships yes, buildings are more complicated, but in general every 60 or every 90 days [31-Mar-25 11:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 buildings 90 days (that's what we do in AA) [31-Mar-25 11:10 PM] .shiva.#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit?gid=0#gid=0 {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELsfw4ii1hQFWDd-BL4JzwqHc-wGVXbJtvAeprv0pZ0/edit?gid=0 PrUn repair guide https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OvMQy7GsWp3Y93eRUD88KDHP7kIzFAujJCeYCUSPBJM/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyI7k1OumRiiC01Gg8CJ_E8sR15mmYrF0hWeHRbApT830ApRYTlDfx9AVjJD0dXkmGuQSfTNTFaxxiB3EEFr5MB9K24M3GICHsOEImaYFtRTXAbJ1jRj%3Dw1200-h630-p [31-Mar-25 11:10 PM] .shiva.#0000 ^ the actual details [31-Mar-25 11:10 PM] .shiva.#0000 it basically boils down to 60/90 days though [31-Mar-25 11:12 PM] .shiva.#0000 with 60 usually being "optimal" and 90 being very close to as good, but you get an extra month between repairs [31-Mar-25 11:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 what's the cost difference of 60x3 vs 90x2 [31-Mar-25 11:19 PM] .shiva.#0000 you'd need to do the math for your own base [31-Mar-25 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 for my SME base on deimos [31-Mar-25 11:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 THQNK YOU [31-Mar-25 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 15k per SME vs 22k per SME [31-Mar-25 11:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 so like 60k per SME vs 44k per SME it looks like? [31-Mar-25 11:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 so 90x2 is cheaper? [31-Mar-25 11:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 it's not that simple since you're also losing output over time with the longer cycles [31-Mar-25 11:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 to get the "real" number you need to use the sheet and do the math [31-Mar-25 11:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 or just pick one of the cycles and stick w/ it [31-Mar-25 11:32 PM] .shiva.#0000 since it's not *that* different [31-Mar-25 11:34 PM] laaxus#0000 I repair bases at 45% [31-Mar-25 11:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah it also depends [31-Mar-25 11:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol it says I should repair Halcyon every 11 days [31-Mar-25 11:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 bc that is the most optimal [01-Apr-25 03:37 AM] evov#0000 45/60/90 - One of these will most likely be optimal. A lot of it depends on your shipping availability / ratio of repair cost to productivity of the base. A lot of the time I find people do not take into consideration the lost productivity of a base. [01-Apr-25 03:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 to use the spread shit, and find the daily profit of a building I'm guessing I should add the profit of each products ? [01-Apr-25 03:44 AM] vanarazor#0000 and I should find something quite similar to prplanner ?: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356549858701611069/image.png?ex=68148601&is=68133481&hm=4bc381de5f941242ea50bf2c4aed7f8067dcfcbf7973071b34bd912d48930390& [01-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I remember one forum post recommending repairing every 45 days [01-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 as a good rule of thumb [01-Apr-25 04:06 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm at work so I can't find the link tho [01-Apr-25 04:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I repair after 60 days combined with my consumable restock, so I can handle it in one shipment [01-Apr-25 02:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm planing on generating an Antares economic report and would like to know, that metrics would be intersting to you guys. Atm, I was thinking about population costs (cost per worker per day by type over time), since I feel like that's kinda a metric for overall inflation. Also about market saturation and rising/declining markets in price. Also, what timeframe makes the most sense? Weekly or monthly? [01-Apr-25 02:47 PM] getonthetrain#0000 most popular planets base plot count #'s {Reactions} kekw [01-Apr-25 02:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 bases per planets? [01-Apr-25 02:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm not sure, if we have that data via FIO [01-Apr-25 03:08 PM] evany.#0000 i believe someone in the AA might have done something about 'bases' per player, though the numbers slightly different bases per planet.. [01-Apr-25 03:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 If we can see bases per player, we should be able to calculate bases per planet (assuming we know where the players have there bases) [01-Apr-25 03:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I will need to look into that [01-Apr-25 03:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 I thought FIO has base data in the user data payload [01-Apr-25 03:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 But then youโ€™d need a list of all active company names or codes [01-Apr-25 03:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah, 11 days for triple green EXT ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-Apr-25 08:41 PM] evov#0000 Less so of an economic report... but I think it would be good to have a monthly report on all the active planets, their cogc's, pops - within 6 jumps of the ANT cx. I think making it clear all the good options people have for expansion in the area might make it easier for people to grow/develop bases. Might also guide people towards prioritizing development in ANT space rather than other regions. [01-Apr-25 08:42 PM] pagy1234#0000 Maybe how many new bases there are? And if possible a breakdown per system? [01-Apr-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 a planetary development report would be a great thing. Probably a fun RP option too [01-Apr-25 08:42 PM] tanda#0000 Highlight planets with population issues like Phobos and advise against current settlement until governments can react [01-Apr-25 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 or maybe spotlight new developing planets that might be of good strategic value (Black Mesa and Lom Palanka *cough* *cough*) [02-Apr-25 01:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m surprised people are more interested in the planets then the market ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ Iโ€™ll look into the data FIO provides and see, what we can do [02-Apr-25 01:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What are those population issues? Do they have not enough workers? [02-Apr-25 01:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How should we spotlight them? By checking if they have rapid pop growth? Development of new infrastructure? [02-Apr-25 01:54 AM] evov#0000 I suspect a lot of people already have some type of tool or process they use to look at the markets. Whereas the tools available for some of the less focused on things aren't as well developed imo. Consumable cost per worker for each of the regions. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356884419809382511/image.png?ex=681514d7&is=6813c357&hm=0c54861bf3a17cb51ea41913f1be8e86adcb698bd50f6eae1dc58d2ced943994& [02-Apr-25 01:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Costs per worker is an easy metric to generate, so no doubt everybody has a sheet for that. I wanted to generate a daily value and put them into a graph to see its development [02-Apr-25 01:56 AM] evov#0000 So like, a visual tracker of inflation for the different regions? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Apr-25 01:57 AM] laaxus#0000 how do you handle mats that has no ask, like mea ? [02-Apr-25 01:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yes, basically [02-Apr-25 01:58 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, BEN scientist were so close to greatness [02-Apr-25 01:58 AM] laaxus#0000 so close [02-Apr-25 01:58 AM] evov#0000 AVG - uses the last sale. So you don't run into errors when either buys or sales run empty. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Apr-25 03:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 There IS an endpoint for all sites a planet has. So we can get something rollinโ€™ here ๐Ÿ˜ [02-Apr-25 03:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Should be doable, by comparing the sites of two different timestamps and sort them by there respective systems ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป [02-Apr-25 03:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 What defines an โ€œactive planetโ€ - having a COGC? A government? Living population? [02-Apr-25 03:10 AM] evov#0000 An active cogc imo [02-Apr-25 03:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Makes sense [02-Apr-25 03:11 AM] evov#0000 It means someone is on the planet fueling it every week. [02-Apr-25 06:48 AM] tanda#0000 It's not Archiel's fault that more than 7 bases of SCI dropped on the planet within the same time span. Nor that people keep adding more SCI jobs (like we're not critically short on MEA) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1356958353628336128/image.png?ex=6814b0f2&is=68135f72&hm=501567e4ae4537b7d2b009c3e73dc81186a6515f839881ffcc2d851b2e7a3374& [02-Apr-25 06:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, I see [02-Apr-25 06:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Talking about IDC an such ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [02-Apr-25 06:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Isnโ€™t SCI something you should most definitely tell the gov ahead? [02-Apr-25 06:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So a report would highlight planets with high unemployment counts? [02-Apr-25 06:52 AM] tanda#0000 or planets that have gone into decline due to government neglect. (Like Aceland a month or so ago) [02-Apr-25 06:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hmโ€ฆ Im currently not involved in any government affairs, so I will need some assistant from you guys, to get some valuable reports ๐Ÿค” [02-Apr-25 06:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I will checkout the available endpoints and start scrapping data. [02-Apr-25 10:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I like this, a curated list of the best planets for each COGM close to ANT [02-Apr-25 01:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 I wish I could produce my own AL, AL prices at the Cx are on the rise [02-Apr-25 01:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 Needs more extract planet close to greens production for C [02-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 Al is EXTREMMELY cheap [02-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 i''d be glad if prices were rising [02-Apr-25 01:27 PM] laaxus#0000 but they aren't [02-Apr-25 01:28 PM] tanda#0000 Yeah, prices are holding steady. I might start being a net consumer if things stay this cheap [02-Apr-25 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 I honestly feel bad for AL producers [02-Apr-25 01:29 PM] laaxus#0000 they deserve AL at 900, at least [02-Apr-25 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 Not quite that high >.> [02-Apr-25 01:30 PM] tanda#0000 Fe is that high and that puts it higher than every other cx by at least 150/unit [02-Apr-25 01:31 PM] manhim#0000 Right now AL is at around 15k/d [02-Apr-25 01:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 i think all prices should get higher until data cores are on par with every other base ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Apr-25 01:31 PM] igfloz#0000 I endorse this message ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Apr-25 01:32 PM] laaxus#0000 at least that high [02-Apr-25 01:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 AL used to sit around 400-500 [02-Apr-25 01:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But then carbon went up so AL went up [02-Apr-25 01:39 PM] laaxus#0000 C is also heavily underpriced {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [02-Apr-25 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean [02-Apr-25 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HCP was giving me a 12 day ROI using CX prices on a planet with INS and SEA [02-Apr-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 I get paid $500k/week in C for my 20k/day base so I'm happy with C at any price ๐Ÿ˜† [02-Apr-25 02:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 With AL rise , so will prefabs [02-Apr-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 several prefabs are already at MM ๐Ÿคท [02-Apr-25 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm all for sustainable prices [02-Apr-25 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 AL current price isn't [02-Apr-25 02:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe LFABs maybe not tho ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [02-Apr-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like at CX rates Iโ€™m getting like BSE at 1300 BBH at like 2000 [02-Apr-25 02:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 BTA @ 1400 [02-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 still higher than my rates ๐Ÿ˜› [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah and mine too [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But like it still is barely profitable [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't even know if my rates are good [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 I really need to sit down and math it out [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 Isnโ€™t because most prefab are AL vertically integrated? [02-Apr-25 02:08 PM] laaxus#0000 AL on the cx is basically free {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [02-Apr-25 02:09 PM] vanarazor#0000 Because it has less value due integrated AL [02-Apr-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m using CX prices for everything [02-Apr-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No price changes for anything [02-Apr-25 02:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 If anything AL producers should not work hand in hands with predabs maker? [02-Apr-25 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 Why would I produce AL when it's free on the market ? [02-Apr-25 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 it's one of the most stable product, alongside C [02-Apr-25 02:12 PM] laaxus#0000 so need for deals [02-Apr-25 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not necessarily [02-Apr-25 02:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just build a base that uses AL [02-Apr-25 02:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos sits at 34k profit/day (AL) atm ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Apr-25 02:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573 it ain't much, but it's honest work. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pPaUwWlTlD-xGoBC65_pYKu75JuLNZD1Pu7cIykij6E/https/media.tenor.com/sH_KNNF07EoAAAAe/honest-word-its-honest-work.png [02-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 too bad it's impossible to get on Deimos [02-Apr-25 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For now [02-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [02-Apr-25 02:28 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm sure it isnt too bad on other SME planets [02-Apr-25 02:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's only +6 ๐Ÿคž [02-Apr-25 02:29 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have parts for a CM sitting there for when a spot opens ๐Ÿ˜† [02-Apr-25 02:29 PM] laaxus#0000 Vulcan isn't that much more expensive [02-Apr-25 02:31 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I sit at roughly 500k profit/day with 10 bases... which isn't too bad, but could be better I guess [02-Apr-25 02:31 PM] vanarazor#0000 If o really want t integrate AL, icould still buy the ALO [02-Apr-25 02:34 PM] moke.#0000 Thats what it was when I started looking, and it took about a week and a half. I wanna say in mid November? [02-Apr-25 02:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 nah [02-Apr-25 02:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 it was only full like a month or two ago [02-Apr-25 02:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't think it was November [02-Apr-25 02:36 PM] igfloz#0000 I think it was Nov. Thats when I jumped into a gap [02-Apr-25 02:36 PM] moke.#0000 November 1st [02-Apr-25 02:36 PM] moke.#0000 CM is 152 days old [02-Apr-25 11:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 wow +4 ๐Ÿ‘€ [02-Apr-25 11:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 does it mean people are leaving the planet? yaya [02-Apr-25 11:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [02-Apr-25 11:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 Noice [02-Apr-25 11:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 someone on EZ-476 just accepted my shipping contracts ๐Ÿ˜• 5d from ant [02-Apr-25 11:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 literally flies past Moira to get to ANT [02-Apr-25 11:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 crazy [02-Apr-25 11:45 PM] manhim#0000 Calypso? [02-Apr-25 11:46 PM] jab.sh#0000 yep [02-Apr-25 11:56 PM] tanda#0000 they currently have a ship in the area. I just don't know why [03-Apr-25 12:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 have they been fulfilling contracts? [03-Apr-25 12:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 I would like to know too, they accepted a shipment contract of mine aswell [03-Apr-25 01:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 You can see where peopleโ€™s ships are? [03-Apr-25 01:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 on a system map you can click on ships, an it tells you who owns then, although I would be suprised if that is how Tanda found where their ships are. [03-Apr-25 02:12 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Dedication thatโ€™s how [03-Apr-25 04:15 AM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357282399708512411/Screenshot_20250403-051520.png?ex=68148d3d&is=68133bbd&hm=2895f6a56638e63468cf398880716f6a28c7c2e3e620a2acce860b554f12975f& [03-Apr-25 06:43 AM] tanda#0000 No, but they fulfilled a couple of my shipping contracts a day or so ago {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Apr-25 09:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 interesting [03-Apr-25 01:35 PM] whitefox8#0000 This contract actually looks like I could do it too, but I just dont have luck then it comes to finding shipping contracts for my ships. [03-Apr-25 09:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 I reckon some scientists are starving at the moment [04-Apr-25 09:37 AM] kk100762#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/8da25283-8a95-4f66-8846-5896dbaeab6b Can this be optimized?or just get drink water from market [04-Apr-25 09:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Let me throw your plan into my math machine [04-Apr-25 09:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 and use the BEA + GRN + NUT recipe to make RAT because iirc its cheaper (way less water usage) [04-Apr-25 09:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 also, I wouldnt put the FPs on harmonia, you will just end up moving them later on which will cost you quite a bit, make harmonia fully farming with just a few of FP's if nessessary, then expand later [04-Apr-25 09:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 60k is your current setup, 76k is an improved one {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357728875282567421/image.png?ex=6814db8d&is=68138a0d&hm=8ba4400665d5c583ba5f3a153a4f80c8115026f7ad948dc1a2045087e9bcfb8f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357728875576295576/image.png?ex=6814db8d&is=68138a0d&hm=f0b08a9448f628ef6bb6ca4b2fd984e72171fbf08f84c8a0f66b5cf437a00df9& [04-Apr-25 09:50 AM] kk100762#0000 Which planet is better to build FP [04-Apr-25 09:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 planets with food industry COGC [04-Apr-25 09:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 many recommend Norwick [04-Apr-25 09:51 AM] kk100762#0000 thank [04-Apr-25 09:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 - don't extract water, buy it from the market - use the space for more FP (or move them completely to another planet) - use the BEA/GRN/NUT recipe like Appletree suggested [04-Apr-25 09:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 depends on your current financial possibilities. If that's your first base, you might want to expand Harmonia first and move the FP later [04-Apr-25 09:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but if you happen to have the funds for a second base, go for it [04-Apr-25 09:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 extracting water on Harmonia is _technically_ cheaper then the market sells, but the difference is negligible and the space is better invested for more FRM [04-Apr-25 10:09 AM] kk100762#0000 Thank [04-Apr-25 10:13 AM] kk100762#0000 I have seen loans on other channels. Is 3% interest high? [04-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 iirc not really. Should be lower then the galactic inflation? @laaxus knows probably more [04-Apr-25 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 it's very low [04-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 3% weekly seems a lot in comparison to irl [04-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 but it's not tho [04-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 many base have a ROI of below 10 [04-Apr-25 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 a 3% interest loan has a roi of 33 days [04-Apr-25 10:17 AM] jvaler#0000 it's quite low. i copy the 3% figure from lowstrife to use for my own loans and it really isn't all that profitable. the money you tie up into handing out a 3% loan would have generated you 2x+ more income if you had put it into a new production base instead [04-Apr-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 (ROI is how many days to get the money back) [04-Apr-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think most of the bigger players loan out money to support the overall growth of the universe, not to make big profits [04-Apr-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 Lowstrife is the only one that succeeds at loaning [04-Apr-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 loaning at 3% is more profitable than most bases after permit 20 [04-Apr-25 10:20 AM] jvaler#0000 it's successful for him due to the scale he's able to do it at {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Apr-25 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 it's impossible to compete with this rate because it would require a scale you can't have by competing [04-Apr-25 10:20 AM] jvaler#0000 he could never properly invest that much money alone, so the loans are equivelant to having other players invest it for him and giving him a cut [04-Apr-25 10:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sounds about right [04-Apr-25 10:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 You might want to consider the ADI grant, if not already done. If you're happy with your plan, please post it into the #agp-operations channel to apply [04-Apr-25 10:24 AM] kk100762#0000 What do I need to submit [04-Apr-25 10:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 All details are noted in #agp-information , but bascially a PrunPlanner Link to your plan and a short description. After that, it will be reviewed and if somebody approves it, they send you the money. You'll need a Pro license, tho, to accept the contract. [04-Apr-25 10:28 AM] kk100762#0000 ๐Ÿ‘Œ [04-Apr-25 10:29 AM] kk100762#0000 If I want to produce on two planets, should I submit two links {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Apr-25 10:30 AM] realharvey#0000 lowstrife has mentioned recently that he has made about +- with his loans. Reason being that a few people leave the game and dont pay back the loan. And with only 3% interest it takes quite a few other loans to make up one loand not going thorugh [04-Apr-25 10:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, isn't that what killed shrewdsun? [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 he loaned an IDC base to a kid [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] getonthetrain#0000 loans should be painful for the borrower [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 that has not spend the money into IDC [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] laaxus#0000 and the story didn't end well [04-Apr-25 10:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And now OOG has a credit score database, or something? xD [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] kk100762#0000 Loans will not be forced to be repaid after the player leaves the game๏ผŸ [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] laaxus#0000 interest rate is subject to supply & demands [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 nope [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] kk100762#0000 bad [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ’€ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357739959393452172/image.png?ex=6814e5df&is=6813945f&hm=098ecebfcaf71fa68cb6c69e331b951edbe412005a89a9db7c593ab2f33e8b08& [04-Apr-25 10:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the contract system can't take money you don't have on your balance [04-Apr-25 10:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and there is no system to liquidate assets to make cash [04-Apr-25 10:34 AM] kk100762#0000 I think the game needs a space war system hh [04-Apr-25 10:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It doesn't [04-Apr-25 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 PLEASE NO [04-Apr-25 10:34 AM] laaxus#0000 thank you [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 if the player has the money in their balance the loan will be auto-paid, but if all their money is tied up in assets there is no system of automatically liquidating that to pay back the loan [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 not losing a ship at the end of a gateway is what makes me not leave the game [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 they were like a few weeks old at that point, weren't they? xD [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] laaxus#0000 no PVP is what makes this game great ! [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] kk100762#0000 What are the penalties for not repaying the loan? [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] jvaler#0000 i think so lol [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 a bad in-game score [04-Apr-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and nobody likes you anymore [04-Apr-25 10:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but if you stop playing, that doesn't mean anything [04-Apr-25 10:36 AM] jvaler#0000 it does, but few people seem to be adding data to it. i attempted to input my loan backlog a few months ago but it's just kinda tedious to do [04-Apr-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 Everybody knows everybody [04-Apr-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 the guy above was basically blacklisted anyway [04-Apr-25 10:37 AM] laaxus#0000 It's extremmely hard to lose money in prun [04-Apr-25 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 like, you either need to lose money voluntarily, or to not seek help at all [04-Apr-25 10:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 "extremly hard to _accidentally_ lose money" - if you try, it's quite easy xD [04-Apr-25 10:38 AM] laaxus#0000 there's a litteral tool telling you if your base will make money or not [04-Apr-25 10:38 AM] jvaler#0000 how did they end up getting ran off for good? were they banned or something? or did their "parent" take the game away from them for real? [04-Apr-25 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 memory is fuzzy, but if I remember correctly (take it with a grain of salt) - Shrew and the parent had a long discussion (I can't imagine myself in Shrewd boots) - Parent told that kid will pay the loan back once he earned it (the money was mostly wasted) - Shrewd told the community it was ok and to please forget about it (probably decided to leave the game by then) - The guy played a bit more then left the game for good [04-Apr-25 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 that sounds about right iirc too [04-Apr-25 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 still have no idea where tf all that money went lmao [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] jvaler#0000 how do you waste money on the easiest base type in the game to run [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 swiss tax heavens [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Imagine getting called by some stranger, because you're kid did loan fraud in a game ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] pagy1234#0000 supprised that no one bailed them out, considering how lax most of you are with giving out money lol [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 no no no [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 it's the other way around [04-Apr-25 10:43 AM] laaxus#0000 shrewd messaged the guy (not knowing he was a very young kid) to get his money back [04-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 by not investing the money in the easiest base around [04-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and start an outer rim cartel [04-Apr-25 10:44 AM] realharvey#0000 invest in HCB's! - *Please dont I have cashflow issues * [04-Apr-25 10:44 AM] laaxus#0000 then the kid complained to his mother and the mother asked him to stop the online harassement {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 10:45 AM] jvaler#0000 that's what made me think the parents were fake lmao although now that i think about it that does seem like a mom response [04-Apr-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 and then shrewd had a litteral phone call with the mom explaining what the game is and how the money was not real but was still precious, because it took a many many hours of real human time to get it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Apr-25 10:46 AM] laaxus#0000 (I think it was a phone call, not sure) [04-Apr-25 10:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 no wonder he was done after that ๐Ÿ˜… [04-Apr-25 10:46 AM] jvaler#0000 found the thread if anyone wants to read it https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1299537937498636389 [04-Apr-25 10:47 AM] jvaler#0000 oh first screenshot is him wasting money on crashing PT.IC1?? lmfao [04-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 TBH, this whole thread deserves to be in a hall of fame, somewhere [04-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 it deserves to be in the timeline of the lore of this universe [04-Apr-25 10:48 AM] laaxus#0000 alongside the C market manipulation and the FLX market manipulation [04-Apr-25 10:49 AM] realharvey#0000 *HOW DO YOU ACCEPT A 20 MIL LOAN CONTRACT WITHOUT CHECKING* [04-Apr-25 10:49 AM] realharvey#0000 did I read this right? lol [04-Apr-25 10:49 AM] jvaler#0000 where's that? [04-Apr-25 10:49 AM] laaxus#0000 he was **very** eager to send loans to litteraly anybody wanting them Because he was renting the capital [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 At the beginning {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357744051369021521/image.png?ex=6814e9af&is=6813982f&hm=ae910f886709e3b64e9835ee276bcc812fe830f5a461cd66df4c2f3cbff4826b& [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 people could put capital in his bank and receive interest [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 so he HAD to loan the capital away [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] laaxus#0000 or else he was losing money [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] jvaler#0000 ohh lol [04-Apr-25 10:50 AM] realharvey#0000 yeah But you should still check for such big loans [04-Apr-25 10:51 AM] realharvey#0000 1 Mil down the drain? shit. 20 MIL down the drain [04-Apr-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 well that made him quit the game [04-Apr-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 I wonder what he did with his capital [04-Apr-25 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 also i think this was really hilarious, on the forums he had a spree of falsely reporting anyone who called him out lmao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357744395415322795/image.png?ex=6814ea01&is=68139881&hm=ff2c0a36bdd5d30c71154c42790c38ed2c97c0c4ec92ace5f5420140343f785c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357744395654402221/image.png?ex=6814ea01&is=68139881&hm=c15000f7f77fbae3db6065437487a3ce86c7ffb6a2b635193a4d6b55c4867c2a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (4) [04-Apr-25 10:52 AM] realharvey#0000 thanks for pointing that out [04-Apr-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 shrewd probably assumed that anybody playing this game was a spreadsheet nerd {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Apr-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 and he loaned 20M to the kid that like fooling around [04-Apr-25 10:52 AM] laaxus#0000 quite unlucky [04-Apr-25 10:53 AM] laaxus#0000 but was bound to happen [04-Apr-25 10:53 AM] realharvey#0000 lowstrife has a lot of experience and his requirements are for good reason in place {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Apr-25 10:53 AM] realharvey#0000 but lowstrife is also the reason why no one else can get into that business. His interest rate is way to low [04-Apr-25 10:54 AM] realharvey#0000 interest should be about 3%-10% based on how safe that investment is [04-Apr-25 10:54 AM] realharvey#0000 but who is going to get a loan that has a higher rate than lowstrife? [04-Apr-25 11:10 AM] kk100762#0000 fram https://prunplanner.org/shared/8da25283-8a95-4f66-8846-5896dbaeab6b RAT https://prunplanner.org/shared/9e403543-4d6b-46e7-b771-a4a307699c3c guys๏ผŒI divided it into two planets, and the planet responsible for making RAT had a lot of empty space {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8da25283-8a95-4f66-8846-5896dbaeab6b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/9e403543-4d6b-46e7-b771-a4a307699c3c PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [04-Apr-25 11:11 AM] kk100762#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357749377208418354/IMG_6039.png?ex=6814eea5&is=68139d25&hm=5453d5a93a7efd2570150620d165db63368df9e70c2298c3a3ff098b23f3136e& [04-Apr-25 11:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 could you please repost your post into #agp-operations - otherwise in might not be seen or the discussion might be lost ^^ thank you [04-Apr-25 11:19 AM] kk100762#0000 get [04-Apr-25 11:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Apr-25 11:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™ll review it in a little bit, if nobody does it before me ๐Ÿ˜‰ [04-Apr-25 11:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Lowstrife only loans to to 6mil [04-Apr-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Woah that was a read [04-Apr-25 11:50 AM] realharvey#0000 by default yes. But you can also talk to them about bigger ones. There is more talk required then tho [04-Apr-25 11:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Where the hell was Iโ€ฆ [04-Apr-25 12:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Juicy drama and I missed it ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ [04-Apr-25 12:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Is this my sign to check UFO and the main discord more often? [04-Apr-25 12:12 PM] realharvey#0000 or wait till someone points you to the spice {Reactions} danceboi [04-Apr-25 12:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 We need spice role then ๐Ÿฅบ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [04-Apr-25 12:51 PM] jvaler#0000 @drama feels a bit toxic ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Apr-25 12:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah so not @drama [04-Apr-25 12:51 PM] jvaler#0000 but that's what it is [04-Apr-25 12:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like maybe @ tea [04-Apr-25 12:52 PM] laaxus#0000 @juice [04-Apr-25 12:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @JUI {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [04-Apr-25 12:54 PM] sidepipe#0000 Is it time to make #sidepipes-gossip-corner after all? ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Apr-25 12:54 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl - I was just gonna suggest @gossip [04-Apr-25 12:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 #sidepipes-juice-bar [04-Apr-25 12:55 PM] sidepipe#0000 Or we can just make it @โ˜•๏ธ [04-Apr-25 01:27 PM] realharvey#0000 I am in favour of this idea from my catbrother [04-Apr-25 01:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *makes channel*!:RSCatSweating: [04-Apr-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I really hope my RSE and RBH sells quite fast [04-Apr-25 01:46 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm starting to need the cash [04-Apr-25 01:50 PM] jvaler#0000 i just offered this to evayoo but they declined for now, so i'll also offer it to you =P {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357789424188129330/IMG_6505.png?ex=681513f1&is=6813c271&hm=2b3b4ed15cfaf73924d10d4ae567759a3e1f6fa269f0dd0c5742b8354b5126ab& {Reactions} danceboi [04-Apr-25 01:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 i need a 1 AIC loan pls [04-Apr-25 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 It's ok, I have breathing room {Reactions} โœ… [04-Apr-25 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 but I'd like my 30M back at some point [04-Apr-25 01:58 PM] pagy1234#0000 I can provide with a low interest rate of 2000% ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} danceboi (2) [04-Apr-25 01:59 PM] jvaler#0000 i gotchu {Reactions} danceboi (2) [04-Apr-25 04:20 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357827120692330696/image.png?ex=68148e4c&is=68133ccc&hm=ba779afb2be37c5b16f7112e6b22247311d5bbd616434db971d54bd8c6170d02& {Reactions} 3๏ธโƒฃ [04-Apr-25 04:20 PM] laaxus#0000 :danceboi: [04-Apr-25 04:21 PM] laaxus#0000 why is Cyrilk | ZSC not part of the ADI [04-Apr-25 04:21 PM] laaxus#0000 has somebody tried to contact them ? {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK [04-Apr-25 06:20 PM] evov#0000 If the interest rate is 3% per week.... the ROI would be 33 weeks... not 33 days. This seems like a long time, but it's not really when you include the cost of permits for new bases. Giving out loans that have an RoI of 7 or 8 months starts to make economic sense for people with high permit counts. [04-Apr-25 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 i kinda just let older players join of their own volition [04-Apr-25 06:30 PM] jvaler#0000 like i'd love if roganartu were here but ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [04-Apr-25 07:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 @laaxus at the end my BMP is the one reason I am actually doing fine : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357867351256596670/image.png?ex=6814b3c4&is=68136244&hm=255877ef58b99e7c226d21949e363acbdb7824eb9b1bc154828504a041b37fda& [04-Apr-25 07:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 because NL does not sell every day [04-Apr-25 07:01 PM] vanarazor#0000 and MEA does not sell at all , big players flooded the market and actively working on reducing prices : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357867737774428230/image.png?ex=6814b420&is=681362a0&hm=f8e9e59b283381b1faee022694cd16a006e1b4b2bceeeecf87952112f6e8c73b& [04-Apr-25 07:05 PM] evov#0000 MEA in MOR vs MEA in ANT - I know which region I'd rather be based in. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357868590778286220/image.png?ex=6814b4ec&is=6813636c&hm=f8d3c8fc15bd84544141a836f608ed91ee657d9621fa3938f1b77452c3045101& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Apr-25 07:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 ohhh duuuude!!! I need to start consulting other CX as well [04-Apr-25 07:07 PM] evov#0000 The differences do get resolved over time. When it started looking like a MEA shortage a week or so ago, I shipped a few thousand MEA from the MOR market over to ANT to ensure supply. I did the same thing with other stuff that I felt would be affected ( stuff FP's make like -> FIM / COF etc ) [04-Apr-25 07:07 PM] vanarazor#0000 and moria have seen more sales this week as well : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357869334826975292/image.png?ex=6814b59d&is=6813641d&hm=e2864aa6adb62848fcb8a1a0cb4fd71b4c10b13d244be14e9755039a71ccab03& [04-Apr-25 07:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 so wait a second the foreign exchange does not reflect the order book in question ? or does it ? how's that work ? [04-Apr-25 07:15 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1357871275909058771/image.png?ex=6814b76c&is=681365ec&hm=e915faaa93215a8072ea52dd933840c1192198b317ac2572e5b8033c1e101e60& [04-Apr-25 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 FX is jank {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Apr-25 07:16 PM] vanarazor#0000 so in general the conversion rate is 20-25K profit/loss for 1KK? [04-Apr-25 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t use it bc itโ€™s confusing [04-Apr-25 07:18 PM] vanarazor#0000 it 's actually not that confusing, once you wrap your head around that [04-Apr-25 07:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 there is this guy selling at rate 1 ncc /1.0 aic [04-Apr-25 07:19 PM] vanarazor#0000 he is an idealist I think [04-Apr-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [04-Apr-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I know a lot of people who avoid the FX [04-Apr-25 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I get the premise [04-Apr-25 07:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s the execution that is bad [04-Apr-25 07:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 or may be he is a realistic trader since AIC is favored compared to NCC ( but I actually have no idea) _may be Moria is **better** than ANT_ ๐Ÿซ  [04-Apr-25 07:21 PM] evov#0000 I avoid it on principle. I think cross regional trade should be the only thing that connects currencies. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [04-Apr-25 07:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 moria is so far [04-Apr-25 07:23 PM] vanarazor#0000 1d5h at full speeed [04-Apr-25 07:24 PM] evov#0000 2 days at min speed [04-Apr-25 08:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 I try to list my extra currency on the FX cause what else are you gonna do with it [04-Apr-25 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 Massive buy orders [04-Apr-25 08:55 PM] potaterror#0000 MOR MEA is the way it is because someone (I'm guessing Rakkzi) cleaned it out earlier today. [04-Apr-25 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 That does seem like something Rakkzi would do [04-Apr-25 11:35 PM] jcheung#0000 technically that depends on period length [05-Apr-25 02:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s actually not that far ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [05-Apr-25 03:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 [05-Apr-25 03:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 Laaxus wants to keep the market for himself, if more people get in R fabs prices might drop even more ๐Ÿ™‚ [05-Apr-25 03:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We have some need for lfabs, so atm, that might be a better call [05-Apr-25 03:11 AM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile he's busy crashing my SC market ๐Ÿฅน [05-Apr-25 03:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As a multi billionaire does [05-Apr-25 04:18 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358007931257229476/image.png?ex=68148df1&is=68133c71&hm=753b893202a9205a277b9c0fd4ffa98adced4440131cdc1f498a053192e73fb0& [05-Apr-25 04:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358008020386447463/image.png?ex=68148e06&is=68133c86&hm=7f128a13d0839bd8bb9b628d3a08f0cd12ec7784983e1c8546241da6d9f73b90& [05-Apr-25 04:20 AM] vanarazor#0000 on the line : 3k t 1k m I think there is m**3 that should be a t, nothing major but I've noticed [05-Apr-25 05:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I might start flooding the CU market soon [05-Apr-25 05:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have to much and coming to the point, where I don't care anymore [05-Apr-25 05:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm sorry for all collateral damage [05-Apr-25 11:50 AM] tanda#0000 that's cool, I was going to stop smelting my own CU anyways [05-Apr-25 11:57 AM] igfloz#0000 I'm gonna be asking for some Cu soon also [05-Apr-25 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 There is a ship that is 1000t 3000m3. The cargo bay for it is called VCB [05-Apr-25 01:12 PM] pxlfox.#0000 good to hear. CU market was really stale the last days ๐Ÿฅฒ [05-Apr-25 02:13 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah gaz hauler, but now I slept on it, I think prplanner is accurate , that fifth line for the wcb, the limiting factor is the volume of the cargo hence why there is an m**3 [05-Apr-25 08:33 PM] wikifeia#0000 How many bases did you have when yall built your third ships? [05-Apr-25 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 6? I think? [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 5 [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] tanda#0000 It's been a minute {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358253728561369138/image.png?ex=6814ca1c&is=6813789c&hm=ce96f2df49384ead78efe62b1709518bc12afb20be39f1ef61b0012eb87979f6& [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But my 5th base was nuts [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] wikifeia#0000 nuts? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [05-Apr-25 08:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [05-Apr-25 08:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 3 permit HAL mine on Halcyon [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] wikifeia#0000 i'm upgrading my second wcb, first one is dedicated to shipping between nascent and deimos/vulcan, thinking about starting an H2O base now that I won't need to be sending my second ship back and forth between my metallurgy bases and ANT every day [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I bought 3 ships for it [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] wikifeia#0000 very spensive [05-Apr-25 08:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [06-Apr-25 03:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Ok guys, the Antares Economy Report is coming along. I have a first data aggregation for you. [06-Apr-25 03:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 As soon as the script is done, Iโ€™m going to post it here [06-Apr-25 03:53 PM] manhim#0000 Woot [06-Apr-25 03:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It will only include a planet list for now, as people requested [06-Apr-25 03:58 PM] tanda#0000 I'm looking forward to it! [06-Apr-25 04:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HtgEd4IweNmKBVO3ahCLG2XQE22SEpQWdDgRj8n8Qic/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HtgEd4IweNmKBVO3ahCLG2XQE22SEpQWdDgRj8n8Qic/edit?usp=sharing Planet Report https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tP0J4vlX1pFaLWv7EsWvpKEcZzxH1M4Fqy4vNo59JiU/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyImlOiWGrZVCzm9Km-nVRmrveMDNRYd15IZ0UXyVhXzc3XOmFwkENuTAhhYhai_1pzkEUBbYe2j7s4JsfTpO9h_eHu-p3cNC_2CL5dv4FkZIEs1tcSI%3Dw1200-h630-p [06-Apr-25 04:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 As people requested, it includes the latest POPR data and amount of sites (infrastructure is currently included, but will change later) [06-Apr-25 04:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 And also the current running COGC [06-Apr-25 04:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it's already pre-filterted to Antares-only planets (based by sector) [06-Apr-25 04:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love to hear your feedback, if you find the data useful, what can be changed or added. [06-Apr-25 04:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm planning on updating the list daily and exposing it as a CSV endpoint {Reactions} โค๏ธ [06-Apr-25 04:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm heading to bed, so I'll read it tomorrow [06-Apr-25 04:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Planet Report [07-Apr-25 01:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I kinda expected more ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 01:23 AM] evov#0000 That looks great. Can I make a request for 2 additions to it? 1. Is there a way to sort by various columns? i.e. I want to look at just planets with a Chem cogc. 2. Is it possible to add the number of jumps from the ANT CX each planet is? My process (and I'd assume many people) when looking for a new base is like -> I know what industry Electronics/Chem etc I'm planning to build... I want to know which planets are available with the right CoGC and then filter by 3 factors - distances from the CX, planet properties (hot/cold etc), current pop. [07-Apr-25 01:27 AM] jab.sh#0000 I feel like prunplanner achieves all of that except pop [07-Apr-25 01:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It does. The planet search function already does basically that. The only additional features are, that this list can be used in your own spreadsheets... and we can adjust it as we like ^^ [07-Apr-25 01:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I specifically made it a table, so you can sort and filter by the views. You probably need to copy it into your own workspace to do so, but should definitively be doable. I will make a template sheet in the future with different filtered views to accommodate those needs - like a view grouped by COGC, uninhabited planets, planets on strike, a.s.o. This was more of a test to see if it's even possible and to get the first opinions. [07-Apr-25 01:34 AM] jab.sh#0000 of course, not trying to hate on your tool ๐Ÿ˜† was responding to Evo on that one [07-Apr-25 01:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It should be doable to get the jump distance to the CX. Have to look into that, tho [07-Apr-25 01:35 AM] jab.sh#0000 I mean if prunplanner can do it then surely you should be able to [07-Apr-25 01:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 No, I know. Before falling asleep I came to the same conclusion, that PrunPlanner basically already has a planet list ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 01:36 AM] jab.sh#0000 I don't know if I'd use it in my own spreadsheets but I see where this could be useful [07-Apr-25 01:36 AM] evov#0000 Historically, I've used fio to get this info. But. . . I find that sometimes the list is missing planets from it. https://fio.fnar.net/planetsearch?Rocky=true [07-Apr-25 01:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, I'm collecting the data from FIO with all it's flaws. So if the data is stale or incomplete, then obviously will be my list, too ๐Ÿ˜… That's unfortunately something we can't really work around as long as there isn't an official API [07-Apr-25 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I will look into a distance to CX field and prepare the template sheet. After that, I focus on other metrics I have in mind. If any of you want to see anything specific added, let me know ๐Ÿ™‚ [07-Apr-25 01:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 oh yeah ? where isit ??? [07-Apr-25 01:50 AM] realharvey#0000 googlesheets has a function that allows you to filter individually (just for you own view) [07-Apr-25 01:51 AM] evov#0000 I'd just have to copy it into my own sheet to do that though I'm guessing? [07-Apr-25 01:51 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358695767514284033/image.png?ex=6815144a&is=6813c2ca&hm=a73313a393625440a38a721bac4e83b45c07cf9aff313f3f35b2ea675f44deb2& [07-Apr-25 01:52 AM] realharvey#0000 no you can do that on the original [07-Apr-25 01:52 AM] realharvey#0000 My work decided to go the GoogleSuite route so I know such shit. ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 01:53 AM] evov#0000 Sweet. But if I'm being honest - the missing fio data was the only piece I was lacking [07-Apr-25 01:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 I do love that you show pop count. is open jobs something you can add? [07-Apr-25 02:03 AM] evov#0000 < copy pasted from fio website My issue is that there are planets that SHOULD be on the list but aren't. e.g. chem planets within 6 jumps of ANT cx - {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358698582332538993/image.png?ex=681516e9&is=6813c569&hm=8539bbdf50f8875741bfab86bcc6db6623eeec91d00c29e0ce942d32d6157a88& [07-Apr-25 02:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure can {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Apr-25 02:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Gonna look into that. [07-Apr-25 02:04 AM] evov#0000 These are the data points it can show {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358698831134326905/image.png?ex=68151724&is=6813c5a4&hm=cad8330f8def82e9a6fdd762df973a1ffb069b1abc33f92473dd4d80c5ccd2f0& [07-Apr-25 02:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I can include any of those points, too, if they are useful for the list ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 02:06 AM] evov#0000 I find the extra unemployed numbers to just be extra clutter for the most part. [07-Apr-25 02:09 AM] evov#0000 This is my issue with the data I get from the fio website - these IA-158a/b/c/e - all have active Cogc's, but it's not shown. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358700271492006049/image.png?ex=6815187c&is=6813c6fc&hm=d035cc015c1cf049b8993f8cddb9069c1e865397a63dcc556e606cc44b5118cc& [07-Apr-25 02:10 AM] evov#0000 The population numbers all look pretty right though. [07-Apr-25 02:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Then probably because nobody is tracking them. FIO data needs to be updated by the players via the browser extension. On every active planet the data should be updated regularly, as long as there is at least one player with the FIO extension enabled. [07-Apr-25 02:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 IA-158 is mostly inhabited by you, right? And you use exclusively the Steam version of the game ๐Ÿ˜… [07-Apr-25 02:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Those are sadly blind spots in the data we canโ€™t really address, since those are technical limitations. The only way to improve data quality is, if more players use the FIO extension and scrap more data ๐Ÿ˜… [07-Apr-25 02:18 AM] jab.sh#0000 or if the game opened up the api [07-Apr-25 02:20 AM] evov#0000 But it shows the population very well. Just not the cogc's. [07-Apr-25 02:22 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That would be ideal, and is confirmed by the devs, but wonโ€™t come in near future [07-Apr-25 02:23 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m sure what to tell you, pal. Some folks from the FIO team might be able to tell you more, but if the POPR is there, then somebody might have looked at that, but not the COGC, dunno [07-Apr-25 02:24 AM] evov#0000 Well, if you find a good way to get all the data, including the missing fio data, you have my attention ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [07-Apr-25 02:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The โ€œPlanet Searchโ€ function in PrunPlanner shows you basically all the details this list does and can be filtered. [07-Apr-25 02:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The only way is to go through every planet and click them once ๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 02:27 AM] jab.sh#0000 you just need a screen with every planet's popr and cogc ๐Ÿ˜‰ [07-Apr-25 02:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 286 planetsโ€ฆ should be easy enough ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜‚ [07-Apr-25 02:59 AM] jcheung#0000 man. the lag on loading that is probably terrible [07-Apr-25 03:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They seem to have some difficulties after the update [07-Apr-25 03:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ship inventories seem to be broken [07-Apr-25 03:10 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1358715656949862410/image.png?ex=68147e10&is=68132c90&hm=a5d697393a6a8e7659e11e85398e5e63017c7eb68fca9d8165477617f42c7977& [07-Apr-25 04:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I can keep track of every chat, ok?! ๐Ÿ˜‚ [08-Apr-25 05:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 This might be not that bad of an idea. I just need to scrape those planets, where we have coverage issues (like IA-158). @evov I'm going to collect the data for those planets manually, so they appear in all FIO-based lists. If you find any other blackspots, let me know. [08-Apr-25 05:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm currently not including the farlands of Antares (OWE, MG, WR, CG, EW, AU, etc.). Do you think they should be included in an Antares list, or are they not relevant for that? [08-Apr-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 most of them are really far out and are completely uninhabited [08-Apr-25 05:58 AM] evov#0000 I think only planets with an active CoGC / Gov are relevant. There's plenty of tools available to look for planets where you don't care about their populations/cogc's etc [08-Apr-25 06:00 AM] magican1980#0000 I agree, but for my new LAB Base I needed Seddler / Technicans - so I had to look, where I can find a chem Planet with enough people. At least I found Origio. [08-Apr-25 06:55 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Makes sense [08-Apr-25 01:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Alright, next version is now available ๐Ÿ™‚ - I added the requested features: current open jobs, pop diffrence to last POPR and distance to CX - The CSV file is now publicly available and can be imported into any sheet: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ebitkov/fio-extension/refs/heads/main/csv/planets/antares.csv - I updated the Google Sheet document to import the CSV file and added a few views: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HtgEd4IweNmKBVO3ahCLG2XQE22SEpQWdDgRj8n8Qic/edit?usp=sharing @evov as already mentioned, there isn't a good way atm to ensure full data coverage. Therefore, I will manually load in the data from IA-151 and IA-158. If you miss any other data, let me know. As always, I'm curious about what you think ^^ {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HtgEd4IweNmKBVO3ahCLG2XQE22SEpQWdDgRj8n8Qic/edit?usp=sharing Planet Report https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Mtgr0u_sN79FTeFOIZdGDX9F_Jbi9d8-IMGfMSk29hg/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyK_csEwsCpKD8HGP1BeGswFh5iFb83fn3eKJNBEg--ElXgTe8dH2oj6cKcPoxEdbjBvqyEhL85SaC6I_5i3jxfEmlsYO0LnDfDXNpPnxElasOS1Kp5E%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) ๐Ÿ‰ โค๏ธ [08-Apr-25 11:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 that looks so good [08-Apr-25 11:30 PM] vanarazor#0000 I think for the uninhabited tab, I'd rather have the mats % available for extraction. anything else would be suited best for production [08-Apr-25 11:32 PM] vanarazor#0000 and why not having the % of mats for for the COGC tab as well, sometimes it might be the right fit on one planet to have a hybrid production/extraction despite the COGC [08-Apr-25 11:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 then since you have the pop available you can narrow it down even easier. Icing on a already very tasty piece of cake [09-Apr-25 04:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Had the same idea when setting up the tables. Iโ€™m a bit worried the table might get overcrowded ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Apr-25 02:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Alright, enough of the planets for now. Another piece of the Antares Economy Report is the Population Consumption Index, which displays the costs of a single worker per day. [09-Apr-25 02:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359615135005671535/image.png?ex=68147804&is=68132684&hm=c40505f5dd7f21a542b27058f3ce27932989ddf8c82982ce6b50baa3dbbc7e22& [09-Apr-25 02:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 This is just a test with the data of the last week. I would obviously generate them over a longer period. I think they can give an overall impression of the current inflation rate [09-Apr-25 02:46 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The fact, that engineers and scientists are so much more expensive make the graph a bit ugly [09-Apr-25 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, dependant to that, I think Iโ€™m going to add a total population graph in the region into the mix, so the correlation of โ€œmore SCI in the regionโ€ and โ€œmore expensive SCI in the regionโ€ is clearer [09-Apr-25 02:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 logarithmic might be better? [09-Apr-25 02:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m not a mathematician, nor a studied programmer, so you might need to tell me what you mean ๐Ÿ˜… [09-Apr-25 02:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 make the y axis scale logarithmic (1, 10, 100, 1000) instead of linear [09-Apr-25 02:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Ah, I see [09-Apr-25 02:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 -# itโ€™s just a checkbox in the graph options ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ™ˆ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Apr-25 02:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, looks definitely better [09-Apr-25 02:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 excellent [09-Apr-25 02:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I actually excepted more movement, but workforce costs are quite stable, except maybe SCI atm ๐Ÿค” [09-Apr-25 02:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Weโ€™ll see how it looks at the end of the month, wenn I have more data points [09-Apr-25 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 wonder how difficult it would be to add in taxes [09-Apr-25 04:29 PM] jcheung#0000 but i guess that changes a lot based on planet [10-Apr-25 12:20 AM] razenpok#0000 I can provide daily material prices for the past 8 months if you tell me your data format [10-Apr-25 01:01 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, they mostly depend on the planet. They also wouldnโ€™t make much of a difference. [10-Apr-25 01:02 AM] jcheung#0000 sci would bump up a few points [10-Apr-25 01:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I basically just take a daily copy of /csv/prices and name them by the day they were made [10-Apr-25 01:08 AM] razenpok#0000 Taxes are applied to production orders, not to pops. A 4h order in a 40 PIO building costs the same as 4h order in a 400 PIO building [10-Apr-25 01:09 AM] razenpok#0000 Do you manually feed them into your chart? [10-Apr-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have a script, which takes the prices of a specific day, checks the price for the consumables and calculates the price for 100 pop. This is then saved to a CSV. The data for the PCI is public - I could send you the link. The aggregator script isnโ€™t, tho ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [10-Apr-25 01:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s overall automated and runs on GitHub Actions {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [10-Apr-25 03:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 teach me [10-Apr-25 03:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Uh, smart with the time zone in the name [10-Apr-25 03:33 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fuckin-send-it-rag-dolled-wasted-gif-9565478 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fuckin-send-it-rag-dolled-wasted-gif-9565478 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-g6ALFMnGRHY5CmW3uflF_D5ywppgDFqkVuH8ZjgxIs/https/media.tenor.com/TkqrOdHYvNMAAAAe/fuckin-send-it-rag-dolled.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [10-Apr-25 03:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 GitHub.com/ebitkov/fio-extension {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Apr-25 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thats the public repo for the CSV files. The automation isnโ€™t configured correctly, but will come soon [10-Apr-25 03:34 AM] razenpok#0000 What's the formula for the columns? [10-Apr-25 03:35 AM] razenpok#0000 Or wait, if I generate csv files for days, will your script process them? [10-Apr-25 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yes, I can feed them into the command [10-Apr-25 03:36 AM] razenpok#0000 How should I name the files? [10-Apr-25 03:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My pattern is Y-m-d-H-i.csv, since i take a snapshot every 6 hours [10-Apr-25 03:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But only the date part is relevant for the script [10-Apr-25 03:38 AM] razenpok#0000 Ah, ok, can you send one csv file as an example? [10-Apr-25 03:39 AM] razenpok#0000 Why do you take them every 6 hours then :waitwhat: [10-Apr-25 03:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s really just a carbon copy of /csv/prices from FIO ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} carbon [10-Apr-25 03:39 AM] razenpok#0000 I mean, I need an example of a file name :blobthink: [10-Apr-25 03:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just to average price spikes, if somebody decides to empty out the MEA market again [10-Apr-25 03:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Oh, sorry, sure [10-Apr-25 03:40 AM] razenpok#0000 Ahh, so your script takes four csv files for a date and averages between them? [10-Apr-25 03:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359810568210354216/image.png?ex=68148547&is=681333c7&hm=6904255529a966d258d6de35c4e181df37296ef78eeba52e8214c156010b097a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Basically. It takes the required consumables per pop tier, checks the prices in every available price file of the day, averages them out, and uses the sum of all consumables as the data point {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Apr-25 03:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I use the ask price for my calculations - that might be an important detail, too [10-Apr-25 03:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The 4 files are just a safety measure, but a single one is technically sufficient [10-Apr-25 04:43 AM] razenpok#0000 Converter goes brrrrr {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359826125504643132/Screen_Recording_2025-04-10_at_11.42.54.mov?ex=681493c4&is=68134244&hm=f7466aa8e51e61059287d570232cfb20f38afda1390295e32c80e4fdb962c34d& [10-Apr-25 04:46 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359826793959522344/cx-price-history.zip?ex=68149464&is=681342e4&hm=7d3e8a728fd6318eb81137eace6cd78e5e77c7218111cbf2e1c19cb8e6794760& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [10-Apr-25 04:48 AM] razenpok#0000 By the end of it it repeats your data, so remove unneeded files first [10-Apr-25 04:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Gonna import it later ๐Ÿ˜˜ {Reactions} blobheart [10-Apr-25 10:56 AM] razenpok#0000 Hurry up ๐Ÿ˜ฌ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359919867062653048/image.png?ex=6814eb12&is=68139992&hm=e74c398d069d5aae251611d4be1289361f34e12b1d3f1c2253f07cdaf8957497& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (2) ๐Ÿ˜ฑ (2) ๐Ÿฅธ (2) ๐Ÿ’€ [10-Apr-25 11:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 damn, thats quite a lot of data [10-Apr-25 11:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 back to July 2024? [10-Apr-25 11:09 AM] razenpok#0000 Yep [10-Apr-25 11:09 AM] razenpok#0000 That's when I started working on rprun [10-Apr-25 11:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 well, sending my script over it - might take a bit {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [10-Apr-25 11:11 AM] razenpok#0000 My git repo for price data is 750 MB already :dread: https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prices {Embed} https://github.com/refined-prun/refined-prices GitHub - refined-prun/refined-prices Contribute to refined-prun/refined-prices development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-BLx50_6_PRmitrkxvEmwCa0BL3SONHYr87NMr7cVy4/https/opengraph.githubassets.com/5108ce51b5352d224d9c4a4fe82738657e78bf734d406bb1718c9d6e1e6713ab/refined-prun/refined-prices [10-Apr-25 11:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 processing speed is roughly a day per second, so should be done in like 5 mins {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 compression! [10-Apr-25 11:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ebitkov/fio-extension/refs/heads/main/csv/population-consumption-index/AI1.csv [10-Apr-25 11:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 here you go. Don't have time to make a pretty graph {Reactions} pog [10-Apr-25 11:57 AM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1359935458179678409/image.png?ex=6814f997&is=6813a817&hm=7b3a603c90f3d19c88b9828a0579d17e508c4ed1629c30659dd66ce204b7682f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (3) [10-Apr-25 11:58 AM] razenpok#0000 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3O9bcOvEeEnNBeLFfA9jq8BZgPuGxvMQvSHhM0zaJs/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3O9bcOvEeEnNBeLFfA9jq8BZgPuGxvMQvSHhM0zaJs/edit?usp=sharing AI1 Pop Cost https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2QeboWwX7QCD2R1jk8PK8SexT2ZYpM-yUMPsePEZ1Pg/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyJULtmpG22QCf5nPtzDppW5smt6AhiEXsZQqoF7FdzJnWrBMEG0Y6esgP9XGJLn2K7UuAL_XBnaZjv5emqy1wR6e7o3zkRfusRpxzGA_zea5oSBQVw%3Dw1200-h630-p [10-Apr-25 02:45 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That last spike is scary [10-Apr-25 02:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That data is actually less exciting the I hoped it would be :/ [10-Apr-25 02:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But itโ€™s an important data point nonetheless [10-Apr-25 03:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 to be fair, it's a _little_ exciting to see all those jumps on a log scale. looks like ENG costs have basically doubled since the beginning of this data [10-Apr-25 03:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I put together a sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TldTCpqeFSdPKbMz7fV7QXBth4b8y1yvZnouotzGqBE/edit?usp=sharing - it describes what it shows - you can define a timeframe - it calculates the increase in the named timeframe {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TldTCpqeFSdPKbMz7fV7QXBth4b8y1yvZnouotzGqBE/edit?usp=sharing Population Consumption Index https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MISpeNU0ITAv520YDhq5il9yA_ZVrOUSUSoUWCTT7Y8/https/lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docs/AHkbwyLKHKox6ro8eu0XB6_2-7EoZQvZecOI0s_TUS5GtEYlvdll6yCmwZpld1-BwR8fMdut_wGrD1Ba_-ZE7GLROG2r-TSzTHWO_rETntI7hvS7GF57-gxR%3Dw1200-h630-p {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [10-Apr-25 03:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 As many already know (but now we have analytical evidence), the increase of workforce costs aren't linear. In the last 3 months, pioneers got about 2.2 % more expensive, while scientists increased by over 76% {Reactions} givelove [10-Apr-25 03:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 also, the price difference between technicians and engineers is absurd [10-Apr-25 03:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 settlers increased by roughly 8% technicians actually became cheaper by 1.6% and engineers increased by roundabout 34% [10-Apr-25 03:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Next, I'll tackle the overall population growth in the region by workforce type [10-Apr-25 03:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Should be easy enough, since I already process the POPR for the planet list [10-Apr-25 03:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 is there a desire to reduce these costs? [10-Apr-25 03:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 or is this just fun data at this point [10-Apr-25 03:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 everyone gets mad when I suggest reducing costs ๐Ÿ˜† [10-Apr-25 03:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 at this point, I'm just collecting information for a monthly regional economic report [10-Apr-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t think it would hurt to reduce costs for ENG and SCI [10-Apr-25 03:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Personally [10-Apr-25 03:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 PIO, SET and TEC seems to be very stable [10-Apr-25 04:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 cheaper workforce costs make every other product they produce cheaper [10-Apr-25 04:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but at the end, the market is dictated by profit,so idk [10-Apr-25 04:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's what I'm thinking, but then people get up in arms when I suggest making RATs cheaper for example ๐Ÿคท [10-Apr-25 04:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I think to make an measurable diffrence, you would need to reduce all of the consumables at the same time - at least for the lower tiers [10-Apr-25 04:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 and I'd almost replace "cheaper" with "more profitable" in your message [10-Apr-25 04:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 although given enough people and market pressure, that will turn into cheaper over time {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [10-Apr-25 04:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 unless there's price fixing ๐Ÿ˜† [10-Apr-25 04:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, I'm personally happy to see ENG and SCI get more expensive, cause that's more money in the pockets of us consumable producers ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Apr-25 04:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 so long as they're still profitable (and it seems like they are), there's probably not an issue [10-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 it's the old money dance - something is rare and desired, so it's profitable, everybody starts to make it, suddenly there's too much of it and prices fall [10-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 happens all the time [10-Apr-25 04:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 lots of that happening recently too, which I welcome. I feel like this is the most engaging the markets have been since I joined [10-Apr-25 04:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 though I can appreciate that's probably stressful for newer players ๐Ÿ˜„ [10-Apr-25 04:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I just suck at economics but I am surprised that stable markets that everyone outside of giant empires needs to buy or sell into (like pop consumables or building mats) fluctuate so much [10-Apr-25 04:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 if they change the MM prices, it will be an even wilder ride {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ (2) [10-Apr-25 04:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'd love to see dynamic MMs [10-Apr-25 04:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 not enough players {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [10-Apr-25 04:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 I know that'll probably never happen though [10-Apr-25 04:07 PM] pxlfox.#0000 markets are too thin and therefore receptable for manipulation or demand spikes [10-Apr-25 04:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [10-Apr-25 04:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 we have roundabout 300 active players at the same time - let it be at best 600 overall. All spread about 4 regions with there own markets and a lot of industries [10-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 and 276 in this discord (granted a lot of them are inactive/quit) [10-Apr-25 04:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 sometimes I think things would be more interesting if we had one big happy CX. but only if it was Antares Station {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [10-Apr-25 04:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 make Antares great again! [10-Apr-25 04:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 Antares was always great ๐Ÿ˜Ž [10-Apr-25 04:10 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Always will be [10-Apr-25 04:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 how do we make it greater [10-Apr-25 04:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 you can clearly see how sensitive the markets are, when whales like Rise, Paris or Fire leave the game {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [10-Apr-25 04:11 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I can't imagine what will happen, when Evo goes :dread: [10-Apr-25 04:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 It kinda makes me wonder what the distribution of bases per player is across the game [10-Apr-25 04:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I hope the economic report will help there a bit. At least to make regional adjustments where needed or detect trends ahead. But we'll see {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Apr-25 04:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Information is power and such [10-Apr-25 04:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 The overall vision I have is to generate a monthly report about all the regional developments - markets, production, population, planets, bases, etc. [10-Apr-25 04:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yapt shows this yeah? [10-Apr-25 04:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think itโ€™s fine to lower MEA and FIM [10-Apr-25 04:33 PM] vanarazor#0000 Consumables should have a perishable property [10-Apr-25 04:34 PM] vanarazor#0000 So i would be forced to sell my MEA x>)that I have no use for yet [10-Apr-25 04:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [10-Apr-25 04:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s really data intensive [10-Apr-25 04:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Now you need a data point for the millions of food perishables [10-Apr-25 04:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 https://tenor.com/view/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif-gif-6202351048420329284 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif-gif-6202351048420329284 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wDU-0fTUjWTW4UVYkzUSeELtXTS5uemLzZZOc55ggjg/https/media.tenor.com/VhMtasVdh0QAAAAe/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif.png [10-Apr-25 04:58 PM] sidepipe#0000 me when half my FIM rots on the way to the CX [10-Apr-25 05:03 PM] moke.#0000 Don't forget losses from rodents too [10-Apr-25 06:05 PM] tanda#0000 We fix costs for ENG and SCI by getting IDC fixed to not be the "end all be all" of profit generation {Reactions} RSZeroShrugIDK ๐Ÿง  [10-Apr-25 10:58 PM] finestone#0000 All my homies hate IDC [11-Apr-25 07:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 I need a new base Idea [11-Apr-25 07:37 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im about to set up my heph PSS/M/L base, PG base was earlier this week aswell, now I have a free permit and enough cash to do anything basically. [11-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either extend vertically [11-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or look for something the market needs [11-Apr-25 07:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or check whatโ€™s profitable atm [11-Apr-25 07:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Or setup another IDC farm [11-Apr-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Nothing wrong with doing the same base multiple times [11-Apr-25 08:08 AM] laaxus#0000 I have 3 CL bases and 2 EPO bases [11-Apr-25 08:09 AM] tanda#0000 Nix on the IDC, MEA is too volatile [11-Apr-25 08:09 AM] laaxus#0000 For the love of god, don't invest in idc right now [11-Apr-25 08:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 I was thinking about a couple of preliminary ideas: - Metallurgy base to allow for a bunch of new things, nothing specific yet so idk. - Construction base on a triple green planet and make some UPFs to make some things :D - FEO base on SE-110d, just to use more of my STL ships and make use of the system where I already have so much stuff [11-Apr-25 08:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 What sorts of things do you do right now? Maybe one of those makes more sense considering your current bases [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 You could Always make another FP base [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 It'll Never be bad [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im making HER, FIM, CL, NA, HAL, H2O, and bit of COF [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 How many CL base do you have ? [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 just one, and its not running properly yet [11-Apr-25 08:29 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, more CL is always an easy choice esp since you make HAL and H2O [11-Apr-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 You could make another [11-Apr-25 08:30 AM] sidepipe#0000 Or you can try to get ahead of the KOM craze if you have enough HER [11-Apr-25 08:30 AM] laaxus#0000 It's one of the most profitable base you Can make [11-Apr-25 08:30 AM] pagy1234#0000 im already on a HER deficit because of FIM, so prolly not [11-Apr-25 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 And one HAL base on Halcyon produce more than enough for 2 CL bases [11-Apr-25 08:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 rly? my electronica base will probably only make about 90k once its running fully [11-Apr-25 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Again [11-Apr-25 08:31 AM] laaxus#0000 And again [11-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Stop thinking in terms of profit per permit [11-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Unless you're hq 20+ [11-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Look into the roi [11-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 That's where the profit lies [11-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 And yes, CL is overly profitable [11-Apr-25 08:33 AM] pagy1234#0000 alr [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 CL isnโ€™t a bad choice. And if you want to do more interesting chemistry things later, you can convert the base to LABs and keep the experts - thatโ€™s how I managed to get DDT going so quickly ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 Where do you have your chem bases so far? [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 What do you mean not a Bad choice [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 It's one of the best choice one Can make atm [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] laaxus#0000 If not the best [11-Apr-25 08:35 AM] sidepipe#0000 Which is by definition not bad ๐Ÿ˜› [11-Apr-25 08:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 electronica [11-Apr-25 08:36 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes but still [11-Apr-25 08:36 AM] magican1980#0000 if you have CL you can make a LAB Base fรผr DDT ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Apr-25 08:36 AM] sidepipe#0000 Come make CL on Griffonstone! [11-Apr-25 08:37 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s cheap and I think itโ€™s reasonably close to halcyon as well [11-Apr-25 08:37 AM] laaxus#0000 You Can make a cl base on Griffon origo ki-840c electronica and yk-266d (I believe) [11-Apr-25 08:37 AM] magican1980#0000 and my Base on Griffonstone is busy making (with 5 experts) to make CL and I hope to get the people for my lab at origo for DDT [11-Apr-25 08:37 AM] laaxus#0000 I have m'y cl bases on electronica griffon and yk-266d [11-Apr-25 08:38 AM] laaxus#0000 Despite being so profitable, CL Price still continue to rise [11-Apr-25 08:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 because none of us DDT producers want to spend another permit on it ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Apr-25 08:39 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m running net -30 a day which isnโ€™t bad, but I think thereโ€™s a few people who started LABs and dont make any of their own CL [11-Apr-25 08:40 AM] magican1980#0000 I can go for another lab-Base or make more CL [11-Apr-25 08:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh right PG is also on chem planet, yeah so next chem base will have to be on a red planet [11-Apr-25 08:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 D: [11-Apr-25 08:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 I have POL base on Griff [11-Apr-25 08:42 AM] sidepipe#0000 Origo is probably a good next choice then [11-Apr-25 09:06 AM] magican1980#0000 which planet is also a good Lab-Base? Origo is my first [11-Apr-25 09:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think griff and origo are the best choices for LABs, they have the most established populations afaik. You could change your griff base to LABs and move your CL work to one of the other planets like electronica etc [11-Apr-25 09:14 AM] sidepipe#0000 But check the popr before you do anything - I know some planets have been having shortages [11-Apr-25 09:15 AM] magican1980#0000 Yes, this has I dont to find Origo for Technicans [11-Apr-25 09:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 I see [11-Apr-25 09:16 AM] pagy1234#0000 will try some plans in the planner [11-Apr-25 09:17 AM] magican1980#0000 If you have 3 Permits, look for 1 HAL Extruder and 2 CL-Bases [11-Apr-25 09:19 AM] magican1980#0000 The next thing, what I need to do is to reduce my Carbon production ๐Ÿ˜ฆ with a lot changes [11-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 already have one hal and one CL [11-Apr-25 09:22 AM] pagy1234#0000 so just 1 cl I guess [11-Apr-25 09:23 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, it should be burn your complete hal production [11-Apr-25 09:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 dude HQ levels are weird ay: > 12 -> 13 is 90 K > 13 -> 14 is 1KK > 14 -> 15 is 1.4 KK > 15-> 16 is 90 K > 16->17 is 1.6KK > 17 -> 18 is 180K > 18-19 is 3.3 KK > 19 -20 is 400K > 20-21 is 7KK > > jesus.. [11-Apr-25 09:34 PM] tanda#0000 you'll learn to love those cheaper levels, because eventually they stop {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ [11-Apr-25 09:43 PM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1360445098629796002/image.png?ex=6814d9fb&is=6813887b&hm=7da6d5a429153c5dd896de2e105ac724634aa139c35f39add3d144c932c04111& [11-Apr-25 09:43 PM] vanarazor#0000 jeses [11-Apr-25 09:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/gasp-shock-screaming-scared-omg-gif-25497787 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/gasp-shock-screaming-scared-omg-gif-25497787 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2Uk8zQSRVCP6kMjjJZWKolY67FjsYXAg4WjfrKU9h0k/https/media.tenor.com/c7RjcQEDsGIAAAAe/gasp-shock.png [11-Apr-25 09:44 PM] evov#0000 On the bright side, the upgrades are a lot less weird after 20. So you've got consistency to look forward to ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [11-Apr-25 09:45 PM] vanarazor#0000 yes indeed, I feel reassured [11-Apr-25 09:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-meme-gif-6045771435171263858 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-meme-gif-6045771435171263858 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HIBnMnswGifbySpnfRoPXVGHGZZFe_hFqgpv2c227zw/https/media.tenor.com/U-blFqKWNXIAAAAe/imagination-spongebob.png [11-Apr-25 09:46 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-dog-fine-dog-fire-meme-gif-16250404 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-dog-fine-dog-fire-meme-gif-16250404 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EJje96iLMG9Uo6iZNdC0RNbFgUZs_zN5TY0t3RAoNJ0/https/media.tenor.com/5ety3Lx3QccAAAAe/its-fine-dog-fine.png [11-Apr-25 10:40 PM] manhim#0000 Yeah, I'm about to hit 20 ๐Ÿ˜… I expect things to slow down once I get there {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [12-Apr-25 04:36 AM] vanarazor#0000 what do you think about this : https://prunplanner.org/shared/8b138371-c6ec-4fa2-94d2-fd451df2dbe4 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/8b138371-c6ec-4fa2-94d2-fd451df2dbe4 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [12-Apr-25 04:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 The idea started with the goal of providing some SOI to the market, but a 500 area ORC base only needs 13 SOI so I tried to diversify the CHP production on this base [12-Apr-25 04:40 AM] vanarazor#0000 but probably DDT production would suit the market better , ORC base ROI is 33d, probably becasue DT is so expensive and Fermenter producer have vertically integraed their ORC [12-Apr-25 04:49 AM] realharvey#0000 can you handle the daily costs of 198k for the inputs? [12-Apr-25 04:52 AM] vanarazor#0000 160k for prod but produce HER CLI and HALwhich drops down to 114k 30K for consumables but I produce everything but KOM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1360553184107429948/image.png?ex=681495e4&is=68134464&hm=fab1804279065e8465f1f53d7770a00242db5fa1fddb6ae39413577ebc938097& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1360553184606683156/image.png?ex=681495e5&is=68134465&hm=a984f7b4f52720d046c6c60066af5cf7b1f9a2ee4183edff4d34023ec064b234& [12-Apr-25 04:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 which 120Kd which seems doable yeah [12-Apr-25 04:53 AM] vanarazor#0000 but would probably just drop LIFE first : https://prunplanner.org/shared/269cec86-ff78-4f57-a461-b2a191467138 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/269cec86-ff78-4f57-a461-b2a191467138 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [12-Apr-25 04:53 AM] realharvey#0000 you could remove some other expensive recipes for the start maybe until you have the cashflow from that base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [12-Apr-25 04:54 AM] vanarazor#0000 mm good point [12-Apr-25 04:55 AM] vanarazor#0000 I wish pr plan would add a base construction cost in the empire tab [12-Apr-25 04:56 AM] vanarazor#0000 I could probably just do a 17 CHP CL/NA ay [12-Apr-25 04:59 AM] realharvey#0000 and you can always diversify that base later [12-Apr-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm thinking about creating an ADI corporation [12-Apr-25 07:54 AM] laaxus#0000 With the headquarter on norwick [12-Apr-25 08:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 is there no corporation for ADI already? [12-Apr-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 There's CULT [12-Apr-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 But I want an ADI tag [12-Apr-25 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 And a norwick headquarter [12-Apr-25 08:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 That would be very useful I would think [12-Apr-25 08:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 most people have a base on Norwick, and with all the consumables craze it would really be a good help [12-Apr-25 02:35 PM] laaxus#0000 @jvaler opinion on this ? [12-Apr-25 02:43 PM] jvaler#0000 got no issue with it, i'd like to have an ADI tag too [12-Apr-25 02:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Where do you plan on making hq? [12-Apr-25 03:06 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1192951755462410271/1360603094827929791 [12-Apr-25 03:07 PM] jcheung#0000 Ah [13-Apr-25 02:38 AM] laaxus#0000 Hey guys, could you please check if your post in #bulletin-board is still relevant and accurate ? Thank you @jvaler @riseoffilth @spermatozoon_saloon @finestone @sobyshka @flor2081 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘Œ (2) ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Apr-25 02:39 AM] jvaler#0000 tyty totally forgot about that one {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Apr-25 03:47 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-cave-of-wonders-who-disturbs-my-slumber-big-cat-gif-15741041 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-cave-of-wonders-who-disturbs-my-slumber-big-cat-gif-15741041 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CFONNsHC2sE3ek4DH3IG1rkYmkKA7iH-TUjOIUM3LHM/https/media.tenor.com/FgvIF2aJIJYAAAAe/aladdin-cave-of-wonders.png [13-Apr-25 04:20 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :ScaredSonic: [13-Apr-25 09:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 anyone know what's up with Calypso? they haven't picked up my shipment [13-Apr-25 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 they wait until their ship lands to pick it up, how close are they cutting it [13-Apr-25 09:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 it's been 12 days ๐Ÿคท [13-Apr-25 09:21 PM] jab.sh#0000 20 day contract though [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't actually care, it's just weird [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] manhim#0000 20 days contract is just inviting people to ship at the 20th day xD [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 wow, they've left you hanging for 12 days? [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 I guess I do care in the sense that it's still taking space ๐Ÿ˜„ [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] tanda#0000 I mean if you're talking about it, you care about it [13-Apr-25 09:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 more curiosity [13-Apr-25 09:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 but fair [13-Apr-25 09:23 PM] manhim#0000 He shipped all the shipments I had with him {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Apr-25 09:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe he's doing mine last since I gave him more time [13-Apr-25 09:23 PM] manhim#0000 Most likely banking it for when he runs out of contracts [14-Apr-25 02:02 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I found the richest FEO planet in ANT space (WU-013c), but it's undeveloped and would need at least 2 WCB full time, to ship out all of the ore ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-25 02:06 AM] laaxus#0000 a FEO planet requires a metallurgy planet to be useful [14-Apr-25 02:07 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thalassa d has a rich FEO deposit and resource extraction COGC [14-Apr-25 02:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and SE-648 a to smelt it (2 jumps) [14-Apr-25 02:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 4 jumps back from there to ANT [14-Apr-25 02:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but the environmental costs make it not really profitable for a simple SME base [14-Apr-25 07:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 How close is Hyalos? I think thatโ€™s a metallurgy planet [14-Apr-25 07:48 AM] sidepipe#0000 I believe itโ€™s in the WU sector as wel [14-Apr-25 08:51 AM] akyantor#0000 It is.. though more commonly used for glass products due to the SIO avaialble on site. That said, could be a pure smelter if there's a suitable ore source nearby. [14-Apr-25 09:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hyalos is just one jump over, so a good candidate for smelting [14-Apr-25 09:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 A full ext base there can extract 1,173 FEO per day - thatโ€™s nearly 4 full SME bases [14-Apr-25 09:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Probably around 3 FE and 1 STL base [14-Apr-25 09:28 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But tripple red makes it basically only viable for PIO, maybe SET at max [14-Apr-25 09:40 AM] realharvey#0000 isn't tripple red worse for lower tier pop? Or am I thinking this wrong? Higher tier pop products usually have higher revenue numbers which negate higher repair/building costs [14-Apr-25 10:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Normally, yes [14-Apr-25 10:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But WU-013c is a) - an undeveloped world, which would make it way more expansive to build the infrastructure for higher pop tiers, and b) - has absurd yields, which are high enough to offset the higher building requirements. [14-Apr-25 10:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But making the planet viable for a PIO extraction site is just doable [14-Apr-25 10:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I talked with EvoV about it - might take roughly 2-3 mil to setup the most basic infrastructure [14-Apr-25 10:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Another 1.5 mil for the base, if I remember correctly [14-Apr-25 10:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But the base would output over 100k profit a day with the FEO price at 140, which is really good for an extraction base [14-Apr-25 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love to establish that planet eventually, but as discussed in https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249178156089374/1361249012820217939, market doesnโ€™t need that much of FE atm. Tho I didnโ€™t looked at the upcoming MM remix, so maybe there are opportunities hidden somewhereโ€ฆ [14-Apr-25 10:48 AM] realharvey#0000 I do believe FEO is smelted mostly onsite into FE and then into Steel, to reduce the insane shipping demand [14-Apr-25 10:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yep - Vulcan is already a basically perfect FE/STL base [14-Apr-25 10:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 With metals, you want to be as close to CX (or consumption site) as possible because of the mentioned higher shipping requirements [14-Apr-25 10:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Ores are kinda doable, tho. They arenโ€™t as heavy as the metals themselves and donโ€™t require additional inputs, so itโ€™s often fine to extract them a few jumps away [14-Apr-25 10:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But the more yield a planet has, the more challenging itโ€™s getting to transport all of it. The best planets often require multiple ships full time to transport all of it [14-Apr-25 10:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But can also support multiple smelting bases [14-Apr-25 10:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And yes, especially if you donโ€™t need too much of it, on-side production and consumption is often preferred [14-Apr-25 10:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think smelters could benefit from additional logistic services. People would be more willing to buy from you, if you deliver the metals, too [14-Apr-25 11:00 AM] realharvey#0000 lol you could get 1173 FEO out of that planet per day which needs 2 HCB's to handle [14-Apr-25 11:00 AM] realharvey#0000 and not even all CX combined have that much traded feo [14-Apr-25 11:00 AM] realharvey#0000 I tried to run a Ext + SME operation there aswell in prunplanner. Unfortunetely not really satisfying [14-Apr-25 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 LMAO {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361381121203372222/image.png?ex=6814f5f8&is=6813a478&hm=42bcc2a97e9f744bf2fc6c5b2ba0e1fbbbc7504b84a1846efd3c9995c121959d& [14-Apr-25 11:42 AM] laaxus#0000 I had 1 thousand RBH sitting at 16.5k [14-Apr-25 11:43 AM] laaxus#0000 and the INSTANT I move them to another cx, there's finally demand for it at ant {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Apr-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 IDC vent anger here [14-Apr-25 12:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 Tbh Iโ€™m happy that I have a solid financial motive to make stuff like AIR or LOG now {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (3) [14-Apr-25 12:41 PM] realharvey#0000 I am more angry about it sparking another Taxes discussion on Phobos {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ (4) [14-Apr-25 12:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 Mast3rdemon is just like that [14-Apr-25 12:41 PM] sidepipe#0000 We had the same song and dance on Malahat a while ago [14-Apr-25 12:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 Basically word for word what was said here plus allegations of stealing [14-Apr-25 12:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sometimes I wish OOG was as evil, organized, and shadowy as some folks seem to think we are ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-25 12:42 PM] jcheung#0000 i mean i'm not actually angry at IDC nerf [14-Apr-25 12:43 PM] jcheung#0000 but i know there's probably a lot of people with new bases that haven't paid off which are going to be hurting [14-Apr-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't worry, I'm gonna make the other side of that coin The ADI corp, looking kind and gentle, but is actually a plan to take over the universe {Reactions} danceboi [14-Apr-25 12:48 PM] realharvey#0000 I wouldn't even care if people make money with governing. It's super annoying to deal with all those things {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [14-Apr-25 12:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *Makes a business supplying governance supplies* [14-Apr-25 12:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 *sells said supplies to the government that I run* [14-Apr-25 12:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Gov should be compensated for there real life time they spend managing some ungrateful bunch {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [14-Apr-25 01:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I doesnโ€™t need to be 100k per day [14-Apr-25 01:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Just a bit [14-Apr-25 01:00 PM] realharvey#0000 100k per das would be fine for me. Takess more time to manage a planet than a base [14-Apr-25 01:01 PM] marat_sh#0000 The only reason I donโ€™t run for gov just because how annoying it is to track and proof everythingโ€ฆ even for 200k I wouldnโ€™t do it [14-Apr-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't mind losing 5k per day on my base if it means the planet is well runned [14-Apr-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 even 10k {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Apr-25 01:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 Itโ€™s not about the race to 1Billion, itโ€™s about the journey [14-Apr-25 01:08 PM] realharvey#0000 Refined prun makes managing your base super easy. There is no such thing for govs. You need to check on new bases dropping, make your own timers for cogc and popi filling. Calculate wether immigration or festivities are needed for new bases etc. [14-Apr-25 01:08 PM] laaxus#0000 I forgot **AGAIN** to bring STO materials to halcyon [14-Apr-25 01:13 PM] realharvey#0000 just sell it to me on site when getting low on sto ๐Ÿ‘€ [14-Apr-25 01:13 PM] laaxus#0000 I want to turn my halcyon base into a trading hub [14-Apr-25 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze [14-Apr-25 01:24 PM] marat_sh#0000 it worth the squeeze, When I don't whole lot of time playing, I sell @laaxus my HAL on LM so it doesn't stop the extraction [14-Apr-25 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to make profit out of it [14-Apr-25 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 Compared to placing EXT in place of the STO? [14-Apr-25 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 10 is a lot [14-Apr-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I just think everybody would profit if halcyon becomes the selling point of hal [14-Apr-25 01:25 PM] laaxus#0000 and not the cx [14-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 but for people to get that habit, it requires reliable supply [14-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 I want to kickstart that [14-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 or at least try [14-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 if it doesn't work, I'll go back to producing hal [14-Apr-25 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not losing much [14-Apr-25 01:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 speaking of [14-Apr-25 01:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've got 4k HAL that I can give away [14-Apr-25 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361411576246042935/image.png?ex=68151255&is=6813c0d5&hm=99d5508677b3d616f8d70d556e04873848a79cd2eacacd1e0a97402c22ab1095& [14-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 however [14-Apr-25 01:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/work-pile-of-rocks-pile-of-work-umbrella-burried-gif-14483669 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/work-pile-of-rocks-pile-of-work-umbrella-burried-gif-14483669 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZpmzN2fHjt9lINjeV-m8jp51e-AGuskrFc9XB3qYARM/https/media.tenor.com/7Vh2QAReGfEAAAAe/work-pile-of-rocks.png [14-Apr-25 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361412043529257221/image.png?ex=681512c4&is=6813c144&hm=5abf17b31db3add65fa43a7e3f1514da7ee5cdbe070b1f9bcdd990b30eac873e& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [14-Apr-25 01:53 PM] realharvey#0000 gimme [14-Apr-25 01:54 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/morshu-gif-20839633 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/morshu-gif-20839633 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SSkgbY8_k6yij65tPxR3ynIRROxFN3ary3NgDGaDJ48/https/media.tenor.com/tEGGyyZeRxwAAAAe/morshu.png [14-Apr-25 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I've just picked up some HAL, I will have enough in 1.5h... Can you wait a bit? ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-25 02:11 PM] realharvey#0000 sure no worries [14-Apr-25 02:11 PM] realharvey#0000 I have to send some ships anyways {Reactions} โค๏ธ [14-Apr-25 02:12 PM] realharvey#0000 I am not lacking ships {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361418929611866242/image.png?ex=6815192e&is=6813c7ae&hm=e831c57fda660b8d7fb059deaa691111fffabe57ef4421b2bd550d32b18d8315& [14-Apr-25 02:29 PM] pxlfox.#0000 HER base incoming ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Apr-25 02:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 late to the trend, but better then never I guess [14-Apr-25 02:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Now time to check out the MM changes... [14-Apr-25 02:33 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361424103952879625/11_minutos_tarde_dembC3A9lC3A9.png?ex=68147540&is=681323c0&hm=a8bd83c26aaeefca87431cffa360efeecd7d5caa916219274e3874ef4db27c52& [14-Apr-25 02:35 PM] pxlfox.#0000 had other businesses to attend before, sorry ๐Ÿ™ƒ [14-Apr-25 02:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Honestly, whoever hates the changes to the MM doesn't want to play the game [14-Apr-25 02:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 checking plans with the new prices - they are damn good [14-Apr-25 02:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 so many new possibilities [14-Apr-25 02:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 May will be fun [14-Apr-25 03:01 PM] jcheung#0000 the part that confuses me are the ones that stay the same ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Apr-25 03:01 PM] jcheung#0000 why list them if they dont' change [14-Apr-25 03:01 PM] realharvey#0000 I guess a lot of people are close to being burned out from this game because some things are really tidious [14-Apr-25 03:01 PM] realharvey#0000 Being forced to replan a lot might just be the last drop to quit [14-Apr-25 03:02 PM] realharvey#0000 To say that: yeah we also took a look at this, but decided it was good {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [14-Apr-25 03:02 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bYyqm.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-brian-griffin-yeah-i-guess-i-guess-i-guess-so-gif-26785996 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cYCvu_c9fMUjf2aHSwy2VnXvoTR5XE_Q6OaYmgdeaVc/https/media.tenor.com/fAH-YBCzfM4AAAAe/family-guy-brian-griffin.png [14-Apr-25 03:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 CCD is bonkers [14-Apr-25 03:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 nearly 3 mil per day [14-Apr-25 03:20 PM] magican1980#0000 I can this understand. I have replaned my complete production for Carbon ... the prices are stagnant and a bit less, can give me a little more money ๐Ÿ™‚ On the other Side I can Invest in COF (it spiked in the last weeks) and look into a little Chemistry [14-Apr-25 03:20 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/ZnJA.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thor-are-you-sure-really-gif-12206896 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dJNTFOqUHAAxrT1GIiJ-DGt2aBPNYkRppdeJ-fcVyAo/https/media.tenor.com/TYc10YDGAwAAAAAe/thor-are.png [14-Apr-25 03:20 PM] jcheung#0000 3m seems a bit high [14-Apr-25 03:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I just threw the new prices into PP - some things might be scewed due to missing CX data [14-Apr-25 03:22 PM] jcheung#0000 DCH probably [14-Apr-25 03:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm testing every of them first and then check them more thoroughly later [14-Apr-25 03:22 PM] jcheung#0000 well, BSC also doesn't have anyone selling, but has a bid at least [14-Apr-25 03:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Also, many of those materials have probably no to little markets, so you'll either produce the whole chain yourself or need to organise players [14-Apr-25 03:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way - more demand for resources ๐Ÿ˜ [14-Apr-25 03:38 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Yep - switched to AI1_AVG for now, [14-Apr-25 03:38 PM] pxlfox.#0000 drones are still really good [14-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 CCD, RED and SDR are all over 500k [14-Apr-25 03:41 PM] jcheung#0000 i can't remember who it was who was alreading doing drones [14-Apr-25 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 dang it [14-Apr-25 03:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Archiel maybe? [14-Apr-25 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 no [14-Apr-25 03:47 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It's more around 1 mil, but still a very good one [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 revenue or profit [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 profit [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 with AI1_AVG [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 that seems extremely high [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] laaxus#0000 Won't last [14-Apr-25 03:48 PM] jcheung#0000 what's your price per input [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/b6384825-534f-4f1f-9548-dbb0d314554b {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/b6384825-534f-4f1f-9548-dbb0d314554b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] jcheung#0000 doesn't give price data [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ah, shoot [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361443268478501054/image.png?ex=68148719&is=68133599&hm=5215bfecaf282d976a8e25138895d3903b0c1799a38067c87dcca6473f4c3610& [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 BSC - 35,000 [14-Apr-25 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 DCH - 9,000 [14-Apr-25 03:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 probably [14-Apr-25 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 DCH for 9k feels low considering what goes into it [14-Apr-25 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 but maybe i'm off [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] pxlfox.#0000 there is CXPC data in the game ๐Ÿฅฒ [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 POW is going for 8.75k [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] pxlfox.#0000 so can't confirm, either [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 SOL for 1.6k [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 DRF for 2.5k [14-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 MPC for 1.5k [14-Apr-25 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 that's 15k for inputs for the DCH currently [14-Apr-25 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 there zero percent chance that the price for that is worth less than 18k unless you're getting it from a VI mfg [14-Apr-25 03:53 PM] jcheung#0000 what's your profit/d if you bump DCH up to... 30k/u [14-Apr-25 03:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 let me check [14-Apr-25 03:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 350k per day [14-Apr-25 03:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Bitkov Industries might becoming a drone factory... [14-Apr-25 03:54 PM] jcheung#0000 the inputs for this also comes out to around 32k/u, which means at least 38k... [14-Apr-25 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 so try DCH @ 20k/u and BSC @ 40k/u [14-Apr-25 03:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 on it [14-Apr-25 03:55 PM] jcheung#0000 that might be more realistic (though possibly still high) [14-Apr-25 03:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 500k [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] jcheung#0000 k. still feels high but that's more reasonable [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 if I had nitro, I would post the MM emoji [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 have to look into it in more detail when I have more time [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] jcheung#0000 wanna work together? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 sure [14-Apr-25 03:56 PM] jcheung#0000 i'm taking down my MOR electronics base [14-Apr-25 03:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, will move away from Malahat too, soon [14-Apr-25 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 so maybe i'll open up shop on phobos [14-Apr-25 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 or something [14-Apr-25 03:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I already have AL, CU, AU and STL producing - and drones are mostly that [14-Apr-25 03:57 PM] jcheung#0000 let's see [14-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 need electronics, chemistry, mfg [14-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 and metalurgy need a FS [14-Apr-25 04:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 let's continue in private ๐Ÿ˜‰ [14-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 Hey make me part of this [14-Apr-25 04:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 for anybody who's interested - here are some really basic plans with the new MM prices. Prices are taken with AI1_AVG. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361446820030714106/image.png?ex=68148a68&is=681338e8&hm=177a92bea1918e9eb453f0b28d8578cf796a5d64261ca39d11b49f4ab56dae0e& [14-Apr-25 04:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/fistpump-juddnelson-easya-80smovies-movies-gif-18408139883777919706 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/fistpump-juddnelson-easya-80smovies-movies-gif-18408139883777919706 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rvc54yOQJmAmFPrY6sdVZa2Ab9A3cRqVv3mdxsPxecM/https/media.tenor.com/_3bZsZxIitoAAAAe/fistpump-juddnelson.png [14-Apr-25 04:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Ping me, if you want any of those plans [14-Apr-25 04:04 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-infinity-gauntlet-infinity-stones-power-gif-2147317492145410101 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-infinity-gauntlet-infinity-stones-power-gif-2147317492145410101 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hPZBr_c1r50fXGpAP3V-SIxxPG0gEG1e5lny2ygr8bo/https/media.tenor.com/HczN4dNPUDUAAAAe/thanos-avengers-endgame.png [14-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm pretty sure we'll find a place somewhere. There are multiple drones which all look promising. Chains are decently long, so the more the better [14-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm sorry, but I can't - it took me an hour to setup all of them ๐Ÿ™ˆ {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ [14-Apr-25 04:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I won't spend another half an hour sharing all of the links [14-Apr-25 11:29 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I have a feeling those will need atrocious number of support bases [14-Apr-25 11:51 PM] evov#0000 The Drone side of things is something that's kind of interesting that I've never done any work on before. I might put some time into looking at that production line and seeing if/where it makes sense to produce them. [15-Apr-25 02:17 AM] jvaler#0000 why aren't you using something like pp30d? AI1 avg is fake(and useless) [15-Apr-25 02:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 good point - let me see [15-Apr-25 02:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It does change the numbers a bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361601906341974016/image.png?ex=68151ad7&is=6813c957&hm=7a3f8539d16917544e0e5a9d52b707427ed48c6abec9ce54edb8a112785d0f2e& [15-Apr-25 02:20 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but markets with no materials (like DCH) still won't show reasonable prices [15-Apr-25 02:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 at the end, those are just indicators, not really a measurment on how the individual bases really will do [15-Apr-25 02:39 AM] realharvey#0000 I feel like availablility of the required inputs will also play a big role [15-Apr-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 definitely [15-Apr-25 03:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 many of those chains have probably thin to no markets [15-Apr-25 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 NL Production needed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361792398799147108/image.png?ex=68147ac0&is=68132940&hm=a452a2de37c4eb09ef037d1a6fbdc4c8831d3d7de390e531e3293582361ea488& [15-Apr-25 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 if you don't have an hephaestus base, please consider a WPL base [15-Apr-25 03:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Or astraeus [15-Apr-25 05:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 I do but your NL consumption is off the charts ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1361830278745817360/image.png?ex=68149e08&is=68134c88&hm=fc95ff50b244057443177b6a35522ea5f7709e3200a621b52f37754259f82fac& [15-Apr-25 06:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @loans_13178 you could talk about your plan and needs here [15-Apr-25 06:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or if itโ€™s for the grant then [15-Apr-25 06:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 #agp-operations is the place [15-Apr-25 06:07 PM] loans_13178#0000 Well this is for my first base so I'm not sure I want to waste that much money just yet. [15-Apr-25 06:08 PM] loans_13178#0000 is there a way to like take a quick loan or something [15-Apr-25 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 waste? [15-Apr-25 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean i offer loans at 3%, matched with lowstrife [15-Apr-25 06:11 PM] loans_13178#0000 I'd do that, do you mind if its at 4% if I'm planning on paying it back over a long period. [15-Apr-25 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah if the repayment period is too long i usually raise the interest rate [15-Apr-25 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 how long were you thinking? [15-Apr-25 06:13 PM] loans_13178#0000 its a stable loan at 4% over 11 weeks [15-Apr-25 06:15 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that sounds fine with me [15-Apr-25 06:15 PM] jvaler#0000 ~~tbh i'm willing to just do 0% interest cause 40k is such a miniscule amount to me lmfao~~ [15-Apr-25 06:20 PM] loans_13178#0000 so just send the contract your way? [15-Apr-25 06:23 PM] loans_13178#0000 If you could accept it within the next 15 minutes that'd be mighty helpful [15-Apr-25 06:42 PM] jvaler#0000 oops sorry lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 I might have emptied GL.AI1 again [16-Apr-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 oupsies [16-Apr-25 02:27 AM] laaxus#0000 sorry not sorry [16-Apr-25 02:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [16-Apr-25 02:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 if the price goes up enough, il consider dropping a base [16-Apr-25 02:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 last i checked the roi wasnt good [16-Apr-25 02:35 AM] laaxus#0000 I think the market needs like one GL base, maybe 2 [16-Apr-25 02:35 AM] laaxus#0000 so it's easy to over produce [16-Apr-25 02:38 AM] laaxus#0000 I might just drop a leased base on vulcan [16-Apr-25 02:38 AM] getonthetrain#0000 for FE? [16-Apr-25 02:38 AM] laaxus#0000 GL [16-Apr-25 02:38 AM] getonthetrain#0000 aww [16-Apr-25 02:39 AM] jcheung#0000 Why not wu [16-Apr-25 02:39 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Hyalos is the spot [16-Apr-25 02:40 AM] getonthetrain#0000 with upcoming MM changes, I think SI and SIO are going to be in much greater demand [16-Apr-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Deimos golden age coming soon [16-Apr-25 02:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, the question of illiquidity also held me a little away from GL [16-Apr-25 08:04 AM] loans_13178#0000 Also what is FIO and how do I set one up for Prun? [16-Apr-25 08:06 AM] pagy1234#0000 its a data base, i personally dont have it set up, its not nessessary, but im sure there is someone here who could tell you how {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [16-Apr-25 08:07 AM] tanda#0000 It's a crowd sourced API, if you understand that speak [16-Apr-25 08:08 AM] loans_13178#0000 went right over my head but i'm new and inexperienced [16-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 https://fio.fnar.net/ [16-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 heres the website [16-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 lots of features you can use without setting anything up [16-Apr-25 08:11 AM] loans_13178#0000 it says the server is not responding? [16-Apr-25 08:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 huh [16-Apr-25 08:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 no idea [16-Apr-25 08:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 doesnt do that for me [16-Apr-25 08:27 AM] pagy1234#0000 what region are you in? [16-Apr-25 08:29 AM] loans_13178#0000 Actaully nvm I got to let me in [16-Apr-25 08:29 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh nice [16-Apr-25 02:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Just a quick one: If anybody of you wants an easy way of getting the construction costs of a building - I have you covered: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ebitkov/fio-extension/refs/heads/main/csv/building/construction_costs/AI1.csv It's a list of every building in the game, it's base costs (ask) and additional environmental costs. [16-Apr-25 02:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Will be updated daily, as soon as I configured the cronjob [16-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 do you have a csv of each building and the type/quantity of each building material? [16-Apr-25 02:08 PM] pxlfox.#0000 there is probably already a FIO endpoint for that [16-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 well what are you doing to get that information? ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 getting the data from a FIO endpoint ๐Ÿ˜‚ [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but I use a JSON endpoint [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 so by "probably" you mean "definitely" [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah [16-Apr-25 02:09 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm sure there is a CSV one [16-Apr-25 03:04 PM] jcheung#0000 /csv/buildingcosts [18-Apr-25 04:52 AM] laaxus#0000 FIM might be crashing [18-Apr-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 could be [18-Apr-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 market were struggling and inflating in the last weeks [18-Apr-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 people started to produce lots of it. [18-Apr-25 05:35 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but with the new MM changes, people are starting to tear down there SCI bases [18-Apr-25 05:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the bubble is finally popping [18-Apr-25 05:37 AM] laaxus#0000 it was not really a "bubble" [18-Apr-25 05:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 HER at least felt like one [18-Apr-25 05:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but probably not. [18-Apr-25 05:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 but the whole chain seems to go down [18-Apr-25 05:46 AM] laaxus#0000 That is true [18-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 But it was sustainable I believe [18-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 Key word being was [18-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [18-Apr-25 05:47 AM] laaxus#0000 We will see [18-Apr-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 has anybody used consummables package yet ? [18-Apr-25 01:47 PM] laaxus#0000 how are they ? [18-Apr-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1362862501859164272/image.png?ex=6815139d&is=6813c21d&hm=f01abfd8d48a449d1e581d60e2a9a9fe006ce7d29314ffd90dae65f7aba7c0b7& [18-Apr-25 01:49 PM] laaxus#0000 they're a flop, that's what they are [18-Apr-25 02:05 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I coulda told you that [18-Apr-25 02:09 PM] moke.#0000 I can see the merit of it.. but I'd rather package stuff and ship it myself than pay a premium for it to be pre-packaged so I can keep it organized/shipped on my schedule [18-Apr-25 02:09 PM] moke.#0000 especially if I was making some of the upkeep items myself [18-Apr-25 03:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 Flop flop flop [18-Apr-25 03:44 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/chicken-flap-finger-gif-14252732 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/chicken-flap-finger-gif-14252732 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jcrIbKQX4CmNE9QcF0iofuPJW4H3qS9uzSfTDGxcsZw/https/media.tenor.com/Yy-TfDW86FoAAAAe/chicken-flap.png [18-Apr-25 04:40 PM] evov#0000 Not yet. But I do plan on making them in the future. [18-Apr-25 09:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 Some of my very old MEA orders got filled, price is going down fast. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฑ [18-Apr-25 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 oh boy [19-Apr-25 12:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 so where do you think MEA is going to end up ? [19-Apr-25 12:12 AM] tanda#0000 That is really hard to say [19-Apr-25 12:12 AM] tanda#0000 it's going to crater initially, but it'll probably end up where it started in a few months (or more) [19-Apr-25 12:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think at the moment nobody really knows what will happen [19-Apr-25 12:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Markets will shuffle and settle after a few weeks or months [19-Apr-25 12:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Keep an eye open and youโ€™ll have a fun ride [19-Apr-25 12:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah it looks a few people have been dumping on MEA already [19-Apr-25 12:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Itโ€™s a bit early for MEA to go down [19-Apr-25 12:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 bids reached 5K [19-Apr-25 12:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think a few people dumped there stocks as long as prices are high, since they probably expected them to fall eventually [19-Apr-25 12:18 AM] tanda#0000 There is a LOT of production that just got stepped up, though [19-Apr-25 12:18 AM] tanda#0000 a lot of IVPs that haven't paid themselves off yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [19-Apr-25 12:19 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah MTP is going to be worthless with the stock that is being produced [19-Apr-25 12:57 AM] jcheung#0000 i expect a month or two of MEA prices being pretty damn low [19-Apr-25 12:58 AM] jcheung#0000 then FIM to drop off a bit, then HER to drop [19-Apr-25 12:58 AM] jcheung#0000 then MEA to stabilize at a reasonable price [19-Apr-25 12:58 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe in 3-4 months [19-Apr-25 04:26 AM] evov#0000 imo - mea will trend towards 4-5k, fim to 2-3k [19-Apr-25 07:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 HER dropped {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363129269139537990/image.png?ex=6814ba8f&is=6813690f&hm=bbbb35a35123cb92583eed47f0b538898486d43cd0caa17afb96b9bc49ae7ebf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363129269408235743/image.png?ex=6814ba8f&is=6813690f&hm=d625933e0a44445fbd493eb0a2a0c4b46e9db10dca20cae12e0d263e879e6bcb& [19-Apr-25 07:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 everyone is fleeing the boat [19-Apr-25 07:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 who sold HER at 1/u? [19-Apr-25 07:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 another leaver? [19-Apr-25 02:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm running out of metallurgy planets... [19-Apr-25 02:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I need probably at least another 2-3 for all I want to achieve [19-Apr-25 02:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Ideally close to ANT [19-Apr-25 02:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But they get expensive or are further away [19-Apr-25 02:04 PM] jcheung#0000 i wonder how rise's pet metallurgy planets are doing [19-Apr-25 02:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 not good [19-Apr-25 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 The infrastructure is still there, the main issue is the shipping [19-Apr-25 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 Because rise just had so many ships [19-Apr-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, so like [19-Apr-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 IY-816C i know was a rise planet [19-Apr-25 02:06 PM] jcheung#0000 but boy, are those PIO numbers tanking [19-Apr-25 02:07 PM] tanda#0000 Well it's probably not being maintained [19-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jcheung#0000 i think some bases also got pulled [19-Apr-25 02:07 PM] tanda#0000 Good news: the expensive infrastructure is still there. [19-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, used to be 5k @30% unemployment, now is 3.7k @35% [19-Apr-25 02:08 PM] jcheung#0000 so maybe will stabilize if more bases are made [19-Apr-25 02:08 PM] tanda#0000 PIO pops are also cheap to maintain, and an ADM means they're quick to get (minimum of 200 per week) [19-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jcheung#0000 crap. i can't remember where the other rise worlds were [19-Apr-25 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 IY-816d is construction [19-Apr-25 02:09 PM] jcheung#0000 i know he had some electronics [19-Apr-25 02:10 PM] tanda#0000 There's like 3 electronics planets in that cluster from him [19-Apr-25 02:10 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, but dummy can't find them things [19-Apr-25 02:11 PM] jcheung#0000 either way @pxlfox. this is an option if you're willing to take a risk ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Apr-25 02:13 PM] tanda#0000 How would the Norwick or Harmonia neighboring planets look to you? [19-Apr-25 02:13 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Next one will be KI-401b, since it's right next to my CUO tap. I can reduce the shipping a bit there. [19-Apr-25 02:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 next to Harmonia aren't any Metallurgy planets... or am I missing something? [19-Apr-25 02:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 location would be very good [19-Apr-25 02:15 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the closer to CX the better [19-Apr-25 02:17 PM] tanda#0000 Time to start making your own planets, lol [19-Apr-25 02:17 PM] tanda#0000 I've been looking for more good sites [19-Apr-25 02:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [19-Apr-25 02:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I'm not sure, if I'm at that point of the game [19-Apr-25 02:22 PM] pxlfox.#0000 tho simple SME bases are quite cheap [19-Apr-25 03:26 PM] harkenn#0000 Any specific thoughts on this base design would be appreciated. Was considering applying for the AGP with it https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b (On Nike) {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/7eade9cf-3ad9-428a-b28d-dcb6c6746f4b PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Apr-25 03:29 PM] jcheung#0000 i would suggest dropping some of the PP1's [19-Apr-25 03:30 PM] jcheung#0000 they don't do great [19-Apr-25 03:31 PM] jcheung#0000 consider also dabbling in the other lfabs with your pp2 as well [19-Apr-25 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 other than that, even as is it's not bad [19-Apr-25 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 are you trying to consume your AL production at deimos? [19-Apr-25 03:34 PM] harkenn#0000 No, unfortunately that's accounted for in DNPC [19-Apr-25 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 ah [19-Apr-25 03:35 PM] jcheung#0000 that's unfortunate [19-Apr-25 03:37 PM] harkenn#0000 Yep, I figure with the revenue from that, though, and what i can get stood up from an AGP grant, I could max out the 3 initial permits either w/ a 2nd (or expanded) construction base, or something supplying mats for construction to increase its profitability and upgrade HQ in as quick a timeframe as is feasible. Let me play around w/ this and see what might work better than the PPT1s. [19-Apr-25 03:38 PM] harkenn#0000 The BDEs had a pretty good per day return, but I'll take you at your word that there's something better [19-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I personally wouldn't go for a PP1/PP2 base atm [19-Apr-25 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 if you want a base to go with it, while not an ideal base... this could do something for you (if your nike base remains the same) https://prunplanner.org/shared/d10895fb-d97f-4eee-b480-ef7745210747 at nascent you can often pick up C cheaper than CX, but it's really not ideal for metallurgy {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/d10895fb-d97f-4eee-b480-ef7745210747 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [19-Apr-25 03:39 PM] pxlfox.#0000 at least not as your second one [19-Apr-25 03:39 PM] jcheung#0000 however it's not too expensive to set up and reduces your AL consumption [19-Apr-25 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 and later on you can move it to more ALO extraction and less refining, and support another base for AL refining [19-Apr-25 03:40 PM] jcheung#0000 like nike - D [19-Apr-25 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 alternatively you can move to a mix of C burn and ALO extraction when you offload smelting, then you can feed your smelters efficiently from one place [19-Apr-25 03:42 PM] harkenn#0000 Oh, I didn't realize changing my plan would actually prevent you from seeing the initial one. [19-Apr-25 03:42 PM] jcheung#0000 ah, yes it updates the share link [19-Apr-25 03:42 PM] harkenn#0000 Whelp this new plan seems better [19-Apr-25 03:43 PM] harkenn#0000 73.5 / day, just without any storage, which I think I can manage. [19-Apr-25 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 i would consider the STO [19-Apr-25 03:43 PM] jcheung#0000 otherwise you visit every other day [19-Apr-25 03:44 PM] harkenn#0000 Yeah, but I don't have anything else going on atm, and the DNPC doesn't require any shipping. I'd have to cut either a PP2 or PP3 which then means I'd have excess workforce [19-Apr-25 03:44 PM] jcheung#0000 as a side note, i don't know if you noticed that Nike is a good LST extraction spot-you can often find LST on the LM for less than CX [19-Apr-25 03:47 PM] harkenn#0000 yeah, just gotta find Epoxy on the market at less than CX ๐Ÿ˜† [19-Apr-25 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 good luck ๐Ÿ˜„ [19-Apr-25 03:56 PM] harkenn#0000 Oh...this plan also dramatically exceeds the grant amount, lol. For some reason the construction cart didn't have all the buildings [19-Apr-25 03:56 PM] harkenn#0000 PP2 / PP3 base is ~1.6mil [19-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 start with a partial [19-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 submit the plan as a whole, but only build half of it to start [19-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 actually maybe less than half [19-Apr-25 03:59 PM] jcheung#0000 you need to save enough to get feedstock and for "oops i screwed up" money [19-Apr-25 04:03 PM] harkenn#0000 Right, but at half the profitability is ~29k a day. That would require an entire month to generate the income necessary to finish the base and get up to full profitability. Or I could build ~80% of the PP1 / PP2 base (leaving a buffer for feedstock and oopsy money) and be capable of producing the mats I need to repurpose that base into the PP2/PP3 base at some point? [19-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 or [19-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 you can take out a loan, if you're not adverse to it [19-Apr-25 04:10 PM] jcheung#0000 plus you have DNPC income as well [19-Apr-25 04:10 PM] jcheung#0000 you can wait until you get a split from them and send that over [19-Apr-25 04:12 PM] jcheung#0000 then once you have your PP2's up you can use them to make the Lfabs you need for PP3 [19-Apr-25 04:13 PM] jcheung#0000 looks like dnpc does... weekly splits? [19-Apr-25 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 so you would buy the BDE, PSL, TRU, MCG, SEA, LTA, LBH [19-Apr-25 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 some feedstock [19-Apr-25 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 figure out how much the split will get you [19-Apr-25 04:16 PM] jcheung#0000 however much you need to finish up the PP2's, then plan to build the most expensive Lfabs and buy the cheap ones [19-Apr-25 04:16 PM] jcheung#0000 at least that's what i would think about doing if i didn't want to take a loan [19-Apr-25 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 for example, i would buy LSE and build LDE [19-Apr-25 04:18 PM] jcheung#0000 and ofc if you have a lot left over you can buy PP3 materials as well [19-Apr-25 05:02 PM] tanda#0000 It really is cheaper than you think (especially if you just look for the abandoned planets and steal their infrastructure) [19-Apr-25 08:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 you can appreciate MEA depreciation: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363325562558353428/image.png?ex=6814c89f&is=6813771f&hm=10c1ea0bd3bf38a76271a82da57466d2411e0bf04406e9f61dbc01f24b88bc3f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [20-Apr-25 01:48 AM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363405924487921814/screenshot_20250420004813.png?ex=68151377&is=6813c1f7&hm=01a2cb5dd3e033dc5d0d49f3a275a65f93e9b91d256facdc165080a128b777e7& [20-Apr-25 01:51 AM] jab.sh#0000 well that was... fun ๐Ÿ˜„ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363406721892221089/screenshot_20250420005118.png?ex=68151435&is=6813c2b5&hm=4399700c35f004585de9ef5ecccc1cedd30a1ebe071e71d1a34ca63902bb20ab& [20-Apr-25 01:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 I see coleslaw is actually making PBU ๐Ÿ‘€ [20-Apr-25 04:43 AM] potaterror#0000 Looks like someone shaved mine as a result, yeah. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363450074125959328/Capture.PNG?ex=681493d5&is=68134255&hm=103f7266b8295a4740c853e116b9327f05e1013f7ce9805ff2c5e752ab0ee781& [20-Apr-25 04:48 AM] potaterror#0000 My MEA FP farm has gone from head and shoulders above the rest to very bottom of the barrel, margin-wise. [20-Apr-25 04:49 AM] potaterror#0000 Oh well. If it dips lower it just means I'll have my stockpile reestablished and be ready to shift permits around that much sooner. [20-Apr-25 04:57 AM] vanarazor#0000 ouch, that looks painful [20-Apr-25 05:00 AM] potaterror#0000 Eh. I think the spike is easier to miss than the follwing plateau, but it's probably about where it would've been anyway. [20-Apr-25 05:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 Whwn you demoslish a building do you get all the reclaimable materials ? [20-Apr-25 06:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 [20-Apr-25 06:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 but it is probably better to buy her than thalassa B CAF production : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363477852305227939/image.png?ex=6814adb4&is=68135c34&hm=2e739ecb2a2b15b336fe457b69d8ea9367930798885406396de4ca6a86a3c48a& [20-Apr-25 06:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 @pagy1234 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363477984081871039/image.png?ex=6814add3&is=68135c53&hm=c48c57d823824dd2f7851e3af1eb675ee70b27c2017289abb22c999dee5ba041& [20-Apr-25 06:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah [20-Apr-25 06:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 meh, the ROI isnt great yet [20-Apr-25 06:35 AM] pagy1234#0000 price might shoot up once that last CAF runs out [20-Apr-25 06:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but then surfing a bubble that big player can fix could cost you more than them [20-Apr-25 06:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 I learned my lesson #MEA [20-Apr-25 06:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah lol [20-Apr-25 06:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 Also, there does seem to be enough production [20-Apr-25 06:44 AM] pagy1234#0000 I think its all just on other CX's, or in peoples inventory [20-Apr-25 11:23 AM] jab.sh#0000 you get a portion based on how old it is [20-Apr-25 05:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah there is a linear decrease on the reclaimable items but so far I've got ll the reclaimable mats back [20-Apr-25 05:20 PM] vanarazor#0000 after 60 d the reclaimable mats reached 0 [20-Apr-25 05:45 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not where it reaches 0 [20-Apr-25 07:42 PM] vanarazor#0000 well I have not tried but that's what I read ; {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363676321514913863/image.png?ex=6814bdca&is=68136c4a&hm=45aa4786d2fadc8cb60ee2f5921823b7afc1e18b94b436c5d2e63904701040a1& [20-Apr-25 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363676798251962548/image.png?ex=6814be3c&is=68136cbc&hm=8fbbead9e863f85269a083cba575f206122c2bb020a86cb87b690e8afae448f5& [20-Apr-25 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 not sure where the line is or where you pulled that information from, but it does take a bit longer than 60 days to fully decay [20-Apr-25 08:12 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah that information has been written a while ago : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363683675614613626/image.png?ex=6814c4a4&is=68137324&hm=090dd28dc448dcd51aa0388ef5f1ee8cb82ddd5d824eeb1e2f5318181425c6d8& [20-Apr-25 08:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 but APEX handbook does says this : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363684310573645844/image.png?ex=6814c53b&is=681373bb&hm=77ac6c2d523001c39c8388d1ccb9af6a12ca3a3afd94b98114098746a8a256ab& [21-Apr-25 11:31 AM] finestone#0000 Solid start to the year and unaffected by meta changes good stuff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1363915003341574415/image.png?ex=6814f355&is=6813a1d5&hm=8b630be225da5c6a3803537e252833dba568aaec7133bc27916eefc2b3b9518a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [21-Apr-25 05:54 PM] vanarazor#0000 tell me about it : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364011523701215324/image.png?ex=6814a479&is=681352f9&hm=8b28d3cc2f1cb27cf58d8a5eb1eee4cec144e8b604a201414780d64f4c1ba8f6& [21-Apr-25 05:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 splendor of the market correction due IDC changes, forever written here [21-Apr-25 05:56 PM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-it-is-what-it-is-gif-16600298 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-it-is-what-it-is-gif-16600298 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gZnHyhiVKPaCYSz-yZYAMpMYaMeumr_spsYAnMjyaDY/https/media.tenor.com/eA0FkHAWF0MAAAAe/robert-downey-jr-tony-stark.png [21-Apr-25 05:56 PM] akyantor#0000 I guess I wasn't playing the meta ๐Ÿ˜› {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364012028754395247/image.png?ex=6814a4f1&is=68135371&hm=3dbe524ca04221acac99610ff8483108f9100e48b4a8a3d271c57be4a21a06ce& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [21-Apr-25 05:57 PM] tanda#0000 Nary a blip, lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364012233113210961/image.png?ex=6814a522&is=681353a2&hm=07cb62f1955e364d9cef32d8c6aa50a288ef1818e4a18a233ffdc6c9d985bed2& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ [21-Apr-25 06:35 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364021884404105297/image.png?ex=6814ae1f&is=68135c9f&hm=c519fb506fd298fca1fe83ae207bcfbc8406785f2ae1a57131b7a41a0ec201db& [21-Apr-25 08:18 PM] potaterror#0000 I will say that the benefits of flexibility of heavy ag vertical integration & being part of so many different co-ops is despite being one of the biggest MEA producers watching the ass fall off of MEA, my reaction is pretty much: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364047609618108446/th-2444701803.jpg?ex=6814c614&is=68137494&hm=977c41f24a375e1fffad59eb5a79a760f44fa65083d38e424be83a40d7d10138& [21-Apr-25 08:18 PM] potaterror#0000 Always Be Co-oping. [21-Apr-25 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 I am definitely less thrilled about the accompanying RFAB crash, but that's what I get for being construction primarily [21-Apr-25 08:37 PM] vanarazor#0000 why is R fabs crashing ? IDC > MEA >Loss of players > less R fabs sold ? > R fabs stockpiling > R fabs prices going down ??? [21-Apr-25 08:38 PM] tanda#0000 honestly I think it's major IDC players leaving the game and firesaling their stockpiles [21-Apr-25 08:38 PM] vanarazor#0000 evil move to crash market as you are leaving [21-Apr-25 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/i-don%27t-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/i-don%27t-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FLwB_GOen10jYFgxEDB7Zmpm6Ep4GFmapxC9aCQSDIA/https/media.tenor.com/Zc-ZTPzlEHoAAAAe/i-don%2527t-know-idk.png [21-Apr-25 09:55 PM] loans_13178#0000 how do you get these screens? [21-Apr-25 09:55 PM] jvaler#0000 refined prun https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1292871586705051729/1305070369324929056 [21-Apr-25 09:56 PM] loans_13178#0000 oh, yeah I can't mess with that just yet, I keep getting lost and confused. I'll have to set a day or two to get a hyperfixaction about it. [22-Apr-25 03:34 AM] magican1980#0000 @tanda my labs are making atm DDT, which other products is profitable from your view? [22-Apr-25 04:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 I'm not Tanda, but what about THE and NR ? [22-Apr-25 05:06 AM] magican1980#0000 NR is interesting, but I need a next Chem Planet :), I will look into it [22-Apr-25 05:19 AM] laaxus#0000 You should look at prunplanner {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‰ (2) [22-Apr-25 05:19 AM] laaxus#0000 It easily answer those questions {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [22-Apr-25 08:07 AM] magican1980#0000 yes, I see the numbers, but some people know, wher is demand (and actual buyer) for some products, what the numbers alone not telling - for example BL ๐Ÿ˜‰ [22-Apr-25 08:11 AM] marat_sh#0000 DDT gonna have some competition [22-Apr-25 08:11 AM] marat_sh#0000 I couldnโ€™t sell a single unit for 2 weeks already [22-Apr-25 08:12 AM] marat_sh#0000 TCL looks pretty dead as well [22-Apr-25 08:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 I expect the drop for NR demand as well [22-Apr-25 08:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, too many lab will compรจte for too few product [22-Apr-25 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm considering dropping the lab base in fabor of another POL [22-Apr-25 08:45 AM] tanda#0000 LABs are going to have some fierce competition over the next while [22-Apr-25 08:47 AM] marat_sh#0000 People will start switching to PG with new MM [22-Apr-25 08:48 AM] marat_sh#0000 So C and PG gonna be good time to invest [22-Apr-25 09:01 AM] realharvey#0000 Positively or negatively? [22-Apr-25 09:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 I assume negatively ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Apr-25 09:14 AM] marat_sh#0000 BAC might get some traction [22-Apr-25 10:17 AM] sidepipe#0000 I remember the days where I basically kept ANT stocked with one full-time DDT base ๐Ÿฅฒ [22-Apr-25 11:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 Reminds me how my friend loved doing DoorDash in my area because there were basically no drivers, a year later there are so many drivers and makes a bit more than a minimum wage [22-Apr-25 11:50 AM] marat_sh#0000 Prunplanner is a blessing and a curse ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Apr-25 11:51 AM] marat_sh#0000 Once people findout the good markets they stop being good markets [22-Apr-25 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Except for NL apparently [22-Apr-25 11:51 AM] laaxus#0000 #BUILDAWPLBASE {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Apr-25 11:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 Itโ€™s gonna take time When I did WPL NL was over saturated [22-Apr-25 11:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 KV was a go to [22-Apr-25 11:52 AM] marat_sh#0000 Now they switched [22-Apr-25 11:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 People will adjust but slowly since you need to open prunplanner and keep scanning the recipes ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Apr-25 11:53 AM] marat_sh#0000 I stopped doing that and just do what I do. I wonder how many people play on autopilot [22-Apr-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 or put it in a spreadsheet that auto updates that you can glance at [22-Apr-25 11:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 Yeap, but how many people do that? ๐Ÿ˜… [22-Apr-25 11:57 AM] marat_sh#0000 Probably at the beginning when the hype is there [22-Apr-25 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 Problem with items like NL you have to have build a massive stockpile essentially making item at the loss for a while [22-Apr-25 12:14 PM] akyantor#0000 It's a space intensive good to manufacture too. WPL are huge! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [22-Apr-25 12:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 Also a reason why I am not stopping my TCL and REA production. I technically run them at the loss since I canโ€™t sell them [22-Apr-25 12:38 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 Thats capitalism [22-Apr-25 01:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 scientists costs have reduced significantly in the last week {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364312934821527622/image.png?ex=6815146f&is=6813c2ef&hm=84fae198fbfc6b94bb4581378994dc6dbe36508e36b2e0dcc37f423688a00e32& [22-Apr-25 01:53 PM] realharvey#0000 crazy :D [22-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jcheung#0000 The heck came down [22-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 still no bundles on the market {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-Apr-25 01:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 I bought 4 PBU and sold them, and that's been the entirety of the ANT volume ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) kekw [22-Apr-25 01:54 PM] realharvey#0000 dont worry. People are just ramping up their production! *Or the devs made a bad call.* {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [22-Apr-25 01:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the new XIT ACT is really killing them, tbh {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [22-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Be funny if they just sold them to someone else who shipped it to another cx and listed sold it there [22-Apr-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364313546669948938/screenshot_20250422125448.png?ex=68151501&is=6813c381&hm=e46cf140a9c67507d8778dabfd6e4635e6ef3368f97c7c40221dd3f3466de9b9& [22-Apr-25 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Putting that aside, the concept as a whole is rough {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [22-Apr-25 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 A lot of time and shipping for little gain [22-Apr-25 01:57 PM] realharvey#0000 I must say I atleast considered it for a while. Building my own hub. Then XIT ACT update hit... [22-Apr-25 01:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 whoops I had a typo on TBU (current price is $60,690) - but what the heck is PS? it's in fio price data but not a mat in game? [22-Apr-25 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 What other data is associated with ps? [22-Apr-25 01:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 nvm I'm doing vlookup so I think it grabbed the closest match [22-Apr-25 01:59 PM] realharvey#0000 A lot of production definitly happening {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364314685276684429/image.png?ex=68151610&is=6813c490&hm=b52773562fa98c5b80a29f6e2543f969fe9231cb9332efa27b522e129a071341& [22-Apr-25 02:00 PM] realharvey#0000 this is the one with the most produced units [22-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 "a lot" ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 like 10/day total [22-Apr-25 02:00 PM] realharvey#0000 janetech seams to be one of the only ones having made 1000 over all bundles [22-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 when one PAC can make 5/day [22-Apr-25 02:02 PM] realharvey#0000 devs will call it a success [22-Apr-25 02:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 guess they're all at MOR {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364316094877401200/screenshot_20250422130458.png?ex=68151760&is=6813c5e0&hm=34264b346b0021345c6ecc30f7ab3b0939ad048bf90f05c26d4eec0cbd9bbcc1& [22-Apr-25 02:05 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh, MOR actually has 100 PBU for sale {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [22-Apr-25 02:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 if you have MOR money P/S/TBU are cheaper than the raw mats ๐Ÿ‘€ [22-Apr-25 02:07 PM] realharvey#0000 if anyone wants to get on top of the leaderboard on a few easy products:: Now is your time {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [22-Apr-25 02:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 literally one PAC and you're #1 {Reactions} kekw [22-Apr-25 03:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Are you looking at raw mat numbers for ant or mor [22-Apr-25 10:14 PM] vanarazor#0000 I spent a couple hours looking at AIR production, and I conclude that with 31 million and 6 permits I could get 720K profit/d which is 42days ROI but if the MM does not change, it is actually very liquid. this project does not include any extraction permits which means that this could stimulate ever so slightly ALO/SIO/FEO/AUO/LST/CUO/HE/O/C/H ( H2O?) However 5 of theses permits still have room on the 1 permit base Have you guys looked into AIR production? [22-Apr-25 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 Yes [22-Apr-25 10:28 PM] tanda#0000 Keep in mind that if you're actually doing AIR production, you're not going to do the smelting for it [22-Apr-25 10:29 PM] tanda#0000 SME bases are low margin enough you shouldn't really consider them (until the market goes nuts) [22-Apr-25 11:06 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah they are not high margins but so is the construction/manufacturing/chemistry {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364452301204488256/image.png?ex=6814ed7a&is=68139bfa&hm=b74ec799d835a85bc2aa5c726d5f30f20649d56840eca2606615e1034aa215d7& [22-Apr-25 11:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 most of theses permits are not saturated there is still room to build which means [22-Apr-25 11:08 PM] vanarazor#0000 and the idea of doing the smelting was in case of market crashes and using ores market value retaining properties [22-Apr-25 11:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 especially for FE and SI at the moment [22-Apr-25 11:10 PM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364453303550869555/image.png?ex=6814ee69&is=68139ce9&hm=70426fb74c2cfc2d431f4740ab67adfe50abe3c76b1fdd1cec98b31d0d93ddb9& [22-Apr-25 11:49 PM] vanarazor#0000 yeah but this bundles could be considered as an asset that freeze mats value in time, say that you have vertically integrated consumables for pioneers and produced a PBU on monday and you see on tuesday the price on certain goods/mats/consumables getting more expensive than monday, you might still have a monday PBU ? [22-Apr-25 11:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 what [22-Apr-25 11:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 you can always unbundle and sell it or whatever [22-Apr-25 11:50 PM] vanarazor#0000 in other words you could save up theses bundles for rainy days and sustain market changes for theses consumables ? [22-Apr-25 11:50 PM] jab.sh#0000 nothing's frozen [23-Apr-25 01:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364490882660831392/image.png?ex=68151169&is=6813bfe9&hm=8ae3828bedd33fb98eb39a0cd226e5b8c1a0a7c2a41cba72589e397c0581de9b& [23-Apr-25 01:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 PG is on the a steady rise [23-Apr-25 01:40 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/q9upFR5r3AW.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-bunty-chicken-run-dawn-of-the-nugget-not-again-here-it-comes-gif-14258973560593841984 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/M8T8VKpgEsOkwZJfhzVX3_uZXw3zu_5PW5cpn62WdhY/https/media.tenor.com/xeIM5_Th_0AAAAAe/here-we-go-again-bunty.png [23-Apr-25 01:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 you are about to get rich {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364491406231470152/image.png?ex=681511e6&is=6813c066&hm=071c105f45f1122eecad085ab9f8d1394ee8ca97e4f687d4450f14c499f2ef1d& [23-Apr-25 01:42 AM] jcheung#0000 Debatable [23-Apr-25 01:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 hahaha [23-Apr-25 01:42 AM] vanarazor#0000 7.5M worth of PG is going in your pocket next week [23-Apr-25 01:42 AM] jcheung#0000 Next week? Does it come out of your pocket if that doesn't come to pass? [23-Apr-25 01:43 AM] vanarazor#0000 hahaha [23-Apr-25 01:43 AM] vanarazor#0000 if only I had pocket that deep [23-Apr-25 01:43 AM] jcheung#0000 I started making PG during the last PG price hike, it's doing wonders for me now ๐Ÿ˜ [23-Apr-25 01:44 AM] jcheung#0000 Pain in the butt sometimes to keep running but worth it [23-Apr-25 01:45 AM] magican1980#0000 hehe - PG is used in so many thinks [23-Apr-25 01:45 AM] vanarazor#0000 I produce excess of HAL excess of CL hence why I'm producing EPO [23-Apr-25 01:46 AM] vanarazor#0000 could be worth stcking up some CL for a few weeks and drop another CHP permit [23-Apr-25 01:48 AM] magican1980#0000 yes and many of the EPO can go into A-fabs for HQ later upgrades ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [23-Apr-25 01:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 it switched! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364493614893367306/image.png?ex=681513f4&is=6813c274&hm=c7839e52389d2c8038c23a2f960313124a5aae2745409ad736354cee472f9c15& [23-Apr-25 01:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Just when I was heading to settle there [23-Apr-25 01:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ™ƒ [23-Apr-25 01:51 AM] magican1980#0000 lol, the first person votet manufacturing, but there will be others coming [23-Apr-25 01:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, but now I have to wait for it to set [23-Apr-25 01:52 AM] magican1980#0000 check in 1-2 days [23-Apr-25 01:53 AM] pxlfox.#0000 this really doesn't fit into my schedule ... ๐Ÿฅธ [23-Apr-25 01:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 alr [23-Apr-25 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Well [23-Apr-25 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Better now than 2 weeks after [23-Apr-25 02:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Pole the gov and ask them what the long term plan is [23-Apr-25 02:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Did that [23-Apr-25 04:35 AM] evov#0000 I do hope PG spikes. I bought over a million of it a couple weeks ago. To my surprise it barely effected the price at all. .. it showed up pretty clearly on the volume traded part of the chart though ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364535049386590230/image.png?ex=681491cb&is=6813404b&hm=7440d1562054983ab6ae80d303f2dbab5a35220f8c395ea8fd2bcd296cc48024& [23-Apr-25 04:36 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364535448084549713/image.png?ex=6814922a&is=681340aa&hm=3da25f55df9b15d9e886ac7fe19b6cce12300d4cccaf85a37c84a851ced1a3cc& [23-Apr-25 05:26 AM] vanarazor#0000 It might have affected the price too quickly but it definitely had an impact!! [23-Apr-25 06:08 AM] magican1980#0000 at Benten CX I have seen the effect ๐Ÿ™‚ for some days no offer for PG [23-Apr-25 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 Love to see it: 2x the daily/weekly movement compared to Moria, and just slightly less supply, all while being 5% cheaper [23-Apr-25 06:54 AM] tanda#0000 This order book, though...oof [24-Apr-25 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @razesdark is KI-401b switching it's CoGC, or is that just a single player? [24-Apr-25 05:26 AM] razesdark#0000 Probably just a single player. That planet doesn't get a lot of attention by its inhabitants [24-Apr-25 05:26 AM] realharvey#0000 I think I never voted on a cogc [24-Apr-25 05:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I do sometimes [24-Apr-25 05:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Well, I'm taking the risk now and hope I can vote against it. I would really appreciate, if you could also vote for Metallurgy ๐Ÿ™‚ [24-Apr-25 05:33 AM] razesdark#0000 I actually misread the planet ticker. Yeah, there has been no talk about changing from Metallurgy on 401b to my knowledge, I have voted for Metallurgy [24-Apr-25 05:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 [24-Apr-25 05:37 AM] vanarazor#0000 what were you planning on Ki-401b, is there no alternative planet anywhere? [24-Apr-25 05:38 AM] vanarazor#0000 can;t just go through hoping that the cogc would come back one day ?or is it that the politic over there changed direction for lonfterm ? [24-Apr-25 05:39 AM] vanarazor#0000 I just caught up with this chat all good [24-Apr-25 05:40 AM] vanarazor#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1364913835022221374/image.png?ex=6814a111&is=68134f91&hm=f018782468237078da72cf610e0735dc43288d02116f6fa992de8df4ae3dbcab& [24-Apr-25 05:40 AM] vanarazor#0000 at the moment metallurgy is leading [24-Apr-25 05:40 AM] razesdark#0000 Yeah, I voted metallurgy recently [24-Apr-25 05:40 AM] realharvey#0000 why do players even settle a planet and vote to flip the COGC [24-Apr-25 05:40 AM] realharvey#0000 that makes no sense to me [24-Apr-25 05:41 AM] vanarazor#0000 if you put down your base quickly within 4 days you can vote against it as well @pxlfox. [24-Apr-25 05:41 AM] realharvey#0000 if you want another manu planet. Then go to another one? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿฝ [24-Apr-25 05:41 AM] razesdark#0000 I don't think its likely that the COGC actually flips [24-Apr-25 05:45 AM] razesdark#0000 Its just xepiov that votes against. That being said, this will be my last term governing that planet so if you dont want a manufacturing/inactive governor next term its better to run there. [24-Apr-25 05:45 AM] razesdark#0000 You will have my vote automatically [24-Apr-25 06:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m still learning to be a Gov, but the planet is rather small and is mostly PIO and SET, so I think I can manage that ๐Ÿ˜… [24-Apr-25 06:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 KI-401 is lays very optimal for KI-840 (where I extract CUO), so itโ€™s a good one I would love as a SME base [24-Apr-25 06:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 xepiov was Gov there and probably has a base. Maybe he notices there isnโ€™t much interest in the planet and wanted it to change for himself [24-Apr-25 06:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We would need to ask them tho, to be sure [24-Apr-25 06:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Either way - gonna have a ship available in 2 hours. Gonna send the mats over and settle. {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [24-Apr-25 06:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 I mean you can run CU smelting anyway or the margin are thin to consider smelting without COGC ? [24-Apr-25 06:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Why be contempt with the sky, if you can aim for the stars? [24-Apr-25 06:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-gif-21942187 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-gif-21942187 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y4TqBInHD5DNBmu90w3_nhUowz4pbWjZoswxZINlgC0/https/media.tenor.com/Qx9MNTg4t4AAAAAe/youre-right.png [24-Apr-25 06:43 AM] tanda#0000 Yes, those contemptible stars {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [24-Apr-25 08:24 AM] jcheung#0000 They don't talk [24-Apr-25 08:24 AM] jcheung#0000 Content* [24-Apr-25 08:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Oh, my bad ๐Ÿ™ˆ something something English isnโ€™t my first language [24-Apr-25 08:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Noticed that [24-Apr-25 08:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 They didnโ€™t replied for 3 days [24-Apr-25 08:35 AM] jvaler#0000 wait they replied at all?? where? [24-Apr-25 08:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Nope [24-Apr-25 08:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ~~Still waiting~~ [24-Apr-25 08:36 AM] jvaler#0000 oh lol [24-Apr-25 08:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If they didnโ€™t replied yet, would you say โ€œsince 3 days?โ€ or is that just wrong? [24-Apr-25 08:44 AM] jcheung#0000 People been trying to reach them ~~about their car's extended warranty~~ for years [24-Apr-25 08:44 AM] jcheung#0000 And not a word was said in reply [24-Apr-25 08:44 AM] jcheung#0000 Well, at least a year anyways [24-Apr-25 08:46 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think โ€œthey havenโ€™t replied for three daysโ€ is more correct than โ€œsince 3 daysโ€. Since is kind of a false friend for โ€œseitโ€ (I have the same problem going from English to German ๐Ÿ˜„) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Apr-25 08:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 (At least, I think thatโ€™s what youโ€™re asking) [24-Apr-25 08:50 AM] jcheung#0000 "Since 3 days ago" implies a reply was made 3 days ago, "they haven't replied for 3 days" would be slightly more correct {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Apr-25 10:46 AM] pagy1234#0000 what industries does ANT need, i have too much cash, and I want it gone [24-Apr-25 10:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 was looking at GL, but unless I can get on deimos theres no point [24-Apr-25 10:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 POL on ZV-639d is also a consideration [24-Apr-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 but its shipping intensive [24-Apr-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 and roi is meh [24-Apr-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 other wise i was looking at SE-110e, for another FP -> DW+COF base [24-Apr-25 10:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 but expensive and POP is nonexistant [24-Apr-25 10:49 AM] pagy1234#0000 if I go there I will have to wait a while for pop to come [24-Apr-25 10:54 AM] laaxus#0000 POL for pg, definitly [24-Apr-25 10:55 AM] laaxus#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi sort by roi {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [24-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, but on ZV-639d the ROI is 44d [24-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 my griff base is fine [24-Apr-25 10:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 (like 23 d or something) [24-Apr-25 10:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 but all the good chem planets are too far for me, or expensive [24-Apr-25 10:57 AM] laaxus#0000 you have a base on electronica origo ki-840c and yk-266c ? [24-Apr-25 10:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 i got electronica, origo, griff [24-Apr-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 not the last 2 [24-Apr-25 10:58 AM] pagy1234#0000 but iirc they are far as shit [24-Apr-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 FTL is fast [24-Apr-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 and chemistry usually requires little shipping [24-Apr-25 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 so it doesn't really matter [24-Apr-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 POL needs full WCB every like 5 days [24-Apr-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 which for me is alot [24-Apr-25 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, for pol you usually need a LCB [24-Apr-25 10:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 since because of shipping conts (that im tryna phase out) i have one of my my 2 ships stuck on ANT-> phobos -> harmonia -> noriwck [24-Apr-25 11:24 AM] jab.sh#0000 sounds like my ships except swap phobos for life ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Apr-25 11:26 AM] pagy1234#0000 lol [24-Apr-25 01:48 PM] tanda#0000 for GL you want to go either on Hyalos (shipping intensive) or Norwick (lol) [24-Apr-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 or vulcan [24-Apr-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I used to have a GF base on vulcan [24-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 I do some gl on deimos [24-Apr-25 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 CX sio [24-Apr-25 02:01 PM] tanda#0000 CX is starting to be a really bad option for SIO [24-Apr-25 02:01 PM] tanda#0000 SME is showing negative profit for SI right now due to the price of SIO/how low SI has been pushed [24-Apr-25 02:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah - Iโ€™ve actually been exporting some of my SI to other places to make money on it ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Apr-25 02:05 PM] laaxus#0000 a sio base is really shipping intensive [24-Apr-25 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, part of why I think Norwick is probably a good idea [24-Apr-25 02:06 PM] tanda#0000 unless you have the ship to dedicate to Hyalos [24-Apr-25 02:14 PM] jcheung#0000 Here i was thinking about starting a base to make SI or hire someone to make some for me... how much SI do you make, and what target price are you looking for [24-Apr-25 02:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ll get back to you when I have my PC - I make a bit for my BWS base since I had to run some GF on Hyalos anyway, but it might not be enough to share. And anyway, it might be cheaper to get it from the CX ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Apr-25 02:24 PM] jcheung#0000 No rush I'm at work anyways [24-Apr-25 04:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 Iam dropping yk-266c in next few hours, check the pop beforehand [24-Apr-25 04:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 aAAAH i KNEW IT.. [24-Apr-25 05:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 hence why I was looking at metallurgy frto AIR integration scheme [25-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 @laaxus ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365313546254155776/Screenshot_2025-04-25_at_9.08.24_PM.png?ex=6814c3d3&is=68137253&hm=7448678350cb64ba99e48ceea6658546e12a1640636e7f7fdfe67a34632b2b57& [25-Apr-25 08:08 AM] pagy1234#0000 whyyyyyyy [25-Apr-25 08:09 AM] pagy1234#0000 ur killing my margins๐Ÿ˜” [25-Apr-25 08:17 AM] laaxus#0000 No one buys psm anyway [25-Apr-25 08:21 AM] zillatron#0000 ...then why are you making it? :huh: [25-Apr-25 08:25 AM] pagy1234#0000 there are enough sales to cover my production [25-Apr-25 08:26 AM] laaxus#0000 I forgot to change my ppf production [25-Apr-25 08:26 AM] realharvey#0000 just buy out DeepSpace Technologies and relist more expensive [25-Apr-25 08:27 AM] laaxus#0000 2 weeks ago, I told myself "now that evov stopped buying psm, I should really produce something else" And now I have 2k psm sitting at hephaestus [25-Apr-25 08:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 do you make ONLY PSM at heph? [25-Apr-25 08:28 AM] pagy1234#0000 how tf you got that produciton [25-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Evov was buying my entire production [25-Apr-25 08:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Didn't felt the need to produce anything else [25-Apr-25 08:30 AM] realharvey#0000 @evov can you buy out laxxus to make @pagy1234 happy? ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Apr-25 08:31 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmaoo, its really not nessessary๐Ÿ˜… [25-Apr-25 08:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Wait wait I have 2k psm at heph too ! Please wait I list it all ! [25-Apr-25 09:57 AM] jcheung#0000 could probably ship that PSM up to MOR for a good profit [25-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 what do you produce now? [25-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 want to make me some DCM and DCS? ~19/d and 16/d respectively [25-Apr-25 09:58 AM] jcheung#0000 might be lower [25-Apr-25 10:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Psl, market needs it [25-Apr-25 10:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Not sustainable [25-Apr-25 10:03 AM] jcheung#0000 why not sustainable [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 atp you migh aswell just tell me to abandon PPF๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 PSM sucks [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 PSL about to suck [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 DCL was pretty high on the ROI ranking [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 il check that out [25-Apr-25 10:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 I guess [25-Apr-25 10:17 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean i haven't even mentioned a price and it's already been slapped as not sustainable ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Apr-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 Some says ppf prices will rise in a month [25-Apr-25 10:42 AM] laaxus#0000 :shruge: [25-Apr-25 10:45 AM] jcheung#0000 gee, i wonder why [25-Apr-25 10:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Wait, you meant for you ? [25-Apr-25 10:52 AM] jcheung#0000 unless you can find another me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365354831165915186/image.png?ex=6814ea46&is=681398c6&hm=670242426d37dcd174f3dfa226d7475b5d5dd376f61fec82d955715802587c85& [25-Apr-25 10:54 AM] laaxus#0000 If it's a 1 to 1 deal, @pagy1234 might need it more than me [25-Apr-25 11:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Hey, Appletree is my plastic supplier - find yourself a new one ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ…ฟ๏ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต ๐Ÿ‡ซ [25-Apr-25 11:47 AM] jcheung#0000 i mean if you prefer i can post bids at some profitable price ๐Ÿ˜‰ [25-Apr-25 12:15 PM] getonthetrain#0000 for what it's worth, I'm starting to buy ppf products from the cx as I now am in deficit from my own production [25-Apr-25 12:15 PM] getonthetrain#0000 new MM's are juicy [25-Apr-25 12:39 PM] evov#0000 Kind of funny. If the PSM order book looked like that a few weeks ago I wouldn't have felt the need to build another base or two to make more myself. The nature of complex manufacturing is that they're quite long production chains, and if any link in that chain becomes unavailable, the whole production line grinds to a halt. I had repeated shortages with a lot of the plastics being either unavailable or way too expensive. And now I run 49x PPF's myself so it's not really a problem I have to worry about for a while I'd think. [25-Apr-25 12:44 PM] igfloz#0000 I was kind of getting into this myself ๐Ÿ‘† - but with electronic basics. With my Pro licence coming to an end, I'll be bringing down that production, so there will probably be listings of things like MB, PCB etc. in the near future on the CX [25-Apr-25 02:35 PM] razenpok#0000 @Laaxus ๐Ÿ˜ญ [25-Apr-25 03:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 what's the closest farm planet to ISA? [25-Apr-25 03:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 GRM or HYF? [25-Apr-25 03:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 Demeter? [25-Apr-25 03:22 PM] tanda#0000 like capable of supporting farms? or agriculture planet? [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 I guess Harmonia is closer [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 fertile planet [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, Harmonia [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 Demeter it is ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 wellll [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 you could say Phobos too [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Heh yeah you could [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] jab.sh#0000 Phobos isn't even on this list [25-Apr-25 03:23 PM] tanda#0000 it is, however, fertile [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365423143623065630/screenshot_20250425142341.png?ex=68148125&is=68132fa5&hm=312239884f926fc2234e35619f0117ae97e349a258a1a01a44cfa2ff3c441983& [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, it's not COGC [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 ah [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 I would recommend taking a look at all fertile planets in this region of space [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] tanda#0000 there's a couple that might surprise you [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Its electronics but fertile [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah Phobos is cloest but it's elec [25-Apr-25 03:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But itโ€™s fertile [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Try it out [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 yep [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Make a plan [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have FP on Phobos [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] tanda#0000 It's better than Demeter as far as travel time, lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Apr-25 03:25 PM] jab.sh#0000 I might be trying to do too much with this lmao [25-Apr-25 03:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe with Phobos I don't need SE-110b [25-Apr-25 03:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Doesnโ€™t hurt to look :RSZeroShrugIDK: [25-Apr-25 03:26 PM] tanda#0000 I would also have a bit of a suspicion as far as Demeter's population too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 03:26 PM] tanda#0000 (if you're thinking about expanding the project you're in charge of out there) [25-Apr-25 03:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 nope this is personal [25-Apr-25 03:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 I'm finally getting around to setting up my own bases ๐Ÿคฃ {Reactions} danceboi [25-Apr-25 03:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 after 373 days [25-Apr-25 03:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Atta boy [25-Apr-25 03:27 PM] tanda#0000 If you want to do RAT, I would commit to the full stack of 3 bases out in Thalassa personally [25-Apr-25 03:27 PM] jab.sh#0000 I think I want to do MEA and C? [25-Apr-25 03:28 PM] tanda#0000 It's enough Agri goods out of B to fund a couple different FPs [25-Apr-25 03:28 PM] tanda#0000 Are the margins on C good enough to justify spinning up new processing right now? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคท [25-Apr-25 03:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 still figuring out the recipes, and I don't think I want FRM and HYF https://prunplanner.org/shared/b5c7791b-77bb-463a-8054-8848aae1f985 https://prunplanner.org/shared/600e4841-be79-497e-a26e-3405911843c2 https://prunplanner.org/shared/0e802a5e-622b-43c7-a2cf-c07bda346889 https://prunplanner.org/shared/59fcc8d1-403e-43f1-ae14-0962af230e61 [25-Apr-25 03:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 but BEA you have to make on FRM [25-Apr-25 03:32 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh I guess I don't need BEA for PPA [25-Apr-25 03:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 that was the only reason I was looking at FRM ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Apr-25 03:36 PM] tanda#0000 This is a pretty standard Thalassa setup, just skewed for some C production [25-Apr-25 03:36 PM] tanda#0000 fair warning, there are no TEC on SE-110a {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 03:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh yeah [25-Apr-25 03:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 so no IVP D: [25-Apr-25 03:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 no technicians in the whole system [25-Apr-25 03:37 PM] tanda#0000 honestly not too big of an expense to drop a PAR and supply it with DW and bug the GOV [25-Apr-25 03:37 PM] tanda#0000 you could probably get the limited TEC you need in about 2-3 weeks {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 03:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 I have no idea what ratio of FP/IVP I want either [25-Apr-25 03:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 3:18 seems like the lowest I can go without running out of MTP [25-Apr-25 03:39 PM] tanda#0000 It's been a minute since I looked at it [25-Apr-25 03:40 PM] tanda#0000 but other than the TEC requirement, it wasn't too bad {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Apr-25 03:40 PM] jab.sh#0000 oh yeah, FIM needs RAT [25-Apr-25 04:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I should just focus on RAT [25-Apr-25 04:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 ok maybe this? VEG/ALG/MAI for RAT, and HCP for C [25-Apr-25 04:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 24d roi on a, 67d on b, 35d on c, and 38d on d, total cost is $10m ๐Ÿ™ƒ [25-Apr-25 05:18 PM] jab.sh#0000 plus $3m in hq upgrades, and another 12m for 2 ships [25-Apr-25 09:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 FIM now sells at a major loss [25-Apr-25 09:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 (according to Prun planner) [25-Apr-25 09:55 PM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365521712854335488/Screenshot_2025-04-26_at_10.55.40_AM.png?ex=6814dcf2&is=68138b72&hm=471165f3f1f89999a0d4267f2954e0c4c9434835204e2848dcc5ac16890667e7& [25-Apr-25 09:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 But in game its still my best base? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365521801265938473/Screenshot_2025-04-26_at_10.55.53_AM.png?ex=6814dd07&is=68138b87&hm=872e85da9944d66f4b193945292582c4942459108899a9b45eb3b242da795e4f& [25-Apr-25 09:56 PM] pagy1234#0000 genuinely no clue [25-Apr-25 09:58 PM] tanda#0000 I guess HER hasn't finished crashing? [25-Apr-25 10:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [25-Apr-25 10:07 PM] pagy1234#0000 But why is it so different in game Vs. In prun planner [25-Apr-25 10:08 PM] jcheung#0000 what's your settings in prunplanner [25-Apr-25 10:08 PM] pagy1234#0000 Buy at buy, sell at sell [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254642134317793300/1343696101026566287 [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ohh [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Im selling at buy [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‰ [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 Thanks [25-Apr-25 10:09 PM] pagy1234#0000 There is a massive gap between the buy and sell things rn [25-Apr-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't expect it to go much lower [25-Apr-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 but i could be wrong [25-Apr-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe like [25-Apr-25 10:10 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm [25-Apr-25 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 1800 as lowest maybe [25-Apr-25 10:11 PM] jcheung#0000 but that should also be after HER settles way the fuck down [25-Apr-25 10:19 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol [26-Apr-25 02:13 AM] laaxus#0000 putting this here so that I can find it more easily {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365586507598925825/image.png?ex=6815194a&is=6813c7ca&hm=15f7ab90a8171aa845d60a2ecc8a6b7f07fe714a7c0254febd9f1bd430a3029a& [26-Apr-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 *sigh* {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 time to reorganize the empire [26-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 im looking at the NV2 in this thing [26-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 how on earth do you balance the SNM [26-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365596171904483328/Screenshot_2025-04-26_at_3.51.33_PM.png?ex=6814798a&is=6813280a&hm=b70fda083135c397192aa4723325337250c89142e52570c954b436a017a59f7c& [26-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 I been trying for like the last 30 minutes [26-Apr-25 02:52 AM] pagy1234#0000 but im not even sure if its possible to balance it all out [26-Apr-25 02:52 AM] laaxus#0000 wdym balance ? [26-Apr-25 02:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 like make all the no input things be net 0 production [26-Apr-25 02:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 trying to get all the DA, DD and DV to 0 like IMM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365596699724353536/Screenshot_2025-04-26_at_3.53.27_PM.png?ex=68147a08&is=68132888&hm=e403616521105e9698347fb99ff581a3e4a0df836a4358374227e757de53acb6& [26-Apr-25 02:54 AM] laaxus#0000 most of the time, net 0 is impossible [26-Apr-25 02:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 D: [26-Apr-25 02:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 I can get all the WAI inputs to 0, not the IMM tho [26-Apr-25 02:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 wait, not the WAI [26-Apr-25 02:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 well i balanced something earlier [26-Apr-25 03:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 try for AIR , it's fun [26-Apr-25 03:00 AM] vanarazor#0000 most of the time I end up with permit not fully used [26-Apr-25 03:01 AM] vanarazor#0000 which sounds like a few hybrid permits [26-Apr-25 03:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 I did look at that earlier aswell, but theres just too many steps D: [26-Apr-25 03:03 AM] laaxus#0000 nice [26-Apr-25 03:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 I tried to make the full AIR chain in 1 base [26-Apr-25 03:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 but theres like 20 building so it wasnt even close to fitting [26-Apr-25 03:31 AM] evov#0000 Complex manufacturing might be the part of the game I enjoy most. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365606230210510908/image.png?ex=681482e9&is=68133169&hm=12691d4e824dd2fca7d1471eef10c2a4a4551eabc2fbd3ad6780c9f3e7aa4ead& {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [26-Apr-25 03:33 AM] evov#0000 I also think the new MM list is interesting because I think if you asked 10 different people to rank order the new MM's in terms of their appeal / perceived profitability.... you'd probably get 10 very different lists. [26-Apr-25 03:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah probably [26-Apr-25 03:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 would it be better to have slight underproduciton of inputs, to maximise final outputs, or slight overproduction of inputs to have some extra? [26-Apr-25 04:00 AM] evov#0000 Depends how confident you are on the CX being able to supply inputs when you run low. [26-Apr-25 04:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 I mean more that I just sacrifice that buildings run time [26-Apr-25 04:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 like, I could either leave a bunch of area in my base, or maximise the final product, even if I lose a tiny bit of value on the buildings [26-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm honestly excited with the new MM changes [26-Apr-25 04:05 AM] laaxus#0000 I think the game will become much more interesting [26-Apr-25 04:06 AM] evov#0000 The pop upkeep change for Govs (I haven't looked too closely at yet) might also make a whole lot of other materials suddenly have demand. [26-Apr-25 04:06 AM] laaxus#0000 and I think those who invests the most time into searching and analyzing the market, will be more rewarded than currently [26-Apr-25 04:06 AM] laaxus#0000 (not me) [26-Apr-25 04:10 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿคค https://prunplanner.org/shared/c07b271c-1278-44a0-8a5e-b1a863acb1f1 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/c07b271c-1278-44a0-8a5e-b1a863acb1f1 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [26-Apr-25 04:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 I lowkey wasted a ton of time [26-Apr-25 04:36 AM] pagy1234#0000 NV2 sucks๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ™ [26-Apr-25 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 ? [26-Apr-25 04:44 AM] laaxus#0000 isn't it like 200k+ per permit [26-Apr-25 04:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 SNM is bloody expensive [26-Apr-25 04:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 i changed the price of SNM to only what it costs me to make it [26-Apr-25 04:47 AM] pagy1234#0000 now its profitable [26-Apr-25 04:53 AM] laaxus#0000 set buy at buy and sell at buy, to estime the profitability of a supply line [26-Apr-25 04:53 AM] laaxus#0000 another way is to fix the prices of goods, empire wide [26-Apr-25 04:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah [26-Apr-25 04:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 thats what I did now [26-Apr-25 04:57 AM] pagy1234#0000 actually, it probably would be more that 200k per permit, if you could actually make any of the inputs with that much volume [26-Apr-25 05:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah I wasted like 2h on ts [26-Apr-25 05:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 idk why [26-Apr-25 05:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Just because you did not have the expected result doesn't mean it was wasted Time, imho [26-Apr-25 05:34 AM] pagy1234#0000 true, at least I discovered that is was bad [26-Apr-25 05:48 AM] bishopsix#0000 how did you make that cool tree to see production chain? [26-Apr-25 05:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 in prun planner, there is a tool for it {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365641292255858759/Screenshot_2025-04-26_at_6.50.45_PM.png?ex=6814a390&is=68135210&hm=6450b3ffb7a7fe0c5fff8fe4f5396cedaf5bf0db557bbc8363bed9c4432749d6& [26-Apr-25 05:51 AM] bishopsix#0000 awesome! Thank you! [26-Apr-25 05:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 :D [26-Apr-25 05:57 AM] bishopsix#0000 Question, lets say I have 3 farms, to produce 1 RAT I need 3 farms to do 3 different orders, is there any way to group these farms in separate production lines based on their output? Or do I need to always choose a different recipe everytime I want to switch to a new output in the production tab aka 1 big long ass prod line? [26-Apr-25 06:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 I'm not sure I follow you [26-Apr-25 06:29 AM] vanarazor#0000 what do youmean by grou p ?> {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365650882212921354/image.png?ex=6814ac7e&is=68135afe&hm=e05268eebea45cd88ffb3db818fb102c4202669be7ced94e8e1ae92a64aa8311& [26-Apr-25 06:29 AM] bishopsix#0000 Right ok, let me know if this makes sense, no no wait. [26-Apr-25 06:29 AM] bishopsix#0000 So I want to make RAT, I need 3 ingredients = 3 farms producing them [26-Apr-25 06:29 AM] bishopsix#0000 right? [26-Apr-25 06:30 AM] bishopsix#0000 So, do I need to manually assign these 3 items everytime in the production screen [26-Apr-25 06:30 AM] bishopsix#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365651198018977842/image.png?ex=6814acca&is=68135b4a&hm=1d2cedab876b8a6c62c4db19769c07d9c9163fa75e022443387ba9259a5ee5e2& [26-Apr-25 06:30 AM] bishopsix#0000 under New Order [26-Apr-25 06:31 AM] bishopsix#0000 Cuz like, if I want 6 farms, I don't want to click 1451023 times in new order to select a different farming output everytime [26-Apr-25 06:31 AM] bishopsix#0000 perhaps I might be explaining too badly sorry about that [26-Apr-25 06:31 AM] vanarazor#0000 you choose the recipe that suits you and there is an option for "_Recurring order_" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365651533823217766/image.png?ex=6814ad1a&is=68135b9a&hm=aefe2ca21775a0e2c953faf8c7ea1b559bc745356b1d098f1d30aacf900edd0c& [26-Apr-25 06:32 AM] bishopsix#0000 okay so once that gets done, it automatically starts a new order based on the production template? [26-Apr-25 06:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 I use prplanner to see what recipe could be good profits, I check the in game market. then For me, I usually do the same recipe in one base and click on recurring until the economical environment changes, then I update or cancel my recipe for a better option {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [26-Apr-25 06:33 AM] vanarazor#0000 once you click on recuring order it will always repeat the same one {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [26-Apr-25 06:33 AM] bishopsix#0000 holy shit [26-Apr-25 06:34 AM] bishopsix#0000 guess who's been manually clicking queue orders this whole time [26-Apr-25 06:34 AM] bishopsix#0000 the thing is so small I would have never seen it [26-Apr-25 06:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 the good thing about recurring option, is that you can from let's say your 13 FRM set up different recipe in repeat and you can see the % of distribution [26-Apr-25 06:34 AM] vanarazor#0000 ege {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365652326144282716/image.png?ex=6814add7&is=68135c57&hm=f7ba72ed65f6caf8e7fbe3881aa9efdaf13be14312d498f5170c7adbb1b9cba4& {Reactions} โค๏ธ [26-Apr-25 06:35 AM] bishopsix#0000 this makes everything so much easier thanks Aaron! {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [26-Apr-25 06:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 this base was making FIM and MEA and at the moment it 's not worth it for me to keep doing that so I updated my FP line to produce COF and DW {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [26-Apr-25 06:35 AM] vanarazor#0000 too easy [26-Apr-25 06:35 AM] bishopsix#0000 now it literally is [26-Apr-25 07:18 AM] jab.sh#0000 I always shoot for slight overproduction [26-Apr-25 08:31 AM] jcheung#0000 I didn't look at the whole list, only a handful... settled on making SAR to start because so many things on that list need it [26-Apr-25 08:33 AM] jcheung#0000 It kinda depends. I like to try to be within 5-10 units of 0, anything closer than that is reserved for low production to start like WAI [26-Apr-25 08:34 AM] jcheung#0000 As for over or under, i look at the cx. If the market looks healthy, even if slightly overpriced i won't care about being under [26-Apr-25 08:34 AM] jcheung#0000 If market is bare and basically doesn't exist, then I'll shokt for over [26-Apr-25 08:38 AM] pagy1234#0000 alright, I see [26-Apr-25 11:12 AM] jvaler#0000 goddamn scorpio is cooking {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (2) [26-Apr-25 11:24 AM] laaxus#0000 I wished scorpio would fix the xit actions in supply and construction [26-Apr-25 11:26 AM] jab.sh#0000 what's wrong? [26-Apr-25 11:27 AM] .urpalhal#0000 XIT actions that get generated by PrUnPlanner? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Apr-25 11:27 AM] jab.sh#0000 I've never tried this [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Theyโ€™re ok [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 can I make an xit action to move building supplies for a new planet [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 and consumables? [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 nice [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yes [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 I should give that a go [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] .urpalhal#0000 It makes a text thing you copy and then import into XIT action buffer [26-Apr-25 11:28 AM] jab.sh#0000 how do you do it? I don't see the button [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I donโ€™t remember with out looking at it [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I canโ€™t look rn [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 all they do is transfert [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 they don't do the buy part [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 I feel like you could edit it to add the buy? [26-Apr-25 11:29 AM] jab.sh#0000 oh found the button [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] laaxus#0000 I wished I didn't have to [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah fair enough [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 is prunplanner open source? [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I think so [26-Apr-25 11:30 AM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I'll add it ๐Ÿ˜› [26-Apr-25 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 anybody got mfk on hepha that he'd be ready to sell ? [26-Apr-25 11:31 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't want to do another trip just for mfk ... [26-Apr-25 11:33 AM] jab.sh#0000 looks like it was open sourced 7 days ago? what [26-Apr-25 11:33 AM] jab.sh#0000 or is this a rewrite [26-Apr-25 11:33 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [26-Apr-25 11:34 AM] jab.sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365727676308000778/screenshot_20250426103405.png?ex=6814f404&is=6813a284&hm=e1881652631c6d33e7559f3914ce7b5c26d53a28f4841b71574a3639372773ef& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 11:34 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Nerd [26-Apr-25 11:34 AM] jab.sh#0000 yeah this is just a mockup ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Apr-25 11:34 AM] jab.sh#0000 nothing works lol [26-Apr-25 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 there are people in moria selling RSE for 18k [26-Apr-25 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 like, what the actual fuck ??? [26-Apr-25 01:02 PM] laaxus#0000 cost of production is 22.5k [26-Apr-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 18k means losing 250k a day [26-Apr-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 it's a negative idc farm [26-Apr-25 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Apr-25 01:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 EvoV is one of them ๐Ÿ‘€ [26-Apr-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 it's probably people selling rest of bases [26-Apr-25 01:05 PM] laaxus#0000 but still [26-Apr-25 01:06 PM] laaxus#0000 moria ask price is still at -50k profit [26-Apr-25 01:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 what I'm hearing is there's cheap RSE [26-Apr-25 01:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 some market maker opportunities [26-Apr-25 03:08 PM] laaxus#0000 btw @loans_13178 I see that you're only at permit, would you be interested in leasing a permit to me ? [26-Apr-25 03:09 PM] loans_13178#0000 sure, how would I do that? [26-Apr-25 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 that'd give you a stable income [26-Apr-25 03:09 PM] laaxus#0000 let's go into dms to not flood [26-Apr-25 04:18 PM] loans_13178#0000 Hephatus is Antares right? [26-Apr-25 04:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup [26-Apr-25 04:19 PM] loans_13178#0000 So its eligible for the AI Grant? [26-Apr-25 04:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yup {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] loans_13178#0000 is 22,440,108 AIC for a ship a reasonable price for a large transportation ship? [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 22 million? [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] loans_13178#0000 yes [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl - hell no ! [26-Apr-25 04:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can do cheaper [26-Apr-25 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 4-6 million is the range for most on the market [26-Apr-25 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 that 22mil is double the cost of an HCB [26-Apr-25 04:58 PM] igfloz#0000 have you upgraded your original starter ships ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘Ž [26-Apr-25 04:59 PM] loans_13178#0000 Yes but I need at least 3,000t and 3,000m^3 [26-Apr-25 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 for shipping? no you don't [26-Apr-25 04:59 PM] tanda#0000 you make multiple trips [26-Apr-25 04:59 PM] igfloz#0000 That doesn't make sense [26-Apr-25 04:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What are you making again? [26-Apr-25 05:00 PM] loans_13178#0000 This for a hypothetical base of MCG [26-Apr-25 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Gotcha [26-Apr-25 05:00 PM] loans_13178#0000 If I wanted to avoid daily trips [26-Apr-25 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 that ROI is tempting, ngl {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365809975242526842/image.png?ex=681497e9&is=68134669&hm=8e3787b2a26cd58fd7e22b47c47fd6bdebab6d410c34a4fbb46f865ebebc2e62& [26-Apr-25 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 but the shipping is huge [26-Apr-25 05:01 PM] loans_13178#0000 with base ships I would likely have to make at least 3-4 trips a day [26-Apr-25 05:02 PM] tanda#0000 that's a pretty good indicator that it's not a worthwhile base [26-Apr-25 05:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What about the WCB ship 3000 t 1000 m3? [26-Apr-25 05:02 PM] loans_13178#0000 how much would that be? [26-Apr-25 05:03 PM] loans_13178#0000 well this is planning for full land use so i'm trying to math out how much time I would have before it makes sense to just get a larger ship. [26-Apr-25 05:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Check #psk-information [26-Apr-25 05:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can upgrade your starter ships [26-Apr-25 05:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s like 1.2 mill or something [26-Apr-25 05:04 PM] tanda#0000 including the ship upgrades necessary to run this base, your ROI on it immediately jumps up to 40days [26-Apr-25 05:05 PM] loans_13178#0000 yes so I plan to use base ships with the Antares Grant and then build it up from the revenue off of my production. [26-Apr-25 05:08 PM] igfloz#0000 Which planet are you planning this for ? LST is HEAVY, so you won't be able to import much with a starter ship {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Apr-25 05:08 PM] loans_13178#0000 Hephaestus [26-Apr-25 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I wouldnโ€™t do Heph for MCG [26-Apr-25 05:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thereโ€™s other planets with LST sources on the planet with Manufacturing CoGC [26-Apr-25 05:15 PM] loans_13178#0000 I don't see others that are reasonably close to ANT and qualify for the Antares initiative grant [26-Apr-25 05:15 PM] loans_13178#0000 At least not on PRUNplanner [26-Apr-25 05:15 PM] igfloz#0000 Nike produces good quantities of LST - but I think its construction CoGC [26-Apr-25 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You know who would be good to ask [26-Apr-25 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler [26-Apr-25 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or Rise [26-Apr-25 05:18 PM] igfloz#0000 .......and I have to say, are you just looking to fill the buy orders for MCG ? A lot of people basically give it away [26-Apr-25 05:19 PM] loans_13178#0000 Well I'm trying to start a base with a good ROI and honestly struggling. [26-Apr-25 05:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What is a โ€œgood roiโ€ in your eyes? [26-Apr-25 05:20 PM] loans_13178#0000 honestly more than 50k AIC a week at this point [26-Apr-25 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also weโ€™re not saying donโ€™t do it, just like these are things that could be difficult and you should think about [26-Apr-25 05:20 PM] tanda#0000 that's easy: Do a CL base on Griffonstone {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (3) [26-Apr-25 05:21 PM] igfloz#0000 wow, I'd kinda expect closer to 50K AIC / day ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [26-Apr-25 05:21 PM] vanarazor#0000 i started not too long ago, leasing a permit could be a good way to secure a profit for minima trouble in mind [26-Apr-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 I've got lucky to be helped by everyone here and I had 2 leased permit that helped me a lot [26-Apr-25 05:22 PM] loans_13178#0000 I'm already working on one with Laaxus {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [26-Apr-25 05:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 but then ON top of it I also plan my own permits [26-Apr-25 05:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Pflox (I think) here did CU and we said maybe donโ€™t do that cause heavy and he did it and heโ€™s fine. [26-Apr-25 05:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 look up for chem bases, ROI are pretty good and not too much shipping [26-Apr-25 05:24 PM] loans_13178#0000 Honestly my first base is so convoluted and messy I'm pretty sure it only makes a profit because its basically self sustaining except for luxury consumables. [26-Apr-25 05:24 PM] vanarazor#0000 I've made the same mistake at the start [26-Apr-25 05:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like you make OVE, DW and RAT there but then mainly make something else? [26-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 a convoluted first base that self sustain does not allow you for much profit either [26-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 or I ll be curious to see the plan [26-Apr-25 05:26 PM] loans_13178#0000 no it does not [26-Apr-25 05:26 PM] vanarazor#0000 laaxus could not be more clear when I started , he was saying " as a new player all you should look at is profit and shipping requirements" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [26-Apr-25 05:26 PM] loans_13178#0000 I grow stuff, probably on the wrong planet for it too. [26-Apr-25 05:26 PM] loans_13178#0000 mostly MAI, NUT, BEA [26-Apr-25 05:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Phobos? [26-Apr-25 05:27 PM] igfloz#0000 nope, you're on Harmonia - a good place for growing [26-Apr-25 05:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then youโ€™re fine [26-Apr-25 05:27 PM] vanarazor#0000 have you thought about a FP planet to use your first base output and produce some RAT? [26-Apr-25 05:28 PM] vanarazor#0000 may be something like RAT into RAT + DW? [26-Apr-25 05:29 PM] loans_13178#0000 I'm overproducing on both right now and selling off the excess [26-Apr-25 05:29 PM] vanarazor#0000 oh nice [26-Apr-25 05:29 PM] loans_13178#0000 along with my MAI, NUT, BEA [26-Apr-25 05:30 PM] loans_13178#0000 for some reason I decided to produce SAL which I'm now regretting, and O [26-Apr-25 05:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @jvaler where did you do MCG at? [26-Apr-25 05:31 PM] igfloz#0000 don't bother with extracting H20 or O on Harmonia - It's cheaper to buy off the cx than it is to produce on Harmonia {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 05:32 PM] igfloz#0000 you are wasting FRM space [26-Apr-25 05:34 PM] jvaler#0000 hephaestus, but that's just because i needed to use up excess BMP production. if you want to actually mass produce MCG you should look at SE-866e {Reactions} givelove [26-Apr-25 05:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I knew you would know {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‡ [26-Apr-25 05:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thanks ๐Ÿ™ [26-Apr-25 05:35 PM] jvaler#0000 np np [26-Apr-25 05:40 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-in-a-hole-cat-look-kitty-gif-20103130 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-in-a-hole-cat-look-kitty-gif-20103130 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZbBEhdnNPHrP__EkSQiy7fvl3izemLj1IjD5UAWtJkc/https/media.tenor.com/NaSKctmgxboAAAAe/cat-kitten.png [26-Apr-25 05:41 PM] tanda#0000 *governed by xepiov* {Reactions} dread [26-Apr-25 05:41 PM] igfloz#0000 heh - I'll re-post, I thought I was replying to the wrong msg earlier. Hell of a lot of LST there [26-Apr-25 05:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://tenor.com/view/lets-start-a-fucking-revolution-george-washington-america-the-motion-picture-lets-get-it-on-lets-make-a-great-revolution-gif-22150598 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lets-start-a-fucking-revolution-george-washington-america-the-motion-picture-lets-get-it-on-lets-make-a-great-revolution-gif-22150598 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/J3LcShQz74v1KVZbfq6_grGPX_d_2JqT4KR2CjZmSpg/https/media.tenor.com/C_Z9ctN2448AAAAe/lets-start-a-fucking-revolution-george-washington.png [26-Apr-25 05:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I like msg itโ€™s tasty ๐Ÿ˜‹ [26-Apr-25 05:42 PM] tanda#0000 tbh, good manufacturing space is worth a coup or two [26-Apr-25 05:44 PM] igfloz#0000 ROFL, I've watched that movie - hilarious ! {Reactions} danceboi [26-Apr-25 05:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma watch it idk what it is I just saw it in the gifs [26-Apr-25 05:45 PM] igfloz#0000 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6733874/ {Embed} https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6733874/ America: The Motion Picture (2021) โญ 5.6 | Animation, Action, Adv... 1h 38m | TV-MA https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FbBcjRZiYeLBptCwpP7p9pGfUvTGVsIFQDZb45dvcDg/https/m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTIyYzFlMzgtODA2MS00YThhLTg0OGUtZmM2MWQ0MDQxNmQ4XkEyXkFqcGc%40._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg {Reactions} givelove [26-Apr-25 05:50 PM] loans_13178#0000 If we start a coup could I get to be govenor? [26-Apr-25 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol if you really want to {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 05:51 PM] igfloz#0000 heh, you're just looking to burn money aint you ? [26-Apr-25 05:52 PM] loans_13178#0000 Not completely just what's the point of spending so much time on a game if you don't get to use it on frivolous things for enjoyment. {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [26-Apr-25 07:22 PM] jab.sh#0000 how do people here react to market changes? do you have one "do it all" base or are you really tearing down and rebuilding all the time? [26-Apr-25 07:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I just cry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [26-Apr-25 07:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's been my strategy [26-Apr-25 07:28 PM] tanda#0000 market changes? people still need fabs at the end of the day [26-Apr-25 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 I just stay VERY reluctant to hop on to obvious bubbles {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 07:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 people still need rats at the end of the day too [26-Apr-25 07:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 fab production is so shipping intensive [26-Apr-25 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 LFAB production is, past there, it's really minimal [26-Apr-25 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 even adding STL in for RFABs keeps it inside of 1-2 shiploads a week [26-Apr-25 07:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I haven't really looked past bfabs [26-Apr-25 07:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not as shipping intensive as HAL {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Apr-25 07:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 man I'm starting to have dreams about this game.., [26-Apr-25 07:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 that's a sign that I'm playing too much [26-Apr-25 07:37 PM] moke.#0000 If the changes seem like they'll stick around long term, and greatly affect profits, then I will tear things down and rework. But if its less than like, 15% I'l just kinda shrug and go with it. Maybe start using it to produce something else. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [26-Apr-25 07:37 PM] jab.sh#0000 do you have a firm grasp on your cogm and have a min price in your head (or better yet on a sheet)? [26-Apr-25 07:37 PM] moke.#0000 Example: C got hard stuck at 700-720, I ended up using what I was selling on the CX [26-Apr-25 07:38 PM] moke.#0000 I have a solid idea, I wouldn't say I go as far as spreadsheeting it. [26-Apr-25 07:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 I don't, I just vibe sell ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Apr-25 07:39 PM] moke.#0000 If the margin isn't there with like, MM prices on upkeep, then I won't do it [26-Apr-25 07:39 PM] moke.#0000 But thats about as far as I get with spreadsheeting as far as that [26-Apr-25 07:40 PM] moke.#0000 I probably put more effort into deciding which things on the CX to flip ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Apr-25 07:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 you buy and relist? [26-Apr-25 07:42 PM] moke.#0000 If it seems reasonable to [26-Apr-25 07:42 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've been starting to look at those opportunities but you need to stay vigilant or you'll just get undercut [26-Apr-25 07:42 PM] moke.#0000 Yep, always a risk [26-Apr-25 07:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 I haven't yet committed to doing it ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Apr-25 07:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 do you do any price fixing [26-Apr-25 07:43 PM] moke.#0000 Nah [26-Apr-25 07:43 PM] jab.sh#0000 where you own both sides [26-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 that one seems less riskier but can require a lot of capital [26-Apr-25 07:44 PM] moke.#0000 Not a huge fan of price fixing; typically I'm pumping up the price because people are shooting way low trying to sell {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [26-Apr-25 07:44 PM] moke.#0000 They get their money, and I'm more patient to sell it for a small profit [26-Apr-25 07:44 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [26-Apr-25 07:45 PM] moke.#0000 Better than letting my cash just sit [26-Apr-25 07:45 PM] moke.#0000 But I'm also not min-maxing gains or constantly pushing for the most profit on my bases, so taking loss periodically is something I find worth risking [26-Apr-25 08:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 market changes? I don't ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Apr-25 08:05 PM] sidepipe#0000 but generally I take a look at XIT FINPR or Prunplanner and rebuild the base if it drops below 50k ish a day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Apr-25 08:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 i tend to be very slow to react though because lazy [26-Apr-25 08:06 PM] tanda#0000 It's genuinely hard to make a base that makes less than 50k a day [26-Apr-25 08:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 all of my bases are project bases so XIT FINPR is useless [26-Apr-25 08:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 even my life base which is down to 67% (99 days) shows 54k ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Apr-25 08:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 my SI base on Hyalos is 39k ๐Ÿ˜ญ [26-Apr-25 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 blame that one on the price of SIO, lol [26-Apr-25 08:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 well, I mine the SIO there too, which might be part of the issue [26-Apr-25 08:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 I don't think the deposit on Hyalos is particularly good [26-Apr-25 08:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 this seems like a pretty solid plan that doesn't require constant attention or a lot of waste. I like it. [26-Apr-25 08:11 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, but the game sees that as a loss in value, since SIO is worth more than SI [26-Apr-25 08:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah yeah good point [26-Apr-25 08:12 PM] tanda#0000 actually the SIO on Hyalos is 80% of max [26-Apr-25 08:13 PM] sidepipe#0000 ...should I sell the 1799 spare SIO that I have? [26-Apr-25 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 if you really wanted to be 100% efficient, WU-070e is 98% of max [26-Apr-25 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 hey if it's moving on the market at that price, absolutely [26-Apr-25 08:13 PM] jab.sh#0000 80% isn't that bad right? there's worse? [26-Apr-25 08:13 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, 80% is decent enough to make a planet out of it [26-Apr-25 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 and Hyalos is triple green, which covers a LOT of sins {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [26-Apr-25 08:14 PM] tanda#0000 oddly enough, Norwick is also 80% and triple green [26-Apr-25 08:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 but wrong cogm [26-Apr-25 08:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 so is Hyalos tbf [26-Apr-25 08:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 I guess if you're extracting they're both wrong [26-Apr-25 08:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [26-Apr-25 08:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 for mining at least [26-Apr-25 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 is it, though? I looked at a hybrid SIO/GL/SI production line on Norwick and it still made over 60k [26-Apr-25 08:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, but you might as well do that on Hyalos and save some space on the GL and SI [26-Apr-25 08:20 PM] tanda#0000 yes, but that is an extra jump, and I like this as a second option too [26-Apr-25 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 there are a lot of good spots overall, though. When I first moved onto YK-266c, the player already there was just making glass [26-Apr-25 08:26 PM] jcheung#0000 take loans and stockpile [26-Apr-25 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 then inevitably sell my NL stockpile because i need to pay said loans [26-Apr-25 08:27 PM] jcheung#0000 then it goes to the moon [26-Apr-25 08:30 PM] jab.sh#0000 hope is not a strategy [26-Apr-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 well [26-Apr-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 stockpiling is a strat [26-Apr-25 08:35 PM] jcheung#0000 you just have to have enough financial reserves to cover it [26-Apr-25 08:38 PM] jab.sh#0000 I stockpile too much, and don't even look at markets lol [26-Apr-25 08:39 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I should look at FINPR more and sell the mats from whatever base shows the highest margin [26-Apr-25 08:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel like I donโ€™t really sell much on the CX (tho that has changed a bit lately) [26-Apr-25 08:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I feel like I mostly sell HAL and my FABs before they even get to the CX [26-Apr-25 08:41 PM] jab.sh#0000 I do too but I haven't had any buyers in a while [26-Apr-25 09:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 sidepipe thank you for buying my rations ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซถ [26-Apr-25 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You want me to buy your RATs? [26-Apr-25 09:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 someone's gotta keep the RAT industry alive [26-Apr-25 09:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 I've actually got a couple 1000 myself, but they're all stuck at my FP planets and I need to resupply other planets sooner ๐Ÿ˜„ [26-Apr-25 09:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 everyone needs rations right? ๐Ÿ™‚ [26-Apr-25 09:09 PM] jab.sh#0000 and at 165 ๐Ÿค‘ [26-Apr-25 09:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 I could use the cash ๐Ÿ˜ [26-Apr-25 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Right ๐Ÿฅด [26-Apr-25 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How many you want to sell? [26-Apr-25 09:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And price? [26-Apr-25 09:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 I've got another 1181 on the CX before Freeloader's order [27-Apr-25 01:26 AM] laaxus#0000 @pagy1234 all my psm has been bought so you Can go back to producing psm if you feel like it ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 01:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 "No one buys psm anyway" [27-Apr-25 01:39 AM] pagy1234#0000 lmao [27-Apr-25 01:40 AM] pagy1234#0000 I got a deal going already, no extra production time for psm ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Apr-25 01:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Well it is not very liquid [27-Apr-25 01:40 AM] laaxus#0000 Nice for you ! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [27-Apr-25 01:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair enough, no idea who needs 1k psm [27-Apr-25 01:41 AM] laaxus#0000 I did not expect evov to buy my stock After being self sufficient [27-Apr-25 01:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh evov bought it [27-Apr-25 01:41 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah the 3k of it [27-Apr-25 01:41 AM] pagy1234#0000 maybe its for all his ship building stuff [27-Apr-25 01:42 AM] pagy1234#0000 wants to secure a big buffer before prices eventually skyrocket from MMs {Reactions} โค๏ธ [27-Apr-25 02:28 AM] evov#0000 The price was right. And I'm still waiting for the new PPF's I put down to actually out-produce what I need. I still think there's a lot of good demand for PPF bases going forward. I also think it would be a good idea for people to look into Welding plants. There's a few things there that are running low and already quite profitable. [27-Apr-25 02:39 AM] laaxus#0000 The more I look at the new MM, the more I agree that there will be demand for ppf products [27-Apr-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 but this demand doesn't materialize quite yet [27-Apr-25 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 btw, I think it's time to buy out moria again {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365955801583321158/image.png?ex=681476f9&is=68132579&hm=0b34e3d153df649ace51e2cd4b35d20bf0f1a478c4267bc48606480ad2d50d45& [27-Apr-25 02:42 AM] laaxus#0000 manufacturing cogc will come from underwhelming to one of the strongest I think [27-Apr-25 02:42 AM] evov#0000 It never was underwhelming. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 02:48 AM] pagy1234#0000 what are some of the profitable things coming out of welding plants? [27-Apr-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 WPL ? [27-Apr-25 02:48 AM] laaxus#0000 NL, most definitly [27-Apr-25 02:48 AM] evov#0000 WELDING [27-Apr-25 02:50 AM] pagy1234#0000 I need to get myself a constuction planet eventually, seems to be too much stuff related to constuction that is good [27-Apr-25 02:50 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365958224485945455/image.png?ex=6814793a&is=681327ba&hm=5ba7f2d07c0d1d7fc5872fd71766701edde8a781687e2e224bb39739415c6e95& [27-Apr-25 02:51 AM] laaxus#0000 PP2 is very shipping intensive, except for LTA PP3 base is quite costly PP4 base, don't even think about it [27-Apr-25 02:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 TRU looks great on that [27-Apr-25 02:51 AM] evov#0000 Right now - most of the welding stuff is solid. Things that will be affected by the MM changes imo - FC big time. Also FLP to an extent. [27-Apr-25 02:52 AM] evov#0000 TRU I "feel" like it's short supplied, but can't be sure. SSC is already quite expensive / very profitable. [27-Apr-25 02:52 AM] laaxus#0000 When selling at ask price {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365958888347795577/image.png?ex=681479d9&is=68132859&hm=2c75a655879e420ea9e9d55f0b6447d944127a7617945d35cbb224842fd6f80d& [27-Apr-25 02:53 AM] evov#0000 Ignore DRF - can make it cheaper in the drone plant. CHA is .... I'd buy it now if it were available. But it's a very low traded item so prices/volumes don't make sense. [27-Apr-25 02:54 AM] laaxus#0000 I'd say, if you want to do a WEL base, go for it [27-Apr-25 02:54 AM] laaxus#0000 the light seems as green as possible to me [27-Apr-25 02:55 AM] laaxus#0000 - cost of base is low - high profitability at ask - still profitable at bid - a large number of viable recipes - not very shipping intensive [27-Apr-25 02:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I mean Iโ€™d make more CHAโ€ฆ. [27-Apr-25 02:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah, super flexible aswell, all the top items in WEL use AL and HE, only some have an extra item [27-Apr-25 02:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 FE and AL are heavy so you will want more than 1 STO {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 02:56 AM] evov#0000 ^ [27-Apr-25 02:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I fucked up and only have one [27-Apr-25 02:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 But donโ€™t want to shutter anything so imma make do [27-Apr-25 02:57 AM] evov#0000 TRU an SSC are high volume / reliable items. So even if some of the more niche things take a while to sell, you'll always have something to fall back on. [27-Apr-25 02:57 AM] getonthetrain#0000 metals are gonna be in short supply soon [27-Apr-25 02:58 AM] getonthetrain#0000 just saying [27-Apr-25 02:58 AM] evov#0000 I have 4 WEL - but they're just not keeping up with what I need. Not sure if I can justify a whole new permit just for more WEL though. [27-Apr-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 AL in short supply ? [27-Apr-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 price might increase but it was long overdue [27-Apr-25 02:59 AM] laaxus#0000 they'll finally get paid what they deserve [27-Apr-25 03:00 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Evo was already buying today across all the CX's [27-Apr-25 03:00 AM] getonthetrain#0000 he knows [27-Apr-25 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 MAKE ANTARES (metallurgy) GREAT AGAIN [27-Apr-25 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/kdai-k%27daii-k%27dai-warhammer-warhammer-fantasy-gif-6666997236778744455 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/kdai-k%27daii-k%27dai-warhammer-warhammer-fantasy-gif-6666997236778744455 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QH3Q2I_5Ue29rWV836ceaV1fdAfXW8pEIQD-WIF3FGM/https/media.tenor.com/XIXuqeC1OocAAAAe/kdai-k%2527daii.png [27-Apr-25 03:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm still laughing : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1365964831500275762/image.png?ex=68147f62&is=68132de2&hm=3d74bee8ffc30833715e9f036756414cbf8210d65916e749247c47336bc5d45a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [27-Apr-25 03:56 AM] pagy1234#0000 If I were to make a WEL base, should I make it somewhere like Aceland which is close to CX, or somewhere like IA-151 where I could easily expand and vertically integrate stuff [27-Apr-25 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 depends [27-Apr-25 03:56 AM] laaxus#0000 do you plan to build many construction planets ? [27-Apr-25 03:57 AM] laaxus#0000 if so, you should keep planets close to the cx for the most shipping intensive ones [27-Apr-25 03:57 AM] laaxus#0000 if not, Aceland nike are great [27-Apr-25 03:59 AM] pagy1234#0000 hmm, what I was thinking is that if I were to later vertically integrate something, then it would be better to have the planets close to each other, rather than close to the CX [27-Apr-25 04:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't think you want to vertically integrate WEL products [27-Apr-25 04:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, maybe not [27-Apr-25 04:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 Nike is probably best [27-Apr-25 04:02 AM] laaxus#0000 both nike and aceland are great [27-Apr-25 04:10 AM] vanarazor#0000 but you don't take in considertaion the planets settlement there/ most of the construction planets won;t offer that ROI [27-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 wdym? [27-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 oh yeah [27-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 there are no triple green constrution planets in the ant region [27-Apr-25 04:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 even with some red, its still really good [27-Apr-25 04:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 130k/d+ [27-Apr-25 04:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Nike aceland are not that much more expensive than 3 greens [27-Apr-25 04:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah true NIke and Aceland are probably the only cheap construction planets [27-Apr-25 04:12 AM] pagy1234#0000 they both only need SEA, which is about 60-70k for a base [27-Apr-25 04:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 i don;t know I feel like I don't want to build cheap on green planets [27-Apr-25 04:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 repairs are no jokes [27-Apr-25 04:14 AM] pagy1234#0000 yeah lol [27-Apr-25 04:15 AM] pagy1234#0000 my ISA base will need a 1.8mil repair in 43 days D: [27-Apr-25 04:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 yeah tight [27-Apr-25 04:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 you do make 98K gross/d [27-Apr-25 04:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 that 4.214M in 43 d [27-Apr-25 04:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 a little less than hald is for your repairs xD {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [27-Apr-25 04:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 i got 2 permits there, about 100k profit a day [27-Apr-25 04:17 AM] pagy1234#0000 its a little insane, but having the H2O in that system is invaluable [27-Apr-25 04:18 AM] vanarazor#0000 if you say so [27-Apr-25 04:18 AM] pagy1234#0000 moving 3.3k H2O each day costs alot more than just having ISA [27-Apr-25 04:19 AM] pagy1234#0000 instead of ANT <> SE-110a hogging one of my WCB 24/7, I just have a little 700k, 500/500 ship going back and forth [27-Apr-25 04:23 AM] vanarazor#0000 something's up with CAF at the moment [27-Apr-25 05:01 AM] pagy1234#0000 Major lack of production recently [27-Apr-25 08:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 One week left 'till the new MM prices apply! [27-Apr-25 08:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 wait what [27-Apr-25 08:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 I though they were in june D: [27-Apr-25 08:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 nope, may 5th [27-Apr-25 08:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/balancing-changes-to-mms-popi-and-alt-recipes-may-5th-2025/6983 {Embed} https://com.prosperousuniverse.com/t/balancing-changes-to-mms-popi-and-alt-recipes-may-5th-2025/6983 Balancing Changes to MMs, POPI and alt. recipes (May 5th, 2025) Release date We plan to adjust market makers, POPI balancing, and a couple recipes on May 5th, 2025. Changes Marker Makers Based on @lowstrifeโ€™s detailed feedback combined with our own judgement and taking near-future recipe plans into account, weโ€™ll adjust the prices at which market makers buy commodities as follows: ADR: 58000 โ†’ 70000... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/x0Lcv9Tc0WstLZAut1pc9Cply1Z-ZpDJ_X3qJLQ4S_k/https/com.prosperousuniverse.com/uploads/default/original/1X/9637dadda95e302d05ebee320ec8473189637a64.jpg [27-Apr-25 08:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 aww [27-Apr-25 08:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 [27-Apr-25 08:58 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think I mostly understand how the systems overall work, but I'm still not quite sure how to act on them. [27-Apr-25 08:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 If I got it right, I want the happiness to be more then 50%, so they don't degrade. [27-Apr-25 08:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And more then 70% to get migration in. [27-Apr-25 08:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Then ENG and SCI need some programs to grow. [27-Apr-25 09:00 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But if all numbers look fine and no new bases are plopping down, then I just keep everything filled up? Is there a need to pre-build POP counts? [27-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 btw, im not sure many people noticed [27-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 but LIS and WR got changed again [27-Apr-25 09:02 AM] pagy1234#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366051987225051278/Screenshot_2025-04-27_at_10.02.49_PM.png?ex=6814d08d&is=68137f0d&hm=c4441b2835e2beb8e1f948115a9dc0c1c934db55903c610803e24740c32ff5c6& [27-Apr-25 09:03 AM] pagy1234#0000 LIS : 310000 -> 425000 -> 450000 WR : 60000 -> 100000 -> 140000 [27-Apr-25 09:11 AM] laaxus#0000 god damn it [27-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 WR lowkey really good now [27-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pagy1234#0000 like REALLY good [27-Apr-25 09:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @archielvahr how's POP looking on Phobos? Is there any room for 440 TEC and 220 ENG? [27-Apr-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Anyway I commited to log now [27-Apr-25 09:14 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [27-Apr-25 11:35 AM] jab.sh#0000 2 day ROI is crazy [27-Apr-25 11:51 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, 2d roi is good, until you notice that 1 full base of SSC makes about 1.1k a day, more than all CX consumption combined lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [27-Apr-25 11:52 AM] tanda#0000 yeah... lol [27-Apr-25 11:52 AM] tanda#0000 I did that 3 day spike of SSC and I'm still sitting on part of that. And that was... 2 months ago? {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Apr-25 11:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 ngl that TRU base is tempting [27-Apr-25 11:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 everything uses TRU [27-Apr-25 11:52 AM] jab.sh#0000 well, not everything, but CMs do ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Apr-25 11:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 Yeah, i got 3 bases lines up, FP, WEL, and POL, il probably do the WEL right after i finish the FP, its too good right now [27-Apr-25 11:53 AM] tanda#0000 oh that's good, because I'm ditching two bases of WEL [27-Apr-25 11:53 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh damn, howcome? [27-Apr-25 11:54 AM] tanda#0000 my supply lines fell through for MHL, and I can use the permits better in tune with my interests elsewhere [27-Apr-25 11:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 Oh I see [27-Apr-25 11:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 Fair enough [27-Apr-25 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 That's good, because I'm ditching 2 fp based [27-Apr-25 11:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ™ [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 Im only gonna be making DW [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 Aiming for about 3.8k production per day total [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I'm still leaning towards FP and INC in SE-110 but it's so expensive to build there [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] tanda#0000 DW seems to be going slighty back up, so that should be good money [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] tanda#0000 eh, that's nothing for a giant like yourself {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] pagy1234#0000 Put you FP on SE-110a, the COGC is better there [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] jab.sh#0000 I got no money atm ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 Please do, I like my dw to be at a fair price [27-Apr-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 need another CAAP payout then I'll be good [27-Apr-25 11:56 AM] jab.sh#0000 I got 2 more ships, just need the $3.7m in hq upgrades plus the $10.5m in construction costs [27-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 you have 20k INS sitting around Tanda? ๐Ÿ˜› [27-Apr-25 11:58 AM] tanda#0000 at ANT currently? no, but I have 3 bases being picked up from [27-Apr-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 that'll save me like 1.2m [27-Apr-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 I need to get the HQ upgrade going first [27-Apr-25 11:59 AM] tanda#0000 I should have 20k in about 2 days {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-Apr-25 12:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 what do you need 20K ins for?? [27-Apr-25 12:01 PM] tanda#0000 at 5k a planet, a 4 planet plan costs about 20k {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [27-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 multi planet plans sound great [27-Apr-25 12:02 PM] pagy1234#0000 too bad im broke [27-Apr-25 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Until you look at the bill [27-Apr-25 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 Investing one planet at a Time gรฉnรฉrates more profit anyway [27-Apr-25 12:03 PM] pagy1234#0000 yeah fair [27-Apr-25 12:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah I guess I could sell water for a while [27-Apr-25 12:04 PM] pagy1234#0000 what should i make on phobos, HER isnt cutting it anymore [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't know any low roi Electronic base [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Maybe look at clr for ncs ? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 That's what I used to do [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] bishopsix#0000 I'd love the multi planet plan to work but [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] laaxus#0000 Very low shipping requirement [27-Apr-25 12:05 PM] bishopsix#0000 seems like I gotta distribute bases [27-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 I get cheap C so this is tempting too ๐Ÿคฃ [27-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 so many options [27-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 and I'm not on Phobos yet ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-Apr-25 12:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 and it's triple green [27-Apr-25 12:06 PM] bishopsix#0000 what COG is Phobos [27-Apr-25 12:07 PM] jab.sh#0000 elec [27-Apr-25 12:07 PM] bishopsix#0000 humm [27-Apr-25 12:10 PM] jab.sh#0000 huh /roi says 27d but when I make the plan it says 56d [27-Apr-25 12:11 PM] jab.sh#0000 added experts - now it says 37 [27-Apr-25 12:11 PM] laaxus#0000 Look at global constant Price ? [27-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 under https://prunplanner.org/cx ? no overrides {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/cx PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [27-Apr-25 12:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 just buy at buy and sell at sell [27-Apr-25 12:33 PM] laaxus#0000 oh wow {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366105056335757344/image.png?ex=681501fa&is=6813b07a&hm=dd2871f7aab48c634cfdfd12d8f722f8908f0ff3523d324c148b2a2cc135864e& [27-Apr-25 12:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yup - MEA and FIM demand fell, so DDT demand falls and CL follows I suppose [27-Apr-25 12:35 PM] laaxus#0000 it's incredible how just changing MM had such an impact [27-Apr-25 12:35 PM] realharvey#0000 I still remember a time where you said there cant be enough CL production [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 it's still very good atm [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] jcheung#0000 this sharp of a decline means that people start dumping LABs and then we see it spike again soonโ„ข๏ธ [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 maybe not for older players looking for high profit / d [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 but that's fine [27-Apr-25 12:36 PM] jab.sh#0000 and the change isn't even live [27-Apr-25 12:38 PM] razenpok#0000 There's still an endless demand for EPO, so it should be fine [27-Apr-25 12:38 PM] laaxus#0000 if price continue to drop, I might start buying my CL out of the CX [27-Apr-25 12:39 PM] tanda#0000 there can't, I'm going to eat it all in EPO [27-Apr-25 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 wow that didn't take long {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366106821374382090/image.png?ex=6815039f&is=6813b21f&hm=4070d30a28f333af69c41c98316be6ae8954b0d4f7434fb5ee6eaedbd7992d25& [27-Apr-25 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 even when considering selling into the very last bid (3400/u) it still has a roi of 13d, which shows how stupidly op it used to be [27-Apr-25 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366107144499232768/image.png?ex=681503ec&is=6813b26c&hm=f1c9a726492ce7cf9f9407973a4469497bead6dda23928ba25d3bdcdafeb3f90& [27-Apr-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 anyway, older player will start to ditch their CL bases and price will correct itself [27-Apr-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm not worried [27-Apr-25 12:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s just one of those bases that has a good ROI but thereโ€™s better options if you have more cash, so it seems like people start with CHP and then grow into LABs or other bases [27-Apr-25 12:44 PM] laaxus#0000 exactly, same as pp1 [27-Apr-25 12:44 PM] laaxus#0000 good for starting players, bad for older bigger ones [27-Apr-25 12:45 PM] tanda#0000 thanks for pointing out the complete lack of bids there, lol [27-Apr-25 12:46 PM] laaxus#0000 wdym 3000/u [27-Apr-25 12:47 PM] tanda#0000 controlling for that CL price, the base still has a 14 day ROI [27-Apr-25 12:47 PM] tanda#0000 it'll last until I need the cash, so maybe I'll get some hits [27-Apr-25 12:48 PM] laaxus#0000 understandable [27-Apr-25 12:49 PM] tanda#0000 though, honestly, I don't think I've ever seen it that low, and the 180 day is showing that this current price 3700/unit is "market normal" [27-Apr-25 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think it was this low over a year ago [27-Apr-25 12:50 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think it was selling at 3200 when I started my 3rd ever base on Griff [27-Apr-25 12:50 PM] laaxus#0000 it's ok, worst come to worst, I can control prices through leased bases [27-Apr-25 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 my demand will only increase, btw. I have no plans to drop CHP bases for CL production [27-Apr-25 12:52 PM] sidepipe#0000 Imo right now is the perfect time to drop CL bases because other folks will be getting rid of theirs ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 12:53 PM] tanda#0000 you're probably right, but I don't want that shipping issue yet [27-Apr-25 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's valid tbh [27-Apr-25 01:01 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'm still trying to figure out if I should slow down on DDT production or just keep it and try to outlast everyone else [27-Apr-25 01:02 PM] bigtoot#0000 Hope so. I just started mine Maybe this will drive HAL down too [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 it's never a bad time to build a CL base ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] sidepipe#0000 they're consistenly profitable [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 HAL has a correct price I believe [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] bigtoot#0000 EPO is in my future [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] bigtoot#0000 But if it goes cheaper ill stock up [27-Apr-25 01:03 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm kinda controlling the price [27-Apr-25 01:04 PM] laaxus#0000 I don't think the price will go lower than 270/u anytime soon [27-Apr-25 05:12 PM] igfloz#0000 Well, I think I'm just gonna start bringing bases down - gonna take a while to bring everything back to the CX [27-Apr-25 05:25 PM] vanarazor#0000 this snowball took weeks to build up but now is going very fast downhill, eh ? [27-Apr-25 05:30 PM] igfloz#0000 It's kinda a realisation that I didn't think was coming to be honest. I did compare the different levels of licence - but failed to understand the amount of problems I would experience {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ข [27-Apr-25 05:39 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366182024980725860/image.png?ex=6814a0e9&is=68134f69&hm=6273ba936aff1e14c66252aa7f62370f9b2ed51511a2c66fb682422b869065f5& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜… (2) [27-Apr-25 05:40 PM] marat_sh#0000 I feel bad for people who just got on DDT bubble [27-Apr-25 05:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, I wonder if weโ€™ll go back to having one major supplier in ANT [27-Apr-25 05:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 if we crash it hard enough maybe ๐Ÿ˜… [27-Apr-25 05:44 PM] marat_sh#0000 thinking about doing it to TCL ๐Ÿ™ˆ [27-Apr-25 05:45 PM] marat_sh#0000 if only we had options trading ๐Ÿ“ˆ [27-Apr-25 06:46 PM] potaterror#0000 Can always just demolish the production buildings, warehouse the consumables, and log in once a month for a while to see if they address any of your complaints. [27-Apr-25 09:22 PM] vanarazor#0000 imagine a parallel universe where MEA did not crash : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366238148178219028/image.png?ex=6814d52e&is=681383ae&hm=9c4637c0ccd5eb37f1e936881a9828fa6a8895ac3d4bb72170f3265395cdb7a0& [27-Apr-25 09:36 PM] tanda#0000 you mean a universe of constant doubling down on IDC to the point the game's economy revolved way more around it? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (4) [27-Apr-25 09:57 PM] vanarazor#0000 nah don't get me wrong I understand theses are healthy changes for the greater good !!! But as this graph demonstrates it, I was not aware of it's consequences [27-Apr-25 09:58 PM] vanarazor#0000 this uncomfortable pill to swallow was none the less a valuable lesson ( which I am probably not fully understanding yet ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  ) [27-Apr-25 09:59 PM] vanarazor#0000 on a more serious note, please don't let me a part of a government anymore , I probably have been the most useless member of parliament ever {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ (2) [27-Apr-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 The good news is you still came out way better than you got into that market at [27-Apr-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I do almost nothing as an MP, lol [27-Apr-25 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 As a gov, though? Yeah [27-Apr-25 10:00 PM] vanarazor#0000 you are talking about my most elegant quick panic sell in date [27-Apr-25 10:03 PM] vanarazor#0000 and at the moment I can appreciate my longest hold, it's been 3 days ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿซ  : {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366248530867654698/image.png?ex=6814ded9&is=68138d59&hm=606370f8cc95d3f4e8d416f043817e0dca5fbc485293cb2c17f601b2921cbf0d& [27-Apr-25 11:18 PM] zillatron#0000 If Iโ€™m understanding whatโ€™s happened right, I suspect the lesson is โ€˜diversification is your friendโ€™ ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐ŸŒˆ [29-Apr-25 06:11 AM] pagy1234#0000 prunplannet tweaking {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1366733640423182439/Screenshot_2025-04-29_at_7.10.40_PM.png?ex=6814a864&is=681356e4&hm=137add09276c87e03373109bd17e41b039cb80b1c4722375971113b7fb2ae23d& [29-Apr-25 06:51 AM] evov#0000 I wonder if PrunPlannet is expecting someone to actually buy all that JUI from you. {Reactions} โค๏ธ ๐Ÿ‰ ๐ŸŒˆ [29-Apr-25 07:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 PrunPlanner is only showing the numbers. The thinking has to be done by the one looking at the numbers [29-Apr-25 07:28 AM] vanarazor#0000 I think he s talking about the fact that tabs are half cut ->"/n" /resolution /
style*.. on the other hand how great would that be that JUI would actually have an audience ? [29-Apr-25 07:36 AM] realharvey#0000 If there'd be a market for jui no one would pay that much for it. When looking at a production chain I always check how much money I'd save by producing it myself. If that revenue is 150k+ per day I'll make it myself lol {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [29-Apr-25 08:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sounds like a solid strategy [29-Apr-25 08:17 AM] tanda#0000 that MED is looking pretty tempting, ngl [29-Apr-25 10:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 nah nah, I am talking about the jui [29-Apr-25 10:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 but i have no idea how the profit is even close to taht [29-Apr-25 10:54 AM] pagy1234#0000 considering they aret selling for that kind of exorborant price [29-Apr-25 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 This is where prunplanner can get you in trouble: It goes off currently listed asks and bids [29-Apr-25 07:58 PM] jcheung#0000 prunplanner is... [29-Apr-25 07:58 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bcCX3.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/guidelines-theyre-like-guidelines-shout-angry-gif-15363717 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aGVB2dRhwYPb7ekDCyPLduCKy8T1K5BuyaGJCuwgoKk/https/media.tenor.com/W4-xxWL5XEIAAAAe/guidelines-theyre-like-guidelines.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Apr-25 08:08 PM] jab.sh#0000 it would be cool if it could go off of twap instead [30-Apr-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 [30-Apr-25 02:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 forwarding this here too for some more visibility [30-Apr-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 i'd say 50k is the MINIMUM I would build a base for {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 that's what I'm paying for my leased base [30-Apr-25 02:11 PM] laaxus#0000 70-80k is acceptable, but I'm aiming for 100k+ [30-Apr-25 02:13 PM] realharvey#0000 I do believe 85k-95k profit per day is the new middle ground everything below that is underperforming and everything above that is good to very good {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 02:33 PM] jab.sh#0000 as a practical example - I set up ALO on Deimos and prunplanner says I'll make 500/day so I'm selling it at 100/u. is that too cheap? ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Apr-25 02:34 PM] jcheung#0000 What does it say the profit is [30-Apr-25 02:40 PM] laaxus#0000 always talk in base profit / d [30-Apr-25 02:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. Generally. Sometimes other stuff is useful [30-Apr-25 02:52 PM] jab.sh#0000 well that's 50k revenue/day [30-Apr-25 02:53 PM] jab.sh#0000 profit is obviously going to be less [30-Apr-25 02:54 PM] jvaler#0000 yes that's too cheap for ALO [30-Apr-25 02:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 ALO on the CX is at 150 but it was as low as 105 a few weeks ago [30-Apr-25 02:55 PM] jvaler#0000 but ALO has always been undervalued afaik so [30-Apr-25 02:56 PM] jab.sh#0000 FINPR says that base is 55k/day profit (and it's only at 391 ALO/day), but then my RAT/DW comes from AFC, BSE comes from DNPC, so I get those for under market prices. [30-Apr-25 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 oh wait [30-Apr-25 02:56 PM] laaxus#0000 we were talking about profit [30-Apr-25 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 50k PROFIT minimum {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 02:57 PM] laaxus#0000 you should be looking for 80k 100k **PROFIT** [30-Apr-25 02:57 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah - lots of people want it, but no-one seems to want to pay a "good" price for it lol .....but that could be said for most ores imo [30-Apr-25 02:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 3 of these bases are brand new (0-2 experts) and most of them are project bases, so I don't actually sell the outputs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367228530294919299/screenshot_20250430135724.png?ex=68147b0b&is=6813298b&hm=b4e37a86ec693a1dbb732437d73a215fdaa069eccd532345bb1856327f884e7f& [30-Apr-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 so calculating actual profit is tricky [30-Apr-25 02:59 PM] jab.sh#0000 or at least not straightforward [30-Apr-25 03:00 PM] igfloz#0000 have you set your buy and sell prices in prunplanner ? [30-Apr-25 03:00 PM] jab.sh#0000 no [30-Apr-25 03:01 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367229402475401246/image.png?ex=68147bdb&is=68132a5b&hm=c119973f64536901d813794745c0c2b0f29f4307fd4245827e9fdfe7e2ec447d& [30-Apr-25 03:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 I mean yeah I set that [30-Apr-25 03:01 PM] jab.sh#0000 but I don't have any commodity overrides [30-Apr-25 03:02 PM] igfloz#0000 err... so i have a prun plan for Nascent (ALO) - and that only shows 47K profit / 63K revenue [30-Apr-25 03:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 0 experts? [30-Apr-25 03:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 but like I said earlier - my RAT/DW comes from AFC, BSE comes from DNPC, so those are below market rate [30-Apr-25 03:04 PM] jab.sh#0000 so my revenue across the board is a bit higher than what FINPR says [30-Apr-25 03:04 PM] igfloz#0000 no, that was with 2 experts - jumps to 60K profit / 76K revenue / 11.24 days ROI with 5 experts {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 03:06 PM] jab.sh#0000 Deimos is at 0 experts (it hasn't even finished one order yet) [30-Apr-25 03:11 PM] igfloz#0000 How many EXT did you put down ? [30-Apr-25 03:11 PM] igfloz#0000 should be able to get 14 I think [30-Apr-25 03:12 PM] jab.sh#0000 14 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [30-Apr-25 03:15 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I get 42K profit if I throw a test Deimos ALO base up (5 experts) - which is why I set up on Nascent - I know what you already do on Nascent, so I get it ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Apr-25 03:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 prunplanner says 42k but rprun says 55k? [30-Apr-25 03:15 PM] jab.sh#0000 interesting [30-Apr-25 03:16 PM] jab.sh#0000 hm? I don't do anything on Nascent [30-Apr-25 03:16 PM] igfloz#0000 oh - wait, my bad , lol you did LST on Nike right ? not Nascent [30-Apr-25 03:18 PM] getonthetrain#0000 just take the ALO to other CX's, you can get like 200/u anywhere else [30-Apr-25 03:20 PM] jab.sh#0000 yeah [30-Apr-25 03:48 PM] igfloz#0000 @pagy1234 Bad news for you on Deimos ๐Ÿ˜ฆ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367241301816512653/image.png?ex=681486f0&is=68133570&hm=767b3406523abcb64c7af1aaabb0149069eedd70231be90ce141ecd4c85ec511& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ (2) [30-Apr-25 03:49 PM] igfloz#0000 Our plan to collaborate and hand over a plot is not going to work I fear [30-Apr-25 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Gotta move fast for those [30-Apr-25 10:00 PM] pagy1234#0000 Wth happened๐Ÿ˜ญ [30-Apr-25 10:01 PM] pagy1234#0000 Deimos fluctuates alot but last time it was at doubke digits was like a month ago [30-Apr-25 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 that's going to be new people [30-Apr-25 11:34 PM] finestone#0000 I wouldn't sell under BID but anything under 21 day ROI is acceptable IMO. [30-Apr-25 11:35 PM] jab.sh#0000 what about as an internal price [30-Apr-25 11:36 PM] finestone#0000 like as an Internal offering for ADI? [30-Apr-25 11:37 PM] finestone#0000 I would just put it at like 115 as Bids at 118 and just adjust it every couple weeks [30-Apr-25 11:37 PM] finestone#0000 If you are taking about a specific person depends how much business you are doing with them that isnt ALO [30-Apr-25 11:41 PM] finestone#0000 100/u seems like a fine ROI though its just you may be enriching others at your own expense when you sell below BID [30-Apr-25 11:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 maybe I'm just too generous ๐Ÿคท [30-Apr-25 11:45 PM] jab.sh#0000 they're not buying 100% output though so I will be able to sell some on the cx [30-Apr-25 11:56 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/empire-i-got-you-brothers-lucious-terrence-howard-gif-4652933 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/empire-i-got-you-brothers-lucious-terrence-howard-gif-4652933 Empire's got your back https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KUnDrkDm7VntaC2lJbvx-VNq8SUEQmw2N9-Q1YcoPj8/https/media.tenor.com/eB9l0Cl8Fa8AAAAe/empire-i-got-you.png [30-Apr-25 11:56 PM] finestone#0000 Tis just a game ๐Ÿคท Do what you want as long as your still making money {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (3) [01-May-25 03:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 Dude CL is in freefall [01-May-25 03:04 AM] vanarazor#0000 EPO is tanking too thanks to _Amp partner_ [01-May-25 03:09 AM] vanarazor#0000 Rfabs RBH & RSE are coming down while RDE is going up ( probably due to textile NL and KV (which uses CL..) and RTA is not seeing much volume [01-May-25 03:10 AM] laaxus#0000 yep the entire universe market is reconfiguring [01-May-25 03:12 AM] vanarazor#0000 well HAL EXT base can provide to 3 CL-NA CHP base [01-May-25 03:13 AM] vanarazor#0000 which can feed 3 EPO base.. [01-May-25 03:14 AM] vanarazor#0000 I don;t think I can impact the universe market that much but I did contribute ... ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [01-May-25 03:15 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not just you [01-May-25 03:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Antares market is seeing major changes [01-May-25 03:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 we need a gazette about economics of the Prosperous universe [01-May-25 03:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 that gives information about the number of active players monthly [01-May-25 03:16 AM] vanarazor#0000 and how big are theses players [01-May-25 03:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 that could allow us to interpret better [01-May-25 03:17 AM] vanarazor#0000 what if a 3 big players left and they had 30+ bases, that;s literally 90+ base that the universe market loses [01-May-25 03:18 AM] vanarazor#0000 as an investor in this market I 'd pay to have this information from a reliable source [01-May-25 03:20 AM] laaxus#0000 best we have is economic reports [01-May-25 03:21 AM] vanarazor#0000 where can I consult theses reports? [01-May-25 03:21 AM] laaxus#0000 on the forum somewhere, can't give you a link [01-May-25 03:22 AM] laaxus#0000 try to look for "report" on this discord and the official one [01-May-25 05:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The problem with that is, that we (players) simply donโ€™t have that information. All we have is FIO and what we can guess out of that [01-May-25 05:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But many players are reconfiguring multiple permits to adjust to the new MM prices. Thatโ€™s something we canโ€™t predict and will need to wait how the markets react [01-May-25 08:31 AM] jcheung#0000 Not only that [01-May-25 08:32 AM] jcheung#0000 You have several large players just dropping out at the same time {Reactions} true [01-May-25 09:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That adds to itโ€ฆ [01-May-25 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, just with fire leaving, the amount of money printed went down quite a lot [01-May-25 09:05 AM] laaxus#0000 so yes, I believe we will have deflation [01-May-25 09:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But deflation in this game will mostly mean lower prices, wonโ€™t it? [01-May-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 lower prices means lower profit / d [01-May-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 lower profit / d means lower price [01-May-25 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 they're equivalent [01-May-25 09:10 AM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't count on that [01-May-25 09:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sure, I just wanted to say, that inflation and deflation isnโ€™t really affecting gameplay that much, except maybe the early game [01-May-25 09:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Certainly [01-May-25 10:11 AM] pxlfox.#0000 @laaxus I think I'm going to disband my coorp for now and revive it later as a part of ADI. I really want that [ADI] tag... [01-May-25 10:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And I have to setup a base on Heph... don't know what, tbh [01-May-25 10:12 AM] laaxus#0000 That ADI tag is dope [01-May-25 10:12 AM] laaxus#0000 Ping me when you're ready to join [01-May-25 10:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 just throw a WPL base on Heph, its cheap and low logistics since making NL only needs PG [01-May-25 10:13 AM] getonthetrain#0000 can change it up later if needed [01-May-25 10:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah, WPL is a safe bet [01-May-25 10:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 how do I leave a coorp? [01-May-25 10:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 found it [01-May-25 10:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ok, ready @laaxus [01-May-25 10:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I had a WPL on Astraeus at some point [01-May-25 10:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Welcome to the ADI (again) ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [01-May-25 10:18 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I hope the ADI tag will have at some point the same reputation as the OOG tag [01-May-25 10:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 or an even higher one [01-May-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 It'll be hard to Beat OOG [01-May-25 10:19 AM] laaxus#0000 It's a marathon but I'm all for it [01-May-25 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 I hope for CULT to join one day as well but I'm probably hoping for too much [01-May-25 10:21 AM] pxlfox.#0000 ~~CULT and ADI should join imo - they are basically two sides of the same idea~~ [01-May-25 10:25 AM] laaxus#0000 I'm not one to Say what they should do [01-May-25 10:34 AM] bishopsix#0000 What does the OOG tag have? [01-May-25 10:39 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It's the tag of the OOG Capital Managment Corp: https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/ {Embed} https://oogcapitalmanagement.com/ OOG Capital Management | OOG Capital Management OOG works to ensure the stability and growth of Antares, while spearheading governance training, shipbuilding, and planetary and regional development. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hiivP5cQuGcN5YAYcXAZ5Xbe3mBuCboUTM6cXdvWudM/https/oogcapitalmanagement.com/images/OOGOpenGraph.png [01-May-25 10:39 AM] laaxus#0000 The biggest Corporation in the universe [01-May-25 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 it kinda already does imo we're way bigger than them member count wise, and we're more visible in our operations [01-May-25 10:41 AM] jvaler#0000 as in like the grant program vs governance in the background [01-May-25 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 ADI the organisation, yes [01-May-25 10:41 AM] laaxus#0000 ADI, the in game corporation, well it have to start somewhere [01-May-25 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 i mean it represents the same thing, no? [01-May-25 10:42 AM] jvaler#0000 ADI has existing reputation, so the new ingame corp will just inherit that {Reactions} true [01-May-25 10:43 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Would love to see more ADI member joining the in-game corp, tho ๐Ÿ˜… [01-May-25 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It's just a handful now [01-May-25 10:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And OOG is more or less in every parlament of the region [01-May-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 OOG thing is politics so no surprise [01-May-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 However I'd love more ADI tag in top lead [01-May-25 10:45 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367527450959020152/image.png?ex=6814e8af&is=6813972f&hm=28057db4e548c12aad078c7b7095c342e73f1ed9cb478e9d24a19f8347fa4e63& [01-May-25 10:46 AM] jvaler#0000 also CULT is just an hq corp, it is also just ADI [01-May-25 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 speaking of can i get an invite? i'm not actually making MGS for PPP anymore lol [01-May-25 10:49 AM] jvaler#0000 @laaxus [01-May-25 10:53 AM] manhim#0000 Could I get an invite into CULT? [01-May-25 10:54 AM] jvaler#0000 i just left lol @tanda ? [01-May-25 10:54 AM] bishopsix#0000 Laaxus gave me 10000 mil for joining ADI, don't waste time, join up!! {Reactions} ๐Ÿงข (3) [01-May-25 10:55 AM] jvaler#0000 fact checked by real antarian patriots: true โœ… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ (4) [01-May-25 10:56 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Laaxus gave me 1 LIO which he swears is worth 10,000,000 AIC {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ (3) [01-May-25 10:56 AM] manhim#0000 Highest quality LIO [01-May-25 10:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 You know - if you canโ€™t beat them, you could always join them ๐Ÿ˜ [01-May-25 10:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I kinda don't like, that Hephaestus (god of fire, metalworking and blacksmithing) is a manufacturing planet, not a metallurgy one [01-May-25 10:59 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Blacksmiths work the metal into useable goods, thats manufacturing [01-May-25 10:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah... I know [01-May-25 10:59 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The greeks hadn't had plastics and CAD machines, I guess ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [01-May-25 11:10 AM] laaxus#0000 LMAO [01-May-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 you know what ? [01-May-25 11:11 AM] laaxus#0000 from now on, i'll give 1 LIO to each member that join the corporation {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-May-25 11:11 AM] getonthetrain#0000 lol [01-May-25 11:12 AM] shipyards#0000 lmao thats so useful [01-May-25 11:14 AM] laaxus#0000 What else should be in the ADI welcome pack ? [01-May-25 11:15 AM] jvaler#0000 1 JUI {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 11:15 AM] jvaler#0000 archiel lives in antares after all [01-May-25 11:15 AM] realharvey#0000 What about some KOM [01-May-25 11:16 AM] jvaler#0000 wait the ADI HQ is on origo?? that's just CULT [01-May-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 no it's hephaestus ? [01-May-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I MOVED IT THERE [01-May-25 11:16 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367535175210106960/image.png?ex=6814efe1&is=68139e61&hm=d031bb3537b0b01fc0a5fa2c868745b1ca9fa041da52e66605597acb84e2ae79& [01-May-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 oh god, I thought it changed by itself again {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-May-25 11:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I think it's bugged [01-May-25 11:17 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367535358467903579/image.png?ex=6814f00d&is=68139e8d&hm=5f465f91675c4a7f2032dc4d42663166797c39444c0dc3468615bb8d9964a263& [01-May-25 11:17 AM] jvaler#0000 ya it's just copying what it was in CULT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367535372128620686/image.png?ex=6814f010&is=68139e90&hm=2875181ceb26971f51b05f18688bf8eeda468bde080adf8090ffd99dcbac61fa& [01-May-25 11:19 AM] laaxus#0000 @archielvahr how much would it cost me to buy 100 JUI ? [01-May-25 11:24 AM] loans_13178#0000 How do you get the ADI tag? [01-May-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 by joining the adi corporation [01-May-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 do you want to ? [01-May-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 wait [01-May-25 11:25 AM] laaxus#0000 aren't you already in ? [01-May-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 ah no you aren't [01-May-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 let me invite you [01-May-25 11:26 AM] loans_13178#0000 I'm not apart of any corporations [01-May-25 11:26 AM] loans_13178#0000 I have been all alone [01-May-25 11:26 AM] loans_13178#0000 in space [01-May-25 11:26 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/portals-portal-space-gif-4741395 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/portals-portal-space-gif-4741395 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/imIXALcdfUFsQG4aGX8qTiaCc5oAcfRIWOpQKJy3RLI/https/media.tenor.com/uv2WQ3HylPkAAAAe/portals-portal.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† (5) [01-May-25 11:28 AM] loans_13178#0000 I am no longer alone!! [01-May-25 11:28 AM] laaxus#0000 don't forget to update your discord name with the glorious ADI tag [01-May-25 11:29 AM] loans_13178#0000 So like this? [01-May-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 nice ! [01-May-25 11:29 AM] laaxus#0000 One of us ! [01-May-25 11:31 AM] loans_13178#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367538898636378293/Untitled.jpeg?ex=6814f359&is=6813a1d9&hm=0e669d643df5ea6770ff7200412982b6b147e7148a4329e1dff41b7ed62d19c3& [01-May-25 11:32 AM] bishopsix#0000 Welcome! [01-May-25 11:54 AM] jab.sh#0000 if I make a corp for myself do I get a 10% bonus on whatever planet I put it on? [01-May-25 11:55 AM] realharvey#0000 yes but you cant put it on starter planets [01-May-25 11:58 AM] jab.sh#0000 why didn't I do this... a year ago lmao [01-May-25 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 don't you also have to build a hq? [01-May-25 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 or is that free [01-May-25 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 some starter planets* [01-May-25 11:59 AM] jcheung#0000 i can't remember which, but at least one allows it [01-May-25 11:59 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s not free [01-May-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 invite me @laaxus [01-May-25 11:59 AM] jab.sh#0000 my heph base is for a co-op but ๐Ÿคท more buffers I guess lol [01-May-25 12:02 PM] jab.sh#0000 looks like I can put it on deimos [01-May-25 12:02 PM] laaxus#0000 no, but actually yes [01-May-25 12:14 PM] jab.sh#0000 hey where's my LIO [01-May-25 12:17 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll give it when I settled on what the welcome pack is going to be {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 for now it's one LIO and one JUI (potentially) [01-May-25 12:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 I don't actually have any JUI made it seems, but I can hook you up with HEX! [01-May-25 12:19 PM] archielvahr#0000 I apparently have a bit of CST, so I guess I was planning on making some JUI [01-May-25 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 oh sweet, I have a lab base so I can make that jui myself [01-May-25 12:21 PM] laaxus#0000 how much would it be for 50 hex and 25 cst ? [01-May-25 12:24 PM] archielvahr#0000 Uhh, 150k? [01-May-25 12:24 PM] archielvahr#0000 I can throw in BL also for 5k/u [01-May-25 12:26 PM] laaxus#0000 oh that cheap ? do you have the stock for double that amount ? [01-May-25 12:26 PM] jab.sh#0000 how much JUI are you making ๐Ÿ˜‚ [01-May-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 300 Enough for a lifetime [01-May-25 12:27 PM] laaxus#0000 Also I want to be on top of that leaderboard {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367553101883510784/image.png?ex=68150093&is=6813af13&hm=36e81bd4a50269f45f01aa39d90047d0b1f4c0190746a7e08742abea630ed796& [01-May-25 12:28 PM] archielvahr#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [01-May-25 12:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 I have 30 CST. that's the limiter. I have 400 HEX on ANT and 100 BL [01-May-25 12:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 Those are my "just for funsies" prices, heh [01-May-25 12:29 PM] archielvahr#0000 otherwise the BL is more like 9k [01-May-25 12:31 PM] jab.sh#0000 is there just no BL production or are there no good planets with high gravity [01-May-25 12:32 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd gladly buy 100 hex, 50 bl, your 30 cst at whatever price you want [01-May-25 12:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 `100*2000+ 30*2000 + 50*8000 = 660,000` sound good? [01-May-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Can't believe I'm gonna spend 700k for JUI {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† (2) [01-May-25 12:36 PM] laaxus#0000 Sounds good, I'll send the cont in 2h or so {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 theres a bunch of jui on IC1 [01-May-25 12:37 PM] pagy1234#0000 for 30k/u [01-May-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 ๐Ÿคฎ [01-May-25 12:43 PM] laaxus#0000 I prefer my Antarean supplyer [01-May-25 12:46 PM] pagy1234#0000 Ant produce = best quality [01-May-25 12:55 PM] mevnav#0000 Sup, I'm gonna COLIQ soon from my start in Moria and relocate to Antares. Any profession you guys would recommend picking, anything there's a shortage of or particularly profitable maybe? Or should I just pick whatever. [01-May-25 12:55 PM] mevnav#0000 I picked constructor back in Moria and could just do that again. [01-May-25 12:56 PM] bishopsix#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367560220863107213/raw.png?ex=68150734&is=6813b5b4&hm=d3ec1ecade9f16bda56cb90e5a7696adcd8d60efe6615d9b3e19b05e42a70dc3& [01-May-25 12:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd recommend Metallurgist on deimos {Reactions} โ˜๏ธ [01-May-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 the other start would be victualler on harmonia [01-May-25 12:57 PM] laaxus#0000 other starts are less strong [01-May-25 12:58 PM] bishopsix#0000 I went with the Aluminum Alliance on Deimos and I don't regret it [01-May-25 12:58 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/f3v_M11SYXiSIpyekxq8lBbI-CeCrwMAbeh8xsGK_OI/https/media.tenor.com/iDYg-7xD7M4AAAAe/burning-office-spongebob.png [01-May-25 01:00 PM] laaxus#0000 As for LFabs RFabs ... it's not a market I'd recommend right now [01-May-25 01:01 PM] mevnav#0000 Awesome, figured you guys would have a good idea of where to start [01-May-25 01:24 PM] jab.sh#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi is a good resource to look at as well {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [01-May-25 01:26 PM] mevnav#0000 I looked at PRUNplanner a bit but I didn't see this ROI tool {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 01:28 PM] jab.sh#0000 please do a little research (or ask questions here) before you just jump on the top ones ๐Ÿ˜„ a lot of the top ones have no market liquidity (either for inputs or outputs or both) or very high shipping requirements. also you probably want to target a base that's around $1M or less [01-May-25 01:49 PM] mevnav#0000 So basically instead of jumping into making Medium STL Fuel Tank Kits I'd want to focus on making something with higher market velocity, like aluminum or lithium {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-May-25 01:50 PM] igfloz#0000 LIO / LI can be slow too - although I will be dumping LIO on the CX soon [01-May-25 01:51 PM] laaxus#0000 more than liquidity, you should take a look at how much the market can buy {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [01-May-25 01:51 PM] laaxus#0000 I doubt the market can eat one entire base of LI [01-May-25 01:52 PM] mevnav#0000 Right, I don't wanna spend all my money making something that nobody wants to buy, or I can't get ahold of the materials for [01-May-25 01:52 PM] laaxus#0000 for your first base, you want something that make money and will always make money [01-May-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 once you have a stable income, and a better understand of the game and the market, then you could go to more unstable mat [01-May-25 01:53 PM] mevnav#0000 Since Deimos is an an ALO planet, probably aluminum [01-May-25 01:53 PM] igfloz#0000 Deimos as a starter is good because you could extract ALO & O and smelt into AL all on 1 planet - the only thing you have to transport is burn items (food / luxuries etc) and export AL. Moving the ores around is hard with starter ships [01-May-25 01:53 PM] laaxus#0000 yeah, my recommendation is a SME base, with ext on deimos to mine your own alo, reducing shipping [01-May-25 01:54 PM] laaxus#0000 that's what I did when I started [01-May-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 I feel like I'm playing backwards [01-May-25 01:54 PM] jab.sh#0000 my first 8? bases were all co-op bases, I'm just now making some of my own bases ๐Ÿ˜† {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [01-May-25 01:55 PM] jab.sh#0000 might be closer to 10 bases, I have 13 now and 3 of them aren't (officially) coop [01-May-25 01:57 PM] bishopsix#0000 I honestly like the AA {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-May-25 01:57 PM] bishopsix#0000 as a concept, its awesome cuz you help people [01-May-25 01:57 PM] jab.sh#0000 exactly [01-May-25 01:58 PM] jab.sh#0000 you all get rich together {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ [01-May-25 01:58 PM] bishopsix#0000 also, what can you do realistically in your first months, not much I mean, I will get a IRL motorcycle permit before I make my 4th base here {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [01-May-25 01:58 PM] bishopsix#0000 and that's okay with me lmao [01-May-25 02:00 PM] loans_13178#0000 me too!!!!! {Reactions} โค๏ธ [01-May-25 02:02 PM] bishopsix#0000 Join us on Deimos, we all build together! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192951755462410271/1367576951283257414/raw.png?ex=681516c9&is=6813c549&hm=701328dc4b3d6b98c738fc98ba3e45e75b8ce14dae587207968dc882eb9264cc& [01-May-25 02:03 PM] jab.sh#0000 Deimos is gonna be at +20 here in a minute [01-May-25 02:03 PM] bishopsix#0000 https://tenor.com/view/warframe-we-all-lift-together-gif-19925077 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/warframe-we-all-lift-together-gif-19925077 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/82zCW6x1t5EVsZbE9HW0_dalbjvrM6o-tm5brQ8bYjc/https/media.tenor.com/annSyLi7-UQAAAAe/warframe-we-all-lift-together.png {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-May-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwy-q01JdqQ {Embed} Fangcrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwy-q01JdqQ Chaos Dwarf Factory Edit I remembered this song existed and realized it would look pretty good here. Song used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W47ByTo1is https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hn7s6m9yYkIIrELG_beAVL65Dj6J0zVsFXgvhP4zjb8/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/Fwy-q01JdqQ/sddefault.jpg {Reactions} โค๏ธ [01-May-25 02:09 PM] laaxus#0000 Deimos be like ============================================================== Exported 13,823 message(s) ==============================================================